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@ILikePie5
6.) If the election were held today, would you vote for candidate Wylted, candidate RationalMadman, unsure, or neither?
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5.) Do you Strongly Approve, Somewhat Approve, Somewhat Disapprove, Strongly Disapprove, or are Unsure about candidate RationalMadman?
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4.) Do you Strongly Approve, Somewhat Approve, Somewhat Disapprove, Strongly Disapprove, or are Unsure about candidate Wylted?
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@ILikePie5
3.) What issues do you believe are most important in this race for President? Name as many as you’d like.
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@ILikePie5
2.) Have you heard of candidate Wylted, candidate RationalMadman, both, or neither?
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@ILikePie5
1.) Have you heard there is an election going on for the Presidency of DART? Yes or No?
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@ILikePie5
6.) If the election were held today, would you vote for candidate Wylted, candidate RationalMadman, unsure, or neither?
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@ILikePie5
5.) Do you Strongly Approve, Somewhat Approve, Somewhat Disapprove, Strongly Disapprove, or are Unsure about candidate RationalMadman?
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@ILikePie5
4.) Do you Strongly Approve, Somewhat Approve, Somewhat Disapprove, Strongly Disapprove, or are Unsure about candidate Wylted?
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@ILikePie5
3.) What issues do you believe are most important in this race for President? Name as many as you’d like.
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@ILikePie5
2.) Have you heard of candidate Wylted, candidate RationalMadman, both, or neither?
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@ILikePie5
1.) Have you heard there is an election going on for the Presidency of DART? Yes or No?
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@Wylted
Campaigning would be advocating. This is just data collection
in-bound messages are ok
out-bound messages are not
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@GnosticChristianBishop
In Lak’ech Ala K’in
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@zedvictor4
Religion is nothing more than a Sunday morning pastime for most theists....Well, the more dedicated ones.
Well stated.
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@zedvictor4
humans are social animals
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@zedvictor4
(IFF) you didn't need attention from others (THEN) you would not bother to communicate with others
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@zedvictor4
Nope.Never been an attention seeker, nor committed suicide.
Posting your thoughts on the internet is, by definition, attention seeking.
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@zedvictor4
Failure to commit suicide is attention seeking.A person with real suicidal intentions will usually succeed.
I'm pretty certain you can only speak for yourself.
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@949havoc
i know multiple people who have attempted and failed to commit suicide.
so.
i'm not sure your logic holds water.
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@Reece101
Can you please explain how you’re getting finite knowledge from determinism? Determinism describes a process. That’s it. It doesn’t say anything about all of existence. It’s as if you’re treating determinism as an apposing religion.
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@RationalMadman
you just admitted to being proud of arguing in bad faith and fusing falsehood with genuine historical fact...
impressive
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@949havoc
Oh, but, no, you may think, he offered two options: life or death. And I respond: just so, but, then, what does he turn to? A walk in the park? A rendezvous with Ophelia? Her prayers, he concludes, contain all his sins. Or, is it another heart-to-heart with his father’s ghost? No, he sleeps, he dreams; meaning… other options than just two… and what, then, but free will’s justification of imagination over what would else be determined for him?
The question is rhetorical.
Even perhaps darkly humorous.
Hamlet will die no matter what.
Just like you.
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@949havoc
"freedom" in the Constitution
FREEDOM FROM TYRANNY, SPECIFICALLY
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@949havoc
Free will = free agency
Free from what ?
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@949havoc
Actions are (EITHER) influenced (OR) not-influencedYes, by free agency of choice - each of us independenttly.
What guides your "free-agency" ?
Does your "free-agency" act to preserve your general sense of well-being perhaps ?
Or does your "free-agency" act INDEPENDENTLY of your general sense of well-being ?
In other words, does your "free-agency" disregard your will ?
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@Dr.Franklin
it is literally an elitist occult who wear golden masks like rothschilds and at the dinner scene, there is a triangle with a checkerboard pattern and two posts. This is a masonic ritual that usually involves blood and well the guards leave behind a knife for that purpose
love it
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@Athias
What do you personally value ?Self-expression.
Do you need an audience for that ?
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@secularmerlin
It doesn't matter what hypothetical situation you come up with. It doesn't matter if we are talking about humans or gods or ghosts or aliens. It doesn't matter if we are talking about the natural or the supernatural. It doesn't matter if there was a beginning or if there exists an infinite regress. Every conceivable person, thing and force including your behavior is either caused (not free) or uncaused (not subject to will).
End of story.
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@secularmerlin
Drop two ping pong balls down a pachinko board. Did they go the same way? No? Funny that. Ping pong balls must have free will.
There it is.
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@949havoc
1. Knowledge gained without experience. It happens, and you have not accounted for that variable.
Please explain.
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@949havoc
I know because it happens outside of physical experience
Even a god a ghost a fairy or an angel (EITHER) acts as the result of previous influence (OR) acts randomly
Physical or not.
Supernatural or natural.
It makes no difference.
Actions are (EITHER) influenced (OR) not-influenced
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@FLRW
a post hoc reconstruction of events that occurs after the brain has already set the act in motion.
Well stated.
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@secularmerlin
Every decision is either caused (determinism) or uncaused (indistinguishable from random)Determinism =/= free willRandom acts =/= free will
Perfecto.
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@Dr.Franklin
the main pushers are debt aren't even capitalist in the traditional scale
please explain
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@The_Meliorist
it's idiotic to get vaccinated for a disease you've already been infected with
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@949havoc
I'd like to know how an non-living force [the universe] can direct the thoughts and actions of any living organism, let alone a sentient organism.
BIOLOGY + EXPERIENCE = BEHAVIOR
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@sadolite
I don't think you get the OP. But anyway, when ones sarcasm is so good people think you are serious and debate you.
That's called POE'S LAW.
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@Athias
Why is intrinsic value based one's suffering being mitigated by the participation of others?
What do you personally value ?
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@sadolite
My answer mirrors the question. "What is the point" but with no context. I don't know what the point is I am supposed to make but sarcastically said to not offend or hurt peoples feelings.
The only motive to share your thoughts is to communicate.
The only motive to communicate is to influence (and or learn/be influenced).
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@sadolite
I don't know, what is the point of anything other than not offending or hurting peoples feelings.
(IFF) "straight talk" does NOT spare people's feelings and or mitigate misunderstanding (THEN) it seems to be no more and or no less efficient than "normal talk"
I remember a story about some american businessmen who were frustrated by a meeting with chinese businessmen.
The chinese invited the visitors to an elaborate dinner and peppered them with questions about topics **seemingly unrelated** to their business interests.
The americans wanted to "get to the point" and "talk dollars and cents".
What they didn't realize is that it is often more accurate to slowly and carefully define what something is "not" instead of trying to dive directly into what something "is".
The chinese businessmen thought the americans were hopelessly childish and naive, and the americans thought their hosts were being intentionally obtuse as part of some specific strategy to "throw them off their game".
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@Athias
This would suggest that "a human's intrinsic value is only intrinsic value IFF his/her suffering warrants the participation of another in its mitigation." Why is intrinsic value bound by this standard?
It's not the ONLY measure.
It's more of a baseline.
Please suggest a counter-proposal (if you have one).
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@Athias
18 million dollars per missile launch
we could build at least 18 homes for that price
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@sadolite
I cant be held responsible for what people think my intent is.
Then what's the point ?
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@Athias
Choosing to "ignore" human suffering WHEN you can do SOMETHING to mitigate that suffering = denying that person's intrinsic value.So this "intrinsic value" necessarily obligates me to "do something" as it concerns another's suffering, whether I'm a willful participant or not?
No.
You are never "obligated".
(IFF) you can do something to mitigate human suffering (AND) you decide instead to buy yourself a private plane (THEN) you are denying the INTRINSIC VALUE of other humans
I'm not suggesting that humans are intrinsically valuable.
I'm not suggesting that humans are NOT intrinsically valuable.
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@sadolite
I always have,
do you believe that people always perfectly understand your intent ?
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@sadolite
Remember when people used to say exactly what they mean
nope
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@zedvictor4
But trust no one.
i only trust myself
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@secularmerlin
Well stated. I'm stealing this.
In Lak’ech Ala K’in
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