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@mustardness
Do you want a formal debate on abortion?
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@secularmerlin
The rape victim can use that money to better her life. For example, she can pay off her student loans or can get free college that she earned. This way, even if she gets pregnant from the rape, she spends 9 months with a baby and doesn't have 9 years of student loans. She can also spend it on the mental help she would need. I don't know how else to help them recover from the event that can be sped up. Anything I can think of, mental help, time to heal for example, can be paid for with the money she would get or can't be sped up with anything we can do.
Rapists rape at least partially for sex. I imagine power is in there too. It's probably a combination of the desire for sex and power. Otherwise, strangers wouldn't rape random people, as what often happens. Rape rates are also higher in the summer, when people tend to wear more revealing clothes, so the sex desire does at least have something to do with why people rape. If they are castrated, then they lose the desire to have sex largely since their testosterone levels would plummet.
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@secularmerlin
If the rape victim gets restitution, then the rapist should pay for it. Not the taxpayer.
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@secularmerlin
Before moving forward do we have tangential goals and if so what are they?
I have 2 goals that I can think of. The main one is to help rape victims out without infringing on the rights of the taxpayer. The 2nd one is to provide deterrence for rapists to not commit rape. This is why I favor castration as part of the punishment.
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@secularmerlin
Then clearly punishment should not be our main focus.
Some punishment is necessary, like the $2.5 million fine that the rapist would have to pay. This is because the rape victim gets half of this to improve her situation. The current punishment in some states is a joke, like 1 year in prison (https://www.cga.ct.gov/2003/olrdata/jud/rpt/2003-R-0376.htm).
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@secularmerlin
The main goal should be helping the rape victim in a way that ordinary taxpayers don't suffer from.
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@secularmerlin
I think if all penetration rape ought to be punished with 2 payments of a $1.25 million fine and castration would help do all of those things. The rape victim would get one of these payments. It would prevent future rape if the # of females reporting their rape skyrockets, it dispenses justice, it makes the rapist suffer and it gives the rape victim compensation for the pain that she endured.
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@Snoopy
If they can't afford it, the rapist should be a state slave until they pay it off. They also should get castrated so their kids don't suffer slavery.
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@Polytheist-Witch
Guns provide protection and save lives. Abortion takes them. Figured the aspect of freedom might apply to mustardness since they want me to mind my own business, even when there is an innocent life being killed in the process.
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@Snoopy
That would be bad for Mexico and doesn't help the rape victim out much.
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@Stronn
what is to prevent me from deficit-spending for government jobs that don't contribute anything to society?
What is deficit spending? If a job doesn't contribute to society, it shouldn't exist.
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Bumped up to top.
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@Greyparrot
The government pays politicians for their work. I don't know what this is called.
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@dustryder
I know the difference between median and mean. I think it should be the mean that determines the salary because $1 billion even for one person is a lot of money, so that should be factored in. However, politicians deserve more then the median or the mean. They should get a multiple of this.
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I hope America stays #1. We need to increase our GDP at a quick rate to beat China. Any ideas?
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@Snoopy
I think the mean is better then the median. We measure success in GDP per capita largely and that's the mean.
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@sadolite
College should not be free.
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@Snoopy
Maybe triple the mean salary of Americans. I doubt they would be able to prioritize too much money to their states.
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I think they should get paid on the basis of how well their constituents are doing to encourage them to help out their people.
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@Yassine
(including humans & jinn)
What's jinn in this context?
Is Jahannam/hell a temporary place or an eternal place for conscious creatures? You said something about it attracting evil, so that kindof resembles purgatory in the bible since I imagine it as purging the evil from one's soul.
Preponderance of evidence. First, the authenticity of the Quran is easily verifiable
How is it verifiable? GotQuestions.org, a Christian site claims that Christianity is correct while all other religions are false prophets. Islam claims that it is the only accurate religion. I imagine many religious faiths do the same thing.
Third, the life & teachings & miracles of the prophet of Islam, Muhammed (pbuh), are much more accessible & verifiable.
How is it much more accessible and verifiable?
Are you saying God literally conquered Europe or Africa & such?
I'm saying is it possible for all the Gods that have ever existed on the earth(God/Allah, Jupiter/Zeus, The hindu god, Bhudda, etc) to have sat down in some spaceship with a map of the earth and decided to partition the earth into various sectors. God/Allah got Israel, Jupiter/Zeus got the Roman empire, Bhudda got China, etc. Jupiter and Zeus needed money, so they sold the Roman empire to God. This is why the Roman empire became Christian so fast. As God/Allah got richer, he wanted to expand his influence on Earth. This caused him to buy out most of the tribal gods which gave him the power to bless Christian Europe with the power to colonize most of Africa and much of the world. God/Allah tried to buy out the Indian Pagans with the British empire, but they refused. Same with the Chinese. Does this make sense?
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@mustardness
Pregnant women don't deserve to have their own business minded because they might kill an innocent human being. You would be consistent if you applied your abortion logic to your gun logic. Gun grabbers need to stop inserting their noses into the business of gun owners.
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@mustardness
Weapons provide protection against a tyrannical government. What do you think of Shriah law killing gay people? Do you think it is the Muslim's culture? Or do you think it is a human rights abuse?
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@mustardness
Your a troll.
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@Polytheist-Witch
If the son looks like the rapist, it's all the more reason to set the kid up for adoption.
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@YeshuaRedeemed
No one has the right to my body without my consent.
The rapist does not. The fetus had no choice. Since you claimed to be raped, are you a
If you can shoot an intruder, I can abort one.
The intruder chose to intrude to your house. The fetus did not choose to exist. If you don't want the kid, set the kid up for adoption. If it were my decision, you would have gotten restitution for it so that could have improved your situation.
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@YeshuaRedeemed
The death penalty for it seems too harsh. I would say 2 payments of a $1.25 million fine with the rape victim getting one of those payments. This way, the rape victim actually benefits from something that harmed them. I thought on Debate island, you were against the death penalty for murder. Unless your views on that changed, your an abolitionist for murder, but you support the death penalty for rape? It seems to me like murder is worse then rape and should therefore receive a worse punishment, even though they are both horrible crimes.
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@YeshuaRedeemed
It's better for a rape victim to give birth when she can get restitution for the rape then to kill the baby that comes from it when the fetus cannot receive adequate restitution for their death. By resorting to the rape exception, you basically advocate for the banning of every abortion that does not involve rape. Is this your intent?
BTW, if someone rapes, I want the rapist to pay 2 payments of $1.25 million in fines with the rape victim getting 1 payment. The other payment becomes tax revenue. If you were raped and have evidence of it, sue the rapist and you can expect punishment on his part. You might get a reward too, although I don't know. I'm not a lawyer.
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There have been 2 left leaning people on this site that I know of that have endorsed polygamy rights. I as a right winger also support the right to be polygamous. Feel free to change my mind on this if you want to.
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@mustardness
Are you the same person who is against sex education of children coming into puberty?
When did I say this?
Are you the same person who is against free access to condoms by all children who sexually active?
I prefer the girl going on an IUD. They are more effective. I think putting women in a bad mood is worth the safety of the product. Women can get happy by other means.
I think you should be fined for not being a moral and decent human being in these regards because when it comes to sexual desires, we are dealing with some very strong hormones with young and dumb teenage children for the most part.
As a teenager, I support punishing premarital sex(under some situations) with a fine.
An innocent unborn human is organism of the mother and you need to keep you indecent and immoral judgement repressions of women to your self or be put in prison and fined.
This sentence contradicts it's self. I might keep my opinions to abortion to myself when the abortionist keeps the baby killing tools to themselves and doesn't force a fetus to endure them. The woman shouldn't be allowed to force her view on an unborn baby.
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@n8nrgmi
if you have black name on a resume you are less likely to be called.
Then, change your name to something white.
if you are black, you are more likely to be shot for the same crimes as white people.
If your referring to execution, this could be because black people are more likely to live in a state with the death penalty. There are a lot of blacks in the south.
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If it was freedom, they would support gay and weed rights.
If it was life, they would support open borders, saving illegals.
I think it's personal responsibility.
Thoughts?
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@Polytheist-Witch
To make it fair for the man and easier for the woman, if the man does a smash and dash when his girlfriend gets pregnant, he would also receive the death penalty for encouraging abortion. This will reduce abortions and will encourage mutual personal responsibility between both sexes. Just having premarital sex(with exceptions) and no pregnancy would result in a fine that the parents pay for.
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@n8nrgmi
I think the punishment for both 1st and 2nd degree murder should be the death penalty to reduce the murder rate and because people need to take personal responsibility for themselves. To get back on topic, if you don't want children, don't have sex, or use an IUD (and make sure you don't have STDs) to prevent pregnancy. I'm fine with free contraception in exchange for abolishing abortion nationwide.
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@Polytheist-Witch
I think the punishment for premarital sex(under some situations) in of it's self should be a fine of $500. The punishment for killing an innocent unborn human being should be the death penalty.
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@Polytheist-Witch
No it's because the six year old is an evil sin filled female.
What are you saying No about? Can you quote it?
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@Polytheist-Witch
I know the situation to some extent. The woman had sex with a man she should have said no to, and she got pregnant. She wants to avoid responsibility for the kid, she probably thinks adoption will mess up the kid (even though it usually doesn't), and she kills the kid. I should have a say because the pro life policy saves human lives.
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@n8nrgmi
if you were in a burning building and you knew five viable test tube babies were at one end of the building, and a little six year old girl was at the other end, and you could only save the tubes or the girl..... which would you save and why?
I heard of a similar argument before. I would save the test tubes because there more kids and assuming they will survive, they will grow into babies. Especially in this situation because there is no mother to be in pain about the pregnancy.
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@Polytheist-Witch
They are not cancer after 6 weeks whether or not you think they are since their cells specialize.
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@n8nrgmi
what do you think about second degree murder?
What's the difference between 1st degree and 2nd degree murder?
i dont think my position is liberal. it is moderate. i cut off abortion at eighteen weeks, the mid way point of pregnancy where some say pain is felt. i also would technically outlaw almost all abortion
This statement is contradictory since most abortions happen within the 1st 20 weeks.
having a third trimester abortion because you feel inconvinienced or your state allows mental health exceptions, shouldn't happen.
What do you think the punishment should be for 3rd trimester abortions? I think it should be the death penalty that's as painful as the method used to kill the baby because it's murder.
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@Polytheist-Witch
Cancer is cells that don't specialize. Otherwise, a newborn baby would be cancer.
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There are so many religions. The Bible is as valid as the Quran in terms of accuracy. ` It seemed like religion was made up.
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@Polytheist-Witch
Science has confirmed that the cells specialize at 5 weeks. They cease to be cancer at this point.
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@Ramshutu
He started a fourm called, "All hail King Alec". I think he respects me. I have like 60 friends, so I'm pretty popular.
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@Ramshutu
@oromagi
I think oromagi is on my side. I tagged him so he might verify it.
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@n8nrgmi
I used to be pro choice, like yesterday, but now I'm pro life because I changed my mind. To address your arguments:
i would at the very least define personhood at the stage of fetal pain, half way through the pregnancy.
So, your pro choice at 20 weeks? This is the liberal position.
you also seem pretty conservative, so would you execute a woman for aborting her one month baby in pregnancy? why or why not?
Once abortion becomes illegal, any woman that has an abortion should be put to death. This is because of ideological consistency. If you believe in the death penalty for murder and you believe abortion is murder, then you gotta do what you gotta do. If you want abortion to be illegal, there has to be a punishment. If you believe that it is murder, then you ought to treat it just like murder. If this is the death penalty, then so be it.
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Is anyone rooting for me?
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@blamonkey
so voters like you don't have to spend 4 hours on my arms alone.
What are arms in this context?
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