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@oromagi
We have the same sovereign right to live unmonitored and unharrassed in our bodies, cars, apartments, etc as Washington did in his plantation home.
100% THIS
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@Lemming
If a teleporter malfunctioned,And I was half transported into your body, that we share it,It doesn't feel quite fair to me, that you should be able to kill me for that.'Especially when in time, we can be separated.
great example
but my body is like a sovereign country
you can be kicked out
for being an unauthorized immigrant
each individual sovereign country writes their own immigration policy
are we really going to force a woman to NOT drink alcohol and NOT smoke cigarettes while pregnant if they really really want to ?
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@Lemming
Many Pro Life think it's a life,Many Pro Choice think it's no life at all.
the LEGAL precedent is based on an implicit "right to privacy"
nearly all "pro-lifers" think "human from the moment of conception" but for some reason think the "morning-after" pill is somehow "ok"
nearly all "pro-choicers" think "human at some-point before actual birth" but for some reason forget the entire LEGAL precedent is based on an implicit "right to privacy"
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@Lemming
Think that it's healthier, less dangerous to society, for people to keep in society the position of sex they were born.
in light of the inevitable population collapse, it's probably better for everyone if more people choose not to engage in "traditional" male-female relations
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@Lemming
I 'imagine many Pro Choice, don't view a fetus as a human life, or sacred.
and that's the MASSIVE RED HERRING that keeps this issue in the purely emotional arena
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@Lemming
I think website or device who intentionally 'don't use such feature, could do well in business.
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@Lemming
That God is good.
everything is going according to plan
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@TheMorningsStar
if you've done nothing wrong
you've got nothing to fear
if you've something to hide
you shouldn't even be here
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@FLRW
Late miscarriage, also called second-trimester or mid-trimester loss, refers to a miscarriage that happens when a baby dies between 14 and 24 weeks of pregnancy .Will God be able to be sued now?
nope, god only gets credit for the "good stuff"
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@oromagi
- but my stance is a lot more complicated then the political exigencies of the moment
perhaps you might be kind enough to attempt a summary ?
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@TheMorningsStar
should have realized that adding nuance
you are free to introduce some nuance at any time
you have not proposed any nuance yet
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@TheMorningsStar
do you believe that google and amazon and microsoft should be required to report cases of domestic abuse they are able to detect through their always-on microphones that people have voluntarily installed in their own homes ?
do you believe that telephone companies and phone apps that can track physical locations should be required to report all movement data to law enforcement ?
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@Greyparrot
Since the Patriot Act, any FBI agent can label you a terrorist for any speech they do not like.Even if you are just an angry parent upset with the authority of the teacher's union.
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@Greyparrot
Since the Patriot Act, any FBI agent can label you a terrorist for any speech they do not like.Even if you are just an angry parent upset with the authority of the teacher's union.
yep
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@Reece101
The question of abortion rights hinges on a right to privacy
Poe v. Ullman, 1961
In Poe v. Ullman (1961), the U.S. Supreme Court declines to overturn a Connecticut law banning birth control on the grounds that the plaintiff was not threatened by the law and, subsequently, had no standing to sue. In his dissent, Justice John Marshall Harlan II outlines the right to privacy—and, with it, a new approach to unenumerated rights:
In Poe v. Ullman (1961), the U.S. Supreme Court declines to overturn a Connecticut law banning birth control on the grounds that the plaintiff was not threatened by the law and, subsequently, had no standing to sue. In his dissent, Justice John Marshall Harlan II outlines the right to privacy—and, with it, a new approach to unenumerated rights:
Since 1965, the Supreme Court has most famously applied the right to privacy to abortion rights in Roe v. Wade (1973) and sodomy laws in Lawrence v. Texas (2003). That said, we will never know how many laws have not been passed or enforced due to the constitutional right to privacy. It has become an indispensable bedrock of U.S. civil liberties jurisprudence. Without it, our country would be a very different place.
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@Tarik
Does that sound like an ethical thing to do to a woman after she just lost her child?
Ms. Lucio is facing execution on April 27 for a crime that never occurred.
n 2008, Melissa Lucio was sentenced to death in Texas for the murder of her 2-year old daughter Mariah, who died two days after a tragic fall down a flight of stairs. In shock and grieving the loss of her baby — the youngest of her 12 children at the time — Ms. Lucio was taken into police custody and immediately blamed for her daughter’s death.
The State of Texas has scheduled Ms. Lucio’s execution for April 27, for a crime that never occurred. On Feb. 8, attorneys for Ms. Lucio filed a motion to withdraw or modify her looming execution date, and on March 22, her legal team filed a petition for clemency to the governor and Texas Board of Pardons and Paroles. But Ms. Lucio’s life is still in jeopardy. On April 15, Ms. Lucio’s attorneys filed a habeas petition with the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals seeking a stay of her execution and arguing that she deserves a new trial because she is innocent and the State relied on false evidence, and hid favorable evidence, to convict her.
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@zedvictor4
We understand the basics of HOW knowledge/data is acquired, stored and remembered
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@Double_R
The whole point of freedom of speech is not to protect every demented lunatic's right to have a platform, it's to protect us from becoming Russia [or South Korea or Saudi Arabia or even North Korea] - as in a place where the government decides what news we are allowed to hear and what light those stories are allowed to be portrayed in since such treatment will always result in corruption and authoritarianism.
bingo
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@Tarik
You mean to tell me that if a woman that planned on carrying her child to term and ends up miscarrying the law should do a murder investigation on?
A 27-year-old woman in Alabama has been indicted for manslaughter after losing her unborn baby in a shooting - despite not being the shooter.
Marshae Jones was arrested on Wednesday for initiating a dispute last December that led to another woman shooting her in the stomach, local media reported.
Charges against the shooter were dismissed after a failed indictment.
Police then said that since Ms Jones allegedly started the initial argument and endangered her baby's life, she would face similar charges. Police also alleged that Ms Jemison was forced to defend herself from Ms Jones.
Pleasant Grove police Lt Danny Reid said in December: "The only true victim in this was the unborn baby. It was the mother of the child who initiated and continued the fight which resulted in the death of her own unborn baby."
Lt Reid added that the child "had no choice in being brought unnecessarily into a fight where she was relying on her mother for protection".
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@Conservallectual
According to the kalam, there can be only one itself-uncaused-and-eternal thing that causes all other things, and that first cause is God.
this seems to reduce the idea of god into some impersonal force of nature
how do you propose we connect the kalam cosmological argument and any specific god and or gods ?
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@zedvictor4
We understand the basics of HOW knowledge/data is acquired, stored and remembered
speak for yourself
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It's been both frightening and interesting to watch how open those in control are with their telling us up front both what they think of us and what they plan to do to us.
The openly (and not quite so openly) ways they have talked of depopulation is one that frightens myself. Especially more in the last two years or so with such signs as:
- The entire Covid theater where they have been caught being the bringers of disinformation. And worse, demanding compliance to measures that they admit aren't helpful yet their implementation is harmful.
- The entire biolabs research programs, with many suspecting that the U.S. itself might have been the creator of the Covid pandemic, if they are even being truthful on what is causing the Covid sicknesses. The lab in Wuhan is funded with U.S. subsidies for the express purpose of gain of function research, despite the lies before congress the Dr. Frankenstein man placed in charge of this so called pandemic, Dr. Fauci denies.
- The destruction of both energy and food supplies being purposely conducted by those who are pretending to have the peoples best interests as their jobs.
Before I move on to the Deagle report, I wish to point out two terrifying truths that should wake everyone up, but isn't.
- Fertilizer shortages will ensure that crop yields are perhaps 40% lower than we've traditionally seen.
- Multiple food processing plants have burnt down in the last six months. More than one could with any seriousness consider to be normal.
And of course we must acknowledge that the push for world economic and ecological restrictions are designed for life to thrive EXCEPT humans. In order to meet their supposed targets, there's no way we can sustain the level of world population anywhere near the current levels.
In the above link, which is a lot to absorb, I would direct your initial focus on the decline in fertility. A fact that years ago crept up on many, now is becoming more common. I believe it's safe to recognize this has been a purposeful event.
My last non Deagle point would be to mention at this point the Georgia Guidestones.
Most disturbing is the first of ten messages.
- Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
- Guide reproduction wisely – improving fitness and diversity.
- Unite humanity with a living new language.
- Rule passion – faith – tradition – and all things with tempered reason.
- Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
- Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
- Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
- Balance personal rights with social duties.
- Prize truth – beauty – love – seeking harmony with the infinite.
And rule 10
Be not a cancer on the earth – Leave room for nature – Leave room for nature.
The first message is a call for genocide. It would entail a reduction of the world population as it currently is of 93% and growing of the current world population of close to 8 billion. Of course, this also presupposes that those folks will have their ability to give birth controlled so as never to produce more children than necessary for a level 500,000,000 balance in human life.
The Deagle Depopulation Forecast
For years now those who have been investigating conspiracies have been aware of a U.S. intelligence group called Deagle.
Their ties to the intelligence community such as the C.I.A. public knowledge.
Several years ago they published a chilling world population forecast. They later revised it to still chilling numbers. And have since scrubbed much of their forecast from the internet, including the WayBack machine. I did however find this still up.
The news looks grim indeed for the United States and much of the so called western world.
To put this in perspective, here is a screenshot taken a few years ago.
source
As you can see there are, according to their forecast, much pain coming for those of us in the U.S.
As you can see there are, according to their forecast, much pain coming for those of us in the U.S.
According to the census population clock there are at the time of this writing over 332,000,000 people in the U.S.
In three more years, they are predicting a population here of 100,000,000. A reduction of over 66% in people living here.
They are also projecting GDP to fall from its current 19 trillion to 2.4 trillion.
I won't bother listing the other pain points, this is enough for the scope of this examination.
Here are some videos for those more curious.
MIT agrees only their prediction is for total societal collapse by 2040.
Editorial
I've heard many posit who are more spiritual than myself that there is some karmic law where they have to tell you beforehand. To somehow make you complicit I guess.
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I've heard many posit who are more spiritual than myself that there is some karmic law where they have to tell you beforehand. To somehow make you complicit I guess.
I have a hard time with that line of thinking due to all of the billions of casualties daily who were not made aware upfront of their impending hardships or death.
I remember a similar thought process for myself when I was quite young over the assertion the only way to heaven was through Jesus. I wondered what of the many people who hadn't heard of Jesus. Many would answer me they were safe because they couldn't be punished for their ignorance, which sounds conveniently a lot like the karmic law I mentioned a moment ago.
Without knowing for sure, I lean more towards the act of warning beforehand to be tainted a lot with cruelty.
History (and personal experience) demonstrates often one of humanities worst characteristics. To not only abuse those one has power over, but to derive so much pleasure out of it many will flex as they do so. Relishing in the pain those who are powerless to stop them exhibit.
The old rubbing salt in the wound if you would.
We've seen this in most every walk of life, in even what can be quite trivial situations.
In fact, one can quite readily see it on display in stake based systems where flag/stake nullification is allowed.
It seems that there is perhaps a narcissistic compulsion to hurt others to maintain their perceived positions of being superior. I say this as due to my perception it has appeared to me that many of those drawn to power mostly fit the narcissist profile.
I see it in the way many in what are considered positions of power display an entitlement that their lives and their opinions are much more valuable than the commoners such as myself. Believing they are the mold with which one must listen to and emulate (in words not actual actions). I say in words because so many of these fake folks are constantly being caught doing the opposite of what they pretend to do or advise their followings to do.
Much like those who are quick to wish death on their neighbors because we have to many people, yet they never seem to consider that they could put their money where their mouths are and be the first in line to creating that depopulation progress they wish would come already.
In the last years, I've watched my country grind to a halt with ridiculous, exaggerated edicts that were often contradictory and harmful to sustainability.
In the last year specifically, I've watched as every step taken that could derail the economy has been taken. From sabotaging energy, to the supply chain to our food supply.
Just as we saw with the planned 911 tragedy, this is a controlled demolition.
And there appear to be no white knights coming to save the day.
The politicians, and their private armies of law enforcement and military are not only standing down, they are actively supporting these many acts of sedition with their threats of violence.
We have entered very tough times, and I've mentioned one thing several times now.
If you tell me that you consider me your enemy, I'll believe you.
In both action and deed those who control most aspects of the societal agreement have mentioned they believe most of us an enemy when we are not useful for their plans.
I believe them, and their continued moves leave little doubt they are making their final move towards seeing that first Georgia Guidestone message become reality.
Regardless of how much weight you give to these warning that they themselves give to us I do hope you will at least understand one thing. Random or not, the coming pain that is being purposely orchestrated will ensure much hardship and death, and will see neighbors fighting neighbors over the few scraps of necessities that will be available.
Think it can't happen to you and your neighbors. The Donner Party would be a stark wake up call to understanding how far some will indeed go when they face certain death.
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@Athias
One would be the fact that there's limitations at all to the exercise of abortion. Whether it's three weeks or 35 weeks, her body is still her body.
exactly
give them an inch and you've flushed the entire plot
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Origin of punishment would be anyone that threatens to punish by violation of rights or revocation of privileges.
so, basically a parent and or a neighborhood bully
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@ADreamOfLiberty
it is better to debate him than threaten or ostracize him.
sure, as a general rule, yes
Daryl Davis is a great example for us all
however, there are many technically "unreasonable" individuals
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@Athias
With that though, I do agree with TheMorningsStar that there's hypocrisy in how "pro-choice" is legislated--particularly the limitations set on how one behaves one's body.
please elaborate
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@oromagi
which is an entirely radical new level of state intervention into the private lives of citizens.
yep
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@TheMorningsStar
it has no legal status until a magical mystical birth certificate is issued
your unproposed alternative would be citizenship at conception
which would require forms to be submitted every time someone engages in intercourse (so you don't miss any unreported pregnancies)
which would also render every miscarriage either murder or manslaughter
and since approximately 10% of (detected) pregnancies miscarry
this means you'd probably want an entire division of investigators dedicated to this task
you might call them something like OFFICIAL UTERUS INSPECTORS
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@TheMorningsStar
ogical fact is, in fact, wrong! It is merely a "potential life" and my position is woman hatred! It has nothing to do with the idea of extending the same reasoning used to justify neglect laws to the unborn, it is woman hate!Me thinking that we shouldn't encourage gender-affirming care is not due to the fact t
that should win her over
most women believe it should be their choice whether or not to allow a tumor to grow inside them
kinda like how you probably expect to be able to tell a guest in your house to leave if they've overstayed their welcome
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@TheMorningsStar
it has no legal status until a magical mystical birth certificate is issued
and
none of this is about "abortion"
it's about privacy and bodily autonomy
if you think life is so precious, help a homeless person, heck, a homeless child
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@TheMorningsStar
ity. As I said, this conversation has become boring and utterly pointless. Now, either say something actually intelligent or don't bother saying anything at all... or do what you likely w
in all honesty, i'm just trying to figure out what your position is on the matter
sure, you can say xx is not xy but unless you can SEE CHROMOSOMES (without a microscope) that little "pro-binary" argument is less than meaningless in a real-world situation (illustrated explicitly by that "meaningless" vdo)
and as for the rest of your completely off-topic response,
it is important to remember that this is a purely voluntary interaction
there is absolutely no obligation for you to reply
and there is absolutely no obligation for you to explain why you choose not to reply
if you don't want to reply, just don't reply
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@CoolApe
Ancient and Medieval philosophers had to come up with explanations for the manifestation of the "soul" and "free-will" that they thought people possessed.
yep
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@ADreamOfLiberty
should not be punished or shamed for expressing his conclusions or making arguments public or private.
ok
this seems problematic
for example
what if someone hypothesizes that i should be kicked out of town because of my skin color ?
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@ADreamOfLiberty
concerning Athens during the greek golden age.
because language never evolves
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@TheMorningsStar
I can link meaningless YouTube videos as well if you want, but we all know how utterly pointless it is already.
it's not "pointless" if it illustrates the key point of this discussion
you suggest that all humans are either 100% male (OR) 100% female
the "meaningless" video provides some real-world examples of individuals who do not fit into your paradigm
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@Reece101
The number of people that think abortion should be illegal is astonishing. There are numerous ways that that abortion is already limited by other factors in the US that are never challenged, but as soon as the discussion becomes one of nuance it is "but muh baby!" without ever making even an attempt at a half-decent argument.etc..etc..etc.
well stated
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@TheMorningsStar
without ever making even an attempt at a half-decent argument.
what exactly is the argument against self-ownership ?
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@TheMorningsStar
to show that our common ideas of how things should operate break down
wait, are you suggesting that naïve realism is NOT the ultimate truth ?
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@TheMorningsStar
who exactly argues in favor of infinite-regress ?
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@FLRW
thank you for that comprehensive reply
(IFF) two things (and or two categories of things) CAN interact (THEN) they are NOT fundamentally "separate"
this also dismantles the concept of "supernatural"
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@RationalMadman
Get a grip, thanks
"spamming garbage"
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@TheMorningsStar
they literally all actually fall within the binary already anyways
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Yes, the principal is about stopping elected officials from using the power of their office to control what information the citizenry can use to evaluate themThat may be your principle but it is not the principle of free speech.
what's the short version ?
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@TheMorningsStar
you could easily bring up actual intersex conditions
tried that already
the "pro-binary" team dismisses these as "too few to consider"
and suggests a chromosome scan
which seems both "unnecessary" and "a privacy violation"
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@zedvictor4
In so much as one either thinks about thinking, or one doesn't think.
shouldn't a person be able to identify HOW they know what they claim to know ?
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@RationalMadman
In this thread Deb 8 a bull is spamming garbage, you are doing nothing.
just because you lack appreciation for insightful commentary, doesn't automatically make it "spamming garbage"
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@Deb-8-a-bull
As a fellow site member, please continue your insightful commentary.
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@oromagi
thanx
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@RationalMadman
It exists outside your armchair psychologist dictionary. Meet people, get to know them.
in other words, if i knew the people you think you know, then you think i would agree with you ?
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