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@n8nrgim
you're speaking in vague generalities
on a policy issue
policy requires quantifiable standards
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@Greyparrot
Mob intimidation and public executions didn't work out so well for France, Ireland, or Al Capone.
wait, you forgot SICILY
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@n8nrgim
that doesn't mean that all young adults are mature enough to have a gun.
ACCORDING TO WHAT STANDARD ?
WHAT STANDARD ARE YOU PROPOSING ?
WHAT STANDARD ARE YOU PROPOSING ?
WHAT STANDARD ARE YOU PROPOSING ?
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@Kritikal
invented our modern day education systemto train children for factories. In this day and age nothing good has come of elementary school. It teaches children to listen to authority without any question,
well stated
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@Kritikal
the aztec's were very religiousYes, this was my point. It is important to look at the values/truth of different religions, and they can not all be grouped together.
ok,
let's forget about "religion" for a moment
which "values/truth" do you personally subscribe to ?
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@Kritikal
3. Aztec sacrifices were bad
the aztec's were very religious
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@Kritikal
It is more about determining the truth,
which is a pretty strange position when you're trying to defend a religion that categorically excludes all other religions
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@Kritikal
individual people who are religious tend to be less violent.
are you aware that the KKK are devout christians ?
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@Double_R
For the rest of us, our only part is deciding whether to respect it or not.
SELF-OWNERSHIP = SELF-DEFINITION
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@Kritikal
For example in ancient aztec civilization sacrifice was a common problem. Humans were put to death not only by excision of the heart followed by decapitation) but also by decapitation ( followed by heart extraction), having the throat cut, being thrown into fire followed by heart extraction), being scratched, followed by heart extraction and flaying being shot with arrows followed by heart extraction), drowning. being buried alive, and being hurled down from the top of a pole or a pyramid. bludgeon strokes, stoning, impaling, tearing out the entrails, having the roof of a house falling down on victims, and squeezing them in a net.
perhaps you're unfamiliar with Torquemada
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@Kritikal
If you are not LGBTQ+ what does it matter if someone believes in LGBTQ+ to you.Well I am religious. But that is probably the short and easy answer.
not even close
unless you are suggesting that laws should FAVOR your particular "religious preferences"
which is a de facto argument for THEOCRACY
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@Bones
that I, who lives in Australia, gets the rights of the American constitution?
all laws are bounded by geographic jurisdiction
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@n8nrgim
i dont know how u can be so dense to be dragging this out given it's so self evident. what am i missing?
it is almost impossible to find a ten year old or even a thirteen year old with a more developed prefrontal cortex than an eighteen or twenty five year old
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@Kritikal
I have, and from the rates I have seen relgious people tend to be less violent than non-religious people.
Top 10 Least Religious Countries (by percentage) - Pew Research 2020 - - https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/least-religious-countries
- Czech Republic - 78.4% - - https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/profiles/Czech-Republic/Crime - - MRPM 17.26
- North Korea - 71.3% - - https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/profiles/North-Korea/Crime - - MRPM 150.88
- Estonia - 60.2% - - https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/profiles/Estonia/Crime - - MRPM 52.23
- Japan - 60% - - https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/profiles/Japan/Crime - - MRPM 3.97
- Hong Kong (China) - 54.7% - - https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/profiles/Hong-Kong/Crime - - MRPM 2.4
- China - 51.8% - - https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/profiles/China/Crime - - MRPM 10.02
- South Korea - 46.6% - - https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/profiles/South-Korea/Crime - - MRPM 25.32
- Latvia - 45.3% - - https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/profiles/Latvia/Crime - - MRPM 31.26
- Netherlands - 44.3% - - https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/profiles/Netherlands/Crime - - MRPM 10.83
- Uruguay - 41.5% - - https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/profiles/Uruguay/Crime - - MRPM 58.82
- New Zealand - 39.60% - - https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/profiles/New-Zealand/Crime - - MRPM 8.85
- Mongolia - 36.50% - - https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/profiles/Mongolia/Crime - - MRPM 88.1
- France - 31.90% - - https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/profiles/France/Crime - - MRPM 10.54
United States - 18.60% - - https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/profiles/United-States/Crime - - MRPM 42.01
MRPM = MURDER RATE PER MILLION
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@Kritikal
No, that is something that is etymologically wrong. I am not sure what your point is here, it is entirely possible to change your name and it always has been because your name is completly abitrary (other the limits of any given language).
a pronoun is a placeholder for YOUR NAME
they are the same thing
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@Kritikal
If you are not religious what does it matter if someone belives in relgion to you.
If you are not LGBTQ+ what does it matter if someone believes in LGBTQ+ to you.
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@Kritikal
First, circumcision [...] has an actual pourpose. Beyond this, it has many scientific benefits as well.
citation please
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Responsible people have accidents and bad luck.
takes money FROM lucky people and gives it to unlucky people
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@Kritikal
The reason that it makes you sound ridiculous is because it is inherently wrong.
are you suggesting that "moon-beam" is a ridiculous sounding legal name because it is (somehow) "inherently wrong" ?
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@n8nrgim
isn't it self evident?
no, are you talking about "impulse control" or "executive function" or "prefrontal cortex development" ?
you're going to have to be slightly more specific than "some kids are smart and some adults are dumb"
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@n8nrgim
B. many adults are no more mature than minors
support this particular claim
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@TheUnderdog
Just like if I vadcation in Saudi Arabia, I’m subject to their laws even though I’m not a citizen.
just cross your fingers and hope you don't get beheaded for witchcraft
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@Greyparrot
We have used drone strikes and killed many Americans abroad in violation of many clauses.
it's almost as if an old piece of paper doesn't really really mean anything
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@Kritikal
Is the religion true, does it have good values
um, have you looked at crime rates for populations of "religious people" versus "non-religious people" ?
and how exactly do you expect to determine the "truth value" of unfalsifiable claims ?
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@Kritikal
does it teach children to mutilate themselves
there are a few that strongly encourage circumcision
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@Kritikal
but I do not think we should be encouraging it
ok, so no more images of movie stars with fake bodies [**]
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@TheUnderdog
I don’t like subsidizing others
perhaps you're unfamiliar with the tax system
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@n8nrgim
many adults are not mature enough to own a gun
what kind of test are you proposing
specifically,
in order to determine "mature enough to own a gun" ?
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@TheUnderdog
I don’t like subsidizing others
then don't buy health insurance
that's literally the only thing health insurance does
takes money FROM healthy people and gives it to SICK people
takes money FROM responsible drivers and gives it to IRRESPONSIBLE drivers
takes money FROM responsible property owners and gives it to IRRESPONSIBLE property owners
that's simply the definition of INSURANCE
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@n8nrgim
are you suggesting some sort of "citizenship test" be required before someone can be legally recognized as an "adult" ?
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@TheUnderdog
But they would be allowed to charge more for health insurance premiums if your unvaccinated or sexually active as these behaviors are costly for health insurance companies.
so, ok, no medical and or personal privacy then
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@Kritikal
they have an effect on the beliefs of little children
are these pronouns more dangerous than teaching children religion ?
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@Kritikal
and as such more people who are going on hormones and even mutilating themselves.
are you in favor of restricting all elective body-modifications ?
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@Greyparrot
Saying it's hypocritical to ensure the safety of the lives of leaders
that's not even close to my stated claim
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@Greyparrot
decentralization is the key to prosperity and liberty, not mob rule.
please explain
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@FLRW
How do you explain Robert Crimo III ?
how many crimes are committed with automobiles ?
don't you think it's time for us to require background checks and mental health evaluations and waiting periods before selling someone a one-ton plus death machine ?
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@Greyparrot
Authoritarian intimidation and public executions didn't work out so well for France, Ireland, or Al Capone.
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@Greyparrot
So much for transparency.
anonymity and transparency are not mutually exclusive
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@sadolite
Same difference, the law is still arbitrary in a Democracy.
LAW = CODIFIED MOB RULE
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@Greyparrot
Why should I rethink my stance? Venezuela and Russia have elections. Mob rule isn't a virtue.
are you a fan of monarchy, or just oligarchy ?
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@Polytheist-Witch
The second amendment is so that the people can own arms to overthrow a tyrannical government that's violating their rights.
does nobody understand jury-nullification ?
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@Greyparrot
rethink your stance on mob intimidation
rethink your stance on democracy and "reputation" and consequentialism in general
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@Greyparrot
So you think it is funny when a judge is intimidated at his house. Ok.
i think it's funny when conservatives prove they don't have any principles
i'm fully in support of anonymous judges on the supreme court
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@Greyparrot
Do you think the laws prohibiting judge intimidation at their houses should be repealed?
it's funny how conservatives are always railing against privacy, saying "you have to put your personal reputation on the line" and "everyone needs to have skin-in-the-game"
but somehow that doesn't apply whenever they don't like the consequences
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@Greyparrot
upshot here is the government is (unsurprisingly) pushing for greater restrictions on protesting in generalDo you think the laws prohibiting judge intimidation at their houses should be repealed?
people should be able to protest on public property (like a sidewalk) as long as they are not violating some ALREADY EXISTING STATUTE
for example, they can't obstruct traffic
and they can't exceed noise pollution ordinances
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@Double_R
Curious to know what everyone's thoughts are
the upshot here is the government is (unsurprisingly) pushing for greater restrictions on protesting in general
this is a rather obvious pro-tyranny direction
the most shocking thing about this entire situation is that NOBODY is talking about increasing election transparency
this should have been a top priority after the bush v gore fiasco (WHICH ACTUALLY PUT GORE IN THE LEAD AFTER A FULL RECOUNT)
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@sadolite
If this were a democracy everyone would vote on which laws would get passed.
jury nullification allows every citizen to vote on which laws are ENFORCED
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@ILikePie5
An assault rifle is a selective fire rifle that uses an intermediate cartridge and a detachable magazine. Assault rifles were first put into mass production and accepted into widespread service during World War II. The first assault rifle to see major usage was the German StG 44 [**]
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@Greyparrot
There exists no rights in any of the constitution that does not have exceptions.
citation please
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@TheUnderdog
It’s also for people you dislike.
just like free-speech
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