Barney

• Speedrace as a dreamer, his character does spirit magic. Ok.
  
• Pie as a vig, his character fights alone. The justification sounds lifted so straight from the wiki I distrust it.
  
• Ragnar as a ???, without any justification given. Fucking scum, ??? isn't even a role in mafia!
  
• Water as a redirector, I can't remember the justification, but the character has massive distracting breasts as a key characteristic. Ok.
  
• User as vanilla, due to the character liking ice cream and choosing love... I don't buy this at all. Even more so when the character is apparently known for stealth.
  

Ragnar is typically much more active as scum, and That1 claimed, hence my vote on drafter

Good morning everyone! I would like to think I was put in jail but was probs just role blocked. Catching up now. 

1. Even you admit your role justification is shit. Honestly, it lines up better with third party than vig.
   
2. Victims of redirect do not usually get told outright. Similarly, nothing about that bus driver description implies they would be given a redirect notification... Just imagine if a cop investigated you, and were told: 'Not guilty, but your investigation was redirected.' I would even dare to say, telling everyone any time it happens, would defeat much of the purpose of that role.
   
3. With multiple NKs last night (three unless I'm mistaken?), you insist "it had to be Croc and Speed." Which to me reads like a rehearsed story you decided upon. Further, if it had to be a "bus driver" but your PM said "redirected" why would you assume a bus driver specifically?
   

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Bad timing for the start of a day. I literally have to stuff a hot dog down my piehole, take the dog out, and head to work... Substitute "Speedrace" in for that, and it gets really weird.

Sucks that we lost pie, given his abilities (honestly, I kind of thought Speed would turn out to have such powers given how all purpose dogs are). It does lend credence to the idea that scum has a role cop, given that he was forever sus as a miller.

Ragnar tries a bit harder when he is scum.

Woof woof

Can the inactives pop in please

So, who placed those attributed at God's door?

The design was never intended to be perfect as first produced. Perfection is a process of continuous improvement, not perfectin at the outset.

I’ve seen enough miracles which are better explained by God than random chance and predetermination.

Granted, this is why I believe, not a declaration that others must believe.

Well that's interesting. How do you determine what constitutes a miracle?

Pre-existing conditions, including mostly poor consumption choices of parents are causing too many birth defects to ignore, specifically because they are preventable causes 

I really am not familiar with Unintelligent design. It sounds like it accepts evolution. If UD accepts evolution, then I don't see any problem with it, however if UD denies evolution, then this is problematic for UD.

as for Intelligent design, since it denies evolution, it is very unlikely to be true.

therefore various flaws like cancer, birth defects, etc.

Are such things really just a matter of random chance? The CDC says the 60% of cancer and diabetes cases could be prevented in the first place, and 80% of heart disease as well. Prevention by our choice of applying the notion of Genesis 2: 16, 17, wherein we are told that Adam could eat of every tree in the Garden, but that the choice to eat of the tree of knowledge would have a dire consequence; the only choice among all the fruit that had such a consequence. Add further Doctrine & Covenants 89: 1-21; a suggestion of healthy eating from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Compare these scriptures  to CDC's warning that prevention of the maladies noted could actually be prevented, just by making proper consumption choices. Smoking, drinking, drugs, fast food, prepared, manufactured food. All the food that is in the middle of virtually every grocery store. Their layouts are identical. All the fresh food, the food most full of nutrients, is around the outside rim. Al the processed foods are in the middle. Choose to eat from just the outside rim, and ignore the middle. Our choice. Who but us chooses to stuff what down the pie hole? Who knew that grocery stores could be as insidious as the tree of knowledge only because it is a matter of personal choice? I personally grow about 30% of the food I eat. A matter of choice.

Wait what happened?

MgtowDemon has been permanently banned for a body of work spewing hate speech and general toxicity.

This post was the mitigating factor in our decision. 

With the extreme racism shown by the original poster (such as claiming that enslaving a black person is little different than owning a dog), I am done attempting to interact here.

I suggests others learn from my mistake and likewise ignore the varelse.

I'm not sure I fully understand your question so forgive me. But intelligent design is the same as creationism insofar as they posit a superfluous designer (creator), to otherwise working models of reality. ID, in order to be considered at all, must show that there is a designer and that the designer is intelligent, both of which are impossible. 

This is precisely the hyperbolic nonsense that inspired me to write this thread.

The fact is that slaves were treated better in the United States than anywhere else in the world,

The American slaves would have been slaves had they stayed in Africa,

It's incredibly irresponsible to rattle off a source-less opinion piece that is so damning of something you've failed to demonstrate knowledge of. 

I'd never condone slavery and it shouldn't exist in our civilised societies,

but that doesn't mean Africans were barbarically treated in the United States en masse.