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@zedvictor4
Protect yourself, only requires the consensus of one....So not a consensus really.
try and find an example of a society where the majority agrees that people don't have the right to protect themselves

Protect your family, depends upon the integrity of the family.
each individual defines their "family" differently, it's not necessarily "blood"

corporations and military organizations often co-opt the idea of "family" like the mafia

Protect your property.....In the face of extreme adversity, you either fight or flea.
property is third on the list

the first two take priority
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@sadolite
you steel what I made and  I'll kick your fucking ass or kill you. Figuratively speaking.
so, like the epic legends and popular songs like the "happy birthday" song ?

do you believe their creators went around kicking everyone's arse ?
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Should the world become one nation?
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@TheUnderdog
Fair point, but it's mutual.  So you can coerce another country and they can coerce you.  We also get cheaper goods.
are you familiar with the opium wars ?
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@TheUnderdog
so why should countries be?
so they are insulated from coercion
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FDA loses legal bid to suppress Vaccine data for 75 years.
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@FLRW
which is why they're easily fooled with antivax stuff.
being anti-mandate and pro-voluntary jab

is NOT "antivax"
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@Incel-chud
Why not just process it upon request and immediately copy and paste the text and email it out. Why would that take more than 30 seconds to send out a PDF? 
well stated.
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@TheUnderdog
The guy in the video is claiming that anti covid vax people are being censored (when they aren't).
yes, yes they are
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@sadolite
All I can say is copyright and intellectual property laws make stealing art that has been registered a crime. I really don't give a shit about nonsensical blather arguments that wont hold up in a court of law. Steal at your own risk and don't cry if you get caught. "Don't do the crime if you cant do the time"
what is the "moral theory" that supports "idea ownership" ?
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@jaishawnemmette4
writes, what ever, "he" is against sex. So how come he was engaged with a female for ever ..? Because only some spirits within wrote that about freedom, the others engaged sex or enforced it and misused that inspiration. And instead of bragging - which you endorse you know shame on you bad boy - concerned kindreds should have used conscient inspiratio
are you using a gpt3 text generator ?
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@TheUnderdog
sink all boats

cut all intercontinental communication cables

What you propose goes too far I think and harms the citizens too much of these countries.
don't you believe that a country should be able to support itself ?
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@zedvictor4
Can you think of anything that has complete consensus?
(1) PROTECT YOURSELF
(2) PROTECT YOUR FAMILY
(3) PROTECT YOUR PROPERTY
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@Greyparrot
Anti-authority doesn't mean anarchy either. Do you need help here?
anarchy doesn't mean "no-rules" either.  do you need help here ?
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@ebuc
i guess nobody should ever protest anything the government does
LCZ, Ive never made any such suggestion and your Covid paranoia
when is it "appropriate" to protest ?
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@jaishawnemmette4
Surely yes they live.
phenomenal
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@ebuc
Jan 6th insurrection to overthrow election results and  threaten and physical attack congress of USA
i guess nobody should ever protest anything the government does
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@Earth
the housing issue because "a wife, two kids, a house with a lawn" is the right's Earthly Heaven.
yep.
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How do you know wat's tru?
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@Outplayz
I believe everything is true and i can fully make sense of that. Think marvel universe (one part of my religious text)... i can make it all make sense, but why are we so unwilling to compromise for this belief... imho, the tru spiritual belief. To set aside what i want everyone else should be... is so easy for me. I enjoy what you are, without it effecting who i am. 
i was about to respond to this with a definition of truth

but then i noticed it was you
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@Dr.Franklin
unrestricted freedom
how much restriction do you personally believe is optimal ?
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@Dr.Franklin
true, but it leads many people down dangerous paths just because you have liberty to do so
FREEDOM = EVIL
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@thett3
had changed it to a Ukrainian flag as I drove by I burst out laughing. It’s just so predictable. 
it makes me wonder why nobody was flying the syrian flag when those refugees were fleeing from RUSSIAN bombs
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@Dr.Franklin
Perfectly said. Liberty always devolves into "liberty to do whatever I want i.e drugs, porn, etc"
not "always"
when does it not
there are quite a few free-thinking-skeptics who have not become homeless junkies
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@Dr.Franklin
Perfectly said. Liberty always devolves into "liberty to do whatever I want i.e drugs, porn, etc"
not "always"
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@thett3
Whereas the conservative when confronted with the negatively of the world turns inward, or attempts to address things locally.
just like george bush did when they jumped into iraq
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@triangle.128k
I think that demonstrates an inherent flaw with the "marketplace of ideas" and liberal democracy.
would you rather we sheepishly submit to secret backroom deals struck between monied elites ?
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atheism is irrational
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@Athias
yes, your eye is not your nose
The distinctions of which are determined by their primary functions, not their connection, correct? And those functions are independent of the other, yes? Though, I suppose one could argue olfaction can modulate visual perception.
if your food looks good, but smells like rotten roadkill, you might not want to eat it
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@Athias
the ONLY way a god can interact with humans

is

(iff)

those humans are PIECES OF THAT GOD
Please explain.
what is your personally preferred definition of god ?
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@bmdrocks21
No, I don’t waste my time trying to change the minds of people that block me. Blocking just shows me upfront that you won’t meaningfully engage with and consider anything that I say
but apparently you are moved to action when taunted
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@RationalMadman
Could you give me some examples of right-wing INTPs?

INTP is the most likely to identify as "independent" (49%)
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@Lemming
old ronnie thinks there's a difference (between) corporations being controlled by government (and) government being controlled by corporations

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@thett3
INTP versus ESFJ

intp can be found in both "left" and "right" circles

esfj can be found in both "left" and "right" circles
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@Sum1hugme
The math part is figuring out how many minutes that many seconds is 
if you right-click a youtube vid and select "copy link at current time" it creates a link with a number at the end of the URL

you can change that number to set the link to start playback at any point you wish
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@ebuc
does it seem strange to you that the police did not enforce the law of the land when their employers were in violation ?
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@ebuc
also redacted ergo end of lawsuit against the NSA by it former employe's
whowatchesthewatchers
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@TheUnderdog
Here's my rough draft for how to get the middle east to outlaw marital rape:

If the countries where marital rape was banned only buy their oil from other countries where marital rape is banned (like Canada , the US, Australlia, Latin America) (since the middle east needs western money) and if companies are banned from buying oil from countries where marital rape is legal (kindof like what's happening with Russia right now, but this would happen after the Russia Ukraine war), this would lead to the countries banning marital rape to get that oil money.  Middle eastern countries want western money and I think they are willing to prosecute marital rape the same way as rape to get the money from oil buisiness.

Thoughts?
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@sadolite
I can only imagine how many subjectivists demanded other people wear masks. Ya, fuck you and your masks. Who in the fuck are you to tell anyone anything? Who gives a shit weather you live or die?  Objectively speaking, you are just one less mouth to feed if you do die. Who cares why you die?
obviously you care about your own "in-group" and you don't care about your "out-group"

just like every animal and every human who has ever lived
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@sadolite
Why should anyone? And what the fuck makes you think anyone should?
in order for any society to function

there must be some durable illusion of (moral) consensus
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@sadolite
I don't give a fuck what bothers you or hurts you or kills you.
that certainly sounds "objectively moral"

is that a bible quote ?
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@sadolite
Fuck you and the horse you rode in on to all the subjectivists in the world.
ok ?

are you the only "objectively moral" human on the planet ?
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@sadolite
What fucking subjective philosophy following  asshole thought they could write a law to apply to all people  and better yet thought they could punish anyone forbreaking that law.
LAW = CODIFIED MOB RULE
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@sadolite
Which brings me to the question of why are there laws and punishment?

for the exact same reason that chimpanzees attack a troop member who gives a false warning

humans can only survive as a member of a group

and acting against the trust of the group results in various degrees of exclusion
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@sadolite
History shows that civilizations can never last when everyone is allowed to believe what ever they do is not wrong or right but only subjective.
can you be slightly more specific ?
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@sadolite
Punishment and right and wrong are not the same thing.
are they peripherally related in some way perhaps ?
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@sadolite
Those who would punish you for murder couldn't even tell you why its wrong. Most people don't murder because of fear of punishment, not because they think its wrong. Murder can never be wrong in a civilization that adopts subjectivity as its primary philosophy to everything.  Nothing anyone does is ever wrong.  It kinds makes me laugh when people who subscribe to the subjective philosophy get upset if some one robs them, rapes them or kills one of their friends or family members. No one can do no wrong, what the fuck are you crying about?
what's even more hilarious is someone who thinks their own private ethics are the only "true" code of ethics

do you perhaps believe adulterers should be stoned to death ?
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@Athias
That's not what I meant to request. I'm aware of aphophasis and phaneron. How does your qualification of phaneron as aphophatic create an equalivalence to one's mind?
think of a sponge

throw that sponge into a river

that flows into the ocean

how much information remains in that sponge

when it is old and crumbles to dust
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@Athias
what's the utility in a god that neither detects nor interacts with reality?

the ONLY way a god can interact with humans

is

(iff)

those humans are PIECES OF THAT GOD
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@Athias
can we render distinction without independence?
yes, your eye is not your nose
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@Athias
It's not that it proves your point; easy =/= not entertaining one's opponent's measures.
(iff) interlocutors cannot (explicitly) agree on definitions (then) they are not having a conversation
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a shining example of a typical ad hominem debate


pay close attention to the defense

pay close attention to the face to face attack

this is basically the "super-bowl" of debates
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it is irrational to argue that there's no evidence for the afterlife
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Imagine if, hypothetically, the only evidence for the Loch Ness monster was that a few people in a very specific situation saw it despite the fact that many others in that same situation didn't. If that was the case everyone would think Nessie was just a big joke.
great example

people forget about epistemology

when people say,

"you can't prove me wrong"

they are indulging private gnosis

conflating opinion with "fact"

unfalsifiable claims are neither "true" (or) "false"

they have (no) "truth value"

a dream cannot be proven "wrong"

a personal feeling cannot be proven "wrong"

a FACT, on the other hand

CAN be verified
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