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@Greyparrot
and I believe dividing society in groups harms the country and the human spirit.
How can you call yourself a "libertarian" and yet advocate for UNIFORM UNITY?
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@Greyparrot
Now I believe in the power of the individual to advance in life, I believe big governments [AND GLOBAL MOBSTER CORPORATIONS] are destined to be inefficient,
100% THIS.
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@Greyparrot
I got to see how it did NOT work and created tyranny in which the most affected ones were the poor and vulnerable, the same people SJW claimed to advocate for.
Any purely hierarchical organization will protect those at the top and trample those NOT at the top.
WE MUST DEMAND HOLACRACY +RCV
It doesn't matter if you call that hierarchical organization "government" or "globalist mobster corporation" or "world-wide-religion".
The names don't matter.
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@ethang5
Do you have any objective reason for saying it is wrong?
Yes, it's written in a book.
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@ethang5
And Christians do have an objective standard for what is morally good,
Can you please share this "objective standard" with the public?
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@ethang5
Atheism CAN BE a worldview, and often is.
ATHEISM is a "worldview" in exactly the same way "NOT-Hinduism" is a "worldview".
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@Dr.Franklin
i ageee but the difference is the blame for why everything sucks- far left wants to topple the capitalist system and replace with a socialist one- far right wants to topple social symbols that in their mind lead a society to suicide-, you know drugs, immigration, sexual immorality.
The far-left wants to abandon the CORPORATE-MOBSTER-STATE-CAPITALISM.
Literally nobody wants to "topple" small to mid sized businesses that participate in FAIR-PLAY business practices.
WE MUST DEMAND HOLACRACY + RCV
DRUGS, IMMIGRATION, AND SEX ARE 100% PROTECTED PERSONAL FREEDOM AND PERSONAL PRIVACY (and the very definition of "capitalism").
FREE MOVEMENT OF CAPITAL MUST GO HAND-IN-HAND WITH FREE MOVEMENT OF LABOR. - ADAM SMITH
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@Greyparrot
The "post-modern-vanguard"??
He's acting like all skeptics are mindless worshipers of dead philosophers.
In all seriousness, have you ever met a person who called themselves a "post-modernist"??
What is the "positive" "counter-factual" here?
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@Greyparrot
Ok, thanks, this is interesting.
"Liberal Capitalism"??
"Epistemology has always been far-left"??
None of this makes even the slightest bit of sense.
Libertarian Anarchists are INDIVIDUALISTS.
Libertarian Anarchists (both far-left and far-right) are NOT "collectivists".
This guy is constantly conflating philosophers with philosophy.
Suggesting that "post-modern-skeptics" are "always" the first to fire off ad hominem attacks is absurd.
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@TheUnderdog
I see.
So, in order to fix discrimination.
We must all look exactly the same and have exactly the same name.
Are you a communist?
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@TheUnderdog
I think it should be illegal to spread any harmful disease and the punishment is treatment that you pay for.
Let's say you get sick and go to the hospital and the doctor says you have tuberculosis.
Who do you send to prison?
How do the police investigate this "crime"?
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@Mopac
Before "YHWH" there was "no-thing".
After "YHWH" made everything, there was "good" and "evil".
Who made "evil"?
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@Castin
Do you think "the regulators" and "safety checkers" where the ones who came up with the idea of giving pre-emptive legal immunity to the global corporations just in case their "vaccines" end up "highly-corelated" to any serious "side-effects"?
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@Mopac
misusing those gifts for the sake
Why didn't the "YHWH" use its omniscience to anticipate this "misuse" and take steps to mitigate it in the pre-planning stage?
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@TheUnderdog
I still don't understand why you'd single out just one type of disease.
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@TheUnderdog
How would you criminalize spreading any disease?
Just turn hospitals into prisons.
And make cold-medicine illegal.
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@Mopac
Is "YHWH" both "good" and "evil"?No.
Oh good.
That's a relief.
Who made "evil"?
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@EtrnlVw
A THEIST tries to convince non-believers in order to get them to comply with their particular interpretation of "the rules" (based on their favorite old book).
A DEIST doesn't subscribe to a specific "rule book".
An ATHEIST also doesn't subscribe to a specific "rule book".
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@Mopac
The way of love is to excercise control over yourself.
This sounds perfectly reasonable.
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@Mopac
Is "YHWH" both "good" and "evil"?
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@Mopac
If this is such a moral dilemna for you, perhaps the best thing for your conscience is to simply avoid luxury of frozen treats all together.
Don't you think that morality is "universal"?
Shouldn't I destroy all frozen treats in order to save everyone from the temptation to do evil stuff and to end this horrifying moral scourge once and for all?
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@Mopac
Certainly people can, will, and do choose evil over good.
But I thought you said,
nothing exists apart from God. Wherever there is existence, God is there.
Is "YHWH" both "good" and "evil"?
I mean,
How can we "choose" something that "doesn't exist"?
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@Mopac
God is the source of all power and authority. All energy derives from God. That is what we mean by omnipotent.
It sounds like "YHWH" controls everything.
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@TheUnderdog
If someone gets an STI from sex, they report it to the police and then punishment is administered,
Do you understand that most venereal diseases go UNREPORTED?
Also, why single out venereal diseases?
Wouldn't it make more sense to criminalize ALL disease transmission?
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@fauxlaw
Are there any countries that are more than 400 years old?
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@Mopac
I don't know which flavor of ice cream is the most ethical.
Do you think perhaps that sorbet is somewhat more moral than ice-cream because it does not require animal-cruelty?
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@Theweakeredge
...you really didn't understand the causes of white privilege.
It might be understandably difficult for an Algerian immigrant to the United States (technically African-American) to comprehend how much "white privilege" has personally "advantaged" them.
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@fauxlaw
Socialism is just a failure everywhere tried.
China seems to have deciphered the magic formula for broad economic success.
Do you propose we all copy them now?
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@drafterman
But if he thinks it's perfectly rational but it's not, then what he is saying something other than he intends which is misspeaking.
sO, what you're saying is, "every religious person is just misspeaking"?
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@Castin
Obviously he is referring to monogamous ponies in interracial equine relationships.Where the pony says things like "You're the only horse for me, darling. I'm a one-horse pony."Obviously.
Well stated.
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@Mopac
It is effectively blaming God
Do you believe that "YHWH" is both omnipotent and omniscient?
If you, as a NOT omnipotent and omniscient human being, if you make something that causes injury to others, you can be, well, held legally responsible for that harm, right?
But if "YHWH" makes something that causes injury to others, how do they plead?
Does "YHWH" say, "I'm not responsible because I had good intentions and less-than-perfect execution"?
Do you believe that "YHWH" is both omnipotent and omniscient?
Does "YHWH" say, "I'm not responsible because I didn't know my creation would cause injury to others"?
Does "YHWH" say, "I couldn't have done anything to prevent injury to others"?
(IFF) "freewill" is so "precious" to "YHWH" (THEN) why do they allow criminals to be incarcerated?
(IFF) incarceration works so great (THEN) why doesn't "YHWH" preemptively incarcerate all the baddies?
Do you believe that "YHWH" is both omnipotent and omniscient?
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@Theweakeredge
then that lax-ness they would have gotten otherwise is given to other forms of people.
THE "LAX-NESS" WAS given TO VERY SPECIFIC PEOPLE.
The 1860 census shows that in the states that would soon secede from the Union, an average of more than 32 percent of white families owned enslaved people. [LINK]
In other words, 68% of "white" people living in "confederate states" did NOT own slaves.
This also ignores the 100% of "white" people living in "union states" that also did NOT own slaves.
Using census numbers for the percentage of families who held slaves, the nationwide calculation for the percentage of “families owning slaves,” is 7.4%. [LINK]
sO, in total, of all the "whites" TODAY who had ancestors living in the USA in 1860, 92.6% of "white" families did NOT own any slaves.
Not to mention all the "white" immigrants who poured into the USA AFTER 1860.
The poor Greek, German, Irish, Algerian, Spanish, French, Dutch, Egyptian, Scottish, Italian immigrants who arrived AFTER THE AMERICAN CIVIL WAR ARE NOT "PRIVILEGED".
92.6% OF THE "WHITE" PEOPLE WHO FOUGHT IN THE AMERICAN CIVIL WAR ARE NOT "PRIVILEGED".
I have an idea.
Trace the ancestry of the 7.4% of "white" families who actually owned slaves in 1860.
Gather all the blood-relatives of these visious slave owners and confiscate their bank accounts.
Then, take that lump sum and divide it by the number of people who can trace their family tree back to a great grandparent who was exploited by one of the members of the first group.
Would that "solve" the "problem" of "white privilege"?
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@Greyparrot
When a meritocracy is deemed racist, you are left with systemic mediocrity.
What if a plutocratic kleptocratic corporatist oligarchy is deemed "racist"?
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@Castin
I don't know anyone who trusts global corporations.
Are you telling me you don't know anyone who thinks "the vaccine" (which isn't technically a vaccine) is 100% safe?
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@Mopac
Those could be moral issues, but that isn't really what you were asking.
Every choice you make has an implicit moral component.
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@Mopac
Which flavor of ice cream one prefers is not a moral issue.
What flavor of ice-cream one chooses to eat is 100% a moral issue.
Where was that chocolate grown?
Where was that vanilla processed?
How much child labor was utilized?
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@TheUnderdog
It is not an invasion of privacy as it is a minor restriction people can comply with.
How do you propose enforcing this?
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@Theweakeredge
Weinberg ( 1972 ) labeled these attitudes and behaviors homophobia, which he defined as the dread of being in close quarters with homosexual men and women as well as irrational fear, hatred, and intolerance by heterosexual individuals of homosexual men and women. . . .Although the causes of homophobia are unclear, several psychoanalytic explanations have emerged from the idea of homophobia as an anxiety-based phenomenon. One psychoanalytic explanation is that anxiety about the possibility of being or becoming a homosexual may be a major factor in homophobia. For example, de Kuyper (1993) has asserted that homophobia is the result of the remnants of homosexuality in the heterosexual resolution of the Oedipal conflict. Whereas these notions are vague, psychoanalytic theories usually postulate that homophobia is a result of repressed homosexual urges or a form of latent homosexuality. Latent homosexuality can be defined as homosexual arousal which the individual is either unaware of or dent. Psychoanalysts use the concept of repressed or latent homosexuality to explain the emotional malaise and irrational attitudes displayed by some individuals who feel guilty about their erotic interests and struggle to deny and repress homosexual impulses. In fact, West stated, 'when placed in a situation that threatens to excite their own unwanted homosexual thoughts, they overreact with panic or anger." Slaby ( 1994 ) contended that anxiety about homosexuality typically does not occur in individuals who are same-sex oriented, but it usually involves individuals who are ostensibly heterosexual and have difficulty integrating their homosexual feelings or activity.
Specifically, the present study was designed to investigate whether homophobic men show more sexual arousal to homosexual cues than nonhomophobic men as suggested by psychoanalytic theory. . . .
The results of this study indicate that individuals who score in the homophobic range and admit negative affect toward homosexuality demonstrate significant sexual arousal to male homosexual erotic stimuli. These individuals were selected on the basis of their report of having only heterosexual arousal and experiences. Furthermore, their ratings of erection and arousal to homosexual stimuli were low and not significantly different from nonhomophobic men who demonstrated no significant increase in penile response to homosexual stimuli. These data are consistent with response discordance where verbal judgments are not consistent with physiological reactivity, as in the case of homophobic individuals viewing homosexual stimuli. Lang (1994 ) has noted that the most dramatic response discordance occurs with reports of feeling and physiologic responses. Another possible explanation is found in various psychoanalytic theories, which have generally explained homophobia as a threat to an individual's own homosexual impulses causing repression, denial, or reaction formation (or all three; West, 1977 ). Generally, these varied explanations conceive of homophobia as one type of latent homosexuality where persons either are unaware of or deny their homosexual urges. These data are consistent with these notions. [LINK]
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@EtrnlVw
Joscha Bach is the only person I've heard speak that I can't find a way to disagree with.
I have no problem calling myself a DEIST.
And I like to point out that DEISM is functionally indistinguishable from ATHEISM.
I also call myself a TAOIST and a GNOSTIC.
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@Theweakeredge
it is true that systematically this happens.
It is true that HISTORICALLY, laws and public policy have created skin-tone based INCOME DISPARITY which persists to the present day.
I agree 100% that generational wealth and the associated advantages of generational wealth has been systematically STOLEN from many people very specifically because of their skin-tone.
That is not in dispute.
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@Theweakeredge
Also also, sometimes is not an accurate representation- in the majority of the job market, having a lighter skin tone scores you more points inherently and having a darker one looses you ones inherently.
Income lines up with education which lines up (incidentally) with skin-tone.
Take the same data you think "proves" "racism" and strip out the skin-tone column.
You'll find that INCOME is a better predictor of future job prospects.
You seem obsessed with applying (apparent) statistical correlation to INDIVIDUAL CASES.
Your logical fallacy is, THE BROAD BRUSH.
Income Inequality in the U.S. Is Rising Most Rapidly Among Asians
While Asians overall rank as the highest earning racial and ethnic group in the U.S., it is not a status shared by all Asians: From 1970 to 2016, the gains in income for lower-income Asians trailed well behind the gains for their counterparts in other groups. [LINK]
Just because SOME Asian incomes are rising does not mean that ALL Asians have some kind of magical "Asian Privilege".
AND,
U.S. Poverty Statistics by Race,
14.2 million people - White, not Hispanic
9.5 million people - Hispanic, any race
8.1 million people - Black
1.5 million people - Asian
According to this study by the federal government, THERE ARE MORE POOR "WHITE" PEOPLE IN THE UNITED STATES THAN POOR "BLACK" PEOPLE.
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@ethang5
What you seem to be missing here is that "freewill" is not compatible with in-determinism (random causes and or uncaused events).
In order to "solve" the "freewill" question we don't need to know "the origin of the initial singularity" (which is beyond our epistemological limits).
In order to "solve" the "freewill" question, we only need to know that ALL events are either CAUSED or UNCAUSED or some combination of the two.
(IFF) all events are CAUSED (THEN) determinism makes your decisions (not "you")
(IFF) SOME events are CAUSED and some are UNCAUSED (THEN) UNCAUSED (indistinguishable from random) makes your decisions for you (not "you")
There is no escape.
There is no haven of ignorance in which "freewill" can hide itself.
All motives (goals) that drive your "decision making" are caused by previous events.
And the only "alternative" is that some of your motives (goals) are "uncaused" (making them indistinguishable from random).
A random action is not an action that you "choose".
A random action is not an act of WILL.
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@Theweakeredge
That is your burden to prove,
You made the initial claim.
Which was, "homophobia" is NOT based on fear.
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@TheUnderdog
As for gay sex, my idea is to prohibit all sex while having an STD.
This would be a gross invasion of privacy and unenforceable.
Perhaps universal free health-care would be a better option.
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@TheUnderdog
Minorities changing their name to something western would end discrimination on the basis of name, if it exists.
This is unrealistic and completely misses the point.
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@TheUnderdog
a UBI that is paid for not by the government, but by the deadbeat dad.
What if that "deadbeat dad" is not wealthy enough to pay (or dead, or incarcerated, or differently-abled)?
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@Theweakeredge
Whenever everyone besides you gets deductive points, you are privileged for not getting deductive points.
Everyone gets some deductive points for different reasons.
Skin-tone is NOT ALWAYS A FACTOR IN JOB SELECTION.
If all the job applicants competing against me for a position have roughly the same skin-tone, then NONE of the applicants are "privileged" (specifically for their skin-tone).
Some points are deducted for physical ability.
Some points are deducted for gender identity.
Some points are deducted for age (either for being too young or too old).
Some points are deducted for height (either for being too tall or too short).
Some points are deducted for experience (either for too much or not enough).
I've worked many jobs where my skin-tone was clearly in the minority and it was even pointed out to me that people of certain skin-tones (not matching my own) were obviously favored for promotions, which seemed to be the case, since the bosses all seemed to have matching skin-tones.
Sometimes a lighter-skin-tone scores you more points.
Sometimes a darker-skin-tone scores you more points.
Sometimes being the owner's cousin scores you more points.
Skin-tone BY ITSELF is not itself a one-way-ticket to DOOM or GLORY.
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@Theweakeredge
You haven't proven anything accept that,
I've made a case that psychology professionals have linked fear and hate.
Where's your case that "homophobia" is NOT linked to fear?
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