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@Greyparrot
Disney executives have not lost one iota of their power to speak freely,
if i am investigated by the IRS, and they say the investigation is SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE I ISSUED A PRESS RELEASE that criticized a new government edict,
that doesn't magically "silence" me
but it does have a chilling effect on others publicly sharing the same opinion and or other potential criticism
an "attack on free speech" does not need to clear the bar of cutting out my tongue and breaking all my fingers
an "attack on free speech" is any retaliation by official government offices and or officers specifically as a reaction to some written or spoken (or other artistic and or crude expression of) criticism
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@Athias
there'd still be less a margin of error by going with one's presumption.
of course,
but if that individual makes their pro-noun-preference known-now
i will not presume to tell them they are "wrong" and or "inconsistent"
and i will comply, exactly as i generally do when someone points out that i have unintentionally mispronounced their name
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@Deb-8-a-bull
I'm close to positive You've killed humans before.
i am aware that i am continuously (albeit indirectly) contributing to the death of humans (by purchasing avocados and gasoline for example)
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@Double_R
That the OP attempts to frame the whole 1A violation controversy as unique to DeSantis’ actions should be an insult to everyone’s intelligence in this forum.That has nothing to do with the topic of this thread. That is purely a statement about me or more specifically what I’m attempting to do here, clearly painting me as being deceptive.
great point
i do try to steer clear of characterizing individuals and speculating on possible motives
i also do my best to avoid stating any (undeclared) speculations as if they were "facts"
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@Double_R
You cannot claim you have principals when you are so easily willing to abandon them.
“Their morals, their code; it's a bad joke. Dropped at the first sign of trouble."
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@secularmerlin
My stance remains that I am disinterested in the concept of morality and instead only in the effects of actions on human wellbeing and the public health.
what factors do you believe are worth considering when the survival of two humans and or two groups of humans become mutually exclusive ?
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@Lemming
Are you a Utilitarian now?
everyone is a "utilitarian" they are simply loathe to admit it
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@zedvictor4
Then what is UNREAL LIFE?
anything that "could happen" but "hasn't happened" and furthermore "probably will never happen"
more specifically in regard to this specifically specific conversation,
i have never and will very likely never encounter a situation where i will be forced to make a decision between committing an atrocity and NOT committing an atrocity
this stands in stark contrast to the ridiculous vitriol i actually do encounter on a regular basis regarding what i can type and what art i can share with people over the webinternets
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@ILikePie5
I apologize, I meant public criticism
did disney say something critical of desantis (or "the government" generally) before the retaliation ?
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@Athias
given that subjective and objective pronouns like, "he, she, him, her" refer to one's sex.
which between most people (who are not intimately involved) would be strictly beyond their respective epistemological limits
most people believe they can easily spot "a man" or "a woman" but this delusion is mostly a function of sample bias and a lack of disconfirmation
it's exactly like the people who say, "i can always spot a toupee, because all toupees are ugly and obvious" not realizing that they've likely encountered some number of "good toupees" which they've personally failed to identify
for example,
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@ILikePie5
Just on a side note, it’s horrible policy for firms to engage in politics.
corporations are the largest contributors to political campaigns
this of course includes news organizations
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@Polytheist-Witch
i do appreciate your patience
let me just say, i believe this topic (copyright) is a perfect example of how "morality" (which many attribute exclusively to "religion") applies to REAL LIFE.
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@Polytheist-Witch
I don't believe it all that recording music reduces live performances. One thing if an artist records albums and doesn't tour they make no money.
before radio, every decent sized town had at least 50 professional piano players that would play at local pubs and restaurants and performance halls
after radio, you're lucky if you can find 2 in the same town
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@Polytheist-Witch
most artists today will tell you that their record companies OWN all their songs and pay them a tiny fraction of a fraction of the money those songs generate
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@Polytheist-Witch
and you could pretty much sing what you wanted to and they were probably blue standards that people wanted to hear.
and those records dramatically reduced the number of local performers
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@Athias
does the state need to know this information ?No.do my co-workers need to know this information ?No.It is important to maintain a constant awareness of and vigilant respect of our epistemological limits.I agree.
ok, that's the important bit
we seem to have identified an ontological disagreement
you seem to believe that all mammals are somehow innately and fundamentally categorized as "male" and "female" and anything that either can't or won't reproduce is a malfunction of either "male" or "female" and some medical examination should presumably be made to figure out which is which (for what purpose is a complete mystery)
on the other hand,
i believe what someone looks like naked and or their preferred reproductive function (if any) is absolutely none of my business and if someone wants to be called "a man" then that's what i'll call them and if someone wants to be called "a woman" then that's what i'll call them AND if someone wants to be called anything else, they're going to have to let me know.
each person gets to choose their pronouns as an extension of their name
telling someone they are choosing the "wrong" pronoun is like telling someone they're pronouncing their own name incorrectly and you somehow know better.
anyway, i'm not offended by someone who wants to be "a man" or someone who wants to be "a woman" or anything else, (i'm certainly not going to check for myself) and contrary to what the internet wants you to think, they don't usually call the cops if you somehow guess "incorrectly"
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@Athias
and my grandmother could not have adopted to "inseminate"
cloning technology
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@Athias
would still be "men" and "women" because despite their incapacity
iff they were "normal"
ok, so, there are no "beautiful and unique snowflakes" ?
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@Polytheist-Witch
But I still feel like you know if you're going to record a song that's exactly like another song or remake a song that you should pay the original artist.
yeah, you think that, but nobody did that before 1790
the new "morality" of copyright was created out of thin air, in order to protect corporate profits (they don't give a flip about "artists")
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@ILikePie5
If it’s arbitrary, then I would agree with the doctor’s assessment.
the movie "boy's don't cry" is based on the true story of a child that was born with ambiguous genitalia
the "doctor" asks the parents if they'd like to choose one over the other, and in this particular case, (on the "doctor's recommendation" they clipped off the malformed boy bits and decided to go with "it's a girl !!!!!!!"
however, when the infant had grown into an adolescent, they chose a boy name for themself and dressed as a boy
in other words, the "doctor" made a poorly-informed "recommendation"
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@Athias
How am I "pretending"? Have I confused or manipulated the descriptions of "men" and "women" in a manner contrary to accepted standards or norms?
my question is specifically regarding (someone who never participates in that "role")
why do you feel compelled to assign "reproductive roles" to the millions upon millions of people who don't ever reproduce ?
presumably your "grandparents" have reproduced at some point, and thus have presumably adopted (if not fully embraced) the "role"
and beyond that,
why on god's green earth, would anyone (other than perhaps a medical practitioner) actually NEED to know which of your "grandparents" is XY and which is XX ??
does the state need to know this information ?
do my co-workers need to know this information ?
It is important to maintain a constant awareness of and vigilant respect of our epistemological limits.
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@Polytheist-Witch
Usually those big absolutes are immoral no matter what. But if you want to argue like little things like that we can go on all day that's fine.
yes, atrocious atrocities are atrociously atrocious
setting a 14 year limit on copyright (with one optional 14 year extension) seems reasonable to me
a coherent-moral-framework needs to be practical and intuitively applicable to NORMAL DAILY DECISION MAKING (and not just atrocious atrocities)
stealing a physical object is "wrong" because it deprives the owner of access to that object
"stealing" a song or an idea or a story does not deprive the "creator" of anything at all
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@bmdrocks21
Well, either I'm not conservative and it is, or I am conservative and that is a libertarian stance. Been trying to figure that one out.
you're right
it's probably more specifically "libertarian"
but "conservatives" loooooove to prattle on about "smallergovernmentsmallergovernmentsmallergovernment"
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@bmdrocks21
But I'm confused about why you bring up local taxes and explaining that those pay for fire department. Are you suggesting that Republicans want a fee-based system for public services?
i'm suggesting that iff a corporation, or a land owner has the wherewithal to provide the services we normally associate with a local government for themselves, on their own land, and that land is the size of a typical town or city, then don't you think it makes perfect sense to allow the land owner to opt-out of "government services" ?
also, isn't public funding for roads "socialism" ?
also, isn't public funding for schools "socialism" ?
also, isn't public funding for police and fire departments "socialism" ?
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@Greyparrot
as opposed to the abstraction "A"
ok, so you don't like indefinite articles
"THE LAW" is itself an abstraction stuffed to the gills with even more abstractions than you can count
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@Athias
how can you pretend to assign a "role" to someone who never participates in that "role" ?
also,
not every human "attempts reproduction"
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@Polytheist-Witch
But I certainly don't think that if you have a published book of recipes someone should be able to just take that book slap their name on it and publish the same exact thing.
The courts don’t necessarily consider food intellectual property. The U.S. government refuses to issue copyrights to recipes, which it describes as “a mere listing of ingredients or contents, or a simple set of directions.” Some restaurants have argued their recipes are trade secrets. A few large chains use trademark symbols on their menus, which, if enforceable, only protect the name of the dish.
Are you still thinking about which specific "coherent-moral-principle" this might violate ?
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@Athias
Have you decided on your response to my grandparents' attempt? (I told them about it, and they're waiting for you.)
is a turkey-baster involved ?
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@Greyparrot
Because abstractions have no place in a court of law.
abstractions like "motive" ?
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@bmdrocks21
It doesn’t really seem like a big government action to get rid of a preferential rule implemented by said government.
i thought "conservatives" (and by extension "republicans") would be generally in favor of letting the land owner pay for their own fire department, water and sewer, electrical grid, road planning and maintenance, and police force.
i mean, isn't that what local "taxes" are theoretically paying for ?
isn't the "conservative motto" basically "stay off my lawn" ?
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@Greyparrot
any government seizure
(in retaliation for speech)
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@Athias
Let's put it this way: if I were to tell you that my friend sam and my friend rory wanted to attempt reproduction, which one would attempt insemination, and which one would attempt gestation?
(trick question, they're identical twins, but they can still "attempt reproduction" all the same)
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@Polytheist-Witch
I certainly think if a chef has written a book about their recipes that there should be a copyright there.
the artwork and or photography and or descriptions and or stories in a cookbook can be copyrighted, but the recipes themselves cannot be copyrighted
also dictionaries cannot be copyrighted because "facts" (like definitions) are not considered "original ideas"
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@Athias
Hasn't changed the "role."
many humans never participate in the reproductive process (including caring for the children of relatives and or non-relatives)
how can you pretend to assign a "role" to someone who never participates in that "role" ?
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@Athias
well, other companies in
there is a long history in the united states of corporations owning their own towns (and paying taxes to themselves)
Hershey, Pennsylvania, was founded by Hershey in 1903 for the company's workers
Gary, Indiana, was founded in 1906 by the United States Steel Corporation
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@Greyparrot
Not if you are born in Mexico to Mexican parents. You don't get that privilege. The entire world isn't granted the right of being an American. It's why we have a border.
(IFF) one is bestowed citizenship in the USA (THEN) this citizenship is a right
(notaprivilege)
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@Athias
what do you make of those who have no reproductive capacity ?
not to mention those who are beyond their reproductive years
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@Athias
About 9% of men and about 11% of women of reproductive age in the United States have experienced fertility problems.
do you personally consider these (33 million american) humans neither male nor female ?
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@Polytheist-Witch
You don't feel the original artist is getting screwed when someone infringes on their copyright?
there is no such thing as "original" art
all ideas are "inspired" by pre-existing ideas
what we call "original" is merely a recombination of pre-existing ideas
ideas cannot be owned (ideas are NOT property)
not to mention,
The first federal copyright act was the Copyright Act of 1790. It granted copyright for a term of 14 years "from the time of recording the title thereof" with a right of renewal for another 14 years if the author survived to the end of the first term. The act covered not only books, but also maps and charts.
also,
people often try to contend that copyright breeds innovation, but this is contrary to the evidence
clothing designs cannot be copyrighted, and yet innovation abounds in fashion
food recipes also cannot be copyrighted, and yet innovation abounds in the culinary industry
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@Greyparrot
Every privilege not defined in the constitution is conditional.
RIGHTS ARE NOT PRIVILEGES
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@Deb-8-a-bull
Next week we can " TOGETHER " start this long awaited.The Writing down and the updating of the "morals "The knew TRUE standard.
(1) PROTECT YOURSELF
(2) PROTECT YOUR FAMILY
(3) PROTECT YOUR PROPERTY
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@Polytheist-Witch
and there's no reason to consider them immoral or evil because nobody's getting hurt.
for example perhaps you could comment on something like "copyright infringement" ?
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@RationalMadman
There are laws being passed in very progressive nations ti allow legally recognising trans people as their transitioned gender on legal, official documentation such as quotas and even their ID,
"THE LAW" also doesn't care if you wear pink or blue
the question here is WHY ?
WHY does "THE LAW" need to know what you look like naked ?
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@RationalMadman
If anybody falls outside of what you categorise them as vs what they say they believe,
it's a simple matter of definitions
your personal definitions of "introvert" and "extravert" seem to be somewhat different than my own
the implicit belief that words only have "one true and correct meaning" is a typical SJ characteristic
i am always very glad to find someone who self-identifies as INTP
nobody "owes" me a response, no matter how much "effort" i may or may not have made
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@Double_R
But since that has never been a thing in the US,
perhaps you've never heard of richard nixon
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@CoolApe
fiduciary obligation to their shareholders.
i'm not sure how you personally measure "fiduciary obligation", but disney seems to be doing better than most
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@Athias
Yes. So did Governor DeSantis attack Disney's free speech? Yes, he did.
100%
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