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@Greyparrot
citation pleaseCan you not read your own wiki source? It says it clearly he was held on parole violations.
there is a distinct difference between a "probation violation hold" and a "PENDING probation violation" and what you call "parole violations"
IFF he was convicted of the NEW charges against him, THEN and only then, would that constitute a (single) "parole violations"
IFF he was convicted of the NEW charges against him, THEN and only then, would that constitute a (single) "parole violations"
IFF he was convicted of the NEW charges against him, THEN and only then, would that constitute a (single) "parole violations"
however, he was NOT convicted of the NEW charges, specifically because the state did not have enough evidence to convict him
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@Greyparrot
Can you not read your own wiki source? It says it clearly he was held on parole violations.
no, no it does not
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@Kritikal
but a federal mandate on vaccines of any kind is tyranny. My body, my choice.
exactly
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@Greyparrot
This is actually one example of a person being held on parole violations.
citation please
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@Greyparrot
what facts are you specifically referring to?I am referring to your narrative that a person being held on parole violations was somehow unfair.
this is only one example of how someone can be held on charges that the state cannot provide evidence for
even when the state knows they do not have enough evidence to convict, they will try to get people to take a plea-deal (to cover their failure)
and continuously "re-schedule" the "speedy trial" we are all told we all have a right to
the exact same tactics are being used on the j6 participants
i would imagine you'd be somewhat concerned about the $200 a day of tax money this kind of judicial failure costs you ($140,000.00)
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@TheUnderdog
Would we let them?
the central point here
the pivotal and paramount issue at hand is
epistemological limits (aka "privacy")
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@Greyparrot
if you think there's some "other side" to the factsUnlike you , I don't pretend there is no other side to the narrative.
what facts are you specifically referring to ?
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@Greyparrot
this sounds a lot like, "no reason"This sounds a lot like "I am not interested in the other side of the story."
i'm stating facts
if you think there's some "other side" to the facts, then tell me exactly what facts you're talking around
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@Greyparrot
why was he released after 700 days WITHOUT making a "plea-deal" and WITHOUT a trial ?Why does anyone, (not just your cherry picked confirmation biased stooge) who is held on probation violations get released? Have you done more than zero research on the other side of this story? Or are you committed to a broken confirmation bias narrative with no need at all to examine the other side? I used to believe you could see all sides of a story.
this sounds a lot like, "no reason"
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@TheUnderdog
Increased taxes on the rich forces them to be charitable.
As one of the five pillars of Islam, zakat is mandatory giving; all Muslims eligible to pay it must donate at least 2.5% of their accumulated wealth for the benefit of the poor, destitute and others – classified as mustahik. It is one of the largest forms of wealth transfer to the poor in existence.
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@Dr.Franklin
What bible verse calls for open borders?
The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.
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@Greyparrot
this never happenedSo what.
why was he released after 700 days WITHOUT making a "plea-deal" and WITHOUT a trial ?
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@Greyparrot
the Board of Parole can issue an arrest warrant.
this never happened
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@Greyparrot
Here is what you can expect if you are arrested for an alleged parole violation: After an arrest, a CDCR parole agent can place you on “hold” — meaning he or she can place you in jail until further proceedings take place. Once you are on “hold,” parole staff decides if there is “good cause” to believe that you violated a law or parole condition. [**]
he was not convicted for "parole violation"
he was not being held for "parole violation"
his parole agent placed his status "on hold" for a POTENTIAL parole violation
he was held "pending a trial that never happened"
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@Greyparrot
Your thesis is misleading. If you are in prison and you punch an inmate in the nose, you don't get to complain about the consequences. Including an extended stay.
they were neither charged with nor convicted of assault
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@Greyparrot
the j6 "investigation" is complete bull-shit
i'm simply pointing out that your claim,
You can’t be held for more than a few days without being charged with a crime.
is misleading
this INCLUDES for those being held "pending trial" for j6
parroting DINDUS DINDUS DINDUS DINDUS DINDUS DINDUS DINDUS doesn't exactly "prove your point"
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@SkepticalOne
Personhood doesn't negate self-ownership of another person.
bingo
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@Greyparrot
doesn't prove anything but your confirmation bias.
i'm using this case to illustrate MY GODDAMNED PERSONAL EXPERIENCE
i personally know people who have been arrested and incarcerated for NO CRIME and denied a "court appointed attorney" because they "made too much money"
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@Greyparrot
also, he was not incarcerated for "parole violation"
he was denied bail for "potential parole violation"
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@Greyparrot
it's not a "parole violation" unless he is CONVICTEDYou clearly only read one side of that story, You are doing the same thing DoubleR is doing in this thread, pretending that there is only one side to a story.Please stop with the confirmation bias. You literally googled for something that supported your bias.
held for 700 days "pending trial" THAT NEVER HAPPENED (because the state had no evidence and therefore no case)
REGARDLESS OF WHETHER HE WAS "INNOCENT" OR "GUILTY"
you're kidding me right ?
are you seriously saying that "oh, he deserved it" ?
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@Greyparrot
there is a huge difference in the "burden of proof" between criminal and civil trialsSo you support guilty until proven innocent hearings. Please stop.
you're clearly not paying attention
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@Greyparrot
He violated parole and then had documented terrible violent behavior while in prison. Stop with the DINDU worship plse.
it's not a "parole violation" unless he is CONVICTED
and there were no charges for "terrible violent behavior while in prison"
otherwise he would have been CONVICTED of "terrible violent behavior"
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@ILikePie5
His actions were legal and Constitutional protected speech under the premises of Brandenburg v Ohio. Period. Deal with it. Your opinions don’t matter in the law. Applicability matters.
it is NOT a "criminal conspiracy" to organize a protest march
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@coal
It turns out that you have a right to a presumption of innocence until proven guilty,
there is a huge difference in the "burden of proof" between criminal and civil trials
not to mention "immigration courts" and "family courts" and "military courts" (which are basically pure scams)
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@Greyparrot
the point here, is that EVEN IFF he was 100% GUILTY, it is a travesty of justice to hold someone "pending trial" for 700 days
especially when the state knew they had no case
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@Greyparrot
You can’t be held for more than a few days without being charged with a crime (that you actually committed).
also not true
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@Greyparrot
On January 28, 2011, 258 days after his arrest, Browder appeared in court. The prosecution requested a deferment of proceedings. On June 23, 2011, Browder's record showed: "the People not ready, request one week; August 24, 2011, the People not ready, request one day; November 4, 2011, the People not ready, prosecutor on trial, request two weeks; and December 2, 2011, prosecutor on trial, request January 3, 2012."[6]
After refusing multiple plea-deals
Including "plead guilty for immediate release" - - which he refused because he was innocent of the charges
On September 23, 2012, a video was recorded showing Browder in handcuffs being assaulted by guards.[8]
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@ILikePie5
You can’t be held for more than a few days without being charged with a crime.
Kalief Browder (May 25, 1993 – June 6, 2015) was an African American youth from The Bronx, New York, who was held at the Rikers Island jail complex, without trial, between 2010 and 2013 for allegedly stealing a backpack containing valuables. During his imprisonment, Browder was in solitary confinement for 700 days. [**]
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@Double_R
The committee has always been focused on holding those responsible for this attack accountable.
why not simply open a criminal investigation ?
what exactly do you consider a "best case scenario" outcome ?
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Which quiz is the myers briggs you did
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@Intelligence_06
Discussions are really getting more civil, it seems,
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@Novice_II
That has to be some of the most incoherent nonsense I have personally observed within this forum.
please be slightly more specific
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@Danielle
Personally I don't agree with viability as the line anymore. I used to, but I really can't see a justification for the state to ever be able to force someone to host another person (or thing) inside of their body against their will. I know you'd oppose that for vaccines. Presumably you'd oppose that for microchips. Why then would it be okay to force someone to house a HUMAN BEING inside their body?I mean what if some people developed a rare tumor that scientists wanted to study, and criminalized the attempt to remove those tumors so society could research and learn more about them. That's fucked up lol. And unconstitutional. The state should not have that kind of control over people's bodies ever in my opinion, and I really think the constitution already establishes that.
well stated
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@Kritikal
"But 'you're not going to have a complete diet'"
the same thing can be said for only eating cheeseburgers
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@Intelligence_06
I think the MBTI test is just a model. No one can just categorize human beings perfectly under a single(or even 4) metric. It is a model designed to simplify things.
it's simply a snapshot - - your "personality" is not written in stone
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@Danielle
Thanks for pointing out another exception to the rule. Criminals have no autonomy.Correct, and there's no need to thank me. I've been making this point for years.
amputating the legs of all felons will very likely reduce crime
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@Barney
This logically extends to bodily autonomy. People are not property.
well stated
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@Kritikal
from your link,
"Still, if rice and beans is all you've got, it's a pretty decent choice."
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@Kritikal
protein deficiency is very serious.
please provide an example of someone who ate a diet of rice and beans and somehow magically suffered a "very serious" "protein deficiency"
i'll wait
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@coal
Laws against abortion are inherently immoral, unethical governmental overreach. There is no justification for them. There is no excuse. If you support them, you are wrong.
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@TheUnderdog
People that are bigger risks should pay more for insurance.
except for beach-front-property owners
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@TheUnderdog
I don’t like subsidizing others
all insurance "subsidizes others"
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@TheUnderdog
People that are bigger risks should pay more for insurance.
and they do
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@Greyparrot
You are today funneling much more of your tax money for unneeded vaccines than you could possibly hope to spend on sick kids.
bingo
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@Kritikal
other religions have been scientifically disprooven, while others hold many harmful views.
please elaborate
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@n8nrgim
can a person be not mature the day before
perhaps we should require some kind of test,
like a bat mitzva
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@n8nrgim
i dont know why you're pushing for proof. it's self evident. you're just being obtuse and difficult, for no reason.
you can't base a policy
on
your personal perception
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