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@Mesmer
Why else would you engage in negative commentary directed at your interlocutor ?To make fun of them.
In order to discredit them.
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@Dr.Franklin
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@Mesmer
Why have the Germans and the Russians been killing each other for hundreds of years ?I don't know lolWhat's your point?
Have you considered that perhaps it's because of SYSTEMIC RACISM ?
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@Mesmer
Not if the speaker is the topic or if the negative commentary isn't used to dismiss the speaker's arguments.
Why else would you engage in negative commentary directed at your interlocutor ?
Are you fond of engaging in rampant NON-SEQUITUR statements of pure OPINION ?
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@Mesmer
He might have even seen the airtight arguments I've made smashing shitlib anti-white narratives, and knows that if he argues straight, he's a goner.
Are you suggesting that (in your own mind) it is impossible to sincerely misunderstand and or disagree with your claims ?
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@Tradesecret
I have met many atheists who have disgarded atheism because of an argument
And what position did they adopt ?
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@Mesmer
Why have the Germans and the Russians been killing each other for hundreds of years ?
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@Mesmer
Like most people on this site, you just don't understand Ad Hominem.
Any (negative) commentary directed AT THE SPEAKER is quite technically an AD HOMINEM ATTACK.
RATIONAL CONVERSATION aims to address the logic of the claims presented.
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@Mesmer
Have you attempted to charitably paraphrase your understanding of their position ?He knows what my position is.
I'm not sure your apparent confidence is warranted.
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@thett3
Afghan refugees should not be settled in the United States because their culture is not compatible with ours. For a fraction of the cost it takes to settle a refugee here, a refugee could be settled in Central Asia.
Are you specifically objecting to the men being relocated, or the women and children as well.
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@thett3
Are any of the people who were attacking me in this thread going to apologize? we brought in unvetted people from a culture that for centuries has condoned violence against women and the sexual exploitation of minors, and lo and behold, they are already committing sex crimes and acts of violence against women.
What specific claim are you trying to make ?
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@RationalMadman
I cannot find many better examples of 'case in point' with the direct reply someone gives to an accurate callout of their methods.
Perhaps they're aiming for "comedic effect" ?
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@Ramshutu
In normal cases, I think definitions are a number one priority - but not so much in cases like this; because of the other persons position.
Have you attempted to charitably paraphrase your understanding of their position ?
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@Ramshutu
You’re foot stamping is intellectually Dishonest, inherently disingenuous and demonstrative that you do not want to engage in good faith.
I'm not convinced they're being "disingenuous".
Try focusing on definitions.
Definitions are PRIORITY ONE.
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@zedvictor4
If for example, one is simply exchanging philosophical, political or religious opinion, then sources tend to be nothing more than arbitrary and secondary opinion
Great point.
Just because someone wrote something in a book, doesn't magically make it REAL-TRUE-FACT.
BOTH SIDES still need to rigorously define their terms AND build a case out of SOUND LOGIC.
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@Athias
No, I haven't. The first two are fine, though I'd disagree with "pricing" one's initiation of a debate.
66% is a great start.
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@janesix
What is perfect?
Perfection cannot be improved.
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@Tradesecret
(IFF) GOD = EXIST (THEN) EVERYTHING THAT EXISTS = GODThanks for responding. And that is also an interesting point but not the answer to my question.
GOD = EXISTENCE
GOD MADE EVERYTHING OUT OF THE ONLY MATERIAL AVAILABLE, NAMELY GOD
(IFF) EVIL EXISTS IN THE WORLD (THEN) EVIL EXISTS IN THE GOD
IN OTHER WORDS, (EITHER) EVIL ALWAYS EXISTED WITHIN GOD (OR) GOD SPECIFICALLY AND INTENTIONALLY CREATED EVIL
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@Tradesecret
How so?
(IFF) GOD = EXIST (THEN) EVERYTHING THAT EXISTS = GOD
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@BrotherDThomas
PERFECT GOD = PERFECT WORLD
IMPERFECT WORLD = IMPERFECT GOD
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@Ramshutu
a discussion without first setting our broad areas of agreement first is not possible: again, you have not offered any rational disagreement; you have not offered any argument.
Well stated.
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@ebuc
DOES GOD EXIST (1)
DOES GOD EXIST (2)
DOES GOD EXIST (3)
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@EtrnlVw
I also know the universe wasn't t created to be perfect, it is meant to experience birth, death and decay. With those features there can be no perfection.
Well stated.
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@EtrnlVw
Sure, you'll have to give me some content to think about first.
PERFECT GOD = PERFECT WORLD
IMPERFECT WORLD = IMPERFECT GOD
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@DeadFire27
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@ebuc
How do you make the distinction ?
EXIST (1)
EXIST (2)
EXIST (3)
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@ebuc
All concepts are imaginary. Some imaginary concepts are true, i.e. the complement existence in reality. Others imaginaries are not true ex unicorns.
Is your moral preference "a true imaginary concept" or a "false imaginary concept" ?
Does your moral preference "exist" in the same way the planet earth exists, or in the way that lochnessbigfootunicornspacealiens "exist" ?
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@ebuc
what's a word that means "the opposite of a definition" ?
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@ebuc
MICRO MIND METAPHYSICAL SPACE (GNOSIS)
FINITE OCCUPIED SPACE (ONLY THIS ONE COUNTS)
MACRO INFINITE UNOCCUPIED SPACE (NOUMENON)
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@ebuc
None of those definitions make a clear distinction between the CONCRETE NOUN and the ABSTRACT NOUN.
And are therefore invalid.
By your definition, an idea can "exist" (lochnessbigfootunicornspacealiens) with the same validity as a planet.
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@ebuc
3ru, you did not answer any of the questions I asked you. Why is that?
Your questions fail to make your definition of "exist" explicit.
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@EtrnlVw
I do believe God exists and this is why...BECAUSE EVERYTHING CAME FROM SOMETHING AND THAT SOMETHING IS OFTEN REFERRED TO AS "GOD" (OR NOUMENON)There we go! you answered lol, thank you!Do you have any other reason for your answer? or does that suffice?
I have a veritable wellspring of logic to relay on the subject, but you're the one insisting on a specific framework, so I'll have to ask you to "be the judge".
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@ebuc
Are you perhaps familiar with the distinction between CONCRETE NOUNS and ABSTRACT NOUNS ?
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@ethang5
Mention me in your acceptance speech, ok?
I'm pretty sure hero-worship will be obliterated.
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@ethang5
Pat yourself on the back. That's pretty good.
I've calculated that at this rate, if each of my converts also convert one person a year, in about 31 years the entire planet will be 100% LOGICZOMBIES.
8 next year.
16 in 2023
32 in 2024
64 in 2025
128 in 2026
2,097,152 in 2040
2,147,483,648 in 2050
8,589,934,592 in 2052
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@ethang5
Have you ever gotten one of them to see the lack of logic in those concepts?
I'm reaching my quota at about one a year.
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@Ramshutu
we have to start at a point of common understanding and agreement: and from there we can build up.
Well stated.
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@ethang5
The three you listed aren't the only ones. Abiogenesis is another.
Great point.
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@Bones
Look I usually don't like going back and forth in forums, do you want to debate the existence of God?
Step ONE, define EXIST
Step TWO, define GOD
Step THREE, compare and contrast the two
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@DeadFire27
First question.
Why the hell did you give anyone here your real age ?
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@ethang5
What do you have against entertainment? : )
Nothing of course, this is phenomenal.
I just sort of kinda feel a little sorry for the people who think they're discouraging this sort of behavior.
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@EtrnlVw
I do believe God exists and this is why...
BECAUSE EVERYTHING CAME FROM SOMETHING AND THAT SOMETHING IS OFTEN REFERRED TO AS "GOD" (OR NOUMENON)
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@EtrnlVw
What could have initiated a Big Bang?
NOUMENON
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@EtrnlVw
OBVIOUSLY GOD IS REAL AND IF YOU THINK THIS WORLD IS IMPERFECT IT INDICATES THAT (EITHER) GOD IS IMPERFECTGo back and read the OP.
YOU REQUESTED A POSITION AND EVIDENCE AND REASON.
I HAVE PROVIDED ALL THREE.
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@EtrnlVw
PERFECT GOD = PERFECT WORLDIMPERFECT WORLD = IMPERFECT GODWhat exactly is your point, what exactly is your position? what do perfection and imperfection have to do with the topic?
OBVIOUSLY GOD IS REAL AND IF YOU THINK THIS WORLD IS IMPERFECT IT INDICATES THAT (EITHER) GOD IS IMPERFECT (OR) HUMANS ARE INCAPABLE OF DETECTING THE PERFECTION OF THE WORLD
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