3RU7AL

Maybe debt is an essential nonsense....But nonetheless a nonsense.

This thread is looking to discuss whether or not the GOP will retain a populist lean post Trump, or go back to their pro capitalism rhetoric.

victor, make no mistake, this is a real debt.  It's money the US owes but, Congress, Republicans and Democrats alike, don't seem to be concerned about it.  The only time politicians are worried about our debt is when the other Party is in office.  When their own guys are in office, they spend like drunken sailors and put it on the tab.

By "populist" do you mean anti-crony establishment?

By "pro-capitalism" do you mean pro-crony capitalism?

Where God isn't, there is nonexistence.

Just as darkness is not the presence of anything but the rather the absense of light, so is evil not the presence of anything, but rather the absence of good.

What point are you trying to make? That most guns are legally unregistered?

That the states with the most registered guns and the toughest gun permits and confiscation laws also have the highest crime rates?

If you are trying to draw some ham-handed correlation/causation... you are going to have to do a LOT better.

My point? That guns need to be regulated, the purchase of them more specifically - there needs to be more required training, there needs to be required background checks, etc, etc..

The implication is, then, that OPs assumptions and premises are false.

Who is rich enough to lend the rest of the World $280 trillion.

Interestingly the Chinese national debt is $5.5 trillion (approx)....How's that for frugality?

these stimulus checks are not targeted enough and will go to many Americans that are not struggling financially.

but it would be hard-pressed to pin that on just her since that's been the case as far back as the turn of the last century.

Evil is the direct consequence of man choosing darkness over light.

Rather, what I am saying is that it can be true (e.g. it hasn't been ruled out) ergo we cannot simply assume that it is false.

I call them apparently acausal because they have no apparent cause.

Book of Moses, contained in the Pearl of Great Price.

I was really intrigued by Mel Gibson's "Passion of Christ," putting Satan in Gethsemane, and walking along behind the crowd as Jesus carries the cross to Golgotha; not at all biblical concepts. I've been trying to find where the idea of those non-encounters [there really isn't a direct encounter in either scene] came from, but have not yet found it. Regardless, it made me wonder: where else would Satan be during the two events that would best hinder his efforts. I conclude satan would have been nowhere else but those two locations, considering the biblical account of his temptation of Jesus in the wilderness before Jesus even began his ministry.

In conclusion, I can be more sure that "I" exist than the fact that my brain is physical.

3RU7AL, what do you think about "I". As far as science and philosophy have come, there is no explanation for why "I" exist. Without "I" existing, the experience of being alive, my human body and brain would not see any difference. What do you think this "I" is, a soul, atoms, nothing?

seem to use an argument from ignorance to prove that illogical concepts could in fact exist.

The view I hold can comprehend both a logical God and logical randomness.

a practice already ancient in the first century,

My point regarding this topic is that even if a soul exists, it most probably is logical. So the thing all people from all religions and world views should agree on is the idea that everything is logical, nothing happens without a cause.

It is not contradictory to believe in a soul, even if you trust science.

3. In conclusion, my experience clearly points towards a soul, while science clearly points towards my body

2. My experience is that "I" is not the same as my body

1. Science proves that humans are purely physical processes, which would render "I" nonexistent

Faith is necessary anyways, as without faith in reason one cannot be sure about anything.

there are apparently acausal physical phenomena.

And it isn't evident that causality is a thing that exists rather than a perception of the human mind. Or, if it exists, we can never know it, because it requires knowledge of counterfactual histories (e.g. that the effect wouldn't have happened but for the cause).

Logical: The idea that every cause A has an effect B

That no cause stands without effect and vice versa.

The only illogical event would be one that did not have a cause.

1. An illogical argument against logic would be subjective
   

This is not necessarily the case.

"I'm just following orders" didn't work for the Nazis.

https://youtu.be/hn1VxaMEjRU

A soldier doesn't know what evils he fights for, only that he is told that he fights for good.

Would a better command have been to advise slaves to disobey their earthly masters?

God did prohibit slavery, and the bible asserts that it is not possible to own people as property.

"Take your slaves from the nations around you."

As slavery still is today, but to a much lesser degree....Perhaps.

Uh huh, so in other words, it doesn't matter that the bible condones slavery? Because that's what this is about, lets not change the subject here - the Bible condones slavery.

In fact, you should be able to type your own religion. 

People swearing idealistic allegiance to the one being responsible for all the world's suffering

You might have  met people who refer to themselves as satanists....Just another bunch of people with fantasy concepts in their heads.

Although of course, I think at its root their religion is detestable, but religion is one component of many in a person.

Satanism has been around since before Adam.

and all they taught me was postmodernism.