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@Athias
Once a person initiates aggression, then the target bears the imperative to end the aggression. So to use your example, if an unarmed pregnant woman continued to slap me (on-going aggression) and shooting her is the only effective means to end her assault, then yes, the conclusion to our conflict would be her liability since she was the one who initiated.
What moral theory do you subscribe to?
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@Dr.Franklin
(IFF) abortion = murder (THEN) miscarriage = manslaughterYouve lost all credit
Do you know what a CONDITIONAL STATEMENT is?
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@Athias
Just so that there are no misconceptions about my argument, here it is:
Should one argue that an abortion is an extension of a woman's right to her privacy and person, then by that same reasoning, a parent's obligation to the sustenance of his or her children should be argued capable of being [ABANDONED AT A MEDICAL FACILITY] as well regardless of the children's age.
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@Mopac
Those who are motivated by fear of hell are like slaves.
Not me.
Those who are motivated by reward of heaven are like mercenaries.
Not me.
Then there are those who are motivated by HUMAN EMPATHY, these are as children of NOUMENON.
Bingo!
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@Mopac
If it is really all just a joke to you, you are welcome to try that one at the resurrection before the dread judgement seat of Christ.
Good luck when you end up in,
Naraka (Sanskrit: नरक) is the Hindu equivalent of Hell, where sinners are tormented after death.[1] It is also the abode of Yama, the god of Death. It is described as located in the south of the universe and beneath the earth.
The number and names of hells, as well as the type of sinners sent to a particular hell, varies from text to text; however, many scriptures describe 28 hells.[1] After death, messengers of Yama called Yamadutas bring all beings to the court of Yama, where he weighs the virtues and the vices of the being and passes a judgement, sending the virtuous to Svarga (heaven) and the sinners to one of the hells. The stay in Svarga or Naraka is generally described as temporary. After the quantum of punishment is over, the souls are reborn as lower or higher beings as per their merits.[1] In a few texts, a hell is described as a bottomless pit of darkness where souls are trapped for eternity and deprived of rebirth. [WIKI]
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@Athias
Even if someone punches you in the face, you're not allowed to shoot them.No. As I've already stated, "flipping someone off" is not an act of aggression.
Yes it most certainly is.
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@Mopac
I love taking responsibility for god's errors.Blaming God does you absolutely no benefit.
Doesn't that make me into a sort of god of all gods?
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@Mopac
Because it's the most compelling statement I've seen from you.Why do you say that?
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@Athias
If you flip a man off on the highway and he shoots you and incidentally your passenger killing them but leaving you alive are you guilty of manslaughter?No.
You've just answered your own question.
Even if someone punches you in the face, you're not allowed to shoot them.
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@secularmerlin
If you flip a man off on the highway and he shoots you and incidentally your passenger killing them but leaving you alive are you guilty of manslaughter? You did instigate gun violence did you not?
Well stated.
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@Athias
Understand their reasoning.
This ought to be good.
Had she not been pregnant, but instead was taking care of a five year-old toddler, would her starting the fight that would eventually conclude in the murder of her child not make her somewhat culpable under current legislation?
Absolutely not.
The person firing the gun should be charged with manslaughter.
The mother may be charged with "reckless endangerment of a child" or somesuch, but NOT manslaughter.
What if she were fighting with a one year-old infant in her arms?
Absolutely not.
The person firing the gun should be charged with manslaughter.
The mother may be charged with "reckless endangerment of a child" or somesuch, but NOT manslaughter.
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@Athias
- Conception
- Birth
- 18 years of age
What's not arbitrary about selecting one of these stages of human development and ascribing a "certificate" associated with human rights and legal protections for no irreducible reason other than the stage itself?
Birth is when you enter the public space. This is in no way "arbitrary".
Before birth you are part of your mother and not a separate entity entitled to the rights and protections associated with CITIZENS.
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@Mopac
There are 3 types of believers according to Saint Basil.Those who are motivated by fear of hell are like slaves.Those who are motivated by reward of heaven are like mercenaries.Then there are those who are motivated by love of God, these are as children of God.So it is wrong to say we simlly act out of fear of damnnation.
This should be your signature move.
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@Athias
...then there's nothing indefensible about one's arguing that life begins at 18.
It's not arbitrary.
CITIZENSHIP and its associated human rights and legal protections begin at BIRTH.
This event is commonly commemorated with a state-issued-official-magical-piece-of-paper we often refer to as a, "birth certificate".
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@Mopac
A good end achieved by bad means is not functionally the same as a good end achieved by good means.
Isn't a motive to help people based on human empathy more noble than a motive to help people because of some commandment dictated on pain of eternal damnation?
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@Athias
How does one lay claim to an idea when its fundamentally and infinitely reproducible?
And furthermore, NOBODY can PROVE their idea is "ORIGINAL" (i.e. NOT just some combination of previous ideas).
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(IFF) life begins at conception (THEN) abortion = murder
(IFF) abortion = murder (THEN) miscarriage = manslaughter
(IFF) miscarriage = manslaughter (THEN) personal privacy = impossible
(IFF) life begins at conception (THEN) every conception (copulation) must be registered with the state (life-certificates must replace birth-certificates)
And if you think "no way, that'll never happen", think again.
It's already happening.
Police in Pleasant Grove, Alabama, charged Marshae Jones, 27, with manslaughter after she had a miscarriage from a gunshot wound [INFLICTED BY AN ASSAILANT] in the abdomen.
An Alabama woman who reportedly suffered a miscarriage after being shot in the abdomen has been charged with manslaughter in the death of [HER OWN] fetus.
Marshae Jones, 27, of Birmingham, was indicted by a Jefferson County grand jury on Wednesday and was ordered jailed on $50,000 bond. She was accused of starting a Dec. 4 fight with another woman who fired the shot, AL.com reported. [LINK]
Please challenge my axioms and or point out a specific logical error and or provide a counter-factual.
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@Mopac
Say the god the deist believes in is NOUMENON.
Say the atheist outright disagrees with the deist's use of the word "god" but is 100% certain that NOUMENON is a logical necessity.
Isn't that more of an ontological choice, and less of a philosophical disagreement?
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@Mopac
I'm not sure this example supports your case....as was shown in the parable of the good Samaritan, who despite belonging to a faith considered heretical by the Jews, exhibited a righteousness that surpassed that of those who were supposed to have the correct faith.
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@Mopac
We believe that human beings are made in God's image and we consider marriage a sacred mystery. I'd say we are prohuman and profamily.
Well then we seem to be functionally in agreement.
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@Mopac
In the same way that an error-prone car is supposed to blame itself and "repent"?Error-slave is supposed to learn to blame themselves and repent...
So at what point does this god "take responsibility" for making all these error-slaves running amok?
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@Athias
They want to get paid every time you loan that movie or song to your friend, every time you play it at a party and every time you hear it in the backgroud of a home movie you upload to youtube.Intellectual property law undermines itself in that its real purpose is to monopolize the capacity to rent intellectual content.
I'm not kidding, I recorded a video of some friends dancing at a party and when I uploaded it to youtube it gave me a warning that any profits I earned from monetization would automatically be funneled to the copyright holder of the song playing in the background. I don't even monetize my videos!
Reality is now copyrighted. You don't even own your own memories.
And it makes me sick when people try to say that nobody will write books or songs in a world without copyrights.
Are you kidding me?
People have been writing songs and stories and inventing things for thousands of years without any sort of "intellectual-property-rights".
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@dylancatlow
...it does take away their ability to sell the music they produce.
Uh, no it doesn't.
Napster and bittorrent have NOT put the music industry out of business, in-fact, their profit margins have been GROWING.
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@Mopac
Peace, stability, and contentment are available to many beliefs and many religions that have nothing to do with yours.
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@Mopac
Why did god make error-slave so prone to error?Error slave is blaming God for their actions
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@dylancatlow
The intangible nature of intellectual property presents difficulties when compared with traditional property like land or goods. Unlike traditional property, intellectual property is "indivisible", since an unlimited number of people can "consume" an intellectual good without it being depleted. Additionally, investments in intellectual goods suffer from problems of appropriation: a landowner can surround their land with a robust fence and hire armed guards to protect it, but a producer of information or literature can usually do very little to stop their first buyer from replicating it and selling it at a lower price. Balancing rights so that they are strong enough to encourage the creation of intellectual goods but not so strong that they prevent the goods' wide use is the primary focus of modern intellectual property law.[11] [WIKI]
The main purpose of intellectual property law is to encourage the creation of a wide variety of intellectual goods.[9] To achieve this, the law gives people and businesses property rights to the information and intellectual goods they create, usually for a limited period of time. [WIKI]
For example, https://youtu.be/M-lHSBy2Mlc
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@Mopac
An error-slave can only make errors.Nonsense. I was not kidnapped, I came in of my own free will.
An error-slave cannot make a "freewill" "choice".
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@Mopac
I don't doubt that you believe it.As much a slave as a child is to their parent.
I just doubt that you can prove it.
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@Greyparrot
Ok then don't use statistical percentages when stating an opinion. Just say everyone gets screwed.
99.999% of the content creators are already 100% screwed by the publishers and distributors.
I'm pretty sure I can say whatever I want whenever I want as long as I avoid ad hominem attacks.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
doesn't all property start out as an idea?
When you grow corn, or potatoes, they start out as a seed, a physical seed, not a concept.
The seed is property and the plant is property.
The law of intellectual property is commonly understood as providing an incentive to authors and inventors to produce works for the benefit of the public by regulating the public's use of such works in order to ensure that authors and inventors are compensated for their efforts.
This is the lie they tell you to get you onboard. Have you ever tried to patent an idea? (spoiler alert, you will get screwed) Have you ever tried to copyright an idea? (spoiler alert, you will get screwed).
(what made you think of this topic?)
I realized the other day that I can barely write or think about anything that is not a corporate property and protected under copyright law.
Every time I talk about my childhood memories, I'm basically shilling for some mammoth corporation that crushes thousands of people just like me every single day.
Here's an example,
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@Mopac
So why do people participate in social activities at Church/Temple/Synagogue/Mosque?To socialize of course.
But if your relationship with god is a private affair, why bother going to a Church merely for socialization and not some other place?
Of course, delusion very naturally leads to suffering, and fighting delusion with delusion or medication can only do so much to mask the problem.With God there is a certain peace that surpasses understanding, a real spiritual joy that transcends the suffering of this life. Joy is certainly a fruit of the spirit.
Ok, so god does promise to make you feel better (probably with a steady supply of serotonin).
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@Mopac
Your claim is that you are a god-slave.What do you think my claim is?
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@Greyparrot
If I invented-or-co-invented a billion dollar character and got paid the equivalent of a minimum wage job for it and was buried in an unmarked grave, I'd consider that 100% screwed.
100% screwed is zero compensation.
That sounds like your personal opinion. Citation please.
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@Mopac
Social activities tend to make people happy. Social activities have very little to do with one's spiritual development. That is a personal relationship with God.
So why do people participate in social activities at Church/Temple/Synagogue/Mosque?
True spirituality does not always involve being happy, indeed if it did, it would not be referred to as the path of sorrows.
So what about Proverbs 10:28, "The prospect of the righteous is joy, but the hopes of the wicked come to nothing." and these too, [LINK]
It is never an easy thing to purge oneself of corrupt influence, addiction, and the passions. This is even harder if you make these things a matter of your own personal identity. It is not always a pleasant thing, and it is often very painful to overcome one's delusions.
Ok, but what about...
This can only be done by that helper, the comforter, that Holy Spirit of Truth.
So doesn't the comfort cancel out all the bad stuff?
God gives grace to those that strive for Him with a pure and humble heart.
There you go, so it's all worth it in the end, ammiright?
I can say in my own life, as someone who has had to do an awful lot of repenting... there have been many times where change was not easy, particularly things that I built my identity around. For those things, change was accompanied by an awful lot of kicking and screaming.
But, just like ripping off a bandage, you feel much better afterward?
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@zedvictor4
I see, so you're abandoning your "this is unresolvable" assertion?
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@Mopac
What am I saying? There is one God, The Truth. Abide in The Truth. Love God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength. Love your neighbor as yourself.
Error-slave knows what you are CLAIMING. Error-slave wants to know HOW you SUPPORT your CLAIM.
My personal sanctity is not what is important. This is pure and sound doctrine that everyone should be able to recognize as beneficial to not only one's personal spiritual development, but the well being of all of humanity.
Well, error-slave is perfectly willing to accept that you MIGHT BE a god-slave, but error-slave wants to be 100% certain.
There are lots of other possible god-slaves running around making CLAIMS that are in CONFLICT with your CLAIMS.
Do you perhaps have some coherent STANDARDS OF EVIDENCE that error-slave can follow?
If my witness isn't enough, God is a witness to the veracity of this doctrine. Truth and love will make the world a better place.
Error-slave wants to know HOW you SUPPORT your CLAIM.
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@Greyparrot
Who cares? Why would you cry wolf with fake news by spouting 100%?If you have an argument, you don't have to use fictional stats that are impossible. There's very few things in nature that are 100%
If I invented-or-co-invented a billion dollar character and got paid the equivalent of a minimum wage job for it and was buried in an unmarked grave, I'd consider that 100% screwed.
COPYRIGHT LAW DOES NOT PROTECT THE MAJORITY OF CONTENT CREATORS.
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@Mopac
Because serotonin levels, as I stated, has nothing to do with spirituality.
Why are they so highly correlated?
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@Mopac
Well, I guess that means youu will be forever stuck, because leaning on your own understanding won't get you out of the epistemological black hole. In fact, it is what got you there. What will keep you there.
How can I know if you are an error-slave or a god-slave?
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@Mopac
I mean, I'm sure you believe your one true god rewards the members of your Church with a serotonin boost because they picked the right god, but why would your god boost the serotonin levels of all the heathens, you know?
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@Mopac
Error-slave wants to be a god-slave, but error-slave doesn't want to pick the wrong god...
And since error-slave can only make errors...
It makes confident decision making all but impossible...
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@Mopac
I'm pretty sure the majority of the social activities associated with Church-going ALSO boost your serotonin levels.
Why do you think all religions gather at regular intervals and sing together and eat banquet style meals together?
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@Mopac
You can always choose to not do what you know you ought not to do that you are currently doing.
Error-slave can only make errors!! Please contact manufacturer.
If you are honest, I am sure you'll be able to find something.
What? A different error?
Please explain how error-slave can stop making errors?
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@Mopac
I'm pretty sure the majority of the social activities associated with Church-going ALSO boost your serotonin levels.
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@Mopac
Error-slave can only make errors!! Please contact manufacturer.
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@Mopac
I am pretty sure the right drugs will float your serotonin levels in perpetual happy land.
I'm pretty sure the majority of the social activities associated with Church-going ALSO boost your serotonin levels.
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@Mopac
Blaming God for your faults is not helpful to growing spiritully. God must be approached with humility.
Error-slave can only make errors!! Please contact manufacturer.
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@Greyparrot
Yah, Wikipedia says he was partially compensated, so not 100%
Partially compensated, no thanks to copyright law.
Bill Finger co-created the superhero in 1939 and founded an empire worth billions of dollars today.
The cartoonist gave Batman the nickname The Dark Knight and invented the story of his parents being killed in front of him as a boy.
Yet for 75 years all the credit went to Bob Kane, Finger's friend who asked him to help on creating a rival to Superman.
Kane became a wealthy celebrity and when he died in 1998 he got an obituary in the New York Times and a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame.
By then Finger had already been dead 24 years and was thought to have been buried in an unmarked pauper's grave. [LINK]
He couldn't even afford a funeral. 100% screwed.
And he's not the only one. The media loves to barrage us with success stories, but we almost never hear anything about the people crushed by industry.
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@Mopac
In otherwords, you think that spiritual wellbeing is simply a matter of being on the right drugs.
You obviously don't know what serotonin is.
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