Total posts: 2,472
Posted in:
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@n8nrgmi
Trump divorced 3x. He is against illegal immigration, when the bible is for open borders. He has yet to sell all he has, which Jesus told him to do. He has exceptions to his abortion position. While I'm not Christian, neither is Trump, and I don't regard this as a bad thing. I don't care if he's Christian or not, as long as he runs the country well. I don't agree with everything Trump has supported, but I like him over Hillary. I would have preferred Mike Pence as president.
Created:
-->
@n8nrgmi
do you think in vitro fertilization for infertile couples should be outlawed?
What is "in vitro fertilization"?
should people who disgard of unused embryos against the law be executed too?
Was the embryo alive to begin with? If not, then it's basically the same thing as throwing away a dead person, not something I would do but it's just a dead person. This is off topic, but I would want to make it mandatory for people who are dead to have their organs taken out of them in order to be able to let someone else use them(assuming the organs are good enough). In other words, I want being an organ donor to be mandatory. I think I should create a forum for this and is below:
Created:
Posted in:
Yes. This is to save lives. If we take the organs from those who have good organs that would save lives, I'm pro innocent life. The rights of the living outweigh the rights of dead bodies.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@n8nrgmi
If the dude rapes the woman, then the woman gets $250,000 if she keeps the pregnancy. The rapist would have to pay an additional $1.5 million in fines to the gov as deterrence. Otherwise, the woman should be put to death for murder as well as the doctor who did it. I might consider advocating for the death of only punishing the doctor who killed the fetus, but someone has to die as punishment. Since the killed baby probably can't feel pain, the execution too would also be painless. If there was conventional murder, where someone gets stabbed, I would want the murderer to be stabbed to death. If she needs help with the pregnancy, she can get a boyfriend to help her and she can promise a small portion of the money in exchange for his emotional support for the pregnancy. This way, boyfriend ally gets a little rich for a kid, the girl gets money that the rapist pays for and the rapist get punished severely. The alternative to birthing the child is punishing the baby for the rapist's crime. The only one that should suffer is the rapist.
It doesn't seem backwards to me because abortion is worse then rape. Both are absolutely horrible, horrible things to do. However, if I were to believe that abortion is murder, then I have no choice but to treat it just like murder. I'm open to change my mind though. If you want to comment about abortion, mention me on an abortion thread, there are many of those now due to the Alabama law. However, lets keep the rape thread about rape.
Created:
-->
@secularmerlin
Statistically speaking world wide geographical locations with stricter gun laws suffer less gun related homicide.
This can easily be explained due to other factors, such as GDP per capita, the culture of the country, etc. America has an aggressive culture compared to a place like Europe, so this could explain the homicide rate increase. A more accurate way to examine the homicide rate effect is to compare a region before and after gun laws got more strict so this way, we know more accurately what caused the homicide increase.
As for defending yourself from a tyrannical government the small arms you are advocating for are no longer a viable leans of accomplishing this goal.
For everyday civilians, I advocate the right to any gun they can afford and would want, whether that be a pistol or an AK 15 because the typical citizen won't use their gun to unjustly harm someone. However, in the school for teachers, they should be allowed to arm themselves to take down 1 shooter.
You don't seem particularly worried about a tyrranical government when discussing uteruses. In fact you call for government invasion of uteruses all over the country. That is also logically incongruous.
I don't want the government to force women to have sex. I merely want to keep the kid, if they are a kid from getting killed by the mother if the mother has had irresponsible sex. It's better that a mother is pregnant for 9 months over sex she easily could have said no to then for the kid to die. I also don't want to allow the boyfriend to smash and dash in the event of consensual sex. This makes boys want sex less. It's partly why I want to be a virgin until marriage. So basically both sexes are responsible for the sex they had. The woman has to endure the pregnancy. The boy can't smash and dash and should provide emotional support to help the mother/woman.
Your brain actually becomes highly active while you are dreaming.
If your unnaturally unconscious, I don't think your brain is active, although I might be wrong on this. If I'm right, does it mean an unnaturally unconscious person should be killed if they're expected to regain consciousness in 14 weeks?
All organisms are either one cell or a bundle of cells. Being a bundle of cells does not grant rights or a cockroach would have rights and in my kitchen at least they do not.
The difference between a cockroach and a fetus is chromosomes. A fetus has human chromosomes, a cockroach does not.
What do you think of mustardness and disgusted? I think they are assholes.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Greyparrot
China has the Death penalty for murder at least.
Created:
-->
@secularmerlin
But advocating for more guns when held in the hands of law abiding citizens reduces the homicide rate and/or defends against a potentially tyrannical government to the citizens. Pro life laws defend against a potentially tyrannical mother to the fetus.
killing even masses of cells with no significant brain function.
A sleeping person doesn't have significant brain function. Does this mean that killing them is okay? No. Also, post born humans are technically bundles of cells too.
Created:
-->
@Vader
I'd rather let teachers arm themselves. It's more effective then a guard.
Created:
-->
@disgusted
You don't understand what the question is.
What is the question?
You are a child who has no understanding of life.
I think it's more accurate to say your an SJW troll who doesn't respect the sanctity of innocent life.
Created:
-->
@disgusted
I challenge you to an abortion debate. Let me know if your interested.
Created:
-->
@disgusted
You must be a muslim
I'm atheist.
you have the right to support rapists like you do it just proves that you are not human.
A person's a person, irrespective of who they support. I don't support rapists and want them punished with a $1.5 million fine. The rape victim gets $250,000 of this.
You are pro death, you don't even know what you support you babbling child.
Apart from the fact that your acting more like a child, I know what I support mostly. I support personal responsibility.
Created:
-->
@disgusted
I'm not 12 and I have free speech to be pro life.
Created:
-->
@disgusted
It shows that Alabama hates rape and they wish it would stop. My other comment shows how a woman doesn't need to get pregnant in the first place and therefore doesn't need abortion.
Created:
-->
@disgusted
There is only one human involved in the abortion debate and that is the pregnant woman.
Science says that the fetal cells specialize at 5 weeks.Explain how that is relevant to the question of a woman's bodily autonomy.
So you dropped the battle about the personhood of a fetus and have resorted to bodily autonomy. If you don't want the child, use an IUD and a condom.
Created:
-->
@disgusted
Being pro life means you are anti woman.
It's about saving a woman. If Alabama hates women, how come they punish some rapists with life imprisonment? How come they support guns, which protect women from rape?
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Vader
CRISPR is the future. We should have few if any restrictions on CRISPR because anyone that dies from it helped save at least thousands of lives elsewhere in the form of less genetic diseases and maybe in the future immortality. I'm scared of death.
Created:
-->
@Vader
Being pro life means that you want abortions illegal for everyone.
Created:
-->
@Vader
Libertarians believe in most if not all of your bullet points. Libertarian and liberal aren't the same thing. How can you be pro life and want abortion legal at the same time? That's not being pro life. That's being pro choice. The Pro life vs pro choice debate is how you would want others to live, to care about life or a woman's right to choose.
Created:
-->
@Vader
Liberals want no restrictions on abortions with fetuses that can't survive outside the womb. They want absolute freedom on these abortions. Conservatives prefer life to this facet of freedom. You can believe what you want to believe, but it's jut not right wing. I think your a libertarian and if you think differently, then what makes you a conservative instead of a libertarian?
Created:
-->
@Vader
I don't trust my rapping abilities.
Created:
-->
@Vader
Your position and the liberal one sound similar.
Created:
Posted in:
Created:
Posted in:
American Samoa and Mariana should become states after we send enough Americans there.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Vader
Are you interested in this? You seem like the type of person that would like this stuff.
Created:
Posted in:
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Grugore
Where do you get all the vitamins you need? People surviving solely off of that food might work, but will it result in a long lifespan? Will you be healthy from it? I'm just not sure about it.
Created:
-->
@bsh1
I don't know if I have time for this. Sorry.
Created:
-->
@Vader
It's not conservative. It might be libertarian, but not conservative. How do libertarians and conservatives differ except for social freedom?
Created:
-->
@secularmerlin
If doctor and abortionist are synonymous then there are far more abortionists that do not perform abortions than abortionists that do perform them. I think your definition needs a little work.
Would abortion doctor be a good definition?
I could point out that what you have said does nothing to address my actual point (which for the record was that prohibiting illegal abortion does not prevent women from seeking abortion but for a make the procedure far more dangerous and expensive for them) but instead I will just ask who is going to pay for this birth control? I mean it's not really free right? Thought republicans advocate for self responsibility?
I could live with gov subsidized birth control for everyone if it reduced abortions. Contraception is cheap.
Personhood is a legal distinction not a scientific one. Science has not and cannot confirm any such thing.
Fine. A fetus then ought to be considered a person because of scientific evidence.
The fetus is not being asked to take on any responsibility. In fact just the opposite
Responsibility is similar to sacrifice. A fetus is being required without their consent to sacrifice their life because some guy couldn't keep it in their pants. This is not Republican.
Created:
-->
@secularmerlin
So the "abortionists" are primarily doctors.
There synonyms.
Well making abortion illegal would certainly cause the death rate of one of these groups to skyrocket whatever the actual legal repercussions are.
In the short term yes. However in the long term, it purges abortion from American society, saving more babies in the long term. It encourages women to use an IUD and to force their males to use condoms if they want to have sex. It reduces abortion and it encourages birth control, which I want to be free.
If you tell someone to kill another person, your both responsible for their death and you both must pay for what you did.I'm sorry but are we discussing a fetus or a person?
It's based off of the assumption that a fetus is a person. Science has confirmed this assumption.
Is someone unable to be pro choice and believe in taking personal responsibility?
Personal responsibility is people taking responsibility for the own actions. Being pro choice means you support a woman's right to force a fetus to take responsibility for her actions. It's mutually exclusive.
Created:
-->
@disgusted
I challenge you to a debate on abortion or the death penalty for murder. Take your pick. Mustardness didn't accept it. Hopefully you do.
Created:
-->
@Snoopy
Why do you advocate the death penalty for people convicted of murder?
-Eye for an eye is a good method of justice. It's formulaic and logical.
-It reduces the homicide rate according to the link below:
-It can be done cheaper if executions are done in a stadium.
Created:
-->
@secularmerlin
I am unaware of any "abortionists" there are women who have the procedure and doctors thst perform it but no one is just an abortion enthusiast to the best of my knowledge.
An abortionist is someone who performs abortions. I think both the woman who had the abortion and the provider need to be put to death for the murder of an innocent fetus. If you tell someone to kill another person, your both responsible for their death and you both must pay for what you did.
Please rigorously define republican.
One who advocates for personal responsibility and someone who believes you should pay for your mistakes instead of others.
Created:
-->
@Vader
Are you a libertarian? How is possible to be pro choice and a republican?
Created:
-->
@disgusted
A meaningless statement that you have heard but don't understand now prove it.
Science says that the fetal cells specialize at 5 weeks.
You support capital punishment, you are pro murder.
There are different types of killing, 2 of them are execution and murder. Murder is usually if not all the time worse then execution.
Created:
-->
@disgusted
Now go and actually learn something, the propaganda you've been indoctrinated with is not education.
I'm pretty sure your the one that got indoctrinated by college.
You are pro murder, get over it.
How?
If only the numpties could understand human reproduction you wouldn't make the stupidly absurd claims you make.
Ad hommin attack.
When is a fetus a human being?
When the cells specialize.
Created:
-->
@disgusted
You want to mention foreign examples? North Korea has legal abortions(so does China). South Korea, Japan, New Zealand and parts of Australia have abortion restrictions into law. The latter 4 seem like good western countries and they don't have abortion on demand.But only the barbaric nations have the death penalty, you know the Muslims and Chinese and other backwards countries like yours.
Countries with the death penalty: South Korea, Japan, New Zealand. From what I've researched, the death penalty reduces the homicide rate.
Science confirms that a fetus is a human being. A woman should not be forcing her views on a fetus.
Created:
-->
@disgusted
It's called ideological consistency. If we have the DP for murder, and abortion is murder, then those who commit it(abortionists) should get killed.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@DebateArt.com
You can show how many fourm posts were posted in the last week so we know our fourm post rate.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@secularmerlin
Are you suggesting we not award this money to anyone who acts out self destructively?
When did I say this?
What metric are they using to measure self destructiveness?
If they are trying to harm themselves.
I think castration can be dropped as a punishment and the punishment is merely only the fine.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@secularmerlin
This does not logically follow. There are many self destructive behaviors short of suicide.
The only ones that I can think of aren't that expensive and if rape made the victim want to do something, they probably already would have done it.
Tying tubes would in no way prevent repeat offense. Your suggested punishment is no longer in keeping with your stated goals. Please take a moment to consider this and see if you can think of a punishment that is in keeping with these goals.
A $2.5 million fine would prevent repeat offense. If not, the people being prosecuted would get paid a good amount of money for their pain in enduring a false prosecution.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@secularmerlin
Firstly you keep saying she as thpug h only women can be raped.
I should have clarified; rape victim vs rapist.
The victim could use the money to enable self destructive behavior.
The victim probably won't. Otherwise, they would have bought a $250 gun and committed suicide already. I don't think they will use the money for suicide.
In that case it only makes sense that the rapist pay the state. Is that what you are advocating for?
I want the rapist to pay the federal government and the federal government would give half of the $2.5 million to the rape victim to help them out.
I see no reason to believe that mandatory castration would prevent repeat offences as you are suggesting.
If castrated, their testosterone levels would plummet and as a result, they have less desire for sex. Plus, if they were to rape again(I doubt it), at least there is no chance of pregnancy.
You mean castration?
They would pay the fine and would get their tubes tied or castration, depending on the sex/gender of the offender.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Snoopy
If the accusation is confirmed to be false, the rape victim would endure the punishment the "rapist" would have endured.
Created: