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@n8nrgim
Trump was convicted of falsifying business records, which normally is a misdemeanor. No worse than and actually less serious than shop lifting. It only becomes felonious when fraud was also committed. The jury I think didn't agree what fraud was committed, just that there was fraud.So it looks like the reasoning is circular... it's fraud, just because it's fraud. It's a felony, just because it's a felony.
It's often the case when the government wants to make an example.
Like resisting arrest -> why were you arrested? = for resisting arrest -> wouldn't have resisted arrest if I wasn't arrested, what was I arrested for? -> etc...
Who cares if he trying to hide hush money?
No one really cares, they are just pretending to care because they are deranged with hatred instilled in them by the propaganda they consume.
It's like Bill Clinton lying about a blow job. Who really cares?
I care 1000 times more about a public official choosing to lie rather than remain silent vs an accountant selecting "legal expense" in a dropdown menu when categorizing a payment to a lawyer which that lawyer invoiced with no itemization.
Which is to say I don't care all that much, just about relative size.
non-itemized business payments ~0.1
Clinton adultery ~ 10
Whether or not the weather is nice ~ 50
Clinton lying ~ 100
Getting a good gift for father's day ~ 200
a cops getting away with arresting someone for giving them the middle finger ~ 10,000
mandated experimental medical treatments ~ 1,000,000
violating the bill of rights to sabotage American democracy ~ 1,500,000
Stealing half the stuff from a whole nation causing ever increasing poverty, homelessness, depression, broken families, and population decline ~ 3,000,000
But I can call a witch hunt a witch hunt when I see it
When millions of people go insane, keeping your wits is commendable.
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@Double_R
That was the entire point of the trial.
I agree, he was found guilty of trying to gain the US presidency against the wishes of the deep state.
What the hell did Micheal Cohen gain by borrowing 130k against his house to pay off a porn star he didn’t sleep with?
Impressing Trump apparently.
What is wrong with you?
What's wrong with Cohen? That's what he told his own lawyer he did and why.
Non disclosure isn't a productYes it absolutely is when the person already has the information.
Ok crazy person
we’re not talking about an NDA in any traditional sense.
It's a magic illegal NDA because apparently NDAs are illegal if they're compensated and have anything to do with anyone running for office. Uness you're Bill Clinton, then you can settle for $850,000 and it's not a campaign contribution.
This was “you have information that would be damaging to me so I want to purchase it from you”.
"Hello, Fedex? Yes I want to deliver some information ASAP.... Of course I need you to erase it from the sender's memory. Well I know the contract says 'non-disclosure' but I thought that mean that somehow I was buying information from someone's brain like some kind of a supermarket shelf?... So 'non-disclosure' is an agreement to not disclose claimed information?.... Are you a racist maggot insurrectionist?"
Why is this so difficult for you guys?
Why do you gaslight? Isn't it obvious it isn't working?
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@Double_R
Taking out a home equity loan against your own house to pay her the $130k she was asking for… that is not a legal expense. That’s not what lawyers do.Cause he was rouge.So the story you believe to be most credible is that Trump’s personal attorney, who engaged in a plot to steal from his client, was also so loyal and so concerned about that same client that he decided to take out a loan against his own house to pay off a porn star so that porn star would not disclose the affair she had with him. Really?
It doesn't do Trump any favors to take out a personal loan and then force Trump to pay back everything plus taxes when Trump could have just paid Cohen directly without taxes, interest, or Cohen's collateral. There is no loyalty there, there is deceiving Trump and the only possible reason to deceive Trump is Cohen is a goofball with delusions of grandeur who thought he would do all this stuff and pretend to be a wizard or as he puts it "a fixer", again all of this was confessed by Cohen before he found a bidder for more of his primary export: lies.
You are not this stupid.
You are this dishonest.
how do you deal with Trump’s own accountant working out the math to pay this rogue attorney back?
Cohen sent invoices?
And the recordings that demonstrated how involved Trump was in all of this?
If by involved you mean he signed checks like any CEO and had an accounted that is irrelevant. If you mean involved as in told anyone to write down "legal expense" or thought for a microsecond that it wasn't a "legal expense" to pay Cohen, or even if you mean suggesting or approving hush money (a legal expense because hush money is short hand for compensated NDA) THEN: no such recording exists. If it did there would be no misdemeanor or felony because it is a legal expense and NDAs are legal and have never been "a conspiracy to defraud the voter".
I do however look forward to the world in which hiding any information that a prejudiced jury might find relevant to voters is a "conspiracy to defraud the voter", we're going to need very big gulags for all the deep state satellite organizations. CNN, MSNBC, the entire DNC, Pretty much everyone in the DC offices of the FBI, CIA, ATF, etc....
What kind of hard labor would be appropriate for them?
This is what being in a cult actually looks like.
Said the gaslighting cultist.
If Trump had wanted to entered a compensated NDA he has every fucking right to do so and to label the whole thing "legal expenses" in any fucking ledger he wanted.That’s literally what the law says he can’t do.
rofl, your law is imaginary and as meaningless and contemptible as the fake court.
Not sure if you’re aware of this, but we just had a whole trial over it.
Did you know the moon is made of cheese? There was a trial.
He could also have written down "NDA compensation" without being at all specific about to whom or for whyWhat he could have done is completely irrelevant to what he did and whether his actions were legal
Listen filthy cultist liar, it's entirely relevant to the motivations you just claimed. It is insane to claim someone would do by illegal means what one can do by legal means just as easily. Your red herrings and misdirections are painfully transparent.
Why would he not do that if there was even the slightest hint in all precedent and by any professional that an NDA was not a legal expenseBecause as I have already explained and you completely ignored; this was not just an NDA. Stormy already had the information they didn’t want disclosed, so they weren’t just agreeing to provide information for silence.
NDAs aren't "information for silence" it's a binding legal contract for silence.
They were purchasing her rights to information she already had.
She didn't have information, she had lies, and she still had the same information after signing the NDA. The only thing they were "purchasing" was a right to sue her and win if she talked and contracts resolving liability or creating a civil cause are all "legal expenses" whether you want to describe it as "purchasing" or not. A court filing fee is "purchasing" the right to be noticed by the court, but it is still a legal expense even if the word "purchase" can be used in some way.
That’s not what NDA’s typically entail
"Purchasing" a promise to "not disclose" is exactly what NDAs ALL entail. A vast category of NDAs are preemptive anti-defamation documents in which the party seeking silence does not care if what is disclosed is true or false.
An entire class of blackmail crimes revolve around extorting compensated NDAs from rich powerful people with the threat of both true and far more often false claims.
and that purchase is entirely separate from the legal services that put the contract together.
Make a law if it's that important to you, but it won't be retroactive. There is no law which specifies the amount of itemization required in this context. If there was such a law the accountant would surely have required further details from Cohen, who could have lied; but then that would be his crime wouldn't it.
So cultist, you're claiming that Trump knowingly paid Cohen unnecessary amount extra to cover taxes so that Cohen would be reimbursed for an NDA all so he didn't have to write "NDA" on a ledger?Why?Because that would have made it obvious that he was making an illegal campaign contribution.
Ah, so the insane gaslighting obvious falsehood that paying a lawyer is in no way a legal expense must be combined with the insane gaslighting obvious falsehood that an NDA is a campaign contribution.
Maybe they cancel out?
No, they just multiply. (insane gaslighting obvious falsehood)^2
Did you pay attention to any of the trial?
I followed as much of the show trial as was possible, it was limited to secondhand reports of people in the pseudocourt due to the fake fascist judge preventing the American people (in violation of the constitution) from directly viewing his treasonous actions.
He didn't cook up anything. Cohen did. Then he billed Trump for it. Then Trump's accountant paid a retained lawyer what that lawyer billed.Oh right because Trump is known for paying all of his legal bills without questioning any of them right?
Cohen is known for telling the truth right? No? Well did he tell the truth when he said he stole from Trump? Right, now if Trump was questioning the invoices, why wouldn't Trump notice the stealing?
And his accountant didn’t bother to question any of this or bring any of this to Trump’s attention right?
Right. Happens all the time. Lawyers get paid big money. They send the invoices. Accountants don't follow them around with drones to see how many hours they worked. A lot of business relationships work based on trust and belief in the fact that if someone did want to commit a serious crime like embezzlement, fraud, and theft they would be dissuaded by the threat of the justice system.
Of course if there is no justice system anymore that doesn't work too well, hence the admission of serious felonies being ignored because the admitted perjurer was helpful in destroying enemies of the state.
There no way you are being serious.
The lies and absurdities you say with all pretense of seriousness are snowflakes in an avalanche that is going to cut a lot of lives short. When I see the suffering, I will remember you.
Salary vs legal expenses are analogous because they are both payment for services (aka income to the service provider). Repaying a purchase is not.
Legal expenses aren't limited to payment for services. They include court fees, settlement sums, research, copying, notaries, verified delivery, paying fines, paying liabilities, and more.
There is no controlling legal definition, if there was it would surely have been known to the certified accountant, thus the common understanding controls and the common understanding is "any expense which is paid to or through lawyers, or at the behest of a judge, or in connection with contracted behavior liabilities of any kind."
Legal expenses may be other kinds of expenses at the same time, that's what happens when fuzzy definitions overlap. The only way for "legal expense" to be substantially false is for the expense to have nothing to do with lawyers, courts, judges, negotiated contracts, criminal liability, or civil liability (all at once).
There was no trial. There were defense lawyers pretending there was a trialSo Trump’s own attorneys are also part of the conspiracy, lol.
So was Trump if playing along is a conspiracy. It's more like giving a salute when they drag you in front of nazi show trial.
Even if you don't believe they have any legitimate authority, if you play along there is a chance they'll look unreasonable. No conspiracy is required to pretend deference to madmen with a gun to your head.
Now I don't think Trump should have played along, but his strategy seems to be working and my principles may not have. In other words if he had refused to show up or pretend there was a trial they would have said he was afraid and that there was a bunch of evidence that we won't hear because he's a fugitive.
This forced the fascist to dance all the way to the end of their wretched performance and show the people and the world that they had NOTHING.
This is what being in a cult actually looks like.
Said the gaslighting cultist.
Except NDAs are legal, always have been.Purchasing an ak47 is legal, always have been. Until you purchase it for someone else with the intent for them to rob a bank. Then you become an accessory to grand larceny.
So NDAs are now a means to commit a crime. The crime being?... to enter into a compensated NDA while running for public office? because that's "campaign contribution?" Except that's legal, because NDAs aren't campaign contributions, never have been.
In either case the "NDA" was the means to commit the "crime" of "buying an NDA". So to correct your analogy:
Purchasing an ak47 is legal, always have been. Until you purchase it with intent to own it. Then you become an accessory to grand larceny.
In fact it is much more likely that it is illegal to use campaign funds for an NDA, and the would certainly have gone after Trump if he had done such a thing for defrauding donators and violating some FEC something or other about using campaign money for personal expenses.
If you're Donald Trump you're not allowed to have personal expenses or campaign expenses. In fact just the word "expense" is dangerous and fraudulent. This is all Trump's fault, if he would just disappear from the face of the Earth he wouldn't have to spend any money on anything!
Trump gains NOTHING by paying for Cohen's taxes. He gains NOTHING by having Cohen shuffle personal money and credits around.Are you on crack?
Are you a gaslighting cultist? That is a rhetorical question due to the fact that the answer is obviously: Yes.
Trump literally gained the US presidency.
Which he could not have done by writing down "NDA" because it is illegal for him to "purchase" an NDA with personal money because NDAs are campaign contributions even when the money isn't coming from contributors.
So I guess you can't use contributors money, and you can't use your own money. Who could have guessed campaign finance law made compensated NDAs illegal? Amazing how we're just finding this out now at the time when Trump is hit with three other fake indictments and a fake defamation suit. What a weird coincidence!
One little problem, the FEC doesn't agree.
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@Sidewalker
Thought you wanted him raped first?
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@cristo71
Yep, that's where they have pointed the ship, full speed ahead.
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@cristo71
Or consider those steps to be interpretive theater.
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Respect is earned. The pseudo judges, pseudo prosecutors, pseudo juries took polished silver and tarnished it with muddy bile.
Like Alan Dershowitz, Biden voter, I urge disrespect.
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@ILikePie5
We have been debating. The only seeing is logic, or reality if a prediction was made.
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@Greyparrot
Socrates.Checkmate. Also Jesus. And every abolitionist.
Abolitionist, I forgot John Brown; but of course he did do the armed rebellion thing however justified. Socrates just talked and they made shit up cause they didn't like what they were hearing so it's more similar to Trump and Jesus.
"Not denying you're the king of the jews every time I ask? That's gota be a crime!"
That letter happens to have another relevant quote for our time:
Wonderful is the effect of impudent and persevering lying. The British ministry have so long hired their gazetteers to repeat and model into every form lies about our being in anarchy, that the world has at length believed them, the English nation has believed them, the ministers themselves have come to believe them, and what is more wonderful, we have believed them ourselves.
The deep state media operates in much the same manner. Arms of the deeper state in practice if not name. In both times there were liberal elements of the government with their enlightened supporters but the deep state's deepest wish was continued, greater, and eternal empire.
So quickly do these lies permeate into the left-tribe that no sooner have they heard them than they are willing to tell everyone without shame that the lie has always been the truth. This has been shown in exemplary fashion by Double_R on more than one occasion.
Paying lawyers isn't a legal expense. Everybody knows this. It's always been this way.
Riots have always been peaceful. Everybody knows this. It's always been this way.
Let's start by putting your question in it's proper context; studies showed that something like 93% of the BLM riots had no incidents of violence or property crimes.
Voter fraud over the margin of victory isn't a problem. Everybody knows this. It's always been this way.
So even if there was voter fraud on a scale where fraudulent ballots surpassed the margin of victory, you still would have no reason to believe that fraud changed the outcome.
Saying your opponent lost the election (despite being declared accepted as the winner by the procedures of the previous government) isn't denying election results. Everybody knows this. It never has been.
Please find one example of democrats "denying election results""I think he is an illegitimate president that didn't really win.""You are absolutely right" - Kamela Harris"Trump didn't actually win the election in 2016, he lost the election." - Jimmy CarterJust because someone uses the same words didn't mean they're saying the same thing.
Oh and let's not forget that people have always been liable for defamation for attacking the credibility of accusers. Everybody knows this!
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@Double_R
Socrates.Never has there been so strong a unanimous motive from so many diverse actors to make sure the defendant gets convicted.Because never has there ever been an actor who has so flagrantly flaunted the law in front of all of our faces with such impunity.
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@Double_R
Taking out a home equity loan against your own house to pay her the $130k she was asking for… that is not a legal expense. That’s not what lawyers do.
Cause he was rouge. He also stole from his client. Not normal for lawyers (hopefully).
Funding your client’s schemes to later be repayed is not an expense incurred - it’s a reimbursement.
NDAs are not "schemes" anymore than a mortgage escrow or a will. It's only Cohen's scheme because he was doing things his client never asked for, which is dishonest; but so is stealing and lying to everyone in the known universe.
If Trump had wanted to entered a compensated NDA he has every fucking right to do so and to label the whole thing "legal expenses" in any fucking ledger he wanted.
He could also have written down "NDA compensation" without being at all specific about to whom or for why and that would also be substantially true and bypass your INANE GASLIGHTING attempt. That is in the fantasy world where Trump is filling out business expense records personally.
Why would he not do that if there was even the slightest hint in all precedent and by any professional that an NDA was not a legal expense or that dangerously insane people would declare that calling an NDA a legal expense would be a felony?
The facts fit only one explanation: Cohen was a rouge who was doing things without Trump's endorsement and no one in the entire fucking world (that "everybody" you falsely appeal to below) would ever in a thousand years expect something so benign as "NDA payment" vs "legal expense" to result in the slightest bit of legal trouble.
Everyone knows this.
You are not everybody. In a hundred years everybody will remember your ilk as filthy lying gaslighting cultist.
That’s why the three of them worked out this scheme where Cohen would be reimbursed the $130k plus the taxes he would incur on it. And why would he have to pay taxes on it? Because if Trump was paying this money to him as a legal expense then Cohen would have to report it as income which means he’d be taxed on it. And why would he be taxed on that money? Because that’s what legal expenses are - income to the person who performed the service. This was not that, so they had to hide it.
So cultist, you're claiming that Trump knowingly paid Cohen unnecessary amount extra to cover taxes so that Cohen would be reimbursed for an NDA all so he didn't have to write "NDA" on a ledger?
Why?
I know why Cohen did it, because he took out a secret loan to pay Daniels and he knew Trump would not approve an NDA (having a policy against them). If there is no reason to hide it from Trump there was no reason not to put down "NDA" (other than everyone in the universe being fine labeling it legal expense, aka reality before the cult warped your mind).
If you are seriously arguing in good faith and are really convinced of what you argue
Fantasying about something you'll never experience?
you would ask yourself why Trump, his attorney, and his accountant cooked up this scheme in the first place when it was so simple from the start
He didn't cook up anything. Cohen did. Then he billed Trump for it. Then Trump's accountant paid a retained lawyer what that lawyer billed.
Do you think Trump "cooked up" being stolen from? Did you ask yourself that question? Well you wouldn't admit it if you did because you are a gaslighting cultist.
If you own a business and you send your employee to the store to purchase can of paint and then repay them when they return with it, the repayment is not part of their salary.
Which would have the slightest bit of relevance if the invoice was marked "salary", and it might have been if Cohen had lied about that too. The special absurdity is the fact that even if the proven admitted pathological liar Cohen was believed, it would still have been entirely legal.
It's like using Bill Clinton to convict Monica Lewinsky of buying a doughnut. Even if you could believe a word out of his face, she's allowed to buy a doughnut.
why Trump’s defense team didn’t pound this issue in the trial
There was no trial. There were defense lawyers pretending there was a trial when in fact they were surrounded by mouth-frothing gaslighting cultists like yourself. They proceeded to execute a witch burning.
Did his lawyers say something along the lines that there is not a shred of evidence to suggest that Trump told Cohen to take out a personal loan against his house (or something) because he was going to pay him back later plus taxes all to avoid writing down "NDA"? Probably, but you surely couldn't hear that above the baying for blood.
Why go to such great lengths to cover up a perfectly legitimate transaction?Because it wasn’t legitimate, and they all knew it.
Except NDAs are legal, always have been. The only person with any reason what so ever to hide that he was paying NDA compensation is Michael Cohen and the only possible reason is that he didn't want to bother Trump with it and feared Trump would disagree with the strategy.
Trump gains NOTHING by paying for Cohen's taxes. He gains NOTHING by having Cohen shuffle personal money and credits around. The only possible motivation for this scheme is that Cohen did not want Trump to know and that is EXACTLY what Cohen admitted previously.
Handing your attorney money for a house and him using that money to buy the house on your behalf, does not make that money “legal expenses”.
If it's not itemized it does. As would the label "down payment" be substantially true.
The purchase itself was not of legal services.
Non disclosure isn't a product, this is a specific contract where constitutional rights are yielded. That's a non-commercial contract. Contracts are legal agreements. That's a legal expense. Not a legal service, a legal expense. No different from settling out of court (also legal expenses).
Translation: “I have no arguments left, so at this point I will only resort to insulting you to avoid confronting the fact that I have no arguments left.”
Projection, well except instead of insults (which you do use) you just recycle your defeated assertions. Maybe I'll count this time even though it's more work.
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@sadolite
Strongly disagree. Context is changing, the subject matter is hyper complex. All data is useful.
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How do you know Cohen is lying? His mouth is open and words are coming out.
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As if he has any cookies to give away, nobody has any cookies in communism.
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@cristo71
lol
BK "How dare you justify GEENNNNOOOCIDE"
Cristo "I didn't"
BK "Who cares what you actually said"
BTW we just had a thread where European humans and diseases from the world island were confused and I corrected the misinformed.
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@Greyparrot
Which is overwhelming evidence that Trump was not personally aware of the details of Cohen's spending much less the architect of them.1) Cohen stole thousands of dollars from Trump and in court he admitted he did so
But somehow it's Trump that is "above the law"
It's not mentally possible for a healthy mind to overlook hypocrisy of this magnitude. That's how you know they aren't healthy.
For a long time TDS was a joke, an exaggeration to describe a severe bias.
It is no longer a joke, this is a mental illness. These people are a danger to themselves and others.
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@Double_R
that the $130k wasn’t for Cohen’s services, it was to shut Stormy up.Via a legal contract negotiated by a lawyer as a lawyer.The fact that Trump paid $130k to shut Stormy up ‘via a legal contract’ doesn’t change the fact that he paid $130k to shut Stormy up.
That's not a fact. If it was it would not be a fact that contradicts with the label "legal expenses" describing money paid to a lawyer to negotiate and execute a legal agreement.
Unless you are going to argue that Stormy is a lawyer and the act of her shutting up is a legal service
Negotiating with her and then paying her as part of a NDA is a legal expense.
that’s not what that means so long as we’re both speaking English.
Cultist gaslighters don't control the language.
If I hand my attorney $100k to put in escrow account as a down payment on a house, that $100k is part of the purchase price. I don’t get to write that $100k off as “legal services”.
Taxes have nothing to do with whether the description of the payment is false.
If I order a pizza and the pizza guy shows up at my door, I hand him $30, he hands me the pizza and goes on his way… I didn’t pay $30 for delivery services. I paid for a pizza with a small portion of that money counting as delivery services.
If Cohen is the pizza guy, the NDA is the Pizza. NDAs are legal expenses on their own.
Then the description is "Pizza expenses" and it is substantially accurate.
This is really basic common sense.
Your gaslighting is utterly disgusting.
Filthy.
Vile.
I've given you far far too much respect before now.
“I know you are but what am I?” Worked in third grade.
Projecting cultist
You’re the one who suddenly can’t tell the difference between paying for a service and paying for the thing that service brought to you. Before Trump everyone knew this, suddenly it’s too complicated. That’s what being in a cult looks like.
Gaslighting cultist
Turning in documents to law enforcement without being asked = lying, concealing, and obstructing the efforts by law enforcement to get them back.
Lying cultist.
Paying $130k to a porn star through your lawyer = paying $130k for legal services rendered.
Coping cultist.
Whatever we need it to be to appease the dear leader, that’s what it is. This is what being in a cult looks like.
2 minutes of hate from a cultist.
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@Greyparrot
It also gives a clue as to how much more carbon remains buried. In a simplified model if the total difference in atmospheric carbon is due to plant corpse fossilization then there should be enough coal and oil to reach 2-3 parts per thousand again.
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@Double_R
that the $130k wasn’t for Cohen’s services, it was to shut Stormy up.
Via a legal contract negotiated by a lawyer as a lawyer.
That’s not a legal expense.
Says the cultist
So again, what does your response have to do with the conversation?
Only a cultist would try to gaslight people into thinking that a legal agreement executed by paying a lawyer isn't a "legal expense"
Next up buying concrete from a concrete mixing company through a general contractor and labeling it "building expense" will be something that "everybody" knows is false labeling.
There is no tax category for "defrauding the voter by doing something hundreds of thousands of others including tens of thousands of politicians have done". You won't find it in quick-books or any other accounting software.
You know that, but you're a cultist; so you gaslight.
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@Intelligence_06
That's a stretch.Forests don't stall climate change by any hypothetical mechanism that stands the test of logic, nor does litter accelerate it.Litter damage the ecosystem which may eventually kill trees.
I know it currently isn't doing a lot, but it is because most people are showing restraint.
Some more than others, but as far as plants are concerned it's just so much more unhelpful substrate (dirt).
Without trees and we would be left with much less oxygen recycling plants and things go haywire from there.
We definitely need plants on this planet, but the suggestion that deforestation is a risk to our oxygen supply is absurd.
The oceans are full of plants. All our farms are full of plants. When we deforest a region plants will grow behind.
Those new plants may be useless to the vast majority of animal species and boring/ugly to us but they will certainly extract oxygen from water as all plants do.
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@Double_R
The point was: You are a in a cult.A non-disclosure agreement (NDA) is a legallybinding contract that requires parties to keep certain information confidential. NDAs are also known as confidentiality agreements, confidentiality disclosure agreements, or secrecy agreements.What does this have to do with what I just pointed out?
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@Intelligence_06
Preserving old growth forests and abstaining from using materials that won't bio-degrade as disposablesThat is what we do to stall climate change.
Forests don't stall climate change by any hypothetical mechanism that stands the test of logic, nor does litter accelerate it.
Old growth forests are of value because they have complex ecosystems and they are beautiful. Litter is a problem because it kills animals and it's disgusting.
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@FLRW
Gish away into the sunset buddy.
For example, this is what losing the debate looks like. Tries to make a point, pretends it wasn't just obliterated. If he was Double_R he'd be back saying the same thing in five posts.
Goldfish memory would be an insult to goldfish because goldfish aren't doing it on purpose.
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@ILikePie5
and?Didn’t the judge refuse to allow evidence that Trump never took a tax deduction for that?
Aren't we already 10,000 km below the surface of the clown ocean if we're asking about evidence of innocence instead of evidence of guilt? If the guilt of Trump relied on claiming a tax exemption (and it would be his accountant not him, that's why people hire licensed accountants), then shouldn't the prosecution have to prove that an exemption was claimed?
"Uncharged crime that Trump lawyers have to prove never happened but aren't allowed to" <- AN ABOMINATION UNTO LAW AND ORDER
I'd point out that it would violate the ex post facto principle to charge Trump with breaking a law that hadn't been passed yet, but that would hardly matter to people who don't care if a crime was charged would it?
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@Intelligence_06
Preserving old growth forests and abstaining from using materials that won't bio-degrade as disposables are infinitely more rational than a conviction that the earth's climate turns on a trace gas that already (and always has) saturated its spectrum.
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@Double_R
Any person who is willing to say "legal expenses" is a substantially false description of a payment to a lawyer to execute a legal agreement is so far outside the bounds of reason as to be surely unreachable by any argument.130k to a porn star to keep her quiet is not a legal expense. Everyone knows that.
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@Best.Korea
Where do you live? Nvm, it's Japan. Are you Japanese or a foreigner?
He's a liar, and you're someone who spreads lies without question.
It's funny to see you interact.
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@Swagnarok
the fault here lies on anyone that’s not Trump it would be his attorneys. They gave the jury absolutely nothing to work with.This article suggests you may be right.
rofl, and if Chamberlain had been a bit more convincing Hitler wouldn't have attacked Poland!
Any person who is willing to say "legal expenses" is a substantially false description of a payment to a lawyer to execute a legal agreement is so far outside the bounds of reason as to be surely unreachable by any argument.
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@Best.Korea
Nothing new under the sun https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Show_trial
Now go hunt slugs for your chickens, it would be more productive.
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@Greyparrot
Did you see "campaign finance" in any of the charges?
No, and after the 10th layer of absurdity it's not even that interesting to pick it apart. I've already given more than enough attention on this site to these incoherent fantasies before this point.
You ever tried to argue with a flat earther? It gets boring very quickly.
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@Double_R
You don’t get a say on who “lost” the debate.
Your endless, repeated, and never corrected fallacies are an objective fact whether or not I point them out or not. I have pointed them out, that is my say; and I have nothing to retract on that front.
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@Double_R
Trump will gain more power, support and popularity from this.Yeah, we know. Because you know, party of law and order right?
Almost, because Americans like law and order. Prepare your surprised pikachu face.
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It's funny to see people trying to debate double R when he has spent months losing every attempt to debate every case involving Trump. You think now that his fake jury and his fake fascist judge have given him a stamp he's going to suddenly see the light?
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Does anyone believe this poster actually has chickens?
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@Swagnarok
Or heck, do it over a phone app, provided there's some sort of verification in place to prevent fraud or citizens in occupied territories voting at gunpoint.
Sounds kinda racist. We all know real democracies don't try to verify anything. What's next, literacy tests?
Point is, it's the job of the Ukrainian government to figure out something and then arrange for it to happen, on time or nearly on time.
I have an idea, give them an app which gives them a choice and tells them "thanks for voting" and then announce made up numbers.
That way the dogs of the state can claim there was an election without any of the risk or hassle of audits!
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@IlDiavolo
A social contagion theory on the other hand can explain these charts and facts easily.This theory could be useful to take down the Lgtb movement as federal policy because if proven right it could be dangerous for our youth. You're basically saying homosexuality could turn into a pandemia.
It doesn't get much more dangerous than when you start mutilating yourself during your time in the cult. Still, I am not claiming that sexual orientation is forming due to propaganda, I'm saying delusions (self-lies) and dishonesty (other-lies) are causing huge numbers of kids to claim to be LGBT.
I am simultaneously not ruling out the theory that a certain unknown nurture at young ages (5-12) is the substantial cause of sexual orientation. What is clear after long careful study is that none of the well understood biological or psychological mechanisms explain sexual deviancy and that includes simple inheritable traits.
Even if the true ratio of homosexuals hasn't changed, that doesn't mean it is genetic. I was merely pointing out that your theory of genetic (determinism) but everyone was in the closet can only respond to a number like "19% LGBT" with "I guess that's how many were in the closet throughout history".
If you accept that identifying as LGBT doesn't necessarily correlate with actual sexual orientation then you don't have any reliable numbers of rates before or after public acceptance.
By the way, you're not taking into consideration that according to some studies people are not totally heterosexuals or homosexuals but a mix of them.
Of course, nothing else could be expected given how complicated sexual attraction is. There are no hard and fast rules except those people make for themselves.
I guess bisexuals are half homo half hetero.
Or enough of either to pursue porn and relationships in that field.
That might be happening to some young people that think they have a specific sexual orientation but at the end they find out they did it just out of curiousity.
And every new generation is more curious than the last? That's not genetic.
I still think these mental conditions are set up at dna level. One can have this dna setup but not necessarily manifest it.
When we say something is "genetic" that means it will manifest if a gene is present. Unless you're saying that there are genes which make you immune to sexual deviancy and when you don't have the gene it may or may not appear.
Well then there is still a reason that the deviancy does or does not appear even if they are unknown.
There is a fair argument that obesity and alcoholism have genes that pretty much make you immune, but to say they are genetic and you are born fat or alcoholic is incorrect and it is very likely that culture and upbringing strongly predict such conditions regardless.
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@Swagnarok
Accurate elections threaten "our democracy".
We're not talking about the state-run media of Russia or China, or North Korea.
If it quacks like a duck....
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Can the military industrial complex further profit by such a move?
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@IlDiavolo
Obviously!! People with gender disphoria have more access to sex reasignment procedures and the society has developed more tolerance towards them. These kind of people have always existed, the only difference is that they are not afraid of showing up as they are.
That is a theory to explain some of the data, but it does not make the data support your assertion of constant numbers.
It's like homosexuals, they are not afraid anymore of going out of the closet, so today we're seeing the real numbers of them in statistics, which is around 5% if I remember correctly.
Try 20%
Under your theory no matter how high the number goes the only way to explain it is claiming that is the number that were closeted before.
Your theory is also incapable of explaining why people who once identified as LGBT as teens cease doing so as full adults. It still fails independently for the reason that if propensity towards any of these things was significantly genetic then predictions could occur and there should be distinct rates in different gene pools.
A social contagion theory on the other hand can explain these charts and facts easily.
In other words, being LGBT is cool right now (so long as you don't also express liberal or conservative politics or imply that you aren't oppressed or are oppressed in a way not-sanctioned by the global left-tribe). Down syndrome is not.
It's a better argument to say that those who responded to anonymous polling while it was persecuted and shunned were the ones with a genuine condition, only those in true fear rather than motivated by unearned praise could be trusted not be dishonest or delusional.
I would draw a parallel to a persecuted religion. For instance when being christian could get you executed, there were only true believers at mass because only true belief could motivate that admission. On the other hand when Christianity is the state religion and infidels are shunned then there is hardly anyone who doesn't profess to be a christian regardless of whether they have privately prayed once in their life or give a shit about the teachings of Jesus.
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@IlDiavolo
Transgederism, as well as the other conditions I mentioned, have a constant case numbers, which is low by the way.
That is not true:
Let's say it's a manufacturing defect. :)
Defect or not, it is too soon to rule out wide categories of causes.
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@3RU7AL
I don't have a holy book.how do you distinguish objective-moral-claims from subjective-moral-claims ?
By having the values and the subject specified in the derivation of the principles and following the rules of logic when deriving.
"Icecream is good" may be a subjective assertion (an assertion that is malformed due to missing context), but "ADOL values ice-cream" is not.
When a value is common (proven by admission or argument) among a group of sapients it is objective in the context of that group.
There is no point in asserting morality based on values that others may not have and deny having. It is no different from making rules against ice-cream flavors. You might get away with it if you've got a gun; but that doesn't mean you're objectively right and as I said if you're not objectively right you're not right in any meaningful sense.
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@3RU7AL
I don't have a holy book.
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@TheUnderdog
But I got 127 friends and you got 4, so it shows how irrelevant you are on this site.
I'm almost done with my bachlor's degree (2 classes left) and you have an associates degree.
Maximum cringe achieved. You have my pity.
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Well this topic is getting a lot of replies, but I assumed it would die on account of the PROs being trolls. Let's see if I was wrong and there was serious debate going on.
Capitalism may suck for you, it worked out well for me.No, it worked well for me too.
As expected.
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@Amber
They go against natureSaid the guy smashing buttons made out of polymerized hydrocarbons pumped from the depths of the earth to communicate with light and electricity over thousands of kilometers.I'm not a guy.
I'll keep your gender in mind in the future.
Neither of those are/is the "nature" I spoke of. I would have expected someone as intelligent as you to know/understand I meant human nature. What Mother Nature (or for the religious, God) intended for humanity and its proliferation (evolution, survival) - i.e., reproduction.
Let he (or she) who has devoted their life to maximum reproduction cast the first stone.
Let me ask some diagnostic questions:
If people could reproduce with artificial wombs "freeing" them to mutilate the hell out of their genitals and still be able to reproduce, would you have no objection?
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@TheUnderdog
From "reversible" to "well sterilized but they consented"This is called "moving the goalposts", it is an informal fallacy.The gender surgery sterilizes you. The HRT I don't think does, especially if you only take it for a small amount of time.
HRT does sterilize, not if you only take it for a short amount of time or after puberty; but then that's now how they use it.
This isn't a shot of tequila to know what it tastes like. It's alcoholism or nothing. There is no point in their eyes in short and ineffective doses.
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@TheUnderdog
minus the sterilization; which is true and probably something they consented too
From "reversible" to "well sterilized but they consented"
This is called "moving the goalposts", it is an informal fallacy.
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@TheUnderdog
There are people who have de transitioned.
That's an assertion of identity not a medical state.
Shifting hormones after adulthood does much less permanent damage and original function may be effectively restored, but the same is not true of hormone manipulation during or before puberty (or other key developments).
This is not something special, there are a host of developmental deformities that are caused by hormone imbalance during formative periods.
HRT before puberty is desired because it inhibits the formation of dimorphic tissues, producing a sterile person who can't orgasm and likely has a bunch of other degraded systems such as bad metabolism and unbalanced brain chemistry, might explain why they still kill themselves even faster after getting "what they want".
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