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@Athias
Please explain.
ap·o·phat·ic | \ ˌa-pə-ˈfa-tik \
Definition of apophatic
: of or relating to apophasis (see APOPHASIS sense 2) : involving the practice of describing something by stating which characteristics it does not have
: of or relating to apophasis (see APOPHASIS sense 2) : involving the practice of describing something by stating which characteristics it does not have
The phaneron (Greek φανερός [phaneros] "visible, manifest"[1][2]) is the subject matter of phenomenology, or of what Charles Sanders Peirce later called phaneroscopy.[3] The term, which was introduced in 1905, is similar to the concept of the "phenomenon" in the way it meant "whatever is present at any time to the mind in any way".[4]
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@Athias
What are some examples of logically necessary "extant" realities or objects in reality?
the "self" is one of the most obvious examples
the "not-self" is another
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@Athias
Not really. Because my ontological argument doesn't focus on particular descriptions,
which proves my point
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@n8nrgim
AFTERLIFE = TRUE
now what ???
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@Greyparrot
Suppose Russia paid 5 billion to overthrow the current Mexican president and installed a Pro-Russia president and call it "democracy." That's what happened in Ukraine, only America was the instigator.
the united states overthrows foreign governments every single day
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@Incel-chud
instead of making deep arguments for why Ukraine should be supported?
seriously ?
when have you ever known "the press" to make "deep arguments" ?
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@Greyparrot
Suppose Russia paid 5 billion to overthrow the current Mexican president and installed a Pro-Russia president and call it "democracy." That's what happened in Ukraine, only America was the instigator.
(IFF) $$$ = "speech" (THEN) $$$ = "democracy"
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@Athias
(You and I both know that this discussion can go one way or another depending on which definitions apply. Thus, my hounding up until recently.)
my impression is that you are generally making an ontological argument for the "existence" of "god(s)"
this is a relatively easy position to defend
as long as you avoid commitment to a SPECIFIC god and or gods
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@Athias
How does aphophatic phaneron control for one's mind?
the apophatic phaneron = one's mind
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@Athias
So then can we describe "the external"--really, a postulate of the external--as real or existent since rationalization can neither detect nor interact with it?
we can only describe it as "extant" to the degree that it is LOGICALLY NECESSARY
in other words, NOUMENON
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@n8nrgmi
If you are making an ontological argument for Deism, you are no better off than you were before all of your "reasoning".
All you need to say is, "The Big Bang" = god(s).
The real trick is bridging the unfathomable gap between Deism and any particular religious (dogmatic) tradition.
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@Greyparrot
On May 4, 1970, members of the Ohio National Guard fired into a crowd of Kent State University demonstrators, killing four and wounding nine Kent State students
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@RationalMadman
impressive
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@ebuc
.." bill gates says that omicron is just as effective as a vaccine [**] "..
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@Athias
P1: If one claims, "God does not exist," one presumes the nonexistent can be perceived.P2: Perception of nonexistence is irrational.P3: An irrational premise and its extensions are irrational.C: Therefore, the claim, "God does not exist," is irrational.
missing info
(before you can claim that "god(s)" and or "glipglorp" and or "nanabozho" either DOES (or) DOES NOT "exist", you must rigorously define "god(s)" and or "glipglorp" and or "nanabozho")
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@Athias
How does one make the distinction between the "internal image" and the "external projection"?
the apophatic phaneron
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@Athias
And what would be external? How is this external's independence
two things that are truly "independent" are unable to detect and or interact with each other in any way
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@n8nrgmi
there's good evidence for God.
DEISM ≠ THEISM
which god(s) do you have evidence for ?
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@oromagi
Well, a white man's perception of any threat of violence by a black man is very often a very long distance from any actual threat of violence.
that's exactly my point
every human being on the planet is "potentially violent"
EVEN IFF
they "speak out against violence"
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@Incel-chud
The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, that brought an official end to the Mexican-American War (1846-1848), was signed on February 2, 1848, at Guadalupe Hidalgo, a city north of the capital where the Mexican government had fled with the advance of U.S. forces. By its terms, Mexico ceded 55 percent of its territory, including parts of present-day Arizona, California, New Mexico, Texas, Colorado, Nevada, and Utah, to the United States. Mexico relinquished all claims to Texas, and recognized the Rio Grande as the southern boundary with the United States. [**]
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@Incel-chud
kvetch about Russia taking back a russian territory
suppose mexico decided to take back former mexican territory
would you support that invasion ?
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@oromagi
Any protester that uses violent action, or the threat of violent action,
Personally, I believe in the light of King's powerful demagogic speech yesterday he stands heads and shoulders over all other Negro leaders put together when it comes to influencing great masses of Negroes. We must mark him now, if we have not done so before, as the most dangerous Negro of the future in this Nation from the standpoint of communism, the Negro, and national security. [LINK]
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@Greyparrot
I would certainly call the fascists who had a planned to murder a policeman terrorists.
your use of the term "fascist" doesn't match your stated definition
policeman = terrorist
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@Incel-chud
Ukraine refused to join Nato, so really their own fault, but we should pull out of nato anyway. The founders wanted us to be isolationist. Spreading democracy is just code for imperialism and is highly unethical, if these people in other countries wanted democracy, they'd have it
well stated
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@ILikePie5
and double that for saudi arabia
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@ILikePie5
NAME BRAND AMERICAN AND EUROPEAN AND ASIAN CORPORATIONS SHOULD LEAVE RUSSIA NOW ∴ IF THEY GIVE A SINGLE SHIT ABOUT HUMAN LIFE
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@ebuc
ISTP characteristics don't match me at all
the fact that you think "everyone" matches ISTP is a very good indication that you are one
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@secularmerlin
great point
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@sadolite
everybody loves guns you knucklehead
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@sadolite
you labeled yourself
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@sadolite
Skepticism and indifference are my core Ideologies now.
ISTP
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@zedvictor4
therefore able to sub-categorise output.
i certainly hope so
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@zedvictor4
in the same way
that a dead body
is NOT the same
as a live body
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@oromagi
You are mistakenly trying to force modern party political divisions into a clean left/right division.No such thing is possible.By definition, both sides of the abortion debate are left-wing arguments.By definition, the right to bear arms is a left-wing argument.square pegs. round holes.
"left" and "right" are both in the top right quadrant
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@Discipulus_Didicit
soldiers are dogs that will attack whatever they're told to attack
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@oromagi
means prioritize property rights over human rights
so, why do BOTH the "right" and the "left" allow "civil asset forfeiture" ?
and why does the "left" cut the water and electricity to the homes of people who haven't even been convicted of a crime ?
which "party" supports privacy ?
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@zedvictor4
functional batteries
are not
the same as non functional batteries
regardless
of
your
feelings
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@zedvictor4
a dead battery can no longer perform the function that the word "battery" suggests
the key point here is,
your feelings do not change facts
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@oromagi
2.5 million truckers say they'll quit over vaccine mandate, industry warns Biden [**]
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@Double_R
dead or missing
great point
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@oromagi
The Ontario Ministry of Transportation has effectively shut down 39 trucking businesses in the wake of a crackdown on so-called Freedom Convoy protesters.
Responding to questions from trucknews.com, the ministry confirmed that 12 suspension and seizure orders were issued to Ontario-based large truck operators involved in the protests, suspending their operating authority throughout Canada, and issuing an order to seize all the plates registered to them. [**]
Responding to questions from trucknews.com, the ministry confirmed that 12 suspension and seizure orders were issued to Ontario-based large truck operators involved in the protests, suspending their operating authority throughout Canada, and issuing an order to seize all the plates registered to them. [**]
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@oromagi
suggests anti-democratic/authoritarian outlook
hardly
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@Swagnarok
protest will not be tolerated
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