AustinL0926

Sucks that this game didn’t go on longer. Austin basically hard threw the game since the beginning. Mafia had a good half an hour to an hour before I began DP1 to ask the me the questions for the games. It was clear from the previous game that claiming your game was going to be SOP. Mafia for some reason did not utilize this early on. Still, there were reasonable fake claims to use in 13RW like Visitor, Bleeder, Virgin, even Messenger. You could’ve even gone with Miller, but it had to be early on. Austin messed up with the Miller claim, and town rightfully punished him for it. SOP is SOP, period. You can’t go in the middle of the DP and yolo Miller.

GGs. Yeah my argument for Austin is that he doesn’t make mistakes like that as scum, obviously was wrong on that. Guess he is a human being too. It just seemed wierd for Austin to make a mistake like that as a scum because he has a track record of dominating as scum, so that’s why I didn’t buy that he was scum 

Why is everyone town reading earth so hard again? I know I missed a few pages 

See, it's statements like this that keep setting me off. You've acknowledged now several times that it was a bad move to make as town. You've also said there is no way you would make this move as scum because it's obviously bad. Ignoring the fact that I've given a set of reasons for why you might make this move as scum out of desperation, which I think are plausible, it nonetheless is strange that you're treating the anti-town nature of this choice as more town-leaning than scum-leaning. I think you would acknowledge that this was a bad decision either way. If you're town, it draws attention to you and runs counter to your stated strategy. If you're scum, it draws attention to you. The fact that you keep pointing out that it doesn't make sense as scum doesn't change the fact that it's a bad strategy either way.

lol sorry Austin I don’t think I have enough pull to save you here. I’m trying my best bro. If you do survive I can save your butt tomorrow from being lynched. I can’t post as extensively on my phone as I would like to. But I see you are town, so this sucks lol

From my POV, you dropped some miller hints early so you could back up a miller claim if that was possible, or you could let everyone forget about that if some else claims something that makes miller not an option.

Not a ton, but no one else has done more than that, so sorry, but in my eyes at least, you are the most scummy, especially when the alternative is just Earth.

Alright, I’ve made my decision. As tempting as it was to let you guys all keep vying for my vote, I had to choose eventually. From what I see, Earth is just an inactive PoE choice, and Austin has been really trying to dig up as much as they can on him. 

Why don't you think that moozer is just opportunistic scum, who was scared to be on a towny lynch so he waited until the last minute to vote you?

It's a fair question though. If you're town, why haven't our other top scum reads voted for you earlier?

You had me and savant as scum and I know I am town and am fairly certain savant is, so I don't think you can be that good at scum hunting

Alright, I’ve made my decision. As tempting as it was to let you guys all keep vying for my vote, I had to choose eventually. From what I see, Earth is just an inactive PoE choice, and Austin has been really trying to dig up as much as they can on him. 

I don’t really want to lynch based on just PoE and inactivity, so I guess I’ll got for Austin. 

You can still maybe change my mind though.

VTL Austin

I gave that at length already, but I'll do it again. If I believed I'd be a likely mislynch the next DP, I'd double down on my efforts to get NK'd, particularly with a claimed Cop on the board who is likely to be protected during the night. Softclaiming a confirmable PR would have been a better move since you could have drawn the NK. Now you can't, and I think you know well enough that just straight claiming Miller at this point was bound to get you lynched this DP or next, but if you're town and didn't think that, then discarding your effort to distract the NK still makes you virtually worthless to town while significantly moving you up the sus list at a point where everyone else is still split on their choices for a lynch. Not a great play.

If moozer or joebob was scum and Austin was genuinely innocent than he would be at L1 today and I can't imagine that they are both town players. -WYLTED

See, that’s what makes me think he just has something more important to do. Maybe he’s trying some weird new strategy, but I don’t think so.

I think he means you're more likely to be scum, but Earth will help us narrow down POE even if he's town. But POE is always shifting, so I think it's better to go for scum every time.

There’s just generally a whole lot of WIFOM responses I’m getting from Austin. I agree, this was a silly move if Austin was scum. It’s a silly move if Austin is town. It’s silly all around because it was obviously anti-town and defensive. No matter what he flips, the choice to claim this role this late reeks of desperation.

If he’s a desperate townie, then he misplayed his role very badly and is getting scumread for something he could have at least partially salvaged by staying mum about his role or softclaiming. 

If he’s desperate scum expecting to be copped, then this is a last ditch effort. A mistaken one (there was always the chance that Savant would have copped someone else or been interfered with), but it is nonetheless an effort to shake both the cop and the lynch.

I sincerely don’t get how Luna so solidly believes that Austin must be town beyond just saying he expected more from Austin if he was scum. Difference between Austin’s previous games and this one: he didn’t have a claimed Cop with clear intentions to target him during NP1. Maybe there’s more to it than that. Maybe Austin would never do this as scum even under pressure. I just don’t buy it.

I’ll wait a bit before locking in my vote, but at this rate, Austin’s either going to be the lynch this DP or next, and I’d rather get rid of him and put the focus elsewhere next DP, whether he’s town or scum.

Okay, so Austin is the riskier lynch, and Earth is the safer PoE plus some option. I know it sounds ambitious, but I kinda want to lynch scum this DP, so I’m leaning Austin a little.

No one thinks I'm scum, so focusing on my behavior is just a waste of time. Maybe I'm a huge hypocrite and a bully, but pointing that out even if it's true doesn't help us win the game.

For a 20 minute long DP in live mafia, maybe, but we’re talking about a three day long DP and, specifically, the Miller here. It didn’t work, dude. Whether you knew it was going to fly or not, it’s obviously scummy.

So clearly anti-town behavior, that you actively acknowledge is anti-town, is less important than lurking. I disagree, though this argument seems to be more about what makes the game more interesting and less about why we should scumread said lurkers. Not really a reason to shift targets so much as frustration with activity. Also, who started this wagon again? Was it scum? Pretty sure it was Savant, the claimed Cop.

I don’t think you need me to explain that. Claiming SOP would have made this look far less defensive. I’m almost certainly not alone in thinking that lynching claimed SOP roles is not my default. When it becomes defensive because someone thinks they’re going to be the target of the Cop, especially when that same person says their decision came from trying to bide the NK, that’s a different story. Whether you were tunneled or not, as town, at the very least, you could have made yourself a potential target for scum. You took that away the moment you claimed Miller and made yourself the obvious lynch target by being defensive and sussing people on your wagon who are there for obvious reasons. So yes, it matters, whether you acknowledge it or not.

His posts come across like he 100% knows whiteflame is town. 

But if you were scum and it turns out there is no investigative role, then you can shrug the breadcrumbs off as nothing. It seems like a pretty good no risk scum move.

Whiteflame is almost certainly voting him so you just have to persuade 1 more and there is a reason this lynch is one we have to fight for