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Obviously you agree with the trolls
nope
i make a very specific point to avoid engaging in ad hominem attacks
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@GnosticChristianBishop
If subjective, as you say, then show where evil is ever on the good side of a good and evil graph.
what is the difference between a "freedom-fighter" and a "terrorist" ?
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@Username
I wonder if debate websites naturally attract these eccentric kinds of people
the ENTP enjoys challenging established ideas and also enjoys having their ideas challenged
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@oromagi
In fact, I think it would be a mistake to assume that anything written anonymously on a website reflects actual personality.
doesn't the ring of gyges reveal one's "true-nature" ?
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@Polytheist-Witch
everyone who disagrees with you is either, disingenuous, intellectually and or morally blind, purely and irrevocably dense, or pure evilz
or a troll
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@RationalMadman
Real life contradicts the dictionaries as does expert psychological analysis of variation in each myers brigg personality category.
citation pleez
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@secularmerlin
I have no one else's self interest to use as a measure. This limits my potential answer to the those humans that I have the most vested interest in.
do you generally condemn others for making decisions that are in their perceived self-interest ?
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@TheMorningsStar
Morality is subjectiveThat is quite the claim, especially given that it is well understood within the field of metaethics that moral realism is the default position (even anti-realists acknowledge this, see Dr. John Mackie).
what's the difference between a "freedom-fighter" and a "terrorist" ?
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@RationalMadman
well done buddy, you looked at a dictionary and understand people.
the dictionary contradicts your previous assertions
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@Polytheist-Witch
I any of those people entered a woman's restroom the police would be called.
even though it's not technically a crime to walk into the "wrong" restroom
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@Username
For me this website has been a formative experience where I can share my learning and purge all these juvenile beliefs that I've now outgrown into the outside world. I'm much more agnostic now, on everything.
well stated
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@Athias
So, in other words, you're not sure. And that means, you don't know.
It is important to maintain a constant awareness of and vigilant respect of our epistemological limits.
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@zedvictor4
Epistemology is a self-contradicting unnecessity.
please explain
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@Deb-8-a-bull
The video is not good enough proof for me.
i think the point is you're going to have some difficulty knowing which is which when fully clothed
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@zedvictor4
My point was, that dictionaries have been latterly adjusted without any real consensus, to accommodate the necessity and whims of a minority lobby.
you are perfectly free to compile and publish your own dictionary
dictionaries cannot be copyrighted
so that should give you a decent head-start
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@Deb-8-a-bull
A Little girl has never grown into a man.
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@ILikePie5
not all chromosomes are clearly an X or a Y
sometimes an individual may have an X with a clipped arm
sometimes an individual may have a Y with an extra stub
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@Athias
a binary system can only contain (either) a 1 (or) a 0 for each bit
a quantum bit contains a value somewhere between 1 and 0
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@Athias
the "pro-binary" camp says, "you must be 100% man (OR) 100% woman"This is counterintutive particularly in the context of genetics.
by, "counterintuitive" do you mean perhaps "inaccurate" ?
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@Athias
and/or any combination of the two
this specific point is what the majority of vocal "conservatives" are apoplectic about
the "pro-binary" camp says, "you must be 100% man (OR) 100% woman"
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@sui_generis
no reading required
let me know which one of these feels right to you
and i'm sure we can find something
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@Double_R
No one is changing the world via DART.
ideas change the world
coherent ideas change the world for the better
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@sui_generis
why arbitrarily give primacy to imaginary epistemology?
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@RationalMadman
less than 1% of all human disagreement falls into EITHER of these (mutually exclusive) categories
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@secularmerlin
If the MAJORITY AGREES is your standard then the agreement of SUBJECTS is involved. That is definitionally subjective.
a broad consensus can also be described as INTERSUBJECTIVE
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@GnosticChristianBishop
Sure. I follow the dictionary.One term, objective, applies to a tenet all the time, without exception.
you may be conflating deontological ethics with "objective moral edict"
objective is generally defined as "independent of any observer" and also "identical to all possible observers"
this makes anything that qualifies as "objective" strictly undetectable
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@coal
At this point I can't tell whether you actually don't understand the difference between what I said and what you wrote, or whether this is some idiotic game of yours.
everyone who disagrees with you is either, disingenuous, intellectually and or morally blind, purely and irrevocably dense, or pure evilz
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@Double_R
claim I’m the one not dealing in good faith
another classic "rush-to-disqualify" ad hominem
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@ILikePie5
Nothing I say or do will ever change your mind.
one might perhaps find it more entertaining to learn the mind before attempting to change the mind
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@zedvictor4
Another word hijacked by sexual variantists
who owns words ?
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@Conservallectual
The scientific part is not meant for private opinions, but the philosophical part is.
in pure logical terms
there are only two options
PROVABLY TRUE
and
PROVABLY FALSE
less than 1% of all human disagreement falls into EITHER of these (mutually exclusive) categories
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@RationalMadman
extravert - being concerned with the social and physical environment extraverted , extravertive , extrovert , extrovertive , extroverted extraversive , extroversive - directed outward; marked by interest in others or concerned with external reality
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@GnosticChristianBishop
do you agree that, "subjective" and "objective" are (generally considered) mutually exclusive ?
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@Conservallectual
So my new guideline goes like this:To support/attack a claim you must first prove/disprove it scientifically. If you can't prove or disprove an idea scientifically, you must then try to prove/disprove the idea/claim rationally/logically/philosophically.Any thoughts? Be sure to be kind when giving criticisms.
a noble effort
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@Conservallectual
by scientific I mean using the methods of the scientific method.
which works great for physics (QUANTA)
but it fails miserably when attempting to determine private opinions (QUALIA)
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@GnosticChristianBishop
I do not know what you have against the dictionary definitions,
nothing at all, some of my closest friends are lexicographers
Of course the subjective mind has to choose to make something objective.
depending on what dictionary you decide to reference,
"subjective" and "objective" are (generally considered) mutually exclusive
this would make "choosing" "to make" "something" "objective" 100% impossible
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@ADreamOfLiberty
the statement, "secularmerlin has the capacity to form opinions and acts upon his/her opinions"
is essentially an unsubstantiated claim
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@ADreamOfLiberty
"secularmerlin has the capacity to form opinions and acts upon his/her opinions"Is that a subjective statement?
the essential implication is that "the speaker" has some evidence that leads them to believe (with some level of confidence) "secularmerlin has the capacity to form opinions and acts upon his/her opinions"
instead of any number of alternatives, including, but not restricted to, a hypothesis, such as "secularmerlin is in-fact a gpt3 which apparently has an uncanny ability to emulate opinions"
and as such,
the text you quoted would clearly qualify as "a subjective statement"
unless, of course, you and i are inadvertently working with two (perhaps similar but ultimately) incompatible definitions of "subjective"
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@GnosticChristianBishop
choose to make something objective
perhaps you'd be kind enough to share your personally preferred definition of "objective" as contrasted against your personally preferred definition of "subjective"
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@Double_R
This is a debate site. The idea is you’re supposed to express and defend your view points,
well stated
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@ILikePie5
It’s only retaliation if I think it is. Every other time it isn’t
situational ethics wins again !!
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@zedvictor4
I think that there are lots and lots of animal lovers who would disagree with you.
eradication of insects (en masse) would certainly have adverse effects for human civilization on every level
swatting a few flies in your own home is likely to net a positive benefit to any and all proximate individuals
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@zedvictor4
Have you never swatted a bug?
did you miss the part where i mention "THE SILVER RULE" also has some pitfalls ?
and,
generally,
"morality" and or "ethics" apply strictly to how humans interact with and or otherwise affect other humans
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@GnosticChristianBishop
We all have different tastes. We all know this.
you'd think "we all know this" but most people i've encountered are quick to think that other people want the same things that they themselves want
Grigori Yakovlevich Perelman
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@GnosticChristianBishop
One must try to get into the judges head.
that's the very definition of "subjective"
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@GnosticChristianBishop
That s what makes it objective.
some people like doors held open for them
some people are offended when doors are held open for them
some people like to be hugged
some people do not like to be hugged
some people like to be asked questions
some people do not like to b3e asked questions
some people like their creative works to be copied and modified freely
some people do not like their creative works to be copied and modified freely
some people like to eat peanuts
some people are deathly afraid of peanuts
"THE SILVER RULE" is somewhat more practical, but still has a few pitfalls
THE UNIVERSAL MORAL CODE (TUMC)
(1) PROTECT YOURSELF
(2) PROTECT YOUR FAMILY
(3) PROTECT YOUR PROPERTY
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@Greyparrot
They are equally clear cut.
which government official publicly and clearly stated that they were taking action against trup BECAUSE of trup's criticism of government policy ?
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@Greyparrot
There are hundreds of instances of political retaliation once Trump uttered those words.
the desantis versus disney case is substantially more clear cut
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@GnosticChristianBishop
When is the Golden Rule subjective, in real sense?
it assumes that everyone likes to be treated exactly as you like to be treated
this is clearly untrue
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@Greyparrot
If this retaliation isn't a free speech violation, then no retaliation is.
are you suggesting that the investigation was initiated because trump ran for president (which could conceivably be interpreted as a "criticism of government") ?
or, are you suggesting that the investigation ended because trump ran for president (which would be the exact opposite of "retaliation") ?
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