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@949havoc
And when a family member is part of the State, the danger is on your home. Member against member; it happens more than you'd like to admit.
(IFF) your family member has more loyalty to THE STATE than to you (THEN) you're seriously missing the point
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The fundamental problem with capitalism (as described by Bo Burnham
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@secularmerlin
Paid sick and child care leave. Free or low cost libraries and museum. An education system. Minimum wage. Civil rights. Essential services like fire fighters. Infrastructure.
Pretty much anything that is not purely profit motivated.
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@cristo71
In saying what you are NOT advocating for, it leads me to wonder what DO you advocate for as an economic system?
"LESS-WRONG" is not a monolithic ideology
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On the scale of a single family.
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@Athias
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@949havoc
So, obviously, was I. But, danger lurks, lack of privacy lurks, even in your own home. And safety lurks in some crowds.
PRIVACY FROM THE STATE
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On the scale of a single family.
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@Athias
And this paper's hypothetical value enforced with soldiers uses what as collateral?
FAITH IN CREDIBLE THREAT
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@Athias
LOVE is not CAPITALISTIC.
Would acts of love be necessarily excluded within a capitalistic framework? If so, why?
LOVE = COMMUNISM

SHARING RESOURCES AND OR SELF-SACRIFICE WITHOUT CONCERN FOR REWARD
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On the scale of a single family.
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@Athias
in my refusal to assume the cost burden--while also rejecting the concept of my being coerced into it--of another individual, am I denying that person's intrinsic value?
Choosing to "ignore" human suffering WHEN you can do SOMETHING to mitigate that suffering = denying that person's intrinsic value.

(iff) you believe some people are HUMAN TRASH, (then) you can safely ignore them and perhaps even take moral action to extinguish them.
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On the scale of a single family.
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@Athias
Communism does not permit "willful participation."
Please explain.
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@Athias
I'm not suggesting that the act of charity is intrinsically Capitalistic. You however suggested that within a Capitalist framework, gifts would only be given if and only if there was an incentive for long-term profits. Why?
Capitalism is naked profit motive.
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ARE HUMANS UNDECIPHERABLE ENIGMAS OR PROGRAMMABLE BLACK BOXES?
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@janesix
INTJ
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MY 8VALUES RESULTS
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@secularmerlin
I found myself stymied in taking the quiz by its seeming presupposition behind some of the questions. Such as raising the tax on the rich. I am not so much in favor of that as simply not allowing anyone to attain more wealth than they can actually reasonably use in one lifetime in the first place.
IMPLICIT ONTOLOGICAL BIAS
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APOTHEOSIS
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@949havoc
It's because we're not perfect that Christ is needed.
So, the jesus was just a bug fix.

Got it.
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@secularmerlin
Here's the problem with "free-market" "capitalism" "pure profit motive",

The "tragedy of the commons" - - https://youtu.be/S7g9NhWLaRs
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APOTHEOSIS
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@949havoc
The design is not flawed,
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Yang creates a new party
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@Greyparrot
1) Socialism: A "rich person" isn't to be trusted to own a portion of private property.
2) Marxism: All people are not to be trusted to own private property.
You might find this difficult to believe, but people in both Russia and China own private property.
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@949havoc
But, by the 4A, the State must not take the authority to search without warrant.
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@949havoc
yet a family member turns against them in the home.
THE 4TH AMENDMENT OFFERS PROTECTION FROM THE STATE, NOT YOUR FAMILY.

THE STATE

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE STATE
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@949havoc
We cannot be coerced to be perfect.
Be perfect or burn in hell forever.

Be perfect and get eternal reward in heaven.

Please explain exactly what you mean by "cannot be coerced".
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APOTHEOSIS
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@949havoc
The notion that God can only create perfect things is just an excuse to attempt to demonstrate that he is not,
How can you tell if a god is perfect or imperfect ?

How can you tell if a great engineer is skilled or unskilled ?

You will know them by their fruits.
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@949havoc
To think that God is omnipotent does not mean that he must always act omnipotently.
OMNI = ALL

POTENT = POWER

THERE IS NO POWER WITHOUT GOD

THERE IS NO ALTERNATIVE POWER SOURCE

GOD IS THE CREATOR AND SUSTAINER OF ALL THINGS AND ALL EVENTS

WITHOUT GOD'S EXPLICIT CONSENT, ANY UNSUSTAINED THING AND OR EVENT WOULD CEASE TO HAVE EVER EXISTED
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@949havoc
The natural man is an enemy of God.
By design ?
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@949havoc
to act by his nature, which is carnal, sensual, and devilish
Yeah, who made this "human nature" stuff anyway ?
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@949havoc
The assumption that God created robots is contrary to what is given in the creation account, strictly because among the gifts given to man was dominion, and that dominion is possible only by agency to act for and on behalf of himself, but as importantly, for the whole Earth. Gen 1: 26. Had God wanted to be a puppet master, he'd have retained the dominion for himself, but we're supposed to learn how its done in order to become like God, ourselves.  That's not blasphemy if we truly act to deserve it.
Hold on.

So you're suggesting that god made humans in order to teach them to be more like god.

Humans are baby gods.

There seems to be a major design flaw.
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@949havoc
So, now security is privacy?
Please explain how you can have one without the other.

When the STATE can search you continuously, without any pretense of a warrant, how can you be "secure in your persons, houses, papers, and effects" ?

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@949havoc
7. Privacy. Uh-huh. Show me the word in the Constitution. Don't bother, it doesn't exist. Not to mention that a woman's privacy ends with her body. A fetus is not part of her body.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
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the universe most likely didn't cause itself
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@secularmerlin
atheists say the universe could have caused itself.
Which atheists are these? I am uncomfortable even asserting that the universe does or doesn't have a cause.

At the moment there is equal evidence that the universe caused itself that it had an external cause or that it in fact did not require any cause whatever.
NOUMENON
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@secularmerlin
I do wonder how you intend to enable laissez-faire capitalism without the threat of state organized violence such as that provided by a militarized police force... since you don't believe in violent suppression of political opposition. 
GREAT QUESTION
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@secularmerlin
I may not fit neatly into any box you have lying around in your head.
GNOSTIC
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@MarkWebberFan
Nope. That sounds more exciting and more unpredictable than appearing before your followers.
Why would I make something and expect it to worship me ?

I fail to see the logic.
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@ebuc
there it is
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@FLRW
OR, maybe you realized you screwed up their design, then you decided to hide from them so they never heard from you or saw you.
Good point.

I'd probably be quite embarrassed if they started killing each other over stupid stuff.
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Killing me softly
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@ethang5
And no other work of literature has had such a profound, lasting, or universally influential effect on humanity as the Bible has.
can you be slightly more specific ?
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if i made a bunch of robots

on a deserted island

or on the moon

or maybe i genetically engineered the robots

so they grew from cells

and i expected them to worship me

without giving them any direct evidence of my existence

would that seem crazy to you ?
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@thett3
I mean at this point knowing what we know about the risk covid poses to children (basically non existent) and the fact that there is a vaccine that has been available to all adults for over half a year forcing children to wear masks is nothing but child abuse.
BINGO
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@thett3
Doesn’t sound like a crisis worthy of a federal response to me.
Well stated.
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Life.
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@BigPimpDaddy
whats the point.
God created us to do good I think that's the point.
There seem to be some major design flaws.

Perhaps god is incompetent.
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Nigeria is racist and Black supremacist
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@dfss9788
(1) PROTECT YOURSELF
(2) PROTECT YOUR FAMILY
(3) PROTECT YOUR PROPERTY
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Nigeria is racist and Black supremacist
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@dfss9788
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"Fake art"
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@Intelligence_06
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@dfss9788
The double standard seems to be that ethnic groups which have been historically marginalized are entitled to superior treatment than those groups which have not been.
There does seem to be some genuine anxiety regarding this counter-point, and BANNING-DISCUSSION OF IT is not going to magically make it evaporate.

OPINIONSARENOTDANGEROUS

THOUGHTSARENOTDANGEROUS

IDEASARENOTDANGEROUS
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@Mesmer
Nigeria is just too Black. There aren't enough other races represented in Nigeria because Nigeria is racist. Blacks are in power and causing systemic racism to oppress any racial group that isn't Black. This is clearly a result of racist Blacks and Black supremacists.

Nigeria should have far more Asians, Jews and Middle Easterners to the point where Blacks are the minority in Nigeria. This multiracial state wherein Blacks become the minority will not be a bad thing, but rather a source of Nigerian strength. Racial quotas should be immediately implemented to force Blacks out of political power, and instead make sure there is sufficient Asian, Jewish and Middle Eastern representation in Nigeria. Every race's voice needs to be heard except for Blacks because they are racist and oppress the other racial minorities in Nigeria.

Middle Easterners living in Nigeria should be paid mandatory reparations for Nigeria's slavery policy wherein some Middle Easterners of the past were slaves. This needs to be mandatory because slavery is not okay and Middle Easterners are still suffering from slavery. There should be a 'sorry day' in Nigeria for Nigeria's involvement in slavery in the past. During this sorry day, the Nigerian national anthem should be played and all non-Black people should be encouraged to kneel and boo during the anthem. Anyone who opposes any of this implicitly condones slavery and racism.

Any pro-Nigerian speech should be labelled hate speech as it is racist and Black supremacist. The Nigerian laws should be changed to make hate speech legally binding and punishable with a jail sentence. All anti-Nigerian speech should be allowed and encouraged because Nigeria is racist and engaged in slavery in the past. Anyone who speaks out against anti-Nigerian speeches should be labelled a Black supremacist and should be fired from his/her job.

Anyone who says 'it's okay to be Black' is anti-Asian and needs to be put before a court for hate speech and racism. Saying 'it's okay to be Black' ignores all of the racial struggles that Asians face in Nigeria. Nigeria needs to be Asian focused as they are a minority and suffering from racial oppression, racism and Black supremacy in Nigeria.

Hopefully, Nigerians will read these words and realize how bigoted and racist they are, and then start implementing these policies to make Nigeria more tolerant and less hateful.
POE'S LAW
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@Mesmer
If there is no systemic racism, behavior is going to be a result of a genetic mesh (genetics and environment interacting with each other) resulting from heritability.

Specifically for crime, things like the MAOA gene (warrior gene) and lower self-control ability of Blacks will represent this heritability in functional/genetic form.
Monoamine oxidase A gene (MAOA) has earned the nickname “warrior gene” because it has been linked to aggression in observational and survey-based studies. However, no controlled experimental studies have tested whether the warrior gene actually drives behavioral manifestations of these tendencies. We report an experiment, synthesizing work in psychology and behavioral economics, which demonstrates that aggression occurs with greater intensity and frequency as provocation is experimentally manipulated upwards, especially among low activity MAOA (MAOA-L) subjects. In this study, subjects paid to punish those they believed had taken money from them by administering varying amounts of unpleasantly hot (spicy) sauce to their opponent. There is some evidence of a main effect for genotype and some evidence for a gene by environment interaction, such that MAOA is less associated with the occurrence of aggression in a low provocation condition, but significantly predicts such behavior in a high provocation situation. This new evidence for genetic influences on aggression and punishment behavior complicates characterizations of humans as “altruistic” punishers and supports theories of cooperation that propose mixed strategies in the population. It also suggests important implications for the role of individual variance in genetic factors contributing to everyday behaviors and decisions.
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@Mesmer
Sometimes the person is being a pain and you want to make fun of them.
In order to discredit their words.

Sometimes you just want people to laugh.
In order to boost your social position relative to your interlocutor (in order to discredit their words).

Sometimes you're bored and are looking to entertain yourself or others.
Why else would you be here ?
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@janesix
Who decides what is perfect and cant be improved? 
You.
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@949havoc
And assuming facts support policy when they are not facts can also derail actions that are assumed to be policy, but are not. A double failure.
Well stated.
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@cristo71
Thanks for your comprehensive answer to my first question!
Quite shocking actually.
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@Mesmer
It doesn't come close to systemic racism, either. Even if it did, it's in the past. Even if it was in the present, Ramshutu and I was talking about the US.
I thought you were interested in discussing human behavior in general terms.
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@Mesmer
In order to discredit them.
In your opinion.
There is only one logical reason to make fun of someone.
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@Mesmer
Have you considered that perhaps it's because of SYSTEMIC RACISM ?
I have considered it.

I see no reason to believe it.
Do you think that perhaps Germans grow up exposed to stories in which Russians are commonly portrayed as venal souls ?
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