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@Discipulus_Didicit
"I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning? Because you see it gets in the lungs, and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it would be interesting to check that."
sounds like the rantings of a lunatic
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@prefix
"Governments almost certainly originated with the need to protect people from conflicts and to provide law and order."
do you think it might be fair to say that the function of a government is to provide
(1) neutral dispute resolution between citizens
(2) protection for citizens from rival groups
(3) responsible management of public spaces and shared resources
in other words
do you think it might be fair to say a government exists to enhance the wellbeing of all citizens ?
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@MarkWebberFan2
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@prefix
forget about "utopia" for a brief moment
imagine you don't have a government
like maybe some small wild west town
why would anyone choose to start a government ?
what is the most basic advantage of having a government ?
what is the core function you would personally want a government to perform ?
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@Moozer325
Some people just aren't good at public speaking. Biden is one of them.
biden was a much better public speaker four years ago
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@MarkWebberFan2
Knowing this, how would you reply to a senior scholar of islam?
"i am unconvinced"
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@MarkWebberFan2
More importantly, knowledge within Islam is infinite, and logical contradictions won't affect the truthfulness of their word.
if you explicitly reject logic
you can't use logic to support your position
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@prefix
Which are you asking about?
imagine you don't have a government
like maybe some small wild west town
why would anyone choose to start a government ?
what is the most basic advantage of having a government ?
what is the core function you would personally want a government to perform ?
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@Mall
It isn't, that's the point. Atheists believe they are different in that regard, they're not.
it's been my experience that the theist tends to claim "objective truth"
and the atheist tends to claim "subjective truth"
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@Mall
The answer to why an atheist believes no God exist is based on his subjective experience.
how is that any different from the theist ?
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@WyIted
How could the above be systemized to my life so I can lose weight or add other discipline that is beneficial to my life?
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I agree. This was the source of confusion for 3rutal, who is apparently a lingual prescriptivist.
in other words
we all agree that inconsistency is not hypocrisy
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@prefix
forget about "socialism" and "fascism" for a brief moment
what is the function of "government" ?
how would you describe a "properly functioning government" ?
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@Mall
By why believe any god doesn't exist?
great point
i guess that's why you worship thor
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@MarkWebberFan2
Make a steelman case why life isn't valuable for the Kafirr and why life is more valuable for the follower of Muhammad/Ali.
(IFF) you believe in certain teachings (THEN) you should follow those teachings
it is impossible to create a logical argument (or counter-argument) for religious teachings
because religious teachings are NOT BASED ON LOGIC
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@ebuc
It is definition and argument based on empirical facts . You dont seem to understand both are true. Try again?
you don't seem to understand what an argument is
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@ebuc
why is this "important" ?Huh? 3RU, in your post #1 you made comments and expected fresponses and said nothing about "importance".So where is the steel man argument you offered in post #1?
i also said "present your best argument"
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@Double_R
"That’s an absurd proposal. Intent isn’t just the most basic element of most crimes, it it also the central notion that we assess in everyday life as we determine whether someone’s actions are morally wrong. Intent is the difference between a mistake and malice. It’s the difference that tells us whether someone is trustworthy vs untrustworthy. It is the difference between someone who is a danger to society vs someone who is not." [[]]
do you think that someone who doesn't think before acting is generally more of a "danger to society" than someone who does think before acting ?
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@TheUnderdog
Hypocrisy is much more strict of a definition than an inconsistency. Hypocrisy is a proper subset of an inconsistency.
invading iraq to spread democracy
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@Double_R
What does any of this have to do with our conversation? You asked me if I’ve even been accused of malice when there was none. What is your point?
obviously, you can't prove that you had no malice
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@prefix
You asked ....what is the function of "government"It appears that this has already been answered. ( SEE comment #47 above).
WRONG AGAIN.
HERE'S THE TEXT OF POST #47
OCIALISM IS NOT A FORM OF GOVERNMENT - IT IS A SYSTEM OF OWNERSHIWhether or not it is a form of government, in its execution it relies upon a strong central authority ( i.e. a government ).To wit "In a socialist system, all legal production and distribution decisions are made by the government. The government also determines all output and pricing levels and supplies its citizens with everything from food to healthcare." (1)If that government becomes strong enough, it morphs into fascism."That the National Socialists { NAZIs} embraced socialism is factually accurate. Though they did not nationalize to the extent the Leninists wanted, they did nationalize very vital industry in Germany, even if by outright intimidation rather than through the law. " (2)
NOTICE HOW NONE OF THE TEXT HERE (POST#47) DESCRIBES THE FUNCTION OF "GOVERNMENT"
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@Mall
㊙️ THE STRONGEST ARGUMENT FOR ATHEISM (TSAFA)
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@Mall
Being that proving a negative is next to impossible according to atheists, what is the sense in being an atheist?
atheists make NO claim
they are simply UNconvinced
by the claims of theists
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@Double_R
The burden of proof isn’t a matter of opinion. It falls onto the person who makes the claim, any other interpretation leads to incoherence and absurdity.
both sides make claims that demand evidence in most if not all cases
the shimmering goal is to CONVINCE the other party
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@Double_R
So what? I have no control over the irrationality of others. If you aren’t interested in being reasonable and making rational arguments I’m not interested in what you have to say.
good luck communicating with humans
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@Double_R
I think most do, but many don’t.
most will claim to
but they wouldn't know what an AXIOM was if it ripped their face off and twisted into a balloon animal
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@Double_R
I watched 9 minutes in, he didn’t say a word about it.
every single word he says relates to burden-of-proof
basically, if you don't say anything
the investigators have the burden-of-proof
but the second you open your goddamned mouth
you have the burden-of-proof
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@Discipulus_Didicit
or just don't care
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@ebuc
However, in our USA way of voting with electoral college, some states --as a person in a boat--- have more mass than the other people. Also money can buy votes.
ok, do you have a proposal to perhaps REFORM democracy ?
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@Double_R
Not watching a 2+ hour video to figure out your point. If you have one please make it.
timestamped directly to the part where a law professor explains exactly how the burden-of-proof works
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@Double_R
It’s not shifting, that’s how the burden of proof works to anyone who cares about logic and reason. Anyone who doesn’t care is not worth having a conversation with.
do you think your co-workers and friends and family "care about logic and reason" ?
do you think judges and advocates and juries "care about logic and reason" ?
in my experience, every single individual believes "the other party" bears the burden-of-proof
simply telling them that you don't bear the burden-of-proof will certainly fail to convince them
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@Discipulus_Didicit
When TheUnderdog uses the word hypocrisy here he is referring to the idea of taking positions that are ideologically inconsistent, he is not talking about mere inconsistencies in rhetoric. That is the idea I was responding to.
there is no ideology that is built from the ground up on explicit AXIOMS
every ideology is riddled with internal contradictions (and that's even if you get two or more adherents to agree on definitions)
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@Discipulus_Didicit
it is because either you are misunderstanding their reasons behind a certain stance or they are lying about their reasons.
THAT'S THE DEFINITION OF HYPOCRISY
LYING ABOUT THEIR REASONS
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@Moozer325
people only care about a candidates charisma and charm rather than their actual record
nixon destroyed jfk in the radio debates
jfk destroyed nixon in the television debates
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@Double_R
given how well these comments fit with everything else Trump has said publicly
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@ebuc
the violent tendencies of Trumpet ---{ 34 felony counts and more coming }
i guess "falsifying ledger entries" = VIOLENCE now
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@IlDiavolo
It doesn't matter how much Trump lied in the debate
not exactly SHOCKING NEWS to anyone on planet earth
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@IwantRooseveltagain
or spend years being tortured as POWs are all ‘suckers’ because ‘there is nothing in it for them
abolish the military
and make the government pay market rate for mercenaries
this is what we call "CAPITALISM"
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@ebuc
The word Universe includes is ihnerently inclusive of multi-verses scenarios, in that, all are included within catagory of a finite, Uni-verse
this is more of a DEFINITION and less of an ARGUMENT (for or against something)
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@ebuc
There can only exist five, and only five, regular/symmetrical and convex polyhedra of Universe.
why is this "important" ?
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@zedvictor4
Or more appropriately...Why do we decide to decide?
lack of confidence
when adequately trained
we act "without thinking"
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@Double_R
Answer: with the same evidence that we all use every single day of our lives to tell what the intentions of the people around us are.
shifting the burden of proof might seem like a good idea
but in the real world
it seems somewhat less convincing
to the person holding the grudge
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@ebuc
For clarity sake, in most cases, I presume that a ' hacker ' is not equal in status to a ' tax collector '.
both demand compliance
both use a credible threat of force to induce compliance
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@WyIted
i'm not available tonight, i'll watch the recaps tomorrow though
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@Double_R
have you ever been accused of malice when you intended no malice ?Yes, your point?
how did you manage to PROVE you had no malice ?
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@ebuc
Most if not all issues begin we the truth be known.
i'm not convinced the people voting for trump care about "the truth"
i mean, they believe in a magical sky-daddy afterall
that's why i was asking if you want to abolish democracy
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@Double_R
The idea here is that Russia is somehow afraid of Trump,
that's not the issue
trump probably would have agreed to keep nato out of ukraine
that's what putin said he wanted for a peace deal
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