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PROPOSAL TO END ALL MODERATION "PROBLEMS"
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@ResurgetExFavilla
at least they don't show up on your doorstep at 9 am on a saturday
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Mod Issues
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@RationalMadman
under my proposal

all moderator actions

would send a notification to the affected user

also

if someone blocked you

you would get a notification of the block
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@RationalMadman
giving each individual the ability to filter out content they personally find offensive is NOT "shadowbanning"

and giving mods an option to filter out content they deem "unfit" for public consumption is NO DIFFERENT FROM WHAT THEY ALREADY DO

the main difference here is that under my proposal - - people who are not easily offended could "uncheck" the OPTIONAL mod filter
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@RationalMadman
giving each individual the ability to filter out content they personally find offensive is NOT "shadowbanning"

and giving mods an option to filter out content they deem "unfit" for public consumption is NO DIFFERENT FROM WHAT THEY ALREADY DO

the main difference here is that under my proposal - - people who are not easily offended could "uncheck" the OPTIONAL mod filter
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3RU7AL for DebateArt.com President - Official
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@RationalMadman
giving each individual the ability to filter out content they personally find offensive is NOT "shadowbanning"

and giving mods an option to filter out content they deem "unfit" for public consumption is NO DIFFERENT FROM WHAT THEY ALREADY DO

the main difference here is that under my proposal - - people who are not easily offended could "uncheck" the OPTIONAL mod filter
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Sedition
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@oromagi
There is no question that Locke, Madison, Hamilton, would call for Trump & Co. to hang for their many treasons (Russian and otherwise) from the cherry trees lining the Reflecting Pool before the Lincoln Memorial.
would that happen to include the capital police who opened the doors for the protesters ?

in 33 seconds,
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Listen to the science
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@cristo71
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@Polytheist-Witch
I'm just finally glad one of the crew finally stood up and is actually making an effort to get what they want. Think of all the atheist members that left the board that will come back. Because the idea of all of you going someplace and having your own space isn't good enough for you, you actually have to be in the religion forum blocking theists. It's one of the most extreme  expressions of bigotry I've ever encountered.
i'm not blocking anyone

i'm proposing you should have the option to make all of those annoying atheists disappear from your view at the touch of a button

that way, YOU will never have to suffer the pain of reading another annoying atheist rant ever again
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@RationalMadman
Do you know what ad hominem actually is?

This argument is complete ad hominem because of what you tried to dodge with the personal jibe.
i have made no attempt to "disqualify" you or anything you've said
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@Polytheist-Witch
The goal is for the atheists in the religion forum to block every theist so they have their own little private forum. They don't have to read our posts, they don't have to respond to us and they can say whatever they want and it not come back on them by the mods cuz all they have to say is well they can't read anything.
AND,

YOU WILL ALSO NOT BE ABLE TO READ THE ATHEISTS POSTINGS THAT YOU HATE SO MUCH (IF THEY BLOCK YOU)

MUTUAL-INVISIBILITY

in other words - you will not be bothered by atheists anymore - you will only be able to see posts by people you like

it will be like the evil atheists don't even exist
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@RationalMadman
They could silence you overnight and you wouldn't know until you felt so ignored.
i'm sure there could be some notification process to inform those affected

something like perhaps "YOU'VE BEEN BLOCKED BY RATIONALMADMAN"

or "YOU'VE BEEN BLOCKED BY THE MODERATIONTEAM"
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@RationalMadman
This isn't about me, it's about your proposal. I don't need to justify a single thing I do in order to say your proposal is what it is.
hypothetically speaking - if you find an account offensive - why would you want to continue to read what they write ?
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@RationalMadman
YOU ONLY BECOME INVISIBLE TO THE SPECIFIC PERSON WHO BLOCKS YOU

YOU DO NOT BECOME INVISIBLE TO ANYONE WHO HAS NOT BLOCKED YOU
That's a lie, it just depends what the mods feel like.
IT CAN'T BE A "LIE" BECAUSE IT'S A PROPOSAL
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@RationalMadman
Have you ever considered I'd not be a fan of the block button if it disallowed me to read content?
why would you block someone and then continue to read their posts and reply to them ?
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@Vader
this is basically an enhancement to the current "block" function

full account bans could still be implemented - but they would be much less common and much less urgent

AND this would completely automate the current "restraining order" system
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@Lemming
Fair points,
But for some reason, I'd prefer not to use such a method, myself.
that's the genius of the proposal

it is 100% OPTIONAL

just like the current "block" feature

i don't use the current "block" feature myself - but i understand that it is useful to those who are easily offended
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@Polytheist-Witch
And that is exactly what the atheists have been working for in the religion forum. Removing all theists from the site. All one has to do is complain. This is the guy who wanted fair moderation basically if somebody complains about you you become invisible. I can't think of a bigger POS on the site.
YOU ONLY BECOME INVISIBLE TO THE SPECIFIC PERSON WHO BLOCKS YOU

YOU DO NOT BECOME INVISIBLE TO ANYONE WHO HAS NOT BLOCKED YOU
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@RationalMadman
That sounds more corrupt than anything I have ever heard mods do in my whole life.

That would be gaslighting of the most extreme kind and be so cruel to the user deemed inappropriate.
it's basically an enhancement to the current "block" function you're such a big fan of already
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@Barney
and usually scratching my head for why someone thinks every it's worth my time
exactly
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@Vader
If people feel the need to silence members, they should not be on a debate site
if people don't feel the need to silence members, they should stop "reporting" every tiny little thing to the moderation team

a mod report is a de facto request to silence the "offender"

this proposal is basically an enhancement to the current "block" function

full account bans could still be implemented - but they would be much less common and much less urgent

AND this would completely automate the current "restraining order" system
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@RationalMadman
My 'intolerance' to your intolerance is shared by many. You're a tyrant posing as an anarchist.
you are the king of the "block" function

this is basically an enhancement to the current "block" function

full account bans could still be implemented - but they would be much less common and much less urgent

AND this would completely automate the current "restraining order" system
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@Lemming
If someone does something worth being addressed,
What matters is that someone did something worth being addressed,
if you personally find an account offensive - you can "delete" them - without any action required by a "moderation team"

this would greatly reduce the workload of the moderation team

also, your personal sense of decency may not be shared by other accounts on this site

this proposed system would allow anyone to OPTIONALLY view content that other specific users might consider "inappropriate"

it would completely automate the current "restraining order" system

full account bans could still be implemented - but they would be much less common and much less urgent
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@RationalMadman
your intolerance is not necessarily shared by all members

this would allow you to "delete" any user you wish - without any action required by a "moderation team"

of course you'd also be deleting yourself from their view as well
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@oromagi
  • Is this technically feasible?
  • Would mutual intra-invisibility render some forums unintelligible?  That is, in some conversations with a lot of masked out replies, do we risk making forums hard to follow because of lack of connected replies?
DebateArt.com believes it is feasible with a redesign - 

The invisible replies (and accounts) would ideally be completely missing from view - and not stacks of blank entries -

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PROPOSAL TO END ALL MODERATION "PROBLEMS"

moderation almost always only happens when a user complains

i propose we implement a "mutual-mute" feature

this would make the "problem user" invisible to the complainer

AND

this would also make the complainer invisible to the "problem user"

the mods could make an OPTIONAL moderator-muted-list of users they deemed "inappropriate" so they would be invisible to the public and also invisible to all site members - UNLESS - site members un-checked the OPTIONAL moderator-muted-list
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Mod Issues
PROPOSAL TO END ALL MODERATION "PROBLEMS"

moderation almost always only happens when a user complains

i propose we implement a "mutual-mute" feature

this would make the "problem user" invisible to the complainer

AND

this would also make the complainer invisible to the "problem user"

the mods could make an OPTIONAL moderator-muted-list of users they deemed "inappropriate" so they would be invisible to the public and also invisible to all site members - UNLESS - site members un-checked the OPTIONAL moderator-muted-list
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Free will contradicts theism
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@Fruit_Inspector
You skipped past the part about clarifying what a desire is and the role it plays in choosing.
you skipped past the part where you freely choose your desires
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Big Tech Boycotts
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@Lemming
When you say property, are you referring to personal property?
And/Or Private property?
the colloquial term "property" is intended to include anything you (personally) consider "yours" and would fight to protect
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3RU7AL for DebateArt.com President - Official
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@RationalMadman
How are you going to make the rules quantifiable? Are you aware this is outside the scope of what a President on this website can do?
by asking the moderators to explain the principles on which they base their actions
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Big Tech Boycotts
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@Danielle
@Greyparrot
i've switched my position on ANARCHY recently
For or against? 
redefined

ANARCHY = NO KINGS
ANARCHY = DEMOCRACY
ANARCHY = NO PRIESTS NO PROPHETS NO OLIGARCHS
ANARCHY = NO "LEADERS" ONLY "PUBLIC SERVANTS"
ANARCHY = BLOCKCHAIN ANARCHY = HOLACRACY
ANARCHY = TRANSPARENCY ANARCHY = PROCRUSTEAN LAW

(1) PROTECT YOURSELF
(2) PROTECT YOUR FAMILY
(3) PROTECT YOUR PROPERTY
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@Fruit_Inspector
And this is why I said to Benjamin that our presuppositions play a huge role inhow we examine this issue. What is a desire, and how responsible are we for them? Is a desire considered to be an internal influence or an external influence? Are desires just an illusion produced by chemical reactions in the brain? These are all questions that affect how we view human will and what it means for a will to be free.
the only question you need to answer is

are desires chosen by will

can you decide to like something you are repulsed by

can you decide to be repulsed by something you like
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Free will contradicts theism
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@Fruit_Inspector
I believe humans have a will that is free to make choices, but it is not free to make spontaneous choices free from any prior desires or inclinations. We choose according to our strongest desire at the moment of the choice.
humans are slaves to their desires - desires are not chosen
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Big Tech Boycotts
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@Danielle
Are there any other subjects/current events you find interesting? 
i've switched my position on ANARCHY recently
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@Danielle
pro-VOLUNTARY-vaxx
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3 Rules of Civil Debate
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@sui_generis
???
please be slightly more specific
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Is Inheritance Morally Wrong?
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@RationalMadman
I don't agree that's an issue. If you're with a person you don't get along with, there's no need to force yourself to live through hell. It's not even better for the children.
it's also NOT "monogamy"
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Is Inheritance Morally Wrong?
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@RationalMadman
Due to monogamy being normalised,
more like "serial-polygamy" with divorce being normalized
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Dropping out
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@bmdrocks21
It was a great campaign. Thanks for not splitting the vote! A truly selfless and mature move by you.
i'm pretty certain there will be some kind of run-off if a single candidate fails to garner at least 51% of the votes cast
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DART President Straw Poll
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@thett3
phenomenal
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Big Tech Boycotts
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@thett3
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3 Rules of Civil Debate
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@sui_generis
1 - Establish common ground

2 - Never disqualify your opponent

3 - Only your opponent can grant or deduct points - scores can never go below zero
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3RU7AL for DebateArt.com President - Official
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@Wylted
way to take the conversation in a completely different direction at random
this conversation started with your claim that opinion cannot be divorced from enforcement
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3RU7AL for DebateArt.com President - Official
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@Wylted
Why are you quoting texts that are not quantifiable and up for interpretation?
the core of good rule making is condensing a simple and coherent set of moral principles
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Vote for Airmax1227 : Official thread
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@Vader
3 out of 3. 
and 2 out of 3 to impose a ban ?
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Vote for Airmax1227 : Official thread
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@Vader
I believe unanimous but I could be wrong 
so would that be 4-out-of-4 moderators required to over-rule a presidential-veto ?
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@Wylted
Even if you could possibly do so, the amount of research needed to create a perfect law would take billions of dollars, when you can just get perfection through trial and error
CORPUS JURIS CIVILIS
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@Wylted
and this is the primary vector for corruption of the legal system
The reason case law is used in civilized countries is because you can get pretty absurd, trying to precisely define things. 
To Get Parole, Have Your Case Heard Right After Lunch

By Kate Shaw, Ars Technica Between the courtroom antics of lawyers, witnesses and jurors, reason doesn’t always prevail in our legal system. But judges are trained to be impartial, consistent and rational, and make deliberate decisions based on the case in front of them, right? Actually no, according to a new study in PNAS,
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@Vader
It is still a veto of the ban. Just like in the real congress, they may overturn a veto with a super majority vote
would that happen to be a 3-out-of-4 "super-majority" at the moment ?
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@RationalMadman
Even in the real world, there are lapses in precise quantifiability in law, it's why judges are humans and not robots, so that they can adjust sentences to the severity of violation and judge the sort of character of the criminal and how likely they are to reoffend vs rehabilitate.
and this is the primary vector for corruption of the legal system
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@RationalMadman
Sorry RM, I am done playing polite with you. You are being a huge douchebag to airmax, and it's pathetic. Especially coming from someone who seeks to represent the community and the website. 
You were never polite to me, so much so you even disrespected consent regarding screenshots of me elsewhere.

You are a very impolite guy overall and pride yourself on being it so I'm unsure why this would be something you think would surprise me. You have been a complete displeasure to deal with during this campaign process, not because you are against me but the way you've done it. You go beyond what others do and directly try to make me seem evil and sinister.
it's like watching a master-class on how NOT to negotiate consensus
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