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@Savant
If you don't care about me writing code at this point and just want advise send me the github linkIt's private, I'd need your github username.
I see, then I'll try to create an anonymous github account at some point before mid June.
Also I'm pretty sure no one else with access is gonna try and trace your local machine.
The digital world is not like the real one in many key ways.
It can have a perfect history when logged, which means even if I 100% trust everyone who appears to be part of a conversation that doesn't mean one of those needs to come after me to compromise my identity.
Someone or some organization could come back five years later, pull logs from github, and make the connection.
The overwhelming advantage is with the secret-keeper, but he has to know how to keep a secret.
Speaking of, SSL (HTTPS) is no longer optional in this day and age; if you don't have that on your list of TODO add it. It's the first thing to make things more complicated when going from 'hello world' to a functioning server.
Speaking of, SSL (HTTPS) is no longer optional in this day and age; if you don't have that on your list of TODO add it. It's the first thing to make things more complicated when going from 'hello world' to a functioning server.
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@Savant
I will have to at some point, but that's not enough to push changes from my local machine. I would need to route a git toolchain on my local PC through TOR.
If you don't care about me writing code at this point and just want advise send me the github link. I can almost certainly view it anonymously.
Are you guys talking about saving what's on debateart.com right now?
Are you guys talking about saving what's on debateart.com right now?
I remember when debate.org closed somebody said they had an archive but I was never able to get that. If you're creating something from scratch it's possible we could format that old data and recreate the entire history of debate.org and debateart.com in the new site.
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@Swagnarok
Until this thread, there was nothing whatsoever about the way he acted that screamed RM. Plus, he'd not only have to change religions but also his standard-ish liberal politics for hyperreactionary monarchism. As someone who once pretended to be him for troll purposes way back in the day on DDO, it's not hard for me to imagine someone else impersonating him either.Plus, over DMs I asked him a question he would probably remember the answer to were he RM, and I've yet to get a response several minutes later.
All this pretending and name changing is unhinged as hell in my opinion.
I kept my name for a decade for a reason. I want to be held to account for what I say and do.
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@Savant
I'd have to figure this out first: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/10274879/how-to-contribute-on-github-anonymously-via-tor
Don't wait for me. You'll be disappointed.
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that change gives Mods far more leeway to interpret CoC as they see fit.
No it doesn't. It cuts down the 'crimes' to just harassment, threats, and doxxing. Of course a sufficiently deluded interpretation can twist anything, but that's why I would call it treachery and not adherence.
There is a reason you sit behind TOR
Is that a threat against my person?!?!!!
Are you saying without TOR you would hunt me down and torture me?!!?!?!!?!?
[That is twisting]
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@Savant
Please join the development team if you're willing to dedicate an hour or two to learning Node.js.
I've already invested (against my will) about a hundred hours using Node.js.
Here is where my anonymity handicaps me, I can't do anything that can't be done behind a proxy shield. I always knew that would make it hard to contribute to a code project, and unfortunately this community is small enough that I can't come in as my real identity to help either.
It's possible I could help IF you guys put it on github, and I'm not 100% sure about that.
There may also be ways for live messaging, but generally speaking it would be more trouble than it is worth during dynamic development phases.
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but nearly all furies identify with the LGBT movement. Those who don't are labelled nazis, so that goes about how you would expect.
Consequently they go nuts about pride month and go to pride parades and are also gender-confusing themselves at far above median rates.
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You will adhere to the rules chosen by the community or your treachery will be the final chapter of this website: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/9127-meep-for-sweeping-code-of-conduct-change
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@yachilviveyachali
Convenient for church builders that an omnipresent godhead is especially effective at saving people in their buildings.In every Catholic Church, the Holy Spirit is present.
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@yachilviveyachali
Humans have always been doing this. It's call animism when it's in history.The idea of animism has only been around since the 19th century. This isn't a long history.
The name has been around since the 19th century. The fact has been around as far back as archeology can reach.
Behold a the prehistoric furry art: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion-man (35,000 years before present)
One species out of thousands, it takes a special kind of mindset to think you're unique in every way. You abstract qualities, pick a species which you think aligns with an abstraction axis, and now you have "the spirit of the wolf" or such.Animals do not care about the abstract
That is orthogonal to my point, which is about human thought patterns.
Give oral tradition and priesthood some latitude and pretty soon the animal spirits are gods with animal heads and bodies.This sounds like a fantasy of yours.
Behold a furry god: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anubis#/media/File:Statuette_of_Anubis_MET_38.5_EGDP022863.jpg
I'm getting the feeling that I am really really wasting my time here. Where are all the educated rational people that used to inhabit the internet (although always as minority)?
Beyond wanting to stay alive and caring for the offspring, few of us identify with the animal.
That is a rare perspective in the full scope of human existence.
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@yachilviveyachali
Same reason they built the pyramids.Why do you think we built the churches?
Faith was not enough, people tried to make their belief tangible; but it is still only a building.
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So it appears there is a way to have an anonymous github contribution:
Not sure if it still works, normally people don't like that sort of thing because of the troll DDOS type problem.
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@ILikePie5
You can claim the domain, but that doesn't get you the source code or data.So can’t we just the claim the site if he doesn’t renew it
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You were on the right track and now went off the rails again.
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You know what I'm thinking?
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@yachilviveyachali
How did the human go from thinking about where he would find his next meal to...this?
Humans have always been doing this. It's call animism when it's in history.
One species out of thousands, it takes a special kind of mindset to think you're unique in every way. You abstract qualities, pick a species which you think aligns with an abstraction axis, and now you have "the spirit of the wolf" or such.
Give oral tradition and priesthood some latitude and pretty soon the animal spirits are gods with animal heads and bodies.
At the same time people identify with the abstract qualities and because of cultural binding identify with the animal.
Over all history, it's far older and more common than monotheism.
Of course some of them are fully crazy. Can't tell real from fantasy, but that's not new either.
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Faith is in the heart, not a building.He would never get much chance to experience the faith.
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@TheGreatSunGod
Do you like therian people maybe?
I like virtuous interesting people, <trump voice>and some therians, I'm sure, are good people <trump voice>
Those who take it seriously are likely suffering from the same class of disorder as those with gender dysphoria. Species dysphoria. Still, there are good trans people. A virtue I value highly is rationality. The kind of therian or transgender I would like would be capable of saying "I feel this way, but I know it's not reality" and would be able to distinguish between a personal attack and someone else being rational.
Happy pride month, yay!
Pride for that which is beyond ones control is irrational and unseemly. Those who tried to snatch a month for less than 1/12 of the population should get their story straight.
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6 notifications, each leading to a post less interesting than an oreo, and I don't even mean a thin mint oreo.
We genuinely have priests or deacos drive home to people every single week to give them eucharist andnhear confession. If your priest cannit make it the next local one often will.Catholics have doneore charity work over their history than all other faiths combined in terms of faith-run organisations.
Which is why what you said was extra stupid.
You have no right to determine this lol.
Says the guy talking about other people's "masked shame".
I said SH never set foot in such a church to get a feel for things how an abke bosjed man that is curious easily could have.
That's shallow. It sounds like someone who is currently undergoing an obsessive manic episode because they thought a church was cool.
Churches are cool, but the religion isn't about the architecture or the artwork. It's not about an identity or even a community. A genuine christian (catholic or not) would not keep saying things that imply otherwise.
Wrong it was a rowing accident. That trigger event led to the disease.
Uninformed, as usual.
That is exactly why you are stuck
I am convinced I am far less stuck than you are.
Just curious have you actually done volunteer work ever? I have that is why I am asking.
"I have" is not a reason to ask. The answer is yes.
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@David
The mod team has decided to create a brand new community. We would like to get user input and start the development process. If you have any programming experience please contact me.
I have programming experience ( a lot ) and my experience tells me that the owner being the programmer is just about the only way this kind of thing is going to work.
If there is a 15k annual income (for whatever reason) you can just barely afford pay for per change contract work.
There are a few other options:
1.) Use an off the shelf system and don't mess with it
2.) Fork an open source codebase and commit yourself to understanding the open source contributions (pull requests). Do not underestimate the difficulty of automatically deploying a new codebase.
I repeat: Do not let it become the personal project of a single (unpaid) volunteer. That kind of thing destroys friendships. It's thousands of man hours of work.
Unless the domain is somehow renewed then yes. I want to try and preserve as much of it as possible.
If the site hasn't been crawler proofed it can all be saved without inside access.
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[AdaptableRatman] None of this can fix the ache you feel
If I was trying to fix it, I would turn to drugs or suicide. Far more reliable than imaginary friends in the sky.
However, I have decided to conform to the inheritance of evolution. I am going to think, and I am going to try to build something, even if it hurts sometimes. If the only way to stop the pain is to stop thinking (faith) or to stop wanting (eliminating desire i.e. values) then I reject those options consciously.
Do you even think you have a reason you were born?
The reason I was born was because my parents chose to be human, to accept life, and propagate it in hope for the future. Some people were born just because their parents were mindlessly following an instinct.
It doesn't really matter which because the choice of the born doesn't change: Will you live or die? Will you think or delude? Will you build something or not?
To be fair to him, he had very much stacked against him once the accident happened in terms of attending mass, actively participating, confession, all of it.
Shallow, trite, subversive.
Those are the adjectives that come to mind when I see you describe the catholic theory of salvation in terms of simple ritual. If your goal is to actively steer people away from the church, this is how you do it.
"Oh you're stuck in a wheelchair, god has no time for people with disabilities"
Fucking absurd. (almost) Any priest would be happy to travel to the disabled person, but they're real Catholics and you're not.
Also it wasn't an accident, it was a progressive disease.
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If you did ask, I did justify.I asked you to justify it.
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If there is not one common reality then you are not a real person and there is no point in talking to you.Justify your reality.
Therefore, all conversation is predicated on that assumption.
An assumption that cannot be logically denied within a context is an axiom, a premise which needs no proof.
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Or they are all substantially false.[AdaptableRatman] Either Catholicism is true, EO is true, OO is true, Sunni Islam is true or Shi'ite (Shia) Islam is true.
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@fauxlaw
I thought I had seen the most pseudo intellectual thing that could exist on the internet. I was wrong.
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@fauxlaw
Still amused?
You have successfully extended my amusement with by being pouty at three different definitions from fake AI.
Observation alters the nature of nature by the presence of the observer, even if the "observer" is a mechanical device.
If a tree falls in the forest, did the ground observe it hit?
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I probably shouldn't be using slurs, but people with the kind of mental health condition that makes them spew contradictory bullshit, have fake conversions, go on crusading witch hunting rants complete with paranoia should not be on a debate website, or any forum.
It's not healthy.
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@21Pilots
No...
Let me tell you how it works here.
This place has a bunch of schizos who constantly change their user name and ask for the old one to be banned. Sometimes it seems it's for the purposes of playing some new trollish game; most of the time I think it's because they went full off the meds and actually think they're a new person.
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@Savant
The comedy couldn't be better if it was planned.
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https://youtu.be/mLBHjnF1_fs?t=292
Government doesn't just provide for corrupt megacorps through subsidies, contracts, and regulatory exemption. It also creates a vast class of small time parasites (in the private sector). These people are in moral principle no different from those ultra wealthy moochers.
Government doesn't just provide for corrupt megacorps through subsidies, contracts, and regulatory exemption. It also creates a vast class of small time parasites (in the private sector). These people are in moral principle no different from those ultra wealthy moochers.
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@n8nrgim
The last time I asked the income inequality question it got bogged down in distractions
Or maybe the question is now more understood to be a distraction created by the establishment to make sure people aren't thinking in a framework that might threaten them.
It's probably republicans, but barely, and not intentionally. The thieves are just more interested in the democratic party because heavy handed regulation and taxation is a way to increase their income.
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@Greyparrot
You can't tax the 'civilians'?Allowing a group to self-select and to steal...Again, no theft can occur if said person sacrifices nothing.
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@n8nrgim
That has not been my experience.They know more details about what's at stake
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@Greyparrot
I don't like the sound of that. I read the book BTW, interesting ideas; but if you think it's ready to be copy pasted into reality you really need to think about it harder.Those people are justly wards of a benevolent state.
Trying to select better leaders, and that is what biasing the voting base towards public good theoretically does, may be some bonus resistance to corruption.
Allowing a group to self-select and to steal is such a massive corrupter that it would outweigh the above bonus by a thousand times.
A "History and Moral philosophy" instructor in the Army says "personal freedom for all is greatest in history, laws are few, taxes are low, living standards are as high as productivity permits, crime is at its lowest ebb."
"laws are few and taxes are low" would be the farthest thing from the reality. Just imagine it like this, what if Gavin Newsom decided what constituted sacrifice?
What if it was the trauma of listening to the "white supremacist" Jordon Peterson while protesting.
Even if it was legitimately dangerous, do you think that guarantees wisdom or sound moral government? The Red Army of the soviet union or the waffen SS were filled with very brave people. They would take everything you had and then kill you if you complained.
Starship troopers identifies a problem, but it's solution only works if that is the only problem it is certainly is not.
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@Greyparrot
I would think, at the very least, voting rights should follow a minimum of 10% taxation into the machine
I agree that political power should be weighted in favor of those who have a proven investment in the success of the system.
However, in my ideal government those without money never get to spend the money of others unless without consent. That sufficiently weights the legitimate say of producers in the system and it is the least arbitrary way to do so.
It's also a very difficult thing to corrupt, unlike a limited voting franchise. For the same reason wise people have been against the idea that felons can't vote for a long time. Why? Well the existing government decides who felons are without only a little help needed from some loyalist in a jury.
If the existing government can prevent you from voting by making you a felon, a sufficiently corrupt government will do that.
This went from theoretical to real from 2020 to present when they tried to use criminal and civil law which they had the power to mutilate and misinterpret to subvert an election.
If you let them deny people the right to vote because of insufficient contributions, and they have the power to make you poor by stealing your money and giving it to their supporters, what is the end result of that?
The general franchise should be to determine what the laws are, not how things are paid for. As for whether that should be limited by service, I am not certain but I am open to discussing it.
In my mind the appropriate role of a legislator (and those who empower them if applicable) is to follow a patter of objective social morality laid out in a constitution. I am not looking for innovators or sacrificers, I'm looking for what judges should be. Logical thinkers committed to principle.
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@Greyparrot
You aren't representative of the combined advise of family, advisors, most teachers, all media from 1955 to 2012.
Yea people are noticing, here, at the ending of all things (in frodo's voice); but that doesn't change the fact that at least five classes (years) of graduates were absolutely screwed by student loans and more like 20 years of graduates were moderately screwed.
And that's not even counting the ones who didn't make it out with a working brain.
They were programmed to think not going to college was what losers did, and as much as I can admire a young person who can cut through the coherent bullshit of parents, teachers, AND TV; it's not a fair test of 'retardation'.
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@Greyparrot
I agree with the premise but not the insulting judgement of the students.
Let's not forget that we're talking about children being groomed. Everyone told them the same thing.
The only thing they really should be smart enough to do is realize that if they were lied to about the value of "higher education", they were also lied to about who is to blame.
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@AdaptableRatman
Why do you stop taking your meds?
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@WyIted
I can better enforce the new COC if we hold a meep on what I call unitary executive theory.
lol, does it involve roman salutes to the unitary executive?
Server costs are extremely low here and you could code up a new site.
Hosting costs do not become free because you write a new website....
It's kinda on you that you didn't build a site where free speech can be balanced with respect for the individual.
Oh, well I'll just do that in a weekend then.
It would be interesting, but no normal system would really do it.
It would need to be decentralized and regulated at the same time, and that is not an easy problem to solve.
If it's a box in my basement, it will never be reliable enough to serve many people. What if I get into a car accident or something.
If it's in a cloud service, it can be shut down and I can be doxxed. The world needs decentralized communication, and it needs it yesterday, but like I said that implies that people's content filtering needs to be on the blockchain and yet anonymity needs to be a feature as well.
If I were to try and build this alone it would take me 5 years, and that's 40 hours a week.
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@whiteflame
Unless I’m mistaken, there were no specifics on this issue in that referendum.
From the thread, and this is also implied by the lack of insertion or deletion references and the fact that there is repeated language about extravagant lies:
Just so you are both aware and future voters are aware, this entire following text is being deleted and what's in the OP is replacing it:
"You may not use hateful, harassing, or obscene language or imagery in your username or avatar." is in there.
It wasn't a modification, it was a replacement.
As far as policy goes on this front, it’s at least valid to point at existing rules and discuss what we should be doing
but it's not an existing rule, not if that MEEP vote is honored.
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@Savant
Ok, by this logic no one should care about money at all because it hasn't been long around for us to evolve to care about it. Except we do,
The development of abstract intelligence is not the most advantageous in any particular niche or ecosystem.
It is moderately advantages in all of them.
That is why it happened so many times.
The moment intelligence was sufficiently abstract to allow for transmitting knowledge culture was created selection of mutation became obsolete.
It still happens of course, but compared to the timescale of the selection of culture it may as well be frozen in time.
Anyone who talks about the evolution of man in the last fifty thousand years like it matters is ignorant of the dynamics. Hec, I doubt the evolution of dolphins is anything but cultural selection at this point.
Clarification: I do not mean that individuals of a certain culture are genetically predisposed to believe in and transmit that culture, and thus those genes become dominant. I mean that individuals of a certain culture are culturally predisposed to spread that culture. The culture has become the inheritable trait that reacts to changing conditions.
So, we care about money because that is what we learned to do; because that is what works in our culture. We are a species that constructs our behavior because abstract intelligence was the trait evolution gave us first and more than others. Now, in the blink of an eye, all fitness exists primarily in the context of our culture.
Crows are doing great for example, because they have culture and they have learned how to live among humans. Wheat is also doing great, because we like to eat it. Humanity was a singularity, it's all that matters now.
For humans to believe some minor variation in their genes from prehistory determines how they react to some thousand year old artifact of civilization is fully absurd.
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@n8nrgim
That would be congress, but citation please.he's raising taxes on the poor
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@Lemming
Would you want the society around you to heed the call of Pleasure (Epicureanism) or 'Duty and Virtue (Stoicism)?
Either would be an improvement over learning philosophy of tik tok content chasers.
Apparently Greece and India exchanged 'some ideas, though I couldn't say 'how much.Sometimes ideas can occur to people separately or similar trees form from similar seeds.
There is a over a tendency in archeology to assume greater isolation than is reasonable.
More interaction leads to more influence. Being trading neighbors is the most influential (besides conquest). Still, people can walk, and they can walk a long way. A big as the world seems a man can walk from Greece to Thailand and back three times before his body fails him.
Nobody can say that similar ideas didn't come from somewhere else on the world island. There was a synchronous golden age in India and Greece, and that would have made them notice each other despite the distance.
The elephant in the room is Alexander's fieldtrip and the Bactrian colony. I believe stoicism was slightly after this, so at that point it's more than plausible.
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I did oversimplify them.
Yea you did. I was struck by the similarity between stoicism and buddhism.
It focuses on developing a person's control over their own mental state, claiming that virtuous action becomes natural once emotion/urges are designed by the ego rather than driving it.
Epicureanism is orthogonal, not the opposite; and it's not hedonism.
When we say ... that pleasure is the end and aim, we do not mean the pleasures of the prodigal or the pleasures of sensuality, as we are understood to do by some through ignorance, prejudice or wilful misrepresentation. By pleasure we mean the absence of pain in the body and of trouble in the soul. It is not by an unbroken succession of drinking bouts and of revelry, not by sexual lust, nor the enjoyment of fish and other delicacies of a luxurious table, which produce a pleasant life; it is sober reasoning, searching out the grounds of every choice and avoidance, and banishing those beliefs through which the greatest tumults take possession of the soul.— Epicurus, "Letter to Menoeceus
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@Barney
My opinion on this is oddly controversial…We (men) lost when so many of us behaved so badly that the bear even seems like an option.
If you aren't hacking your way back to individualism you're not helping anything.
It takes both sexes to make a healthy family and both sexes will suffer for this, but that doesn't mean the blame is equal or collective.
There are still families with sane couples, they will decide the future in what they teach (or allow to be taught) to their children.
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@TheGreatSunGod
A statement invented by you.Counting on repentance and non-murder from a rapist is a poor strategy.And telling them that they are idiots if they dont commit more crime is... what exactly?
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I do sometimes forget how stupid many people are. I suppose to you it might seem plausible that someone might not think of killing witnesses unless they saw me point out the obvious on a debate forum.You are basically here giving advice to rapists to kill their victims. Do you even see whats wrong with that?
The 30,000 cop dramas and 1,500,000 detective novels, they missed all those; but when they come to debateart.com they will learn the deep dark secret!
This is what I get for not talking about chickens....
Most people would say that such person needs to repent if he commited rape,
Counting on repentance and non-murder from a rapist is a poor strategy.
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