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@Pinkfreud08
Alright well what's your position on mass immigration and illegal immigration?
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EEO-QIEwB1LmUlH1haJh3n495fqmxXAQ1Phrlj3YKf0/edit shows my ideal requirements for coming into the US. A right winger approved of the list generally as well as a liberal teacher and an illegal/undocumented immigrant.
And what's your stance on the redistribution of wealth?
The rich generally earned their wealth so they should be allowed to keep what they earn.
Position on universal healthcare?
I'm fine with this since it's cheaper in taxes then private healthcare is in premiums. It will be expensive to do though (about $2 trillion per year I've heard)
Venezuela I wouldn't count as socialist, it really lies more in a fascist ideology than a socialist ideology.
Doesn't fascism in Venezuela's case come from socialism? There were politicians that accused Venezuela of being too capitalist and the people decided to make the country socialist. Latin America is generally historically left wing on policy, except for abortion. America is right wing.
You may point to countries such as the Soviet Union and Venezuela however you have Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Germany, Switzerland, United Kindom, and Australia.
All countries with a lower GDP per capita then the USA, except for Norway, but they have an oil advantage. This is including the fact that Europe tends to be more urban then America.
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@Pinkfreud08
We can discuss socialism on this fourm if you want. I don't have the time for a debate, but I might have the time for a fourm if you are interested.
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@dustryder
Compromises are built upon solid exchanges of value. In your compromise, women give up bodily autonomy and their rights. In exchange they get a promise that they may not be able to take advantage of. In the short time, it means they get absolutely nothing.
Lets say your 13 and you get pregnant from consensual sex with your boyfriend. If the US can get a feasible artificial womb in existence in 20 years with some federal funds allocated to it, then the deal is your pregnant this one time and in exchange, you won't have to be pregnant twice in the future for 9 months at a time because the kids get go into the womb. I think women would rather be pregnant once then twice. Also, your boyfriend has to stick with you during the pregnancy, so he can't get out of it either.
As for a tax compromise, I envision the top marginal tax bracket to be raised to %90 at the absolute highest income brackets. We know that high income taxes will not "destroy the American economy" as evidenced by successful nordic tax models and American historical models.
The only time I know where the US has had a 90% tax rate was in the 50s. At this time period, there was also a post WWII economic boom. The economic boom was due to the end of the war, not due to the tax raise. The 20s were a time period without massive tax rates and in the US, this also produced an economic boom. As for Scandinavia, America's GDP per capita is higher then Scandinavia's and the US's economic growth is more stable then Scandinavia.
Why wouldn't you want this compromise? It gets you something that you want. And I assume you aren't an ultra billionaire so it won't affect you all that much
If billionaires are taxed a lot, it reduces their ability to grow their business and to create more jobs. It also encourages them to leave the country, meaning people and families would either lose their jobs or would have to immigrate to the pace where their business moved just to get the job they already had. I don't live in a billionaire house, but 16% of households experience a net loss for taxes. Its not the 99% vs the 1%, since it's more then the 1% that lose money overall from taxes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_nVEH2woBQ explains it better then I can.
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@Snoopy
STDs come from ignorant people and sluts.
1/5 Americans have an incurable STD (https://www.thebody.com/article/fact-sheet-sexually-transmitted-diseases-united-states). Since most people are apathetic about them, unless something is done about them, everyone would get an STD. Something must be done to prevent that from happening.
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@disgusted
Here's a compromise if you strip all women of their bodily autonomy then you strip the same right from men.Now that is a fair compromise.
A woman can't get out of the results of a pregnancy and neither can a man? Deal.
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@dustryder
So essentially this compromise violates women's rights in exchange for the possibility that there will be an alternative to abortion in the future but without any guarantee.
It would happen. History shows it. Humans can create technology pretty well. The device that you are using to read my message is more advanced technology then what NASA had to land someone on the moon. I certainly wasn't expecting Echos/Alexas to exist by now(https://www.bing.com/th?id=OIP.zmKEeKeLITh6ZkJPq8nSDAHaE7&pid=Api&rs=1&p=0). Technology grows very fast. When humans care about innovating technology enough to do something, they can get it done and quickly. When humans cared about sending a guy to the moon, we got it done in less then a decade. I predict it will be technology that ends abortion, just like it was technology that ended slavery. In other words, it's a question of when, not if artificial wombs get developed. More funding means that women get artificial wombs sooner.
For example, would you agree to having the marginal income tax be sharply increased for wealthy individuals and corporations, if 100 million dollars per year were set aside in an attempt to assimilate Canada and increase America's GDP?
How much would the tax rate increase? If it's by 1% (the top tax rate goes from 39.6% to 40.6%), deal. If it's a maximum wage set up where the top rate increases by 60%, then no, it would destroy the American economy.
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@Dr.Franklin
At least mustardness didn't call me racist this time.
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@Dr.Franklin
Mustardness wants me off the planet. Where would I go? Does mustardness even have a job? I'm glad mustardness doesn't run this country.
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@mustardness
pregnant women get two votes since they have one in the oven,
If children can't vote, neither can the unborn. Voting is for adults.
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@mustardness
If you gave me birth control, I would hang on to it just incase, but I'll be surprised if I use it. I don't even want sex when I'm married. That's how much I don't want sex. It's too dangerous. I might get an STD/STI. My girl might get pregnant.
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@blamonkey
My rule for it would be, "Try to be abstinent, but if you can't be abstinent, get birth control". I also would want to strike a deal with planned parenthood if I were POTUS. They stop providing abortions, and in exchange, they get double funding for birth control R&D. Since they no longer fund abortions anymore under this plan, they would use the money to maybe find better birth control or STD research or something that both sides can agree too. I also would want to dedicate $100 Million of federal funds per year (enough to get 1000 people working for $100,000 per year) towards artificial womb research and development so any women who gets pregnant has the artificial womb option. If planned parenthood doesn't want to work on that, fine, I would want to make a federally owned company that makes artificial wombs common, effective, safe, and cheap so females who don't want pregnancy can select an artificial womb.
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@3RU7AL
It seems like a good definition of what a human is. I can't think of any exceptions to the rule and all other definitions of human have at least one exception.
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@disgusted
Yes your side is that women are not entitled to the same rights as men are.
I don't know why Alabama did it and I told you I don't agree with their ruling. I also want men punished for (having sex and then ditching the women when she's pregnant). It's not just for women.
Woman is spelled WOMAN. Please get an education.
It's always libtards like you that complain about trivial things. I plan on going to college. The only thing you are probably majoring in is Gender studies. Explains a lot.
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@3RU7AL
So if a dog or a mouse fetus has brain waves, does that make it human?
Dogs and mice also don't have all the necessary chromosomes to be human. It takes a brain and the right chromosomes to be a human being. Does this sound like a good definition?
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@3RU7AL
At 6 weeks, the fetus has brain activity(https://www.bing.com/search?q=when+does+a+fetus+have+brainwaves&qs=HS&pq=when+does+a+fetus&sc=8-17&cvid=8DDBDC9876EB46B1B4480541253A68BB&FORM=QBRE&sp=1).
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@zedvictor4
I'd be fine with the US gradually taking over the rest of the western hemisphere as long as we don't screw the locals. I'm kindof an imperialist.
As of right now, I don't support what's going on in the middle east, although Obama tried pulling troops out of there, and he created ISIS in the process, albeit accidentally.
Look at what happened in Korea
South Korea's doing pretty well because of American influence. Vietnam is in a bad place because the US withdrew troops and let the commies take over.
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@Polytheist-Witch
I don't agree with everything Alabama does, although I'm willing to (if I had the time and the energy) hear their side of the story instead of immediatly denouncing them. There's 2 sides to every coin.
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@Polytheist-Witch
I think solely the person who shot the pregnant women should be charged with murder. The previously pregnant women probably needs to go to a doctor since she was shot. I don't know too much about that story.
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@dustryder
Under your compromise, what is she gaining and what is she losing?
She loses the right to have an abortion. She gains the right to an artificial womb once those are developed and good enough for public use. Since most women who have abortions care about the child to some extent, they would easily pick the artificial womb in droves. At that point, the abortion debate ceases to be, "Women's rights vs Right to life". It becomes what is best for the child, because a woman can use an artificial womb. This would cause society to become more pro life, just like New Zealand, parts of Australia, South Korea, and Japan.
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@mustardness
When the US has stayed, it created prosperity like in Germany, South Korea, and Japan. When the US has left, it created ISIS in the middle east.
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New offer: Death penalty for murder becomes abolished, and abortion becomes illegal, treated just like murder which would result in life imprisonment for women who have had abortions as well as men who "smash and dash". In exchange, $100 Million per year gets invested into Artificial womb R&D so women who don't want to be pregnant can select an artificial womb for their kid so neither the fetus nor the mother has to suffer. Would create about 1000 high paying jobs too.
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@dustryder
Someone on DART. Some people on my track team supports the idea too. Hopefully, it becomes a reality.
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@zedvictor4
Believe it or not, there is at least one other guy that supports the invasion. Want me to tell you the pros to invasion?
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@Mharman
My parents won't let me which is kindof a problem. Otherwise, I could be making massive amounts of money like Hunter Avellone or Ben Shapiro. I don't think any people want to be conservative youtubers. I would probably say some of my left wing and right wing beliefs. I listen both to Secular Talk and the Daily wire and they both make sense sometimes.
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@Mharman
Should I start my own YouTube channel?
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@Polytheist-Witch
I value freedom in some instances and life in others. I believe in a modified 2nd amendment. I believe in easy immigration requirements (that both the left and the right have agreed to to a large extent). I want the income tax gone. I don't hate freedom, just freedom that infringes on the rights of others, society, or the nation.
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@disgusted
For you to even suggest that rape is a right that has been taken away from men is absolutely disgusting
Marital rape used to be legal. Granted, it was evil and it should have been abolished, but abortion is also evil and it too should be purged from society.
The fetus is a parasite if it isn't wanted, the woman's ACTUAL right to bodily autonomy supersedes the rights that you claim the fetus should have but doesn't.
The only preventing a fetus from having rights is the law. The law ought to give them right to life.
Your insults on this thread alone:
consevatard
Post #2.
That's right, a conservitard coward.
Post #4.
A fukin' bisexual virgin, how funny is that?
Post #9. Your lucky I'm not an SJW otherwise I would report you for hate speech against the LGBT community.
I'd like to admire your courage in expressing such ignorance but I fear it's more likely to result from the mental restrictions of being a conservitard.
Post #57.
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@FaustianJustice
Rather than force minorities into something, how about the enforcement majority NOT do something. That seems to be the easier solution.
According to the left, that's been tried multiple times and failed. It started with ending of slavery. That didn't work. It then proceeded to segregation, which didn't work. It then moved to Affirmative action, which didn't work. Racial assimilation is how we get rid of racism. They won't see you as a different skin color if you don't have that skin color. Blacks are already pretty assimilated within American society already. They are Christian anglophones. They just need to do a little more to fully assimilate.
Because denying abortion for the various reasons stated is internally inconsistent. The only real reason is "to control women", but no one seems to want to actually say that.
Denying abortions is about saving the unborn. We could argue if this goal is consistently met, but the goal is to save the unborn from abortion and to save lives.
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@disgusted
If it's not her body and yet it is using the resources of her body without permission then it has no right to be there.
It does since it had no say in being there.
You're the one who claimed men lost bodily autonomy when they are not allowed to rape women.
Men losing their bodily autonomy in this instance is justified because it infringes on actual women's rights that are decent and that should be protected.
They don't give a fuk about the fetus while it's growing or there would be free medical care and support for the woman, they don't give a fuk about it after it's born or there would be free medical care and support and education.
Finally! Arguments instead of insults. To answer them, if the woman can't afford to take care of the child, or even if she doesn't want the child, she can find someone else able and willing to take care of the child. After like 30 tries if she fails, then she can set the kid up for adoption. If every woman tries 30x with their friends and fails, then most kids would have gotten adopted by one of the 30 tried families and very few additional kids would go into the foster system. Kids get free education in this country up to 12th grade. Virtually no one is trying to take this away. As for support, that's a general term. Can you be more specific?
The rest is either just some insult or a question I have already answered.
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@disgusted
So now you demand the right to rape women
You took my quote seriously out of context.
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@disgusted
Because it infringes on the rights that a fetus ought to have. Neither sex/gender should be allowed to get out of a pregnancy. This I think is consistent.
It has nothing to do with me, it's not my body. It's the woman's choice what she does with her body and you have no say in that either.
It is not her body at 3 weeks. At 6 weeks, the fetus has brainwaves, at 3 weeks, the fetus has a heartbeat and it's own blood type. A body can't have 2 different blood types. That's not how science works.
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@disgusted
How pro choice are you? To 20 weeks? To viability? All the way until birth? Would you be fine with banning it beyond 6 weeks?
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@Snoopy
Abortion is political. I guess we have different views as to where it goes to.
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@disgusted
Are you prepared for all males to relinquish their right to bodily autonomy.
They already lost that in many instances since they can't assault a woman. Granted, this type of restriction is fine. But should a woman be restricted too? A woman should not be allowed to get out of a pregnancy, and neither should a man.
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@disgusted
Most of the 300,000 kids will get adopted by families that the mothers seek out. Assuming 99% of them get adopted to other families that the mother seeks out on her own(it's close to that), the foster system's population only goes up by 3000. Pro life laws have worked well in New Zealand, parts of Australia, Japan, South Korea, and Poland. The world won't end with pro life laws.
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@Dr.Franklin
They can take other jobs. When one door closes, another door opens. Humans are creative creatures and we'll find some way to legally make money, whether it's starting a business, inventing something, construction working, being a nation expander, or some other job that I didn't mention.
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@Ramshutu
You’re simply hoping the adoption system can cope with 300,000 child increase over 100,000.
Since the mother would vigilanticaly do the foster system's job for them essentially by sending the kids to a good foster home by asking people to adopt the kid for the foster system 99% of the time, this makes the increase about 3000 kids, not 300,000. They wouldn't be strangers, they would be people that the mother knows.
You haven’t checked whether the system can cope - or even care whether there are enough people willing to voluntarily adopt to account for all the kids.
They can according to the data in my link. I can repost it if you want.
Its clearly a much better idea and a MUCH more respectful idea to force conservatives who consented to being adoptive parents by virtue of voting for pro life policies to take the children.
If this is what's needed to get abortion outlawed and ended, by putting adult conservative families in a lottery to adopt kids, then fine, such a lottery can exist. If they adopted a kid on their own, they should be exempt from the lottery. I want to adopt when I'm older, so once I do that, I should be exempt, since I want to do it on my own later.
I don’t understand what possible issue you can have with the system I’m proposing
I think your idea is good. But it could be better if consenting families adopted instead of conservatives. This can be achieved by mass advertising, which would get people to adopt.
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@Ramshutu
there are 135,000 children adopted each way
Citation? My citation states that 94% get adopted within 4 years.
You're massively increasing the numbers:
100,000 kids to 103,000 kids isn't a massive increase.
Its MUCH better to simply make sure all children have a home
Most kids already get a home in about 2 years.
by skipping the entire adoption process and give the children directly to those voting against abortion and pro choice policies.
You can make the same argument about any policy that the left advocates big government for.
The conservatives who refuse to let women chose what they want with their bodies get their way - but are directly burdened with the responsibility of those children.
The people being forced to be parents against their will might treat the child badly. It's better if the kid gets adopted by consenting parents. Adoption agencies could advertise much more then what they currently do. 40% of US families have considered adoption (https://www.americanadoptions.com/pregnant/waiting_adoptive_families). So what's preventing them from adopting? One factor is people just don't think about it. Advertising helps get consenting families to adopt by putting the idea in their heads.
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@Ramshutu
With 300,000 abortions each year, the adoption system will not cope
According to http://www.adopt.org/adoption-statistics, it states that over 94% of kids who get set up for adoption get adopted within 4 years. Not only that, but since adoption costs a lot of money, this may sound like a negative but in reality, it means that only rich people are adopting.
If the mother vigilanticaly tries to relocate the child on her own to someone able and willing to take care of them, after like 30 tries, if she fails after those 30 tries, then she can set the kid up for adoption in the foster system. At that point though, only like 1% of the 300,000 people would be entering the foster system since so many would have gotten relocated to parents/families that would want them. The foster system that handles over 100,000 kids (https://www.adoptivefamilies.com/how-to-adopt/foster-care-adoption/understanding-foster-care-system/) can easily deal with a 3% increase.
its a perfect system: vote for pro life policies, and you get out on a list where you can be picked to be personally responsible for the new babies.
You can use the same logic for liberal policies. It would be like me saying, "These liberals all want free birth control? How about anyone who wants free birth control pays for it themselves".
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@Ramshutu
If you don’t want to be stuck with a child you dont want, you can simply not vote for pro life policies.
If the woman doesn't want the kid either, she can set the kid up for adoption. This way, in about 2 years on average, consenting parents take care of the kid.
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@Ramshutu
If the rape victims get sufficient evidence that the rape was done by someone, then the police can arrest the guy responsible for the rape and the rapist can go to jail for 25 years with labor. Rape victim gets $250,000 paid gradually to prevent lottery syndrome.
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@Ramshutu
we will research a way to allow pro lifers to be able to carry an embryo.
Better to get a machine to carry the baby.
Right now, anyone that would be signed up on the pro life register would be required to take an unwanted baby, when chosen at random.
It costs about $10,000 per year to take care of a child, $3,000,000,000 to take care of all aborted children, probably less then that if the kids are foster care. Since there are 140 million pro lifers in the nation, every pro lifer can pay about $20 per year. At the same time, since pro choicers tend to want birth control so badly as well as every other government program, only tax the democrats to pay for welfare and every other expense that the left is fine with. If your Right wing, you pay only right wing taxes, like the military and artificial womb research. If your left wing, you pay left wing taxes, like welfare, extended social security and medicare for all. Does this sound like a good idea?
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@Ramshutu
I think this should be a policy - that anyone formally registering as pro life can be forcefully given an embryo to carry to term
How would someone who is not pregnant and can't get pregnant carry a baby to term? They probably would set the kid up for adoption just like what many pro lifers are fine with the mother doing. There are 140 million pro lifers in the US about and about 300,000 abortions per year. Who takes care of the fetus/baby?
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@Ramshutu
How about we research a way to remove embryos from a pregnant woman who does no want to be pregnant, and the transplant them into pro-life men and women: either directly or via an artificial womb.
Pro life men can't get pregnant, pro life women might be willing to, they weren't the ones who had sex. As for artificial wombs, people are working on those. Once they exist and are cheap and effective at delivering pregnancy, the abortion issue will go away and both sides win.
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@DebateArt.com
but for the purpose of covering the expenses on hosting and maybe buying some coffee to our mods.
How would you send the mods coffee? Don't you guys live far away?
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@Greyparrot
Getting a dead end job won't cut it
What is a dead end job?
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