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@Tarik
because you continue to insist that there is some "objective fact" that is not "context sensitive" (identical to all possible observers)And what are you insisting? That everybody’s the same?
i'm simply pointing out that there are precious few if any "facts" that are impervious to context
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@zedvictor4
Even a seemingly instantaneous repetition of data from a narrative source, is still subject to
sample bias
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@thett3
i wouldn't be opposed to a limit of 5 new topics per day, per category
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@oromagi
- Certainly, Dionysian cults, Imperial cults, Cargo cults were all considered orthodox and genuine in the context of their time- they were only considered cults by the standards of later religions.
primo
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@K_Michael
do you have a few examples of "facts" that you personally consider "objective" ?Water freezes at ~273 Kelvin at 1 atmospheres.An oxygen atom has 8 protons.There are more people in China right now (2 November 2022) than in France.Neon gas emits visible light primarily at 585 and 640 nmI am (as of writing this) not wearing shoes.
these are good examples of what we commonly refer to as "facts"
however, there are a few problems with calling them "objective" (identical to all possible observers)
sea water may not "freeze" at ~273 Kelvin at 1 atmospheres, and (ALSO) without proper equipment, this "fact" is not verifiable, and (ALSO) historically, let's say 2000 years ago, this "fact" is not verifiable, and therefore does not qualify as "identical to all possible observers", and (ALSO) this "fact" is incomprehensible to say, a fly or a donkey
an oxygen atom has 8 protons, this requires specialized equipment and is therefore not verifiable to all humans and clearly not "identical to all possible observers"
i am personally unable to verify the "number of people in China" and although there are precious few people here who would dispute this particular "fact", there are people on earth who have never even heard of "China" or "France" and therefore this "fact" does not qualify as "identical to all possible observers"
and as far as you personally "wearing shoes" or not, that is absolutely unverifiable by anyone not in your immediate vicinity, and therefore does not qualify as "identical to all possible observers"
It is important to maintain a constant awareness of and vigilant respect of our epistemological limits.
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@Tarik
do you have a few examples of "facts" that you personally consider "objective" ?Why are you asking me this?
because you continue to insist that there is some "objective fact" that is not "context sensitive" (identical to all possible observers)
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@Public-Choice
This has major Scriptural problems for clear reasons,
well stated
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@thett3
making the block function remove the blocked user from the view of the blocker, would SOLVE "problems" like this
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@thett3
the low effort threads are a problem
please explain exactly how this is a "crisis" ?
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@thett3
which is very disappointing in a field that’s supposed to prioritize truth above all things.
bingo
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@TWS1405
the italians want to live in an italian neighborhood
the russians want to live in a russian neighborhood
the vietnamese want to live in a vietnamese neighborhood
the haitians want to live in a haitian neighborhood
the jamaicans want to live in a jamaican neighborhood
and they tell us that black students do better in school with black teachers
doesn't this translate logically to everyone else as well ?
sense of community
is like a sixth sense
food and language
cult(ure)
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@SkepticalOne
Physical "attractiveness" has ZERO to do with intelligence, compassion, empathy, courage, etc. etc. etc.Agreed - and that's the point: These attributes stand apart from attractiveness and add value to humanity nonetheless.
general attractiveness does have a sizable effect on an individual's world-view and can impact one's educational opportunities for example
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@sadolite
Actually you are wrong, there are ugly people and there are attractive people in appearance. It is absolute undeniable fact. It isn't some made up social construct.
well stated
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@TWS1405
There just are too, far too many fucking UGLY people in this world.
great idea
let's change the conversation
nobody can say "race" or "racism" ever again
we'll just start saying "UGLY" versus "PRETTY"
everyone hates "UGLY" and everyone loves "PRETTY"
one example of this is that courts routinely give lighter sentences to people who are considered "PRETTY"
and harsher sentences to people who are considered particularly "UGLY"
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@Tarik
An objective fact is the same IN ANY CONTEXT, I don’t know why you insist on making simple concepts like this so complicated.
do you have a few examples of "facts" that you personally consider "objective" ?
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@K_Michael
Not sure how it got to objectivism when it started out about humanism though.
humanists claim to "care about humans" which naturally leads the course of the discussion to ETHICS
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@Tarik
tell me what your god wants me to do3 how many times are you going to say the same thing?
maybe until i get an OBJECTIVE answer
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@Tarik
An objective fact is the same IN ANY CONTEXT
tell me what your god wants me to do
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@oromagi
A religion or religious sect generally considered to be extremist or false
in stark contrast to all those "100% true religions"
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@Shila
always attack the speaker and never the argument itself
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@badger
always attack the speaker and never the content
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@oromagi
once again, attacking the source without disputing the facts
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@oromagi
Your point is obscure at best.
the Pentagon Papers had demonstrated, among other things, that the Johnson Administration had "systematically lied, not only to the public but also to Congress."
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@oromagi
True but there's not much public policy can or should want to do about that. Mothers are going to keep their kids from watching X rated movies. Amazon is going to fire union organizers. Disney's going to fire Gina Carano. Trump is going to kick his critics off Truth Social. Most censorship in the US is not subject to public regulation and I don't think we want government to stick its nose in and decide what's right and wrong or force companies to endorse opinion contrary to its branding. The document in question seems to be on the right side of government non-interference.
i'm not the one arguing in favor of "government interference"
it's more of a social symptom
demonstrating a somewhat surprising lack of faith in "the marketplace of ideas"
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@Lemming
generally, an idiot who kills someone accidentally
is more of a "danger to society"
than someone who kills a specific person for a specific reason
also,
any system of justice that relies on divining someone's unquantifiable "intent" is functionally indistinguishable from witchcraft
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@oromagi
The US does not censor RT:
censorship takes many forms that are not exclusively by the command of the federal government
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@oromagi
That's quite an extreme point of view. I don't know how one tells the truth on the internet without mentioning disinformation on a pretty regular basis. Do democracies have an obligation to inform their citizens and if the answer is yes, how does one keep people informed without separating the facts of public policy from lies?
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@oromagi
Your interpretation of this declaration's intent seems baseless and paranoid.
any mention of "disinformation" is a red flag
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@Public-Choice
And I don't even really trust RT any more than any other news outlet.
i first ran across RT when i was looking for news articles discussing how much slave labor is used in the production of chocolate
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@Greyparrot
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@Yassine
and am shocked Tate converted, it seems to be a marketing ploy so that he now can appeal to the Muslims viewers more as he's been chased off of Western ones.- This is beautiful.
yep
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@K_Michael
this very well could all be some sort of manifestation of brahman's eternal dream
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@Public-Choice
Globally, we are witnessing a trend of rising digital authoritarianism where some states act to repress freedom of expression, censor independent news sites, interfere with elections, promote disinformation, and deny their citizens other human rights. At the same time, millions of people still face barriers to access and cybersecurity risks and threats undermine the trust and reliability of networks.So they basically denounced censorship by China and Russia and then said they can censor whatever they want. This is a censorship partnership. That is all this is.
that's why RT is now banned, because "censorship bad"
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@K_Michael
Could I please have a real physics textbook?
i guess morpheus doesn't have any engineers on their team ?
look,
we don't know how this thing works, at a fundamental level
we don't know how gravity works
we certainly don't know how dark matter and dark energy works
heck, even particle physics, which is an extremely practical framework, is a broad oversimplification
this very well could all be some sort of manifestation of brahman's eternal dream
and denial of that very real probability does not buy you any advantage logically or philosophically
i mean,
false confidence, and 100% "certainty" about "reality is really really realzies" will, in many cases, yield social benefits
but if that's what you're aiming for
you probably shouldn't engage epistemological questions
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@K_Michael
Solipsism is almost always a hypocritical belief.
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This absolute is indeed irrational because we all know that once you are born the right wing couldn't give the slightest shit about you.
bingo
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@K_Michael
Generally, the starting premise is taken to be Cogito er go sum.
(IFF) i think (THEN) i know that something ("the thinker") exists
this i cannot doubt
(IFF) i know some things (THEN) i also do NOT know some things
at that point, it is an ontological choice to categorize the things i currently do not know, along with all the things i will never know into the term NOUMENON
NOUMENON includes the logically-necessary causal singularity from which all events spawn
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@K_Michael
I've never personally reached an absurd conclusion through logic.
do you have any thoughts regarding solipsism ?
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@K_Michael
A perfectly logical conclusion would be one that can be derived purely from logic. Er go, your "logic zombie" would be capable of reaching it.
well, you do need some sort of premise
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@Greyparrot
Sounds like a sound remedy for the unabated authoritarianism America is under the grip of right now.
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does anyone remember how the media flipped out when Cassius Clay changed his name to Muhammad Ali after he converted to Islam ?
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@Lemming
One way to win quest was to discover this sabotage.
i love it
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@SirAnonymous
As a reptile myself, I can confirm that we rule the world. However, we haven't bothered with experiments in ages. The way to rule the world is to distract humans with cat videos and memes. Then we can do pretty much anything we like.
bingo
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"NOTE: Bots, corporate accounts, and multi-accounts of banned users are not considered legitimate users by moderation and will thus be met with an immediate permanent ban."
so, basically, https://youtu.be/Umc9ezAyJv0
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is there something in the rules that says "no bots allowed" ?
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@Intelligence_06
Why do we care especially so much about whether Shila is a bot or not?
no kidding
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@K_Michael
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@K_Michael
I've used GPT-3 extensively (I was granted beta access this spring). It's incredibly good, but there are a lot of things it still reliably messes up.
are you familiar with LaMDA ?
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@K_Michael
You can't punish someone for being evil
"punishment" is misguided and almost always causes more harm than good to everyone involved
the aim should be to "mitigate harm"
you don't have to personally blame a rabid dog for their life-choices in order to recognize the rabid dog is a "danger to society" and take some humane measures to reduce that "danger to society"
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@K_Michael
I've seen a lot more people who try to excuse morality instead. "I don't have free will, I can't help being an asshole/criminal. You can't punish someone for being evil if it 'isn't their fault.'" Empathy is more important to me in terms of vindictiveness and dispensation of justice.
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