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@Shila
Every population has homosexuals and zoosexuals, it's an an endemic deviance and understandably a common one given how much time humans spend thinking about other animals as people.The fact that beastiality is mentioned in the Bible and condemns it proves the Jews were guilty of beastiality.
Of course jews did bestiality, everybody did bestiality; everybody (as in some people in every nation and religion) still does bestiality.
I mean hindus used to tolerate it and islam used to be on the fence.
The philistines (a phoenician type civilization) probably had no problem with it (they also sacrificed children to their false gods), and the eygptians likely had no problem with it either, even incorporating it into more than one sacred myth.
Greeks probably had more of a problem with it but would have seemed tolerant by today's standards.
Hebrews loved to contrast themselves with the idolaters and probably were keen on picking bestiality as a uniquely idolater thing to do (and then pretending god told them to stop).
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@WyIted
That's pretty general, I only know how to kill geologists: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhgEiusHrNg
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Here you have to go to the people trying to hate on Islam to find these fatwas:
(Hindus were definitely more permissive of bestiality than Muslims, it's hilarious and sad that they're all busy fighting each other over who didn't do it when they both did)
That's progress for you: Stop eating pigs, stop having sex with sheep, only beat your slaves on friday, start killing your neighbors because they hate god
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@IlDiavolo
@Lemming
If you refer to the muslims, you've got to know they have the bad habit of having sex with animals.
They have a bad habit of throwing homosexuals off buildings, killing their female family members over premarital sex, and constantly trying to take over the world violently.
Having some fun with the goats is the least of their sins.
Hadith isn't scripture, there have been contradictory fatwas
Basically about 500 years ago they really hated anal sex in the middle east, probably something about not being able to clean yourself because of lack of water. So it was like "If it's between your mare and your male slave, choose the mare", and other ones which were like "if you masturbate or have sex with a female animal you can't go to prayer loser"
and the rules were completely different for women. Women's job was to be totally celibate without even masturbation until somebody decided to start making babies with her. They always kill the woman for bestiality.
This is remembering from the last time I looked into it, could be remembering improperly but it isn't easy to find. Obviously modern imams and 'scholars' try to hide the embarrassing stuff and put the more palatable takes in front.
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@IlDiavolo
Well, blacks are known for having enormous dicks so it's a good reference. I once heard that the the black's dick is like a toddler's arm holding an apple.
I have not observed this.
Besides, I'm basically saying that considering the law of talion the most suitable punishment for the rapist is to be sodomized.
If somebody really hates grapefruit and is force fed grapefruit but the guy who did the force feeding loves grapefruit it's not really an eye for an eye.
Nobody wants their eyes gouged out. Some people like to be sodomized, and if those people are clever they will pretend to not want to be sodomized so their punishment isn't worse.
Would you look at how off topic we are. Isn't this fun? Can we insert aliens into this? They like sticking things up butts right?
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@IlDiavolo
I didn't before you forced me to look it up just now. The cocks I look up are mostly red, don't really have a race fetish.
I know you were just making a point but I don't think sexual assault is an appropriate punishment by a civilized people. If you think they're that bad just kill them and be done with it.
Besides, the rapist may like it; or at least like it a lot more than their victim did.
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@IlDiavolo
So, anyone should expect the criminal to get what he deserves which is being sodomized by a BBC.
So the television license fee? That's dark.
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@n8nrgim
If he was honest, he was an honest man in a dirty business.
I am not saying it's dirty to deny claims, but the whole system has the scent of sociopathy on it.
Nobody knows who is paying for what, nobody cares, government is trying to make preexisting conditions required coverage (which is contradiction to the definition of insurance), they just want a magic "pay it" and the way the health care industry has evolved to simply assume everybody is going to have insurance which will pay absurd prices is sickening.
They don't even check, they just make you sign something that says you'll pay one way or another, they won't give you a quote, the insurance company won't guarantee a payout until AFTER the procedure is done, and everybody acts like this utter insanity is normal.
It should all be destroyed and I am not surprised the system screwed someone over so badly that they snapped. Of course county bureaucrats are just as deserving but to each his own....
The solution is: Get government force the hell out of private market. Doctors are highly educated professionals who will always earn good money, but the waste and grift is unacceptable and the only way that will go down is when people start looking at the bill.
Medications and procedures should be chosen through an adversarial system and through the resolution of that system preapproved by insurance companies. The plans should be comprehensible.
Long term and preexisting conditions should be paid with HSAs and not insurance.
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@Best.Korea
Well at least in a burning bushI wonder why God doesnt do that anymore. Or any other miracles. Or anything.
He never did, he doesn't exist, what has changed now is people now have considerable powers of investigation and the bias against skeptics in the historical record has evaporated.
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@Best.Korea
Yep, that is analogous to what Shila was implying.Homosexuals are incapable of rape, what an amazing sexual orientation!Are heterosexuals incapable of rape?You can argue anything by just changing the definition of it.I define "pedophiles" as someone attracted to children but who is incapable of harming a child. Thus, pedophiles are harmless.
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@rosends
It's not, just making sure you have no substantial counterarguments.Why is your vision supposed to convince me of anything?
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@Double_R
It's OK when the crimes are fake or victimless.You mean like lying about your drug use on a gun application, or evading taxes that you already paid back?
I don't see why you would assume that I thought these were victimless or fake...
I do think they're victimless so I don't mind Hunter being pardoned for them. I mean especially the tax thing.
However the crimes Hunter hasn't been charged with yet were included in the pardon had victims, the entire American people and probably a lot of people in Ukraine and China too.
It's not OK when the crimes are real with real victims.Like inciting a mob attack on the US Capitol that resulted in 140 Capitol police officers getting their heads bashed in along with the death of one of the rioters?
Punching back isn't immoral. It takes quite a lot to get me to side with the government when it comes to violence.
Also lying to the public in order to cover up you stealing from the public is not OK.You mean like running a fake university or stealing from your own charity?
Yes
That's the algorithm I'm using.Clearly not
Not so clear.
And when Trump pardons people who committed crimes on his own behalf that’s also fineSo what do you make about the time period the pardon for Hunter was for?What do you make of Trump pardoning people who were convicted for crimes they committed on his own behalf? You forgot to address that.
In general I doubt they committed immoral acts.
it makes perfect sense that he would take the time period republicans zeroed in on off the table.
Uh huh, and the crimes in that time they were zeroing in on would be the crimes of soliciting and facilitating bribery and various other conspiracy charges in service of the man who just pardoned him.
So therefore we don't hold Trump to any standards when assessing his egregious abuses of the pardon power.
So therefore Trump is not a hypocrite and a liar in the way Biden is.
Hunter was prosecuted only because his last name was Biden.
and suddenly you care about prosecutorial motivations, you didn't when it was Trump & friends.
It's when the orders are coming from the top, and we both know neither Joe Biden or Merrick Garland was orchestrating this.
The main reason that's plausible is because Joe Biden and Merrick Garland are probably not the top of the power structure they belong to.
It is entirely implausible that these kangaroo courts and witch trials spontaneously appeared in a temporal cluster before an election as opposed to in some way related to the timing of the supposed crimes and offenses. It is entirely implausible that lawyers who worked at the DOJ left high ranking high paying DC jobs to go to work for Fani Willis just before she went after Trump.
and even if it was a grassroots conspiracy to "get Trump" why the fuck should I care? It's still lawfare. You don't give a shit that no connection has been made between breaching the capitol and Trump besides Trump telling them what's on the line, why should I care if your guy's attacks were centrally planned?
That isn't warfare
I believe the phrase is "don't piss on me and call it rain".
If it quacks like a duck and walks like a duck...
The first thing reason advises is to look at precedent. That is precisely what you people (and you in particular Double R) didn't give a shit about.Provide one relevant example here
This is after demanding you find a precedent like five times:
I know you have not and will not produce a single precedent that anything DJT said about EJC was defamation.[Double_R] If I have to explain to you what context means and the role it plays in communicating with other human beings, there's no way I'm about to waste my time citing legal precedent with you.
It is unclear how far Trump & friends will twist and distort the law, how little they will care about precedent; but I won't be weeping tears of blood if they do because...Because you're an unprincipled hypocrite as this statement here demonstrates.
The principle in play is known as the golden rule.
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@rosends
your value position about something's being "always wrong" is irrelevant as the text's position trumps yours,
because it came from god, therefore slavery should be inconvenient but not forbidden.
Also don't try to union set this "well just because he tells you how to keep slaves doesn't mean that he's telling you slavery must be permitted"
That's like finding a recipe for pork belly in there and saying "look, pork is still forbidden, just if we're GOING to sin we may as well follow the recipe god gave us". It doesn't work and any honest person would admit it.
This is what a perfect god would say about slavery (if it was immoral as we now believe): Don't hold slaves. If this commandment is too burdensome don't mistreat your slaves or else your punishment will be worse.
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@Amber
Pardons do not squash evidence.IOW, it literally throws anything and everything on the laptop inadmissible in court.
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@Shila
any lying, and confirming lawfare, and being a total hypocrite.Biden is only exercising his powers in the time he has left.
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See what I'm talking about, now it's "consenting adults"Homosexuals pursue consenting adults.
Homosexuals are incapable of rape, what an amazing sexual orientation!
Are heterosexuals incapable of rape?
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@Double_R
Truly it's a bad time to be a left-tribe hack.It’s hilarious how terrible it is when the left does it, but when Trump pardons a convicted felon and then names him as an ambassador to France that’s ok
It's OK when the crimes are fake or victimless.
It's not OK when the crimes are real with real victims.
Also lying to the public in order to cover up you stealing from the public is not OK.
That's the algorithm I'm using.
And when Trump pardons people who committed crimes on his own behalf that’s also fine
So what do you make about the time period the pardon for Hunter was for?
It’s almost as if you guys really do understand basic morality and ethics
My basic morality was never "whatever people under color of law say is moral" and it never will be.
Hypocrisy is a problem in two ways. It is a moral problem and it is a logical problem.
It is a moral problem with the hypocrisy arises out of intentional dishonesty with your professed principles.
It is a logical problem when you have made a logical error that has allowed you to delude yourself into thinking there is no contradiction. Trump never swore off pardons. Trump never implied that lawfare was made up. Biden and friends did. They're the hypocrites here. They're the ones who expected everyone to laugh away "lawfare" as a silly concept nobody could take seriously.
Now they believe in it, they believe in it only when the people they don't trust have the gun. "oooh lawfare is real when Trump is in charge because he doesn't care about the law".
You can't have it both ways.
Either the system is corruptible or it isn't
If it is, then once again as always: There is no substitute for reason.
The first thing reason advises is to look at precedent. That is precisely what you people (and you in particular Double R) didn't give a shit about.
Thus I continue to conclude that lawfare is real, the left-tribe started it and brought it to near democracy toppling levels, and now as always they project their sins onto the other side. "confession through projection".
It is unclear how far Trump & friends will twist and distort the law, how little they will care about precedent; but I won't be weeping tears of blood if they do because government and morality are not identical. At a certain level of conflict the law becomes another battlefield, the resolution of moral issues through the law is itself a matter of negotiated consensus. We can stop shooting when the enemy surrenders and whether peace (law and order) can be restored at that point is up to the future generations to decide.
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@rosends
you are using your value judgment and applying it to the world of the text. That's a logical error.
No it is not. Creating elaborate structures of redefinition and reinterpretation which you do not apply consistently is a logical error.
If what god says can't be trusted to give the whole truth and nothing but the truth regardless of transient human error then either he isn't god or his goal is not to tell us the truth but something else.
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@Shila
Some pedophiles are homosexuals. When you go after boys as a man that means your homosexual.
I won't tolerate the injection of morality into these words. i.e. homosexual = same sex sexuality but only when it's good
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@Shila
So by "is in no position to complain" you meant "can't call the police".
Irrelevant.
They can't complain if they're left outside in the cold without food either. Still people are allowed to keep dogs as pets because the possibility of abuse doesn't give you the right to prevent all relationships.
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@Shila
Yes, they are. Loyalty is not measured by never complaining. I repeat: If you don't think a dog will communicate dissatisfaction at a state of affairs because of "loyalty" you haven't known a dog.Dogs are known to be loyal to their owners.
Loyalty means they won't abandon their pack, not that they won't communicate.
Animals don’t have such moral codes except eat or be eaten.
Reducing higher animal intelligence to "eat or be eaten" is a colossal oversimplification, but we don't need to talk about that unless you had a point?
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@rosends
Truth: slavery is always wrongwhat's a "half-truth commandment"?
Half-truth: slavery should be inconvenient
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@rosends
If god is willing to give half-truth commandments to accommodate the contemporary culture, how can you trust anything else?
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@rosends
Bringing us back to: god is telling you people can be owned is he not?
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@cristo71
Every POTUS pardons everyone in his admin for everything past and future every inauguration day?He didn't just pardon.Yeah, actually I do have an issue with the blanket pardon. What’s next— a future acts pardon?
That's why lawfare was a box that the deep state should not have opened.
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@Greyparrot
Preaching to the choir, but the problem isn't solved so long as DC zombies are the jury pool for federal employees.The courts are simply too unreliable to trust anymore when they can fabricate felonies out of a QuickBooks drop down.
That's an unacceptable advantage in lawfare that the left-tribe has.
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@rosends
Jewish law?The fact is, Jewish law is complicated
If it was only claimed to be jewish law then I don't think anybody would be surprised. It's the ones who think this stuff was directly related commandments from god that have some explainin to do.
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@Greyparrot
He didn't just pardon.
He blanket pardoned, all the way back to when he was selling US foreign policy.
AND THEN he said the reason was lawfare.
Truly it's a bad time to be a left-tribe hack.
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@Shila
The the second case the dog is fully aware of what is happening and is in no position to complain.
If you think a living dog is in no position to complain you've never met a dog.
Also if the "being alive" is the problem what about just killing the animal before sex? That make you feel better about it? <- this is a question that exposes the silliness, not an endorsement
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@Shila
Her boyfriend was arrested as an accessory so I think he was the dog owner and in on itMcClure’s former boyfriend filed a criminal complaint on Aug. 7 at the police station’s front desk. According to Taylor police, the man produced surveillance video of McClure committing a sex act with his dog in the man’s living room.
You are reading something else. There was no "McClure" in the link Wylted gave.
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@WyIted
It's actually two stories.
Standard preamble: I am taking the story at face value and everything I say is predicated on that premise. I make no warranty about the accuracy of the Toronto sun or the story.
They used this image in the story: https://smartcdn.gprod.postmedia.digital/torontosun/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/GettyImages-454238885-scaled-e1680119243301.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=944&type=webp&sig=_tw1QvwLRIg1J9OpyIpTiw
That's a puppy. They're trying to manipulate the reader by using a different dog of a different age which looks "innocent and cute".
At an earlier hearing, court heard how Marshall and Reaney caused unnecessary suffering to the pug by “regularly subjecting him to habitual sexual activity.”
<sarcasm> An adult male who is regularly subjected to habitual sexual activity. The horror. Somebody save that poor dog! </sarcasm>
“failed to protect him from pain and suffering caused by habitual sexual activity.”
<sarcasm>Yep, sex is terrible. Don't ask where puppies come from. Just get angry.</sarcasm>
If only the New York Conservation cops would come to do the right thing and rescue this poor tortured animal from his habitual sexual activity and then chop off his head to look for rabies that they damn well know isn't there.
BTW, whenever a zoosexual is caught; I get angry about how the humans are treated, but when (and it often happens) the animals are killed I lose it. Like I go attack inanimate objects angry. So I'm not going to try and find out this time please don't tell me if they kill charlie.
If I ever murder someone it will probably be because they killed a beloved animal with a family and gave their delusional self-righteous nonsense as an excuse.
The man also pleaded guilty to one count of voyeurism and three counts of possessing extreme pornographic images relating to sexual acts involving a “dead/alive animal.”
These guilty pleas don't mean anything. I am a bit embarrassed it took nearly 10 years of my adult life to realize the obvious: When prosecutors have the ability to make deals if you plead guilty or give testimony of course it doesn't mean anything.
That is and always has been a flaw in the legal system. There should be no plea deals, no short cuts, no opportunities to frighten or intimidate defendants and witnesses. The key to ending corruption is to remove corrupt motivations and these deals as well as prosecutorial discretion is nothing but one big mountain of potentially corrupt motivation.
If they have proof then they need to prove it, not just convince the defendant/lawyer that the jury would be against them, as they would in this case due to irrational disgust.
And he copped to making indecent photographs or pseudo-photographs of children.
What is a pseudo-photograph?
First off I just want to apologize to my family, my friends, my community, I know I caused a lot of hurt and a lot of shame and a lot of mistrust and I accept full responsibility for that. there is no excuse
There are plenty of excuses, but they will unethically punish you harder for using them so I understand why you would pretend to be sorry. Same thing happened with Jan 6 protestors, they were forced to sign letters of apology which were basically "orange-man is hitler, elections are perfect".
I consider any modification to punishment based on expressed moral opinion or contriteness to be forced speech and a violation of the 1st amendment.
Rosales still faces three felony charges in Washington County for sexual misconduct by school staff, as well as two charges of misconduct in office.
Doesn't sound like a criminal statute...
That hasn't been proven (the article proves nothing), but I don't think that law can be justified. If you want to blacklist him from working for the government again sure, but two consenting adults can do whatever the hell they want (morally).
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Remember that Hunter was convicted of 3 felonies. Remember that Republican's think that a person convicted of 34 felonies should be President.
Just count every day Hunter didn't confess as another 3 felonies of the exact same name. So that's 5400 felonies.... ooohhh baaaad very baaad big number baaaad!
(for the honest reader, go look up those "34" felonies; they're regular payments. It's like charging you with a 48 felonies for subscribing to netflix for four years)
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@rosends
In other words "these aren't the droids you're looking for" NOW GO AWAY BEFORE I TAUNT YOU A SECOND TIME!The laws of relationships and such are intricate and complex. Taking a verse and expecting to explain it in a vacuum is not fruitful.
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@Shila
Well he said he would leave his son out:Well Joe Biden lies about pardoning his son (among many other things), so if I assume he's going to eat my dog....Biden was just exercising his presidential pardon powers before leaving office. Why would he leave out his son?
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@Double_R
Well Joe Biden lies about pardoning his son (among many other things), so if I assume he's going to eat my dog....
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Keeping COVID out entirely was never an option. The goal for any reasonable country was to minimize it's spread in order to minimize it's death count until we could get a vaccine to the public.
A made up goal inconsistent with history and biology.
It turned out exactly was would be predicted by actual science.
It's not a coincidence that once we got past the initial spread which of course was going to hit metro areas first, the red states all saw the highest death rates.
So discounting all the death in the blue cities the rest of the death was in red areas... durrrrhhh....
It's our behavior that ultimately determined the effect of the virus.
So by results you mean "I told you to do X and you didn't do exactly X therefore I'm an expert by default". Where are these results you spoke of?
deferring to people who actually know what they're talking about because they actually put in the time and work required to understand it.
Contrast with "somebody knows a truth"
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@Lemming
Jeez with a conversion mechanism like that no wonder Islam took over. All you have to do is say the same thing three times in a row."It is not a synonym to slavery as we know it. A bondman is an intermediate state between being a gentile and converting to Judaism. As long as he serves his master he’s a “half-Jew” and needs to observe all Mitzvot that women observe, incl. all 365 negative ones. After he is sent free he becomes a Jew.
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@Savant
Which means neither is good enough.so your emotional appeal is as good as mine.
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@Shila
In those days a non virgin would have a hard time finding a partner. It was expected if you raped or had sex with a women you were expected to marry her.
Yea, everybody (educated) knows that.
Deuteronomy makes perfect sense as the result of bronze age elders writing about the moral framework and concepts they had experience with.
It just doesn't make sense as the transcendental and eternal truth as delivered by god to man, to be obeyed for all time.
It was written by men with the biases and irrationality of men at that time. The morality of today is still the morality of men, it still has bias and irrationality, men still claim it's the will of god.
So, as I have said before: To study humanity study history, once you have studied humanity you will be unable to escape the conclusion that ALL epistemology is unreliable except reason. It consumes all other options because the very act of trying to defend another one automatically tries to use reason imperfectly.
Just replace Isaiah 45:5:
Reason is the way to the Truth, and there is no other; apart from reason there is no truth. It will strengthen you, though you have not acknowledged it,
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@Owen_T
Anyone who kidnaps someone and either sells them or still has them when they are caught must be put to death. Anyone who kidnaps a man must die. Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a result. However, if the slave recovers after a day or two, they are not to be punished; for the slave is their property.
Ah Exodus 21:20-21
Super reliable, that's why I take 22:18 very seriously and always obey it :)
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@Mall
Pedophiles are as about as bad you say. What about necrophiles?
Idiot bot, the dead can't be harmed.
It's at worse offensive to the sensibilities, completely different arena.
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@WyIted
If smacking someone on the butt turns them gay then Alex Jones is a prophet.
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@WyIted
It's a bias in the study. Only whiners (forgive the term, I don't mean to diminish actual childhood trauma) sign up to these things.
I'm bi (and 'worse') and nobody molested me. I know a lot of sexual deviants and it's true some of them were abused but the number is not 80%, it's not 75%, it's not 50%, it's maybe 20% and that's being very generous with definition of abuse.
Notice your second link included "emotional abuse", yea when I was a kid being told I couldn't get another lego set until I got an 'A' counted as emotional abuse, but it's not trauma unless it still hurts years later.
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@WyIted
It's true, he could have called for the death of some kind of unpopular demographic... like redit mods... and nobody would have had a problem with it.
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@RemyBrown
A statement of criminal/immoral intention is a threat and an act.Would you kill the man who tells you he wants to fuck your 8 year old son?
Depends on the context because the context informs (among other things) what he means by "want".
One of these days a repressed sexual deviant is going to get his/her hands on some weaponized plague or a nuclear weapon.No repressed person gets ahold of these things.
You haven't a clue.
who knows how much suffering has already been caused because of it?I don't care about suffering. It's too short term.
There is no temporal limit in the definition of suffering Underdog.
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@RemyBrown
If you had an 8 year old child and an adult (lets say this guy) said they wanted to fuck your child
A statement of criminal/immoral intention is a threat and an act.
pedophiles want to fuck your child
You're equivocating on the word "want" mixing up specific intent with subconscious instinct.
If subconscious instinct counted as a "want" I "want" to kill everybody who insults me. Every husband "wants" to murder males who get to close to their wife.
He hasn't acted on it and is innocent, but who cares?
I care. If someone hasn't acted and hasn't acted to prepare to act you're basically talking about a thought crime.
Civilization is hard enough without making mortal enemies of people who don't need to be your enemy. One of these days a repressed sexual deviant is going to get his/her hands on some weaponized plague or a nuclear weapon.
You're basically telling them "use it, this is total war, your existence is bound to something you can't control and that makes you evil"
If you think they wouldn't rather see the world burn than go quietly into the night you're gravely mistaken.
Who know how many sociopaths have been created by that belief already, who knows how much suffering has already been caused because of it?
You might want to read it again.The founders viewed you as non-human merely for being black.
Spreading misinformation again? How unsurprising.
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@Best.Korea
Cristo didn't say anything about killing innocent people.So far vote count:Should be killed: 2Shouldnt be killed: 1
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@RemyBrown
You don't care about much, that's why I don't care about you.If that offends you, then I don't care.
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