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@ILikePie5
My activity will be extremely low until Monday night (traveling for a chess tournament). Just a heads up.
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Ig I can see the confusion here. But Austin was even more confusing when he gave you that message and then gave me something contradictory from my POV
Eh, more ambiguous than contradictory, but I can understand the confusion there.
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Also tbh I think outing how your role worked would've been the right call. There wasn't a lot of utility in hiding it for another night
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@ILikePie5
Also you couldn’t use both lawyer and framer. Only one role from each list.
He could've framed Moozer and deflected actions on himself to Earth.
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@Barney
@Vader
@whiteflame
@ILikePie5
Pinged in case of interest
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@Lunatic
Tyvm, glad you had fun too. You and Vader worked well together
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General thoughts:
Setup:
-Very swingy.
-A little bit townsided. In particular, whiteflame's role was really powerful in hindsight, and could've screwed scum over if he got a chance to use it.
-Scum technically had a counter to everything with the JOAT ability, although it didn't quite work out that way in the game.
-Didn't anticipate Pie double-RBing Lunatic. Very high-risk play of Luna to accept both times, but it worked out very well.
-I still maintain that Earth's role and the way I explained it wasn't bastard, just non-standard. That being said, I definitely did mess up in not being consistent with the level or ambiguity of information I was giving to town members who asked about it. In the future, I will try to be more consistent about my info policy.
Lynch choices:
-Joebob... yeah, sorry Joebob. Your role was pretty scummy. I honestly didn't think you would out it like that.
-Barney was a little bit hyperaggressive with the defense. That being said, he did a good enough job that he pretty much outed Luna as forcing a mislynch. Town should've picked up on how hard Luna was pushing.
-Vader was correctly lynched. Gj town on that one, although POE made it easy.
-Moozer... honestly I'm not even sure why Pie lynched him other than POE. Dude was towny af throughout. Besides, you'd have to assume that he managed to come up with a brilliant fakeclaim with town's ONLY PROTECTIVE ROLE straight off the bat. Really?
Feedback:
Vader: Solid play throughout. Your behavior was pretty townie, but your claim could use work. It was a clear outlier compared to all the others.
Lunatic: Played excellently. Choice to buddy Pie hard was risky, and I think you took it too far at some point, but ended up carrying you the game. Mathematician was a brilliant fakeclaim.
Pie: How did you not notice Luna was blatantly buddying you??? I'm not going to criticize three mislynches because there were reasons behind all of them, but Luna was making it too obvious by the end.
Joebob: Sorry. You tried with a bad roll of the dice.
Barney: Good job not giving up on defending yourself, but the way you attacked the people trying to lynch you looked scummy from an outside POV.
whiteflame: Good play, unfortunately you got NKed right before the critical moment of the game.
Earth: Nothing much to say. Good choices of targets.
Moozer: You played EXCELLENTLY for your first game, to the extent that Pie thought you had a scumbuddy helping you. Don't claim early in the future though. Your scumreads were on point.
Savant: Nothing much to say, tough luck sometimes.
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ACTIONS:
DP1:
-Earth gives cop to whiteflame
-Pie requests donation from Lunatic
-Joebob lynched
NP1:
-Lunatic donates to Pie (forfeits night actions)
-Vader NKs Savant
-Vader selects Earth and Barney
-Barney selects whiteflame and Pie (in that order)
-whiteflame investigates Earth (Earth carries out investigation)
-Moozer waives
DP2:
-Earth gives cop to whiteflame
-Pie requests donation from Lunatic
-Barney lynched
NP2:
-Lunatic donates to Pie (forfeits night actions)
-Vader NKs whiteflame
-Vader selects Moozer and Pie
-whiteflame investigates Pie (Earth carries out investigation)
-Moozer doctors himself, strengthens Vader
DP3:
-Earth gives cop to Pie
-Vader lynched
NP3:
-Lunatic scouts Pie
-Lunatic frames Moozer
-Lunatic strongmans Earth
-Lunatic NKs Earth
-Pie investigates Lunatic (Earth carries out investigation)
DP4:
-Moozer lynched
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MAFIA WINS!
Vader - You are Anatoly Karpov! You are a former World Champion, and an incredibly strong one at that. You are known for your unique style called “prophylaxis”, which involves predicting the other player’s plans and then preventing them. In addition, you are still widely admired in the chess world despite being a Putin bootlicker. Thus, you are the Godfather Predictive Role Thief. If you are investigated by a cop, you will be investigated as innocent. Each night, you may choose two players. If either of these players are lynched the next day, then you will steal the remaining player’s role for the night, allowing you to use it and blocking them from using it. You win with the mafia.
Lunatic - You are Magnus Carlsen! You are widely considered to be one of the greatest world champions of all time. You have a powerful, universal style as well as incredible memory and calculation skills. In addition, you are especially strong in the endgame (the last phase of a chess game). Thus, you are the Progressive Super-JOAT. You can use as many abilities each night as the current night number: N1 = 1 ability, N2 = 2 abilities, N3 = 3 abilities, N4 and above = 4 abilities.
You can use the same ability on multiple nights, but you cannot choose two abilities from the same list on the same night.
List 1: Lawyer (innocent when guilty), Framer (guilty when innocent), Tailor (flip inv results)
List 2: Scout (track who a player visits), Lookout (watch who visited a player), Voyeur (see what actions were performed on a player)
List 3: Strongman (kill cannot be stopped by protective roles), Ninja (kill can’t be seen by watchers/trackers), Strengthened (kill cannot be roleblocked)
List 4: Redirector (redirect Player A’s action to Player B), Bus Driver (redirect actions performed on Player A to Player B, and vice versa), Deflector (redirect actions performed on Player A to player B)
You win with the mafia.
Pie - You are lichess.org! You are a free online chess server run by a self-described communist programmer. Everybody loves you. Due to your nonprofit nature, you rely entirely on donations for funding. Thus, you are the Donation-Dependent Innocent Child. Each DAY, you may select a player to solicit for donations. You must PM a choice to me before the flip (you can change your choice as many times as you want before then). As a day action, this will not interact with any night actions performed by other players. The following night, that player will receive the following PM:
“A player has asked you for a small donation. If you choose to donate, you will forfeit any night actions as if roleblocked. Do you choose to donate?”
You will be informed on whether you successfully received a donation. Once you receive two donations, you will be revealed as the Innocent Child.
You win with the town.
Joebob- You are algebraic notation! You’re a type of encoding system used to record the moves of chess games so that they can be reviewed, watched, and shared even after the game ends. This recording system involves tracking a piece to a square it moves to using an intricate coordinate grid. Thus, you are the Flipped Tracker. Each night, you can track a player, which will record which players they visited, if any. If/when you die, this notation sheet will be revealed with your flip. You win with the town.
Barney - You are the pin! You are a type of tactic – a pattern involving a certain configuration of pieces. It occurs when a less valuable piece cannot easily move due to that exposing a more valuable piece to attack. Thus, you are the Conditional Roleblocker. Each night, you may choose a “minor player” and a “major player”. If the minor player does not move, nothing will happen. If the minor player moves, then you will follow the minor player (finding out who received a visit from them that night), and roleblock the major player (preventing them from carrying out any night actions). You win with the town.
Whiteflame - You are the draw offer! The draw offer is a unique aspect of chess. A player can offer a draw to their opponent in any position, which can either be accepted or declined. A draw offer is often used to gain a tactical advantage. Thus, you are the Offering Gladiator. Once per game, you can “offer a draw” to another player during a day phase (this is done by saying [I offer a draw to (player)] and tagging me). I will then post the following message:
“whiteflame has offered a draw to [Player]! [Player] can choose to either accept or decline the draw offer. If [Player] accepts, then [Player] will forfeit his night action as if roleblocked, while whiteflame will be protected for the night. If [Player] declines, then votes will be reset and only whiteflame and [Player] will be votable for the rest of the day phase.”
You win with the town.
Earth - You are Stockfish! You are the strongest chess engine in the world – a type of program that analyzes a chess position and then calculates the best continuation. While most players use you for learning and studying, some players use you to cheat. At the end of the day, you’re a tool that can be used for good or for evil. Thus, you are the Controllable Cop. Each DAY, you may select a player to use you. You must PM a choice to me before the flip (you can change your choice as many times as you want before then). As a day action, this will not interact with any night actions performed by other players.
During the night, this player will receive the following message:
“You have been given the opportunity to use a chess engine to find the best move. You may input the name of a player and receive their alignment. If you choose to use it, then you will forfeit any night actions as if roleblocked. Do you accept?”
You will not be informed on whether an investigation was carried out, or the result/target of the investigation.
You win with the town.
Moozer - You are castling! This is a special move that allows two pieces – the king and a rook - to move in a single turn. This typically helps protect the king and activate the rook. It can only be done twice per game (once by each player). Thus, you are the two-shot Doctor-Strengthener. Two nights per game, you may select one player as a “king” and another player as a “rook.” The “king” will be protected from any lethal night actions, while the “rook” will have any active actions be unable to be tampered with. You win with the town.
Savant - You are the Pawn! The pawn is the least powerful piece in chess, capable only of moving one square at a time. Beginners tend not to value pawns very much, which is a shame. Pawns have a special ability to promote to a queen (the strongest piece) when they reach the final row of the board. Thus, you are the Miller Soldier. If you are investigated by a cop, you will be investigated as guilty. If at any point you are the last surviving town member, then town will automatically win the game. You win with the town.
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@ILikePie5
The whole active passive action thing is also bastard
Come take it up with mafiascum modding rules :)
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@Lunatic
Yep, just chess players vs chess concepts. Pretty obvious and designed to force fakeclaims.
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@ILikePie5
Godfather was already outted. There was a less chance of Framer, Lawyer, Tailor, wtv. Trust me that I didn’t even think about that. If you told me the same thing as WF. I would’ve hammered Lunatic
And that would've been based on a misinterpretation of what I said, but oke
Literally the only reason why I doubted my result was because of the BD/RD
Which again, could have affected the results if Earth got collateraled by them
Also the flipped Tracker was garbage
I do owe Joebob an apology for that one.
Oh and Barney, my my my
Interesting...
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I'll post endgame when I'm back on a proper computer btw, with all the roles/actions
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Oh, one more thing - even if you think my active action thing was ambiguous, it wouldn't have mattered anyway, since a Lawyer/Framer/Tailor could still affect the target. So the investigation was never confirmed as reliable.
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@ILikePie5
So the Cop that was given to me. Can it be roleblocked?This was what WF said: “Also, I was told this after the fact: the action I took was not considered an "active action." I asked for clarification, and what that means is it doesn't behave like a normal night action. It wouldn't have been affected by a roleblocker or redirector (yes, he did say that specifically). So, while a Godfather might fool it, I think we can confidently say that the result is the one I got on Earth, not the result of some change of target.”
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@ILikePie5
Refusing to answer something generally constitutes an answer by itself.
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@Lunatic
Oh yeah also, idk why you didn't just make this play NP3:
-Frame Moozer
-Deflect yourself to Pie
-Scout Pie
Did you consider that at all? basically would've been a lawyer on urself
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@ILikePie5
I told whiteflame that him being roleblocked or redirected would not have affected the result of the investigation. Giving more info than that to him would've been unfair tbh
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The idea was to fit thematically with the idea of a chess engine. A chess engine allows you to input a position, does all the work for you, and then outputs a correct move.
I don't think the role was bastard in any way other than being non-standard, as most of the roles in this game were. Unless you have an example of me specifically saying that the investigation as a whole couldn't be manipulated, I think I fairly answered questions regarding it.
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@ILikePie5
It wasn't bastard lol, Earth just didn't explain his role properly. Earth was the one carrying out the investigation, and you were choosing the target. Thus, redirecting or roleblocking Earth would cause the investigation to be tampered with, while redirecting or roleblocking you would not.
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VOTECOUNT:
Lunatic (1/2): Moozer
Moozer (1/2): Lunatic
Chess is art, science, sport, and tragedy.
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FLIPS:
Lynched DP1: Joebob, Algebraic Notation, Flipped Tracker
Killed NP1: Savant, Pawn, Miller Soldier
Lynched DP2: Barney, Pin, Conditional Roleblocker
Killed NP2: whiteflame, Draw Offer, Offering Gladiator
Lynched DP3:
Vader - You are Anatoly Karpov! You are a former World Champion, and an incredibly strong one at that. You are known for your unique style called “prophylaxis”, which involves predicting the other player’s plans and then preventing them. In addition, you are still widely admired in the chess world despite being a Putin bootlicker. Thus, you are the Godfather Predictive Role Thief. If you are investigated by a cop, you will be investigated as innocent. Each night, you may choose two players. If either of these players are lynched the next day, then you will steal the remaining player’s role for the night, allowing you to use it and blocking them from using it. You win with the mafia.
Killed NP3:
Earth - You are Stockfish! You are the strongest chess engine in the world – a type of program that analyzes a chess position and then calculates the best continuation. While most players use you for learning and studying, some players use you to cheat. At the end of the day, you’re a tool that can be used for good or for evil. Thus, you are the Controllable Cop. Each DAY, you may select a player to use you. You must PM a choice to me before the flip (you can change your choice as many times as you want before then). As a day action, this will not interact with any night actions performed by other players.
During the night, this player will receive the following message:
“You have been given the opportunity to use a chess engine to find the best move. You may input the name of a player and receive their alignment. If you choose to use it, then you will forfeit any night actions as if roleblocked. Do you accept?”
You will not be informed on whether an investigation was carried out, or the result/target of the investigation.
You win with the town.
Living Players:
1. Pie
2. Moozer
3. Lunatic
Deadline:
The DP ends 72 hours from the first player post in this thread.
Additional Info:
Good luck!
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FINAL VOTECOUNT:
Vader (4/3): Moozer, Pie, Earth, Lunatic
Vader was lynched! He was... guilty!
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VOTECOUNT:
Vader (1/3): Moozer
What could all this mean?
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@Earth
@Lunatic
@Vader
@ILikePie5
@Moozer325
It's the final countdown...
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FLIPS:
Lynched DP1: Joebob - Algebraic Notation, Flipped Tracker
Killed NP1: Savant - Pawn, Miller Soldier
Lynched DP2:
Barney - You are the pin! You are a type of tactic – a pattern involving a certain configuration of pieces. It occurs when a less valuable piece cannot easily move due to that exposing a more valuable piece to attack. Thus, you are the Conditional Roleblocker. Each night, you may choose a “minor player” and a “major player”. If the minor player does not move, nothing will happen. If the minor player moves, then you will follow the minor player (finding out who received a visit from them that night), and roleblock the major player (preventing them from carrying out any night actions). You win with the town.
Killed NP2:
Whiteflame - You are the draw offer! The draw offer is a unique aspect of chess. A player can offer a draw to their opponent in any position, which can either be accepted or declined. A draw offer is often used to gain a tactical advantage. Thus, you are the Offering Gladiator. Once per game, you can “offer a draw” to another player during a day phase (this is done by saying [I offer a draw to (player)] and tagging me). I will then post the following message:
“whiteflame has offered a draw to [Player]! [Player] can choose to either accept or decline the draw offer. If [Player] accepts, then [Player] will forfeit his night action as if roleblocked, while whiteflame will be protected for the night. If [Player] declines, then votes will be reset and only whiteflame and [Player] will be votable for the rest of the day phase.”
You win with the town.
Living Players:
1. Pie
2. Moozer
3. Lunatic
4. Vader
5. Earth
Deadline:
The DP ends 72 hours from the first player post in this thread.
Additional Info:
Pie is INNOCENT.
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FINAL VOTECOUNT:
Barney (4/4): Pie, Lunatic, Vader, whiteflame
Lunatic (2/4): Barney, Moozer
Barney was lynched! He was... innocent :<
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VOTECOUNT:
Barney (3/4): Pie, Lunatic, Vader
Pie (1/4): Moozer
Speed! (is never town)
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VOTECOUNT (please let me know if I made any mistakes, I just checked the last few pages for bolded text):
Barney (3/4): Pie, Lunatic, Vader
Vader (1/4): Moozer
The well-known trinity.
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Barney (3/4): Pie, Lunatic, Vader
Vader (1/4): Moozer
A chess game is a long-term commitment, after all.
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VOTECOUNT:
Barney (3/4): Pie, Lunatic, Vader
Pie (1/4): Moozer
Lunatic (1/4): whiteflame
Who could it be?
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VOTECOUNT:
Barney (1/4): Pie
Pie (1/4): Moozer
Vader (1/4): whiteflame
Two roads diverged in a yellow wood...
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