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Regime change, Putin is out.

So, for now, just say humans. 

So, to clarify your distinction, human is the homo sapien species and person is a being deserving of full rights and ethical consideration?

Abortion just makes me sick,

Back to the squatter example, is this different than putting someone outside in the cold where they freeze to death without helping them. The legal framework of you must help those you can stop from dying from preventable deaths does more to indict those with incredible wealth and those who interact with the homeless than a women engaging in an abortion.

• Epistemic nihilism is false. I’m not sure its truth can actually be evaluated, but at minimum, it’s useless and unproductive. 
  

“And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother. And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also.” (Genesis 38:9-10) 

Could each of you state your position on whether objective facts exist, along with a one sentence definition of objective in that context? I'm having trouble keeping track of what you're arguing over.

Nonetheless there's a chance that everything is not chaos. 

There is perhaps an overriding evolutionary certainty to everything. 

Or perhaps there isn't, in which case hope is futile.

Nonetheless hope is beneficial if it gives us a lifetime of hope.

Both individuals send 100 Jewish people off to their deaths. Both for different reasons. 

Which situation is ethically WORSE???

What the term “objective fact” means and whether X is an objective fact are two totally different conversations.

Remember when the left used to be all like:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztZI2aLQ9Sw

No, you are telling us that objective facts cannot be known, and at the same time telling us you know all about objective facts. 

I have never seen someone insinuate that the past is all qualia before. I am not positing a specific DNA sequence that belonged to Socrates, only stating that the most logical (99.9999% certainty!) conclusion is that he had one.

It is a fact that Socrates existed in that I am >99% confident that he existed, as per the historical consensus.

OPINION must be unfalsifiable, personal, experiential, GNOSTIC, qualitative (and emotionally meaningful) (aka NOT fact) QUALIA

Is this just your opinion, or is it a fact?

facts must be verifiable, quantifiable, empirically demonstrable and or logically-necessary

Please verify, quantify, and demonstrate why this is a factual statement.

Imagine if /  when,  we started ,   Human sacrifice    /  offering stuff to the gods. 

Imagine if it uncannily looked like it ummmm. Like it worked. 

Imagine witnessing ten babies getting thrown off a cliff ,  then it rains  for a week. 

everything you know is "map"

therefore, you cannot know "objective facts"

If you can't know objective facts then why are you telling us about objective facts

No.  That is an honest assessment of the Great Barrington Declaration.

I wouldn't say that my understanding of telephones isn't knowledge, even though it's incomplete.

I believe that the rules are the rules. I am not sure that is the same as believing in the apex strictest rules being in place.

I don't know, maybe something called the rules.

"deliberately infect" is my editorial comment

Everyone here is a bot except me? That's the one.

RM as a mod-approved prank, and this is the reveal? That would honestly be hilarious, but that's way out of left field.

Someday, we may be able to more directly observe whatever phenomenon is confounding current models

perhaps it might be useful if you might be kind enough to provide a few examples of "facts" that you do NOT think qualify as "objective facts"

Nothing comes to mind. Something that I might consider an objective fact like "God does not exist" is a statement of belief. In reality, my belief is either true or false. The statement "K_Michael believes that God does not exist" gets fuzzy really quickly though. A more intangible statement would be "KM is not afraid of the dark," because while my conscious brain is capable of rationally reasoning that my dark room is overwhelmingly likely to be safe just as my room is when lit, there is still a subconscious part of my brain that is hardwired to be more cautious and afraid of the dark, due to evolutionary pressures mostly relating to nocturnal predators. And this subconscious part of my brain can have a measurable impact on my body, such as an increased heart rate, so it definitely exists.

I'm still not sure I would characterize the statement "KM is not afraid of the dark" as being subjective though, merely overly broad, like saying gas cars don't use electricity, even though most do.

Objective doesn't mean verifiable. For instance, we will never be able to know, much less verify, what Socrates's exact DNA sequence was, but that doesn't mean that there wasn't an exact answer that existed in reality.

I adhere to "the map is not the territory."

The only place that shoe wearing data exists is in your head, rather than as an actual fact upon your foot.

Tolerance and respect of differences only works if all parties are tolerant and respectful of differences.

Whether or not I ever "know" or "verify" a fact, the fact already exists in reality.

perhaps what you're thinking of as "objective fact" is actually more precisely described by the term AXIOM

An axiom is defined as "a statement or proposition which is regarded as being established, accepted, or self-evidently true." This is totally different from the definition that I gave, that each fact I listed is true independent of individual thought (i.e., not influenced by properties of the observer.)

none of your examples are "independent of individual thought"

yes, they are. They are true independent of what any individual thinks.

Floyd consumed the fatal dose of fentanyl/meth after he tried to pass off the fake $20 while sitting in his car with his drug dealer. He didn't want to get caught with drugs on his person, yet again, so he ate it. He admitted to it when they were trying to arrest him. He was also experiencing respiratory problems before they even pulled him out of the car. His complaining about breathing was heard on the bodycam as the police opened his car door. 

But the 11 nanograms per milliliter of fentanyl is rather important, inasmuch as the chief medical examiner called this “a fatal level of fentanyl under normal circumstances,” saying, “deaths have been certified with levels of 3.”

Don't get me wrong, I think it would be hilarious if the entire George Floyd thing was a sham, just as how it would be funny if the moon landing was actually faked, but thus far I'm not convinced. 

Objective: of, relating to, or being an object, phenomenon, or condition in the realm of sensible experience independent of individual thought

"ignorance exists in the map, not in the territory. If I am ignorant about a phenomenon, that is a fact about my own state of mind, not a fact about the phenomenon itself."