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@Kritikal
when gender apparently has nothing to do with physical attributes,
great point
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@Double_R
And even if it were, that only works against your argument because I fear for my safety every time I find myself within proximity of someone carrying a tool that can end my life at any moment of their choosing. Do I not have the right to be free from that? Or does fear only work one way?
exactly
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@Double_R
Then how does this work? What belief system do I need to have in order to think for myself? Tell me so I can adjust my positions to whatever you say they need to be.
well stated
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@TheUnderdog
What about all the times the Bible contradicts its self?
exactly
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@John_C_87
After conception the process of abortion is over for the women and a female-specific amputation is the medical term for treatment by medical staff as a truth, as a fact, and as a whole truth.
well stated
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@semperfortis
i'm saying, that EITHER WAY
all roads lead to monism
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It is just insane to me unless her life is at risk or rape keeps traumatising her and it is within the first 3.5 months (really 2 months should be sufficient).
roe v wade is not about "morality"
roe v wade is about medical privacy and the limits of government interference
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@TheMorningsStar
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it's another, very similar type of test that is generally preferred by those who dismiss MBTI as "unscientific"
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@TheMorningsStar
shared properties is a logical prerequisite for interaction
if you can think of a "better" "non-physical" example, please feel free to reveal it at your leisure
for example,
if "spirit" or "ghost" or "mind" CAN interact with "body" then they must necessarily share EITHER a direct property OR an indirect property
for example,
if "spirit" cannot interact with "body" BUT can interact with "metaphysical substance" AND "metaphysical substance" can interact with "body"
THEN both "spirit" and "body" share the property of - being able to interact with "metaphysical substance" (which is a shared property)
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@TheMorningsStar
but that is a claim/assumption on your part
no, no it is not
it is very basic logic
some particles strongly interact (because they share more common properties)
some particles weakly interact (because they share fewer common properties)
neutrinos and gravity waves are examples of weak interaction
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Especially as children, INTPs often feel that they are rebuked for debating or questioning traditions and rules, when in fact they are not very combative people by nature. INTPs don’t want to push their agenda on others or force others into their way of thinking; they are independent and believe in “living and letting live.” But they’re also unwilling to compromise just to reach a consensus with others – if it doesn’t make sense to them, they can’t go along with it.
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@Benjamin
that doesn't take away from the fact that the police will show up and remove people from their homes, lock them up or shoot them.
great point
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@TheMorningsStar
It does certainly leave the mechanism behind dualism incomplete
that's not my claim
my claim is that "mind" and "body" very obviously interact
this really shouldn't be in dispute by either side
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@zedvictor4
Money.........The Supreme reality of human society.
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@Greyparrot
OR maybe cities tend to lean democratic
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@TheMorningsStar
in what (hypothetical) system do fundamentally dissimilar phenomena interact ?
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@Theweakeredge
Yes, I wasn't disagreeing? Why is this here?
please be slightly more specific
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@TheMorningsStar
which means that by pure logic, we know beyond any doubt, that they are both aspects of one "substance"
two things that are fundamentally independent cannot interact in any way
they cannot even detect each other
therefore
(IFF) two things CAN interact (THEN) they must necessarily share some fundamental similarity
they must be part of the same system
therefore, monism
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@TheMorningsStar
but do holes exist?
holes do not "exist" in the same way that concrete nouns "exist"
"consciousness" is not some kind of "ultimate mystery"
"consciousness" versus "physical" is as easy to understand as software versus hardware
and beyond that, we don't need to know exactly how "consciousness" interacts with "physical"
because we know that it does, in-fact, interact
which means that by pure logic, we know beyond any doubt, that they are both aspects of one "substance"
therefore, monism
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most aborting mothers are sociopathic, like easily over 80%.
citation please
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@TheMorningsStar
you have made a category error
a hole is not a substance
a hole is a description of a "lack of" substance
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@coal
The facts of that case should nauseate any decent thinking person.
100%
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@Greyparrot
Can you slaughter your own animals in us?
A slaughter licence is not needed when slaughtering your own animal for your own consumption or consumption by your immediate family who live with you. However, certain operations both in slaughterhouses and when carried out on farms for the purpose of killing animals require a certificate of competence (CoC). [**]
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@Greyparrot
44 states prohibit some abortions after a certain point in pregnancy. [**]
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@Greyparrot
Twenty-two states limit abortion after a baby becomes viable outside of the womb [**]
I don't believe 22 states ban cattle slaughter.
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@Greyparrot
A fetus is involuntarily incarcerated without due process.
it is also a squatter, living rent-free
it is also an uninvited guest who refuses to leave
it is also an illegal immigrant, due to be deported
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@Intelligence_06
What are those pro-lifers striving for again?
they claim they don't want any children to suffer
but i have to wonder why there are so many disabled children who never get adopted
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@Intelligence_06
why bother "the government" with ECTOGENESIS
if these conservative "pro-lifers" put half of their energy and fund-raising behind serious ECTOGENESIS, "the solution" could be ready in less than two years
you really want to save the unborn ?
open a clinic where you can take out the fetus and keep it alive
do that
and NOBODY will ever murder another baby, EVAR
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@Greyparrot
Doctors readily agree that a fetus at 20 weeks and even earlier will pull away from a pin prick or other “noxious stimulus.”
so will a cow
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@Greyparrot
The human fetus should have more rights not less in a society that cares about passing on life on a dying planet.
HOW IS MY PREGNANCY ANY OF YOUR BUSINESS ?
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@Intelligence_06
I don't know, place the fetus in another specialized liquid so it can keep living?
ECTOGENESIS FTW
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@Reece101
Too many external factors. That’s one issue. What are you trying to show?
(IFF) "performance based pay" is good for one group (THEN) "performance based pay" should be good for other groups
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@Greyparrot
animals we typically keep as pets (except rabbits and mice and rats among others) have "more legal protection" than embryos because (most) people make decisions based on their personal emotions instead of logic
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@Greyparrot
if 15 embryos are on a plate, they are already dead
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@Greyparrot
A fetus is involuntarily incarcerated without due process.
they are free to leave anytime they wish
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the right to self-ownership, bodily-autonomy, and medical-privacy are basic human-rights
it is impossible to ENFORCE an "abortion ban" without violating these rights
"morality" is not the purview of "the law"
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I am a progressive and prison inmates have done more to deserve their situation than a fetus has.
(IFF) you only support human-rights for "nice people" (THEN) you don't support human-rights
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@Lemming
I'm not saying there 'isn't an example, several come to my mind, but I'm curious what's on yours
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@Lemming
I don't care for that ruling, myself.
and "the right" has never done anything to fix it
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@Greyparrot
If you were in a burning building, would you rather save a plate of 15 embryo's or 1 cat.
an even better question
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because if the right to fair and merciful treatment is defined by ability, we ought to be sociopathic in other ways as a society too,
we already are
you don't see these "pro-lifers" rushing out to provide basic services to the homeless, or prison inmates, or immigrants
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so in your eyes someone in a coma isn't alive because of dependency?
a close family member can legally "pull-the-plug"
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@Bones
If you were in a burning building, would you rather save a plate of 15 embryo's or 1 toddler. You can only save one (of the two)
great question
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@Theweakeredge
Every cell of pregnant woman is an organism of her body ergo the fetus/baby is also an organism of the pregnant mother to be.
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@Greyparrot
allow me to cut up my cat
just like you can with a cow or a pig
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@Lemming
I'm not saying there 'isn't an example, several come to my mind, but I'm curious what's on yours
Wickard v. Filburn
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@Lemming
The Right, vote on more a state by state basis, number of laws that divide a fair bit based on values, leave people alone in their private lives.
No, "the right" certainly does not "leave people alone in their private lives"
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