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@ResurgetExFavilla
The main reason for this is that any permanent bans based on some of the more ludicrous rules (hate speech, for example) would be vetoed.
the "Presidential-Veto" can be over-ruled by a consensus of moderators
and since bans are already agreed upon by a consensus of moderators, i'm not sure the "Presidential-Veto" will be particularly effective
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@Athias
3RU7AL didn't say he intended to do nothing. 3RU7AL has repeatedly stated that he intends to insure that moderator decisions are based on quantifiable and transparent rules. What does this mean? He intends to advise moderators against exercising their authority when based on their own ARBITRARY QUALIFICATIONS as opposed to QUANTIFIABLE (DEMONSTRABLE) violations of TRANSPARENT (CLEARLY SPELLED-OUT) rules. He intends to advise moderators to exercise their authority uniformly and consistently (e.g. Person A who demonstrably violates Rule B in section C and Person D who demonstrably violates Rule B in section E ought to face a UNIFORM response.) The scope of his platform is universal. That is the reason you were being prompted to provide something specific. 3RU7AL has expressed and demonstrated that he's willing to address a specific proposal, and delineate to you how the platform which he argues would incorporate such a case.
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@badger
Actually, when I think of DDO's golden age it was a little bit before you guys. We were a very diverse bunch once upon a time. It was more real debaters, I guess, and from all over the globe. Eggleston, Roy Latham, Puck. Danielle, Queen of DDO, of course. We had an-caps and communists, actual cliques around this shit. There would be a new user appear every day wanting to fight about whatever idea. There really would some quality users show up on DDO, and not wanting to play mafia or vote on silly elections, but to debate, to fight for their ideas in debates or in the forums. Really, I think you lot were a detriment to that in a way. It did become cliquey in a more general sense, ended up just a bunch of North Americans, all of an age range, mostly male. I mean, maybe it's nostalgia, but DDO really used to be something. It wasn't just a hangout.I mean, I don't want to come across too harsh either, there was fun in it too, and maybe it was natural enough. People make friends, that's all. But actually I do think what a site needs for it to grow in the first place is generality. Later DDO lost that. You got any thoughts on that? I don't mean to attack you here either, but I guess I did get a bit hopeful seeing you back lol. I would be interested to hearing your thoughts on it. I do think you guys were a detriment to this site. Elections and hangouts were never what DDO needed.
i think an anonymous debate option might be interesting
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@Lunatic
my primary focus is on insuring all moderation decisions are based on QUANTIFIABLE and transparent rules
if this is not what you expect from the "DebateArt.com President" then you should vote for someone else
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@EtrnlVw
The irony of everyone here posting to their own will supporting the most ridiculous notion that they have no will is hilarious.
this comment is 100% UNCAUSED
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@Lunatic
perhaps you'd like to make a specific proposal ?I don't have anything to propose. Advice I could offer would be to outline a specific campaign detailing exactly and specifically what you plan to do, how you plan to communicate with moderation and what specific changes you want to see them implement in order to achieve fairness in the enforcement.
if you refuse to offer specifics, i believe my current position is clear
my primary focus is on insuring all moderation decisions are based on QUANTIFIABLE and transparent rules
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@ILikePie5
how do you know, QUANTIFIABLY, if someone is, in-fact, "a white supremacist" or not ?He makes derogatory comments about African Americans with facts as well. Should they be banned?
the term "derogatory" is QUALITATIVE
CAN YOU BE SLIGHTLY MORE SPECIFIC ?
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@Discipulus_Didicit
my primary focus is on insuring all moderation decisions are based on QUANTIFIABLE and transparent rulesSo, basically Proposition 1?
Proposition 1 is riddled with rather obvious loop-holes.
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@ILikePie5
Should a white supremacist advocating for the inferiority of African Americans with facts and sources be banned?
how do you know, QUANTIFIABLY, if someone is, in-fact, "a white supremacist" or not ?
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@Polytheist-Witch
Free Will is contradictory an omniscient God and it's contradictory to life in general whether and omniscient God exists. Freedom is one thing. Free Will is another entirely. If we had free will then we could make whatever choices we want and follow through on them. We can't for all sorts of reasons money, attitude, upbringing, place of birth, type of government in our country. There's a reason psychology exist because people are predictable animals. We rarely if ever change and we really with ever step outside our comfort zone. You're freedom lets you to make choices in regards to what you eat, who you marry, if you have kids, in some way where you live and what you do. Free will to make any choice you want to, at any time, no matter what, does not exist. We are slaves to nature and nurture.
100% THIS
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@Lunatic
None of this lessens moderation or encourages free speech. Also it's too mathematical isn't it? It doesn't show that you care about the impact of the rules on the userbase, just that they understand them and are applied equally. None of this assuages my worries about moderation.
perhaps you'd like to make a specific proposal ?
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@ILikePie5
What are your stances on free speech within the site?
my primary focus is on insuring all moderation decisions are based on QUANTIFIABLE and transparent rules
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@Discipulus_Didicit
The wasted vote fallacy applies in real life because voters are not allowed to change their vote if they see their second preferred candidate losing to their least favored candidate. That is unlikely to be the case in the DART presidential election and thus it should not influence the vote of any reasonable person in this matter.
RANKED CHOICE VOTING
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@Lunatic
and 3RU7AL stands for, well lets be honest hear, trying to have as little impact on moderation as possible.
my primary focus is on insuring all moderation decisions are based on QUANTIFIABLE and transparent rules
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@Benjamin
Atheism is caused by the failure of theism to convince, and nothing else.
pure signal
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@Outplayz
if an omniscient god wanted to shatter itself into a million tiny pieces - with each piece lacking omniscience - that might be one way of creating a sense of free-will, at least temporarily
they'd certainly know the end result before they shattered
free-will = ignorance
i'm not sure why people find it so "essential" and "precious"
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@Outplayz
That's very complicated lol. I imagine it would be some kind of paradox. I believe it would be both, free will but ultimately determined. If it had only free will, wouldn't it be infinitely alone? Unless other gods also exist, but then i believe that would result in the same outcome in the end. It's hard to imagine bc we are trying to define how an immortal infinitely powerful consciousness would act... i believe there are too many (infinite) possibilities to fully imagine.
FREE-WILL is inversely proportional to knowledge of the future
for example - the chess grandmaster has fewer moves available to them than the chess novice
the chess grandmaster makes the best move on the board when the best move is obvious to them - looking at least four moves ahead
the chess grandmaster only has a "choice" when the predicted outcome of two or more moves appears to be roughly equal - rendering the choice between them moot
when the best move is clear - there is NO "choice"
when the best move is unclear - there is a "choice"
AN OMNISCIENT GOD IS THE ULTIMATE GRANDMASTER - THE BEST MOVE IS ALWAYS OBVIOUS TO THEM
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@Outplayz
how can an omniscient god have free will ?
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@RationalMadman
thank you for sharing your opinions
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@RationalMadman
It is not at all, for you yourself were incapable of answering it due to how abusively it juxtaposes two immoral things.
OPINION stated as FACT
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@RationalMadman
Exactly, do you agree his scenario was ridiculously worded in order to bait one into either admitting to being totally corrupt or admitting to violating privacy?
speculation about MOTIVE is a text-book ad hominem
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@RationalMadman
Which of the 2 do you lean to and why?
what exactly do you believe might be "accomplished" by making private details of user accounts public knowledge ?
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Please tag me when you make your campaign thread.
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@RationalMadman
Do you agree that being approachable and recognisable to other users matters as the President of this website, who is meant to be the person they turn to whenever they feel moderation isn't doing their job?
you seem to be under the impression that "DebateArt.com President" will be in some position to tell the moderators what they should do
this is not the case
the moderation team can over-rule any recommendations that "DebateArt.com President" might be inclined to suggest
maintaining the full faith of the moderators is just as important as maintaining the full faith of the community
"DebateArt.com President" has no leverage whatsoever over the moderators
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@RationalMadman
If you have a very neglected child or pet animal, it is very advisable to be extra attentive and sensitive to them when helping them recover.
all children and pet animals should be treated with extra attention and sensitivity - regardless of whether or not they were previously subject to trauma
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@RationalMadman
However, if there has been non-uniform attention and effort towards moderating (short of pure banning) within a community that exists on the website, there is already an imbalance that needs to be set to the other direction, do you not agree?
non-uniform enforcement of the past cannot be rectified by non-uniform enforcement moving forward
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@RationalMadman
What is your take on this situation and the approaches he and I take? I believe I am closer to you than to him, from my own perspective.
i cannot speculate on your state of mind and or any hypothetical future actions you may or may not initiate
i cannot speculate on your opponent's state of mind and or any hypothetical future actions they may or may not initiate
i will not act as a moderator for DebateArt.com
i will act as an advisor to the moderators and an advocate for UNIFORM ENFORCEMENT
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@RationalMadman
I believe a primary and significant reason for this is that the members who are active there are so accustomed to a mentality of 'the mods won't care if I complain' that they start to see the only way to handle it as quietly posting around these abusive members or actively retaliating by flaming them back in a flamewar, with a lot of sarcastic commentary combined with direct insult.
specific code-of-conduct violations must be quantifiable
enforcement must be uniform
violating code-of-conduct because one claims they were "provoked" has no bearing on the specific quantifiable violation and the prescribed moderator action
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@RationalMadman
Furthermore, is it possible that you could make it clearer what precisely you'll do?
i am more than happy to discuss any SPECIFIC ACTIONS you might have questions about
my understanding of the role of "DebateArt.com President" is more accurately described as OMBUDSMAN
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@RationalMadman
In your personal opinion (or, perhaps you prefer the term 'objective analysis') is Wylted or myself closer to you in this regard, specifically with our approach to the Religion Forums?
if you would like to discuss a SPECIFIC PROPOSAL i would be more than happy to dissect it
i am not a mind reader
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@Benjamin
nobody choses what to believe, one is convinced by flawed/valid reasoning and experience.
100% THIS
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@RationalMadman
A counterpoint is that God may not be the core of reality, instead God is the apex hijacker of what would otherwise be total random variation. In other words, it is possible that the core of reality is random and that God was randomly generated, controlling the majority of the random variation but leaving a minority of variable totally, genuinely random (could even be nearly 50/50 split).
DEMIURGE
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My platform - any and all code-of-conduct enforcement should be uniform - regardless of the individual being considered and regardless of where they posted
your scathing critique is requested
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@Intelligence_06
In ideal conditions, considering the average teacher teaching an average class in the United States, is it difficult or not?
it is not "difficult" because it is pure luck
all teachers must have at least a 70% pass rate - otherwise they are considered "ineffective" and fired
so, "effective" is a given - any teacher currently employed by the university in question is de facto "effective"
everyone wants to be popular - as well as "effective"
but "effort" to be popular is often counter-productive
popularity is a simple combination of physical attractiveness and social instinct
some are able to fabricate popularity for a short period of time - but it is impossible to sustain - especially when you have a new slate of students every year
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Polytheist-Witch,It's a way for the atheist to hang out in the religion forum and basically ignore all the theist and talk s*** about them and when confronted they can say but we have them on ignore they can't read what I'm saying.
also,
if you're worried about people talking about you behind your back, they can already do that with the current direct-messaging feature
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giving individuals the ability to block other individuals and become mutually-invisible to each other is a good thing -
mutual-invisibility would make moderators very nearly redundant
i would never suggest banning all theists from this site -
i would never suggest banning all atheists from this site -
i would never suggest banning all deists from this site -
i would never suggest banning all gnostics from this site -
i would never suggest banning all poly-atheists from this site -
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@Intelligence_06
it is typically a matter of LUCK and NOT a matter of effort
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Polytheist-Witch,It's a way for the atheist to hang out in the religion forum and basically ignore all the theist and talk s*** about them and when confronted they can say but we have them on ignore they can't read what I'm saying.
the proposed block would be mutual
if someone blocked all the people on the religion forum - they wouldn't be able to read anything on the religion forum
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@Wylted
I have seen sites allow you to hide posts of others from yourself, but hiding your posts from them is stupid
please be slightly more specific
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@ILikePie5
do you have some sort of "sincerity-detection-system" for the info sent directly to your message box ?
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Polytheist-Witch,They don't exist on this site obviously. I mean it's in the rules but nobody does anything with it. I mean if you actually block a person in their profile all that does is keep them from tagging you in a response. So it's a f****** joke it's just there to look good the moderators don't follow up on it.
it also blocks them from sending you friend requests and direct messages
i've discussed this issue with @DebateArt.com and they've indicated that it might be feasible to also hide all posts from a user on your blocked list - rendering all your posts invisible to them and their posts invisible to you
and if that system was currently in place - you wouldn't even be able to read this comment
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@n8nrgmi
i dont know all the details, but im reminded of a funny common situation.1: dont talk to me2: but i want to talk to you1: i said dont talk to me2: but i want to talk to you1. i insist you dont talk to me2: have you considered not talking to me?1: i'm gonna report you for this bad behavior2: that we're talking?1: that you won't quit talkin to me2: but i can't talk to myself if you dont engage with me any more1 I said stop talkingand on and on
100% THIS
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@Wylted
I want you guys to control your future. If you want somebody to radically change this area you enjoy.
any and all code-of-conduct enforcement should be uniform - regardless of the individual being considered and regardless of where they posted
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@Intelligence_06
Taking a lot of time to make an important decision is a bad character for a person.How much time is “a lot”? How important is “an important decision”?
making snap decisions and being inflexible is a reliable indicator of bad character
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@Intelligence_06
It is difficult for teachers to be both popular (students like them) and effective in helping students in learning?How popular or effective exactly is it?
this would make more sense if it was a question - IS IT difficult for teachers to be both popular and effective ?
in which case the answer is "NO" in all cases
while it is not "impossible" for a teacher to be BOTH "popular" and "effective" it is typically a matter of LUCK and NOT a matter of effort
often being well-liked actually contributes to a teacher's effectiveness
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it is also commonly the case that a teachers reputation for rigour can actually contribute to their popularity
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@Intelligence_06
It is better to travel to different countries when you are young than when you are older.What exactly is “young” or “older”?
"young" would indicate - BEFORE typical graduation age
"older" would indicate - AFTER typical graduation age
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@Intelligence_06
Do you agree or disagree with the following statement?It is easier to become an educated person now than in the past.What is “educated”? What is exactly “now” or “the past”?
it is more expensive today (even accounting for inflation) to purchase/earn a DEGREE/DIPLOMA than at any time previously in history
although it is certainly easier to purchase/earn a DEGREE/DIPLOMA than it was 10,000 years ago
so, i believe when they say "in the past" they mean "in the modern era"
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