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Is it moral to give money to beggers
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@Lemming
And every time I am reminded that I am not following morality, as I was taught in Christianity.
how would you describe your current core moral principle ?
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Is it moral to give money to beggers
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@Double_R
I would certainly not say it’s immoral to give them money,
by what moral theory ?
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@Lemming
Without money,
An individual often suffers,
food, clothing, and shelter existed long before money
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Is it moral to give money to beggers
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@zedvictor4
Why do we make up all this stuff?
great question
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Is it moral to give money to beggers
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@Lemming
Myself I would say no,
Though that there are exceptions.

To my mind the 'moral action, would be to attempt to get them out of that lifestyle,
But the average person is not willing to risk themselves, or their funds, in what they expect often a hopeless endeavor.
For which they are not qualified.
They expect many individuals to prefer said lifestyle, possess an addiction, or mental handicap that 'keeps them to it.

If one is not going to help them, you say, perhaps the 'next most moral act 'would be to give them the money,
But I'd argue giving them directions to a public service that will 'actually help them, or feed them, to be better.
Better than a prolongation of their current lifestyle.
Better to give the money to a charity, or 'work in such a charity oneself.
how many homeless people have you actually met ?
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after twenty-odd years, I'm transcending christianity…
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@sui_generis
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Scamdemic
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@thett3
That said I’m totally against the mandates,
100% THIS
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Is cryptocurrency a speculative asset or a currency?
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@rbelivb
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Scamdemic
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@Danielle
Do you believe all the researchers at the Mayo Clinic and Johns Hopkins are lying? 
of course not

i only trust data from CDC.GOV

CDC.GOV confirmed the updated age-specific survival rates: 0-19 years old, 99.997 percent; 20-49 years old, 99.98 percent; 50-69 years, 99.5 percent; and 70 years old or older, 94.6 percent.

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Scamdemic
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@Danielle
every government on earth loves the idea of a "loyalty-oath"
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Is cryptocurrency a speculative asset or a currency?
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@rbelivb
a genuine use case
when i heard on the news that visa and mastercard and paypal were cutting off payments from people who wanted to donate to wikileaks - - that was the moment i knew the REAL utility of bitcoin
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DebateArt.com 2022 Election Voting
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@Vader
I vote for 3RU7AL.
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An Interview with 3RU7AL
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@Castin
Would you consider organizing on Twitter as well? DART needs a Twitter account for maximizing recruitment.
no.
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An Interview with Airmax
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@Sum1hugme
Who tf even is airmax? I can't find his profile on here.
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Feds admit jan 6 was a false flag
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@Danielle
who has been groomed to be a politician since childhood
just like nearly every other career politician

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@Danielle
perhaps, it would make sense to hear directly from the individuals themselves

for example

when an atheist describes christians - the description is often somewhat unfair

and when a christian describes atheists - the description is often somewhat unfair

just listen to the first two minutes of this if you get a chance

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Section 230
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@Danielle
the petrol-station is not responsible for the bank-robbery

the automobile manufacturer is not responsible for the bank-robbery

the weapon manufacturer is not responsible for the bank-robbery

the clothing manufacturer is not responsible for the bank-robbery

the road-construction company is not responsible for the bank-robbery

the telephone company is not responsible for the bank-robbery
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Mod Issues
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@Wylted
rhetorical tactics
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Genuine Discussions
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@Wylted
That's pretty much what christians were like back when torquemada was murdering thousands of indigenous pagans.
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Genuine Discussions
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@Wylted
You don't really see Jews flying planes into buildings, or Christians actually beheading muslim reporters and soldiers on camera for fun. There is just one religion that creates these sorts of extremists, who feel they have a duty to kill as many non muslims as humanly possible.
atheists commit all sorts of atrocities

jews commit all sorts of atrocities

christians commit all sorts of atrocities

muslims commit all sorts of atrocities

even god-damned buddhists commit all sorts of atrocities
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Feds admit jan 6 was a false flag
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@Danielle
batshit crazy friends who all hate the government and want to overthrow it?
oh, you must be talking about the people who say

"DEFUND THE POLICE"
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@Wylted
The fact you can't defeat that argument, surprises me just about as much as it surprises me that you don't know how capitalization works.
i remain unconvinced by your rhetorical tactics
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Listen to the science
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@ResurgetExFavilla
I predicted that Covid would never be eradicated - it has animal reservoirs and mutates way too fast - I was right.
exactly - this is the longest "two weeks" of my life
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3RU7AL for DebateArt.com President - Official
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@Polytheist-Witch
At the mods are going to go ahead and deem someone bad enough for a banned list they might as well ban the person from the site.
it would be nice to have more than one option

regardless

this proposal still works as an enhancement to the current "restraining order" and "block" functions

even if

you completely remove the "ban" conversation
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3RU7AL for DebateArt.com President - Official
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@RationalMadman
If you are being specific to Lunatic and myself I am not going to get baited into instigating against him.

You just can't help but get personal when you run out of any real arguments.
i'm not referring specifically to you

i'm suggesting that the "restraining-orders" of the past have been specifically between two individuals
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3RU7AL for DebateArt.com President - Official
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@RationalMadman
If you can still be banned, then your proposal is even less sensible than I originally thought. You have essentially resolved nothing then.
think of it as a sort of half-ban

like "probation"

for some pre-defined time limit
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3RU7AL for DebateArt.com President - Official
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@RationalMadman
from what i can tell

the overwhelming majority of "complaints" are filed by one specific user regarding one other specific user

these complaints could be mitigated by making these two users invisible to each other

this would leave the rest of the community members free to interact with both users as normal if they wish

without requiring constant "babysitting" by the moderation team
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@RationalMadman
You did that only afterwards.
do you know what a discussion is ?
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@RationalMadman
Why? Why should somebody who violates site rules be able to remain and be visible to others who opt-in while continuing to break site rules?
this proposal would not replace the ban

you could still be banned - just like you can today

just banned - that has nothing to do with this proposal

the muted-list and mutual-invisibility would be more of an enhancement to the current "restraining-order" and "block" functions

very specifically to reduce the overall workload on the moderation team
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3RU7AL for DebateArt.com President - Official
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@RationalMadman
Yes, an amendment you made post-suggestion but even with that how the hell can this user contact others to get them to opt-in to reading their posts?

Even worse, new users to the site won't even know that user exists.
we are discussing an idea

this is a proposal

it is not written-in-stone

THE PRIVATE MESSAGING FUNCTION WOULD NOT BE INVISIBLE TO PEOPLE ON YOUR FRIENDS LIST - YOU COULD MESSAGE THEM TO LET THEM KNOW

OR

PERHAPS THE MUTED-LIST COULD AUTOMATICALLY MAKE YOU VISIBLE TO PEOPLE ON YOUR FRIENDS LIST - THAT ALSO SEEMS REASONABLE

AS FOR NEW USERS

PERHAPS YOUR FRIENDS COULD REACH OUT TO THE NEW USERS AND SUGGEST THEY OPT-OUT OF THE MODERATOR MUTED-LIST
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3RU7AL for DebateArt.com President - Official
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@RationalMadman
Okay and why would the mods want this user remaining but banned in some deceptive mindgame? Are they welcome in the community or not? Are they behaving in acceptable way or not? Which is it?
they would be visible to those who want to interact with them

and invisible to those who do not specifically choose to interact with them
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@RationalMadman
Be precise, which part of it disqualifies it as shadow-banning?
the mods would be required to notify any user who was added to the muted-list

ipso-facto

NOT a "shadowban"
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@RationalMadman
everybody's defaulted in including people who aren't signed up to the website and can't opt-in.
this is correct

under the CURRENT SYSTEM if someone is banned - they can't message anyone

under the PROPOSAL - if someone is muted by the mods - the muted (not banned) can message people on their friends list and request their friends OPT-OUT of the moderator's default "NSFW" style muted-list - in order to interact with them 
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@Wylted
The term shadow banning has always been from the site owner making a person think their post is seen,
i very specifically stipulated that all targets of moderator action would be notified
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@Wylted
Of course. That thread doesn't state we are. Your platform is the first thing mentioned in the thread and an explanation at why you would not be able to fulfill your platform as easily as airmax is also listed. Go to the thread and respond, unless you agree with it, I. Which case just do the ethical thing and drop out.
i am unconvinced
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@Wylted
we're not voting on site owner
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Listen to the science
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@FLRW
which specific claims (regarding current vaccine policy) do you believe are false ?
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@Mikal
My vote would go to entirely subjective at adherent to white flame as head mod 
whiteflame has been nothing short of impressive

however, i make it a policy to trust systems over individuals

whiteflame may become unavailable without warning - as all humans

if we have a durable system in place - whiteflame is a valued asset

but 

NOT



necessity
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Listen to the science
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@FLRW
On his personal website, Twitter, and LinkedIn, Dr. Robert Malone has been promoting himself as the inventor of mRNA vaccines. This is misleading. In 1989, Malone published a paper titled "Cationic liposome-mediated RNA transfection." While this paper is an example of his important contribution to the then-emerging field, it does not make him the inventor of mRNA vaccines.
it also make him a qualified expert
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@badger
If the science is fake, it's fake. We'll know. We'll be told by the people that have a clue. 
specific flaws in pfizer's corporate "science"

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@FLRW
how do you plan on discrediting Robert Malone ?
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@badger
I am probably not going to watch that, but if you want to give me some key takeaways I'll hear them. 
Robert Malone is, by any measure, an expert.

He points out, quite plainly that there is no medicine on earth that is "one-size-fits-all"

He also points out that the covidz vaccines have been reasonably shown to reduce extreme symptoms - specifically for those over 65 years of age

He also points out that it is irresponsible for politicians to suggest that vaccinated people won't spread covidz

the vaccine reduces extreme symptoms - it does not - prevent infection and spread

if you've already been infected and recovered from teh covidz - - your chances of being hospitalized upon a second infection are next to nil
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@Mikal
Some of these cases are so unique you have to almost treat them differently. 
if

some "unique case" highlights a failure of the rules

then

a proposal to modify the rules should be presented for review
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@Mikal
You guys need to really get off the letter of the law and look more toward the spirit. 
UNIFORM ENFORCEMENT
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@Mikal
It's considered mutual engagement.
100% THIS
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@FLRW
after their recovery are more than 2 times as likely to get COV
do you know the difference between "relative risk" and "absolute risk" ?
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@badger
Now I don't know much about this, but every fucking person should have gotten vaccinated. There was a whole world of scientists and regulatory bodies behind this thing. There might have been a billion years of education between them. But we're here dealing with clowns waving about random shit they found on Facebook, never read a book in their lives. Give me a break. 
inventor Of mRNA Vaccine Technology, Robert Malone

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@badger
I'm not so sure you have a point. You made some little mention of ideological agenda and maybe the person isn't using the science properly. But what's your point? If scientists overwhelmingly agree that we should all get vaccinated, and of course neither you nor I is a virologist or chemist or whoever the fuck cooks this shit up, why shouldn't I say listen to the science? Scientists are effective leadership in things scientific. It's next to obey me, so what? They've got PhD's, they can speak authoritatively. 
vaccines do nothing except TRIGGER YOUR OWN IMMUNE SYSTEM

this is how vaccines have ALWAYS WORKED

even the mRNA "therapy" works this way

nothing in the shot "attacks" teh covidz

vaccines merely trick your body into reacting AS IF it is being attacked by some dangerous pathogen

THEREFORE

MANDATORY VACCINES FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE ALREADY BEEN INFECTED (AND RECOVERED) FROM TEH COVIDZ IS IDIOTIC

I AM NOW

AND I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN

EXTREMELY PRO-VOLUNTARY-VAXX
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@RationalMadman
Strange amendment.

How is this user meant to tell others to unmute them if they're completely muted?

Would it apply to PMs?
i have always believed that people who are ALREADY on your "friends list" should be able to be messaged - - even by a "banned" user

if someone doesn't want to be messaged - they can remove the user from their "friends list" and or "block" them
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PROPOSAL TO END ALL MODERATION "PROBLEMS"
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@zedvictor4
pure poetry
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