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@Athias
There must be a moral framework which guides social interaction--preferably individualism.
How would you solve the "free-rider" problem?
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@PGA2.0
What is fair, what is equal, what is good, which again would tie into what is the loving thing to do. 
And is that specified somewhere in your old book?
The Ten Commandments, which Jesus summarized in two. 
Now you're just running in circles.  That's where you got the "love god and love others" from in the first place.

I'm asking why you use the "love" standard for "personal" stuff and the "justice" standard for "state" stuff.
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@Athias
Would you rather live in a country with a functioning government or in a country with no functioning government.
No functioning government of course. I'll make this clear: I'm not an anarchist for the sake of anarchy. Anarchy--particularly autarchy--is the logical extension of my sustaining the moral philosophy of individualism. I do not presume a mere removal of government would solve all problems. There must be a moral framework which guides social interaction--preferably individualism. Just like in your reference to the panopticon, I'd rather have the discretion to weigh my own decisions and act accordingly than to have them dictated to me out of fear of the spectre of a "Wild West."
Well there are plenty of options for you to choose from, but you might have some trouble getting reliable electricity and internet service.

For example, [LINK]

Boasting a population of a whopping 259 people and one of the most “holy wow did a third grader who just learned how to swear come up with that name”-names in the country, Nutbush is one of many unincorporated areas in America.  Basically, America is huge, and a lot of communities were deemed too redneck to bother turning into a city.  Before you start packing up your bongs, multiple wives, and copies of Atlas Shrugs, all “unincorporated” means is there is no local government in charge of Nutbush.  They are still technically supposed to obey the laws of the county, state and country. 

Unincorporated areas are so common, especially in newer, less settled countries that it’s actually faster to name the countries that don’t have any unincorporated territory.  Pretty much all of northern Australia is unincorporated, presumably because Canberra decided that anyone crazy enough to move to the outback didn’t really deserve a town. 
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@Athias
So, problem solved.
Did that solve the problem, or was that a mere reaction to public pressure? What about the incentives that facilitated the bribery in the first place?
The article mentions that Sweden is highly transparent, so rules to mitigate future misconduct would likely be implemented.

But that's really a secondary concern.  A government's primary responsibility is to serve-and-protect their own citizens.
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@Athias
Private citizens would have an iron-clad right to privacy, but public-servants (referees) would have every action placed in a permanent and public record.
Public servants would have their rights diminished? With the predisposition to mobster mentalities, wouldn't this lead to an insurrection?
That would be part of the deal.  If you want to be a police officer, or a mayor or a senator, or any kind of public-servant, you must record (body-cam) and gps yourself to a public blockchain (permanent record) for the extent of your public-service.

Everything you do is public knowledge.

This keeps bad journalists from being able to smear you, because any citizen can debunk a bad story by going directly to the source.
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@Athias
First, what is playing fair? Second, why are your mentions the example, and not the exception especially considering that these cartels are backed by the Mexican government, which in turn is subsidized by the C.I.A? Not to mention that Diamond trade and the resulting conflict is likely sponsored by the Rothschild bank.
They are examples of what happens when government is crippled and or eliminated.

Can you supply any examples of a modern-day country that has a crippled government where "free-people-can-finally-thrive"??
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@Athias
So I ask you, (IFF) "cartoonishly wealthy banking families" are running rampant (THEN) how is shrinking or eliminating government (referees) going to SOLVE THIS PROBLEM?
Because government enforcement is their sword, and government regulations are their shields.
And you don't think they'll just switch over to these guys when the government is eliminated? [LINK]
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@Alec
Because this is the true and primary CAUSE OF POLITICAL CORRUPTION.
I don't think corruption is the biggest issue out there and both sides do it.  Coal companies lobby Republicans, and planned parenthood lobbies democrats.  I think eliminating national poverty, guns, immigration, abortion, military, and getting rid of the income tax are all comparably prominent issues.  I side with libertarians on most of these.
Ending corporate welfare must be priority #1.

Please tell me which of your hodge-podge is your pick for #1.

How are you going to "eliminate poverty"?  That doesn't even make any sense.
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@Alec
Why ending homelessness isn’t as simple as just getting a job, and why homeless people have a hard time getting jobs? 
There are many assumptions about homeless people. Perhaps the most common is that they are too lazy to work. Having almost been there myself in 1991, because of medical issues and having worked with many others in the same situation for years, I have to say that for the vast majority of homeless people the assumption that they are lazy is dead wrong and your elected officials know it in this city. 

But many won’t defend them. I used to work one full- and two part-time jobs, a total of three jobs, until I got sick. It happened again a second time (almost lost my home years later) when the government made a big mistake and declared me dead because my Social Security number was recorded as someone else’s, off by one number.

Why it’s hard to deal with being homeless. 
Most employers require addresses. This is a lose-lose situation:  People can’t get a place to live until they get a job, but can’t get a job until they get a place to live. 

Many jobs require transportation.  
That can be a huge obstacle to getting to work. For some, an automobile is a home-on-wheels, (I’ve seen 30 families last winter live in their vehicles) but many don’t have even that. Many jobs require that applicants have dependable transportation. Sometimes this can be a bus, but if work hours are irregular and begin before buses start running or after they have stopped, it means owning your own vehicle. Not having a car or money to pay for a bus fare means you can’t get to work.

Working at Home Depot in Hooksett, I require transportation. It costs me $120 monthly, but I’m not allowed to claim the expense because I don’t own the car, even though they know I must pay someone to get me to and from work daily. It’s crazy.

Many Homeless People Have Criminal Records.                              

The criminal records are often a result of their homelessness and sometimes, their only crime was not having a place to sleep. Just look at our city parks. Our city officials pulled people from their tents without finding them any other shelter and did not clean up the mess in many places. So where were they supposed to go? Of course they went Downtown, as our elected officials took away the only home they knew.

The BMA has not adequately addressed this crisis. Homelessness is often a crime in the city of Manchester and it shouldn’t be. 
In many cities in America, the state of being homeless is inherently illegal, so getting a criminal record is inevitable if one has nowhere to live in those areas. While some people on the street do commit crimes, sometimes their only crime is being without a place to sleep or to find a place to go to an indoor bathroom. Did you know that the city parks public bathrooms paid for by the taxpayers are no longer available to all citizens of Manchester?
In 2018 the BMA created a segregated bathroom at Veterans Park with two portables covered by a shed, where the parks public bathrooms are closed to certain populations of the Queen City. 

(Let’s not forget the fact that the BoMA closed Veterans Park public bathrooms six years ago and still we as a city have not resolved that issue other than for them to create a segregated indoor heated and outdoor portables covered by a shed. Within 50 feet of each other are two working sets of bathrooms… One for the haves and the other for the have nots – without heat in the winter months. As unforgiving as that is, we treat our pets better. It’s a double standard. 

That is so wrong because it’s not true at all.

Now the BoMA is at it again, instead of helping them they are writing up another senseless ordinance to make it illegal to be homeless and making it a crime within our city. Another homeless ordinance being written will make it illegal to camp within the city except for those they may give a permit too. It’s all about money and less services rendered to its citizens. 

It often doesn’t take long for the homeless to get criminal records without doing anything wrong. Charges for loitering, trespassing, unauthorized camping, or for falling asleep in a place not designated as a residence are common. 
Some of the elected officials already call all the homeless variance as if it’s a bad word because only the homeless commit crimes, drug sales, and violence in our city, according to them.                           
When we as a city start treating humans worse than we treat our pets, then how can you expect respect or work toward results of solving our city problems? (One can be arrested for mistreating our pets, but not how we treat people suffering homelessness.) The BoMA has turned a $56,000 repair estimate into a nearly $200,000 budget to repair our public bathrooms downtown in the park two years later. 

They created this crisis, now’s the time to fix it.
They claim homelessness is the source of most crime. They are wrong and it doesn’t reflect their opinions in the crimes recorded by our own MPD. That is so wrong, because it’s not true at all.


Addiction (and the Assumption of Addiction) Is an Obstacle to Employment.
Addiction might play a part. Addictions prevent them from looking for work and from getting hired at times, but not always. (It depends how out of control your addiction is.) Many employers assume the homeless citizens are all addicts because here in Manchester that’s what some elected officials want you to believe is true. They are not!  But it’s not damn close JKL and you are not doing anyone a favor as an Alderman-at-Large spreading such misinformation for your political gains to get re-elected.

Money Alone Isn’t Enough to Rent an Apartment! 
That’s right, money alone is not enough to rent most apartments. To get into most apartment complexes in the United States, applicants must have a good credit score, good references, and have a job at which they earn at least three times as much as the monthly rent. (Manchester is no different…)

How much money do you need to make to rent an apartment? 
While a person might be able to afford to rent an apartment working a minimum wage job by sticking to a very strict budget, still, most apartment complexes will not rent to them knowing that there are other bills needed to pay to survive. Like food – medical – electricity – vehicle – cable – phone – heat and other necessary living expenses.  A very modest one-bedroom apartment might have cost only $600 a month in the year 2000, but in today’s housing costs with an average increase of 5 percent per year, the average one-bedroom apartment goes for $1,200 those who rent it must now earn at least between $1,952 to $3,600 a month in most cases. If you rent a two or three-bedroom you can add another $200 to $300 more in rent. That takes the income needed two rent a 2 or 3 Bedroom apartment between  $2,150 to $4,200 or $2,250 to $4,500 depending on monthly bills. 

Homeless Employment Statistics
Here in Manchester, New Hampshire a person needs to earn at least a minimum wage of $12.20 per hour or more to rent a one bedroom or $13.45 for a 2 BR and $14.10 for a 3 BM to even be considered as an acceptable applicant for the apartment.

I recently tried to help a family of five to fill out paperwork to move into a low-income apartment complex and the requirement on their paperwork read that the rent must not exceed 30 percent of the applicants’ combined income. So their $700 a month of income does not pay for the apartment which requires them to earn at least $2,350 per month to be allowed to rent it, (and that was an affordable low-income housing program.) So they slept in their vehicle since June, so they can at least afford food for the five of them (the two parents and three children.) There are at least 30 other families this past winter that were living in their vehicles with similar situations. [LINK]
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What informs your primary AXIOMS regarding "societal justice" (if-not-love)?
What is fair, what is equal, what is good, which again would tie into what is the loving thing to do. 
And is that specified somewhere in your old book?
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@Alec
Mentally disabled people can still do construction work and physically disabled people can still get a job in the link above.
You might like this, [LINK]
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@Alec
Can you and I agree to make this priority #1?
Why is this issue the first priority?
Because this is the true and primary CAUSE OF POLITICAL CORRUPTION.
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@Alec
Then we ban welfare for the poor, disabled, and CHILDREN
One at a time.  Poor people can get a better paying job that only requires a HS degree.  Such jobs do exist, are very common, and some examples are in the sheet below:
Can they though?  How many companies do you know of will hire homeless people?  What about a 55 year old that only has a high-school education and hasn't held a job in the past ten years (supported by spouse).  Have you considered orphans who are under the legal working age?
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@Alec
If we ban all welfare, let's start with corporate subsidies please.
I would end all subsidies to private companies.  If they want federal funds, they can´t be for profit.
Can you and I agree to make this priority #1?

As per, [LINK]

And are you including the corn subsidies that artificially prop-up the junk-food-industry??
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@bmdrocks21
According to the World Bank ease of doing business index, America is 6 th in the world, while Mexico is 60.
That must be because of their LACK OF reliable (government) REGULATION ENFORCEMENT.

For example,

Corruption is a significant risk for companies operating in Mexico. Bribery is widespread in the country’s judiciary and police. Business registration processes, including getting construction permits and licenses, are negatively influenced by corruption. Organized crime continues to be a very problematic factor for business, imposing large costs on companies. [LINK]

Without a functioning government, MOBSTER ETHICS is the only law.

Isn't that so-much-better-than all those annoying (government) regulations?
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@bmdrocks21
That would be where protectionism comes into play.

The government is corrupt af and gangs own most of the territories, so I would prefer not to do business from down there. Hardly Heaven on Earth.
This is exactly what you're asking for when you say you don't want government interfering with business.

They're 100% PRO-BUSINESS.

They've got practically no government oversight (regulations), you can easily avoid paying taxes and you don't have to worry about big subsidies for your competitors.

REalistically, though.  What do you think would happen to your precious America if all those evil-nasty-government-regulations disappeared overnight??
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@disgusted
Humans cause wars.

Religion is sometimes a pretext for war, but it is not a cause, in-and-of-itself.
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@bmdrocks21
Screw the free market. I'm for Americans. I do like freer markets in terms of smaller regulations, less taxes, and no subsidies. I do not believe in letting people in who will destroy the livelihood of American citizens.
I see, so you're ok with Mexican labor putting American companies out of business and driving down American wages, just as long as they do it from within the borders of MEXICO??

I fail to see how this arrangement solves either "problem".

..smaller regulations, less taxes, and no subsidies.
Well then, you'd LOVE IT IN MEXICO.  They've got practically no government oversight (regulations), you can easily avoid paying taxes and you don't have to worry about big subsidies for your competitors.

It's practically HEAVEN ON EARTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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@Alec
If we ban welfare, any immigrant who is here for welfare would leave.
If we ban all welfare, let's start with corporate subsidies please.

Then when we ban welfare for the poor and disabled and CHILDREN, have fun warehousing them in prisons for $31,000.00 to $75,000.00 per person per year.

Isn't it hilarious how people are so quick to moan about giving the poor and helpless $3,000.00 a year in food-stamps but then they just LOVE to spend "their-hard-earned-tax-dollars" to incarcerate that person for 10x or 20x (plus court fees, plus policing fees) FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES?

A homeless person costs tax-payers an average of $20,000.00 per person per year.  That price goes UP if you throw them in jail. 

That price goes DOWN if you GIVE THEM A PLACE TO LIVE AND SOME FOOD.
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@bmdrocks21
...the sectors they work in begin paying less and having worse work conditions, which disincentivizes natives from working in those sectors.
Isn't CHEAP LABOR the life-blood of the FREE-MARKET??
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@Athias
Sweden is a parliamentary democratic with a constitutional monarchy. This country globally known for its high quality life, equality, human development, education and health. The government system of Sweden is also transparent and stable. The government agencies of Sweden considered the corruption as ‘abuse of power’. There is also a efficient anti-corruption unit in Sweden to investigate and prosecute corruption.
ANd,

The company is now pulling out of business in Central Asia,
So, problem solved.

Would you rather live in a country with a functioning government or in a country with no functioning government.

Personally.

Would you rather live in a country ranked higher on the integrity index or lower on the integrity index?
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@Athias
The idea of a referee is to mitigate bullying.  If you think people should NOT be forced to "play by the rules" then you essentially have no rules and people will act like MOBSTERS.
Then what's the point of any organized social interaction? If people are predisposed to acting like mobsters, then all government action would reflect his mobster mentality because government members consist of people.

There are specific barriers and codes-of-conduct that insulate referees from corruption.
How? Who maintains/sustains these codes of conduct if not the very people who you claim are predisposed to mobster mentalities? The rules are only as good as the people who follow them. And according to your rationale, the rules are mobster rules.
Are you familiar with panopticon? [LINK]

Now imagine if this system was reversed so only the people could see the guards.  All the time.  Zero privacy and Zero secrecy.  Imagine if wikileeks was obsolete because all government records were publicly available.

Private citizens would have an iron-clad right to privacy, but public-servants (referees) would have every action placed in a permanent and public record.
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And how is that any different from a FREE-MARKET-WARLORD?
To what extent is this person acting as a "war-lord"? If the "war-lord" merely participates in free exchanges and dissemination of products and services, why would it matter that he or she is a "war-lord"?
But that's the whole point.  Dominant companies don't play fair.

Let's examine a few examples of dominant industries operating in countries with very weak and or effectively zero government oversight.

Avocado cartels in Mexico.

Diamond cartels in Africa.

Rubber and Bananas and Chocolate are all valuable commodities that have frozen-out the land-owner-farmers by MANIPULATING THE MARKET (in the absence of effective government referees).
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@Athias
Great metaphor.  The only problem is if there's only ONE GAME IN TOWN
Why would there be a single rent-seeking monopoly dictating a single game in town?
Have you ever tried to start your own football league?

Have you ever tried to start your own soccer league?

Have you ever tried to start your own wrestling league?

Let me save you the trouble.

Any sports league that obtains market dominance will either absorb you or run-you-out-of-town. 

Companies naturally seek de facto monopoly (80%+) and are extremely anti-competitive (just like mobsters).
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It's true that the system makes people complicit in the process that traps them, but that fact doesn't make it okay. It seems to me that the system is designed, whether consciously or not, specifically to get people locked into it.
I'm not at all suggesting that this is okay. But with cartoonishly wealthy banking families who operate on trapping the populace in their debt schemes, governments are mere tools (along with mass media) to cajole the unwitting into political activism which facilitates said scheme.
BINGO.

We appear to have uncovered more common-ground.

So I ask you, (IFF) "cartoonishly wealthy banking families" are running rampant (THEN) how is shrinking or eliminating government (referees) going to SOLVE THIS PROBLEM?
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There are lots of privately held corporations that are highly centralized.  The two concepts are not incompatible.
Give an example.
Have you ever heard of Koch Industries? [LINK]
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@Athias
If I own ten acres of real-estate that surround your 1, I can force you to pay tolls to cross my land.

I can charge people rent to live on my land.  I can charge companies a fee in order to conduct business on my land.  Land makes money.

More land = more money = more land.
Exactly; therefore it's far more lucrative and incentivizing to charge for use of your land rather than to kick one off simply because you dislike them.
You don't kick-off EVERYBODY, just the people you personally DON'T LIKE.  You know, like weirdos and cult members and people who don't speak your language...
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And the issue is that the other side of the aisle seems intent on increasing all types of spending.
BOTH sides of the aisle have ratcheted up spending non-stop.

Ronald Reagan: President Reagan increased the debt by 186%. Reaganomics added $1.86 trillion. Reagan's brand of supply-side economics didn't grow the economy enough to offset the lost revenue from its tax cuts. Reagan also increased the defense budget by 35%.

George W. Bush: President Bush added $5.849 trillion, the second-greatest dollar amount. This was a 101% increase, the fourth-largest. Bush launched the War on Terror in response to the 9/11 attacks. It includes the War in Afghanistan, at $1.1 trillion, and the Iraq War, at $1 trillion. Military spending rose to a record level of $800 billion a year. [LINK]
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Speaking of a person (I - first-person singular pronoun - within the context) forgiving others for a wrong against them, not about societal justice.
What informs your primary AXIOMS regarding "societal justice" (if-not-love)?
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...Social Security and Medicare deficits that will come over the next three...
Are you kidding me?  Empty promises can be "fixed" by a simple rule change.

They've already done it several times.

Move the retirement age to, eh, let's say 88 years!!

Make sure to subsidize junk-food (corn and sugar) and market it to everyone everywhere so they'll be sure to die right before their 88th birthday!!

What about the police and firefighters and teachers who lost their pension funds in 2008??

Maybe the federal government could just issue an official apology (for freeeeeee!!!).

Sorry, no more Socialist Security Benefits you suckers.

I mean, what are all of those lazy-good-for-nothing-old-people going to do about it anyway?

DID YOU KNOW THE ORIGINAL RETIREMENT AGE FOR SOCIALIST SECURITY WAS 65?????
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And she said many benefits counted in the study are going to U.S.-born children of immigrants, skewing the findings even more.
In other words, many of those children of immigrants are CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES.

and,

The center's report is based on 2012 data from the Census Bureau's Survey of Income and Program Participation. It includes immigrants who have become naturalized citizens, legal permanent residents, those on short-term visas and undocumented immigrants.
This 51% number includes LEGAL IMMIGRANTS.

and,

Immigrants are more likely to be working than their native-born neighbors. The report found that 87% of immigrant households had at least one worker, compared to 76% for native households.
So non-immigrant US CITIZENS are 11% more likely to have zero workers contributing to their households?


and,

A new poll released by by the National Hispanic Media Coalition and Latino Decisions finds over 30 percent of non-Hispanics believe a majority (over half) of Hispanics are undocumented.  However, the actual figure of undocumented Hispanics in the U.S. is around 18 percent, and only 37 percent of U.S. Hispanics are actually immigrants, according to the Pew Hispanic Center.  (Pew Hispanic was not involved in the poll). [LINK]

so, (IFF) 37% of Hispanics are immigrants and only 18% are ILLEGALS (THEN) only 48.64864864864865% of Hispanic immigrants are ILLEGALS.

Which makes 82% of them LEGAL RESIDENTS.
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Answer: you won't stop trying, but the majority of the voters that pay taxes won't vote in a politician that can be purchased by the 1%.
The majority of voters will still vote-with-their-dollars for whatever's cheapest and or the most desirable based on targeted advertising.

I'm really not sure how a flat tax will make even the slightest difference.
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@Athias
If we were to entertain your statements in the other thread, and for the sake of argument, concede that in the absence of government, we'd live in a "wild west" because people cannot be trusted to be left to their own device, then how is that members of government can be left to their own devices? Isn't a corrupt government inevitable?
There are specific barriers and codes-of-conduct that insulate referees from corruption.

Professional sports and even professional auditors have proven over time that there can be effective and reasonably fair referees.

Another possibility in the near future may be to have the referee process and framework overseen by an open-source AI monitor.

Or perhaps we could follow these real-world examples, [LINK]
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@Athias
Social interaction ought to reflect a pick-up game of basketball. Everyone who desires to participate either conceives a set of rules to mutual agreement, or adopt the ones which naturally come with the game. Each participant is free to accept or decline the rules suggested. Not only that, each participant is free to seek other arrangements which reflect their own values for rules setting without being deprived of that with which they came in. These games are usually self-regulated and in the event of disputes, codes of resolution are exercised (e.g. "miss on me.") Either that or resolution is brought about through concession. This works because each participant has an identical goal in mind: entertainment. And there's a plethora of considerations taken, consciously or subconsciously, before and during engagement.  Cheating is heavily discouraged because one risks getting alienated and/or ostracized in future games.
Great metaphor.  The only problem is if there's only ONE GAME IN TOWN (rent-seeking-monopoly-seeking). 

Then it becomes a matter of PLAY OR DIE.

With the government acting as a referee, the "referee" proverbially puts a gun to your head, and forces you to play by his rules whether you agree with them or not. And in the event, you dissent, it will shoot you, detain you, or rob you of everything you have--including your socks.
And how is that any different from a FREE-MARKET-WARLORD?

The idea of a referee is to mitigate bullying.  If you think people should NOT be forced to "play by the rules" then you essentially have no rules and people will act like MOBSTERS.
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@Athias
Eh, I'm pretty sure the original intent, the original use-case for government was to adjudicate disputes between citizens and to provide public roads and protect public resources like water and to protect citizens from foreign invasion and to protect property rights so the powerful (ranchers and or railroads) can't simply take your land by force.
Which government are we talking about? Tribal governments?
In a tribal government, the leader of the tribe would organize hunts, make sure the people didn't starve and settled disputes among tribe members.

If the tribal leaders did a poor job of this, they would be killed or banished.

Feudal governments?
In a feudal government, the leader of the fiefdom would organize security and food supplies, make sure the people didn't starve and settled disputes among tribe members.

If the feudal leaders did a poor job of this, they would be killed or banished.

None of them fit your description.
I disagree.

Perhaps the closest thing was the United States during its first nine years when it had its own colonial script and operated under Articles of Confederation. But that's far too indulgent with your description.
Is it now?
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@Athias
You're describing wage-slavery.

But it's even worse than that.
No, I'm describing "debt-slavery." All governments accumulate debt which tax-paying citizens are obligated to service said debt. International bankers sell this debt using the tax payer's labor as collateral.
It's true that the system makes people complicit in the process that traps them, but that fact doesn't make it okay. It seems to me that the system is designed, whether consciously or not, specifically to get people locked into it. [LINK]
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@Athias
Whether or not its administered by a "private contractor" or not, it will inevitably become "an overly-centralized institution".
No, because to be "private" is to not be "overly-centralized." How do you suppose they'd centralize without the coercive force of a centralized government?
There are lots of privately held corporations that are highly centralized.  The two concepts are not incompatible.
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@Greyparrot
Because once people start paying taxes, they will stop voting for the corruption. As long as they don't have any skin in the game, there is no accountability.
So, imagine I'm a wealthy corporate swine.

Now imagine I have to pay a flat tax.

I'm still going to hire lobbyists to write legislation that will protect my profits.

Why would I stop doing this?
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@Athias
Isn't it always?  In any system, there are winners and losers.  The winners will purchase more land, and kick out anyone they dislike.  And then buy more land.
How do you suggest they "buy more land" if they're kicking out everyone they dislike? Where are they earning their income?
If I own ten acres of real-estate that surround your 1, I can force you to pay tolls to cross my land.

I can charge people rent to live on my land.  I can charge companies a fee in order to conduct business on my land.  Land makes money.

More land = more money = more land.
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@Greyparrot
The solution to your 1st video is to institute a flat tax, essentially making 100% of the population lobbyists, instead of the 1% with skin in the game.
Please explain how a flat-tax will stop expensive lobbyists?  Will it put corporations out of business?  Will it make politicians less greedy?
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@Alec
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@bmdrocks21
But we borrow carnival tickets from other nations and have to pay interest on these ticket loans.
They're stock-piling American carnival tickets (ticket-bonds, special tickets that promise to pay 1.17 tickets if you hold them for 10 years).

The USA is also stock-piling Foreign carnival tickets (ticket-bonds).

The USA actually comes out ahead in the debt game.  The USA is owed more money than they owe to other countries. [LINK]

When we continuously borrow tickets, the payments start snowballing and eventually we cannot pay back our ticket interest at all.
How is the USA "borrowing" carnival tickets?

Then the other carnivals are going to be very upset and might war with our carnival to get it back.
The tickets will become absolutely worthless if the carnival is destroyed.

What's more likely is the foreign carnivals who hold large numbers of ticket-bonds will threaten to crash the ticket value by dumping them, and they'll use this threat to extort favors from the carnival that issued the ticket-bonds.

Or we can print tons of tickets and everyone will lose faith in our ticket's value. 
Possibly, but if they can throttle liquidity somehow, perhaps by locking-down individual bank accounts like they did in Greece and Cyprus, it's all good.

Using the stock example, if creditors want their money, they will do anything they can to BOOST hype about the company because they know if they simply dismantle it (force bankruptcy), they'll be left fighting over scraps.
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@bmdrocks21
So we need to invent hoola hoops?
Or AI, or fabulous, high-security holiday camps!
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@bmdrocks21
Yes, insurance does rob the healthy to pay the sick, and I would like to be able to opt out of some insurance.
Why not all insurance.  They all follow the same principle.  Steal from the rich (lucky) to give to the poor (unlucky).

Car insurance is to pay for the other person's car in the case of a wreck, though.
How is this fair?  Why not just force everyone to carry a $10,000.00 bond?  I've paid way more than that in premiums.

Health insurance is for yourself, and Obama made it illegal not to have health insurance. Kind of insane. And I can't opt out of many of those services anyway.
As long as people can still get mended in emergency rooms for free, healthcare costs will burden those who can pay full price.

Surgery for an aortic cyst (for a homeless person) can cost as much as $500,000.00.  In some cases, the same patient will need to have this life-saving procedure multiple times because they don't qualify for preventative care.

If we didn't have insurance, costs would be much lower.
As long as people can still get mended in emergency rooms for free, healthcare costs will burden those who CAN pay the full (inflated) price.

Lasik eye surgery isn't covered by insurance and the price is driven down by competition.
You can't compare elective surgery with non-elective surgery.  One of the key problems with healthcare cost is price-gouging people who will die without treatment.

Free-Market-Economics works pretty well for luxury items and electives, but it turns dark pretty quickly when handling necessities.

For example, in the Guilded Age, companies could buy up the municipal water lines and then jack prices through the roof.

Railroads and coal mines would own the only grocery store in town, and force their workers into debt by charging double the going price for bread.
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@bmdrocks21
The bill for our debt will come eventually, likely in my lifetime, and it will be a very unpleasant one. I care about it, so I want to cut spending quite a bit and maybe raise taxes a little bit temporarily until we pay it off.
Cash is like carnival tickets.

It's absurd to say that a carnival owes itself tickets.

They print their own tickets.

The USA is like a giant carnival with games and prizes.

Europe is like a giant carnival with games and prizes.

China is like a giant carnival with games and prizes.

They all print their own carnival tickets.

These tickets only have value if the games and prizes offered by the carnival are highly desirable.

The mistake most people make is - thinking of the government the same way they think about their own personal finances.

You have to imagine yourself as a carnival owner who prints their own tickets.

If you want to boost the value of your tickets, you need to invent some new and fabulously amazing games and prizes!!

It's also a lot like stock.  Crash your own stock, buy it back, then boost it up by inventing something new!!  Like this, [LINK]
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@bmdrocks21
It is only one of the reasons. Another is that it depresses the wages of native workers, destroys our culture, they cost us tons in welfare. I can get a full list of the reasons, but it will take a while.
The same can be said for off-shoring.  The same can be said for automation.  The same can be said for AI.
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@Alec
Talking into your laptop camera while having the option to show reference material (or so you can read something while looking into a camera) on your computer screen is much more compelling than a medium-shot of you in a basically empty room talking to an empty chair.
For example, [LINK]
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@PGA2.0
And does God ever go back on, or change His word?
No, His word is eternal and unchanging.
How then do we explain verses that seem to say that God does change His mind? Verses such as Genesis 6:6, “The LORD was grieved that He had made man on the earth, and His heart was filled with pain.” Also, Exodus 32:14 proclaims, “Then the LORD relented and did not bring on His people the disaster He had threatened.” These verses speak of the Lord “repenting” or “relenting” of something and seem to contradict the doctrine of God’s immutability.

Another passage that is often used to show that God changes His mind is the story of Jonah. Through His prophet, God had told Nineveh He would destroy the city in forty days (Jonah 3:4). However, Nineveh repented of their sin (verses 5–9). In response to the Assyrians’ repentance, God relented: “He had compassion and did not bring upon them the destruction He had threatened” (verse 10). [LINK]

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@PGA2.0
I'm saying that someone who murders someone else does not receive the same recompense he/she gave without the court system taking their life also. Many times those left behind feel that justice is not equal. Their loved one is no longer alive while the perpetrator of the crime is. 
Those who cannot forgive are like someone who has indigestion. It is not not what they have eaten but what is eating them. It is a piece of baggage those who hold a grudge carry with them. The other person may not even know of the grudge but it eats the person holding it up with hatred or resentment. 
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@PGA2.0
I'm not disputing your definition of "love".

I'm asking how it is logically consistent with your idea of "justice".

I'm not seeing anything in there that would justify killing felons or protesting abortion.
That would be something the government did for it is not for a citizen to take revenge but for the state to apply justice (except in cases of self-defence or protecting others from wrong). And love is just. A good judge will not wink at wrongs. He will punish them or else there would be no justice. Without the state/government applying justice there would be anarchy. People would do whatever evil they liked without any consequences. 
Can a judge act in accordance with your definition of "love"?

Doesn't it keep no record of wrongs?

Doesn't your hypothetical god punish evil?

How can you say that the state must enforce laws, otherwise there are no consequences?
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