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@Theweakeredge
We've wanted that for a long time. I don't think it will happen mechanically, but in the draft I'll add a note suggesting people DM a moderator with details on why they made a report.
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@Jasmine
Sorry for the confusion. Your account also needs to be at least three days old.
Related thing, this month I am going to try to have a referendum for voting policy updates. Any suggested changes?
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@Wagyu
No.
Aside from various semantic issues...
Presuming I firmly 100% believe it to be God, and not a trickster, indeed the father of Jesus, etc. still no.
Like in Kingsmen when Eggsy wasn’t loyal enough to kill his dog, I likewise would not. I am not Abraham. Abraham was special in his devotion.
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Date: 01/03/2020
Moderator: Ragnar
Stephen has been banned for 28 days for violation of a restraining order.
To be clear, calling out to someone you have a restraining order with to bait them into violating it, is in itself a violation.
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@ethang5
@Stephen
@Tradesecret
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Regarding the suggestion that Tradesecret and ethang5 are the same user, investigation already turned up negative results on this.
While it will always be possible two users are one, and are taking measures to evade detection, on any individual case it is highly unlikely. In this particular case, it is more unlikely due to no slip-ups in such measures for over two years. And frankly, putting that much time to maintain two such active identities would be scary.
The commonality between the users in question seems to primarily rest of favorite forum, and some shared phrasing. To use an analogy, not everyone who calls Trump an "orange menace" is the same person, even if they copy each other in utilizing that reference.
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That said, making these allegations so public, seems to be a clear attempt to bait Ethang into violating a restraining order.
THAT WILL BE YOU ETHANG5!...Just admit it ETHANG5. You don`t know, do you.
This is itself a violation of the restraining order, so the RO is being converted into a ban on Stephen (a new one may be put in place upon his return).
-Ragnar, DM
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@zedvictor4
If something actually happened, then it wasn't a miracle.
That assertion fails the falsifiability test.
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@Wagyu
I’ve seen enough miracles which are better explained by God than random chance and predetermination.Granted, this is why I believe, not a declaration that others must believe.The argument from personal experience isn't very strong (or at least I believe). First off, how would you explain Muslims experiencing the Allah, or Ancient Egyptians sighting Osiris?
That is their job to explain, not mine. I am comfortable enough in my own faith, that I do not need to rip apart the faith of others... At least when it's not used to excuse negative actions.
Second off, what constitutes a "miracle".
...To pin these improbable things on supernatural causes is to ignore the statistical probability of these miracles happening to some person at some point in time. After all, we don't report on every non-miracle thing which occurs in the world, it's only the "amazing" things which people are interested in.
I don't claim that every odd pattern in toast must be the FSM or any other deity altering it, however, I suppose I've met too many narcissists, so I would rather be externally grateful to what may actually just be luck. My faith is not dogmatic, and again, not a declaration that anyone else must believe the same way as me.
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I work full time, and have had mandatory overtime recently.
If in doubt, the Etiquette Expectations is a good guide to avoid (or at least minimize) problems.
That said, so long as two people are consenting to talk to each other (and not making extreme CoC violations), I hope you all have fun. If someone asks to be left alone, please at least tone it down. And having done the lightest of skimmings to the above, yeah Jesus could get banned for threatening violence; on this medium, that would be crossing too far beyond the line of acceptable behavior.
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Looks like a really good setup, but I am not active enough with work.
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@Lunatic
I had really good evidence against him. However, I did not verify it until about 20 minutes before the day phase ended.
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I feel good that I was right about two out of three in my scum pile... however, had things continued I would have been pushing a lynch on pie.
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I’m always available as a replacement, but can’t guarantee proper time commitment as a primary.
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@warren42
That assumes Chris is both scum, and telling the truth about that power.
I need to drink more wine to play this properly.
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If Danielle is believed, mafia has a roleblocker. Of course they have not identified themselves. The following list is compiled of what people claim.
↓NP↓ Role Claim
- Skipped (Seld was in control)
- Drafter
- MisterChris (visited someone...)
- ILikePie (did not visit anyone...)
- N/A
- N/A
- iLikePie -> Croc
- Waive
- Warren42 ... "Action failed."
- iLikePie ... Not roll blocked
warren42 Vanilla Uraraka from My Hero Academia (replacing crystalynx)
- N/A
- N/A
MisterChris JOAT Chika from Love is War
- Speedrace (Oracle)
- Waived ... Remaining powers: x1 Bulletproof, x1 Vote Thief
- Speed (redirected to Croc)
- N/A (probably a x1 vig/killer, or an odd night vig/killer)
--- GRAVEYARD ---
- N/A ... Night Killed by Pie
Lunatic Vanilla Chizuru from Rent A Girlfriend
- N/A ... Night Killed
- N/A ... Mod killed DP1
That1user Vanilla Rias Gremory from High School DxD
- N/A ... Lynched DP2
- whiteflame (innocent) ... Sleep not disturbed by MisterChris visiting.
- ??? ... Night killed
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A couple bits of doubt which I do not think have not been discussed...
Dani as a siren, it feels like I am the only person who noticed that is a third party roll. Not a big thing, I don't think third party necessarily needs to be killed. I do of course question why she cares so much about town winning.
Pie talking to Supa privately about how other people's roles work, and Supa apparently giving him direct answers about other people's roles... There's a few obvious problems with this... Ironically, I just PMed Supa to ask if he'll tell me details about the roll mechanics of others as Pie has stated he will; in case this goes anywhere, others may wish to do likewise to verify the results (if he does, I'm pretty much instantly exonerated as a motivator... if he does not, then Pie is caught in a pretty big lie).
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@whiteflame
I think it's more likely that Supa wrote it than that a scum team designed a justification that puts down their own character.
We have indeed had some flawed justifications. That said, Supa seems to be a fan of each Waifus, such that when I mistakingly said one was not hot as the others, he jokingly threatened to mod kill me. How likely do you think he is to include one in the game just to insult her and outright call her one dimensional? Even if he actually dislikes her, why would he not pick a Waifus he does like instead?
Doing a Google search, here's the description that pops up for her:
Ochaco, also known as Uravity, is a student in Class 1-A at U.A. High School, training to become a Pro Hero. She is one of the protagonists of My Hero Academia. ... Ochaco has been described by other students as "the most laidback girl" among her class, being very bubbly and kind of an airhead at times.
So it seems the fan community generally doesn't call her one dimensional and greedy. Plus I would really expect Supa to go for Mina Ashido if selecting one from that show.
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@drafterman
Guys. This is all a farce. The DP ended last monthWith 8 players, it takes 5 to lynchYou have until 11/19/20 at 11:30CST
HOLY SHITBALLS!
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@warren42
I'm Uraraka from My Hero Academia and I only care for money so I'm one dimensional as a character and vanilla
I watch that show. That really does not align with the character. Her only particular care for money, is to support her parents, not just being some gold digger. I doubt Supa would read her anywhere near how you've described. I would VTL, but with my vote already on you, it'll just stay there.
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@Danielle
To be honest I'm not feeling okay lol
I feel like a complete jerk. I forgot about your injury...
What I don't understand is why you'd town read drafter based on refusing to claim
I did not actually town read him. I rolled the dice. I do however town read him now, since Supa is the only person who would have known how Supa would modify the roles. If Drafter had a scum role, he wouldn't have known to claim ignorance.
What are your reads?
I've got three pages to catch up on, and a medical appointment (nothing bad) this afternoon I need to get ready for.
I of course town read myself. I don't think scum would be this sloppy, and would have had one or two more people (probably people with time during the week) to fact check before making an important play.
I townread whiteflame, due to Speed vouching for him. While scum could also have tracker, I've seen them called "scouts" instead when scum, so that gives favorable odds that "tracker" is town aligned.
I townread Drafter, [see my second paragraph above].
I townroad Ilikepie, as the vigilante fits with what we've seen regarding the extra kill. Your claim of third party, adds further credibility to it, as I seriously doubt there would be two third party killers.
I townread Water. His story aligns with what we know, but Mafia would have no reason to lie about that story. On the other hand, with me as a motivator, that would potentially give mafia way too much power as they could redirect my action to one of them if they have that role.
Warren42... I see that he's posted, but three pages, I'll get caught up later.
Danielle and Chris are in my scum pile. The apparently independent targeting of me for my work schedule, is suspect (even more so with catching MisterChris lying about what he wrote). And of course you caring if town wins, does not align to your win conditions (I'd need to read DP1 to see if you tried to trick anyone into targeting you at night... it's more than I care to do); even by outing yourself as a third party siren you are effectively claiming to be conceding the game. Which yes, if you're scum instead of third party, it calls Pie's towniness into question, as he could then still be a third party, who is merely waiving kills to blend in.
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@drafterman
Optimum plays usually differ a little from actual.
With hindsight, had I known my role doesn't give a notification, I would have selected better.
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Anyone remember if Speed stated his role was modified to still work when visited? Pretty easy for someone to say they visited him after he died.
Sadly with him dead, we can't just have him ask Supa.
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@Danielle
And more importantly why didn't you ask him to clarify AFTER drafter said he didn't get a message?
Are you feeling ok? You're asking me why I didn't do something I already told you I did (#121). It's like that scene in Supertroopers of cops demanding a car pull over after it already pulled over. I could similarly ask you why you didn't post in DP3 when you're already here making posts...
If you look back at #73 from Drafter, he confirmed he did not get the expected message... But before that in #70 I said I'd ask Supa. Now if 70 > 73, the order of events are as you describe them, otherwise I again need to ask if you're feeling ok?
You didn't answer why you thought drafterman was the biggest suspect after last DP
Your wording is a little weird... So if you glance back to DP2, there was pressure on Drafter, people saying they were willing to lynch him and such. While I don't think he was particularly suspect, aside from myself for leading the lynch on User, Drafter was prime mislynch potential, thus less likely to be killed in the night. Anyone who outed having a role was likely to be killed in the night. I also answer him directly in #123.
And again I don't believe your excuse about not targeting Speed "in case he was visited" because we already know he was visited on NP1
Remind me when did MisterChris say that he is the JOAT and visited speed? Pretty sure that was DP3. My last update to the dashboard from DP2 doesn't have it (#324). It is however true that when rushed to submit an action after work and leave the motivated person with time to submit a second action, I did not do a perfectly thoughtful review of every post to determine how roles might be modified away from their standard form.
On that note, who else visited Speed NP1? Since you're accidently indicating he had successfully been visited and you had knowledge of it before today.
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@warren42
Here's a dashboard of the current claims, to help you get caught up...
↓NP↓ Role Claim
---TOWN---
- Skipped (Seld was in control)
- Drafter
- MisterChris (visited someone...)
- ILikePie (did not visit anyone...)
- Speed
- N/A (probably a x1 vig)
---NEUTRAL---
- N/A
- N/A
- iLikePie -> Croc
- ???
---SUS---
MisterChris JOAT Chika from Love is War
- Speedrace (Oracle)
- N/A ... Remaining powers: x1 Bulletproof, x1 Vote Thief
- ??? ... "Action failed."
- ??? ... Not roll blocked
warren42 ??? ??? (replacing crystalynx)
- ???
- ???
--- GRAVEYARD ---
- N/A ... Night Killed
Lunatic Vanilla Chizuru from Rent A Girlfriend
- N/A ... Night Killed
- N/A ... Mod killed DP1
That1user Vanilla Rias Gremory from High School DxD
- N/A ... Lynched DP2
- whiteflame (innocent)
- N/A ... Night killed
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@MisterChris
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@Danielle
FYI, I'm pretty sure I warned people first thing about me working graveyards. That I shared that I expected Drafter to have information from me first thing when I got out of bed, is only sus if you think I'm amazing like Kim Jun Un requiring no sleep and lacking a butthole.
MisterChris also tried to get traction against me for my work schedule. His failed because I was entering my weekend, so was online to be able to disassemble it rather than letting it fester.
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@ILikePie5
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@drafterman
See post #66
I had no clue what your role was. In other games I've seen people get cocky and declare they won't be lynched without justification, and without it lining up to any role later. I never joined the wagon to lynch you for that misbehavior. However, with the pressure on you yesterday, again, I believed you would not be NKked and thus alive to verify the message.
There was of course a risk of you being scum. I however was pretty sure I was not on your radar, thus if scum got up to more trouble in the night than usual, I would have then been able to out you.
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@Danielle
I've been waiting for two MIA's, rather than flooding the day with off topic posts to make it harder for you to catch up.
Just checked messages (I literally just got up). So word back from Supa is indeed people are not notified. I had no way to know this ahead of time. Before confirming the action I had even mentioned to Supa the risk of Drafter being unable to utilize the gift due to being vanilla, but no mention that he would not receive the normal message was made.
As for not doing an elaborate character justification: if you're following the game, they have been kind of bad. I'm apparently a motivator because I helped Kirito and other trapped players... It drifts weirdly into details of various immunities she has due to her personal emotional strength as if it's building toward a different role, before declaring motivator.
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@warren42
Looking to the inactives... Left alone, town will eat itself without scum even needing to get involved.
Danielle was online 12 hours ago...
Warren was online 6 hours ago... Still no check-in.
VTL WARREN
Vote Count
Ragnar [1/6] WaterPhoenix
Chris [1/6] iLikePie5
Warren [1/6] Ragnar
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↓NP↓ Role Claim
---TOWN---
- Skipped (Seld was in control)
- Drafter
- MisterChris (visited someone...)
- ILikePie (did not visit anyone...)
- Speed
- N/A (probably a x1 vig)
---NEUTRAL---
- N/A
- N/A
- iLikePie -> Croc
- ???
---SUS---
MisterChris JOAT Chika from Love is War
- Speedrace (Oracle)
- N/A ... Remaining powers: x1 Bulletproof, x1 Vote Thief
Danielle ??? ???
- ??? ... "Action failed."
- ???
warren42 ??? ??? (replacing crystalynx)
- ???
- ???
--- GRAVEYARD ---
- N/A ... Night Killed
Lunatic Vanilla Chizuru from Rent A Girlfriend
- N/A ... Night Killed
- N/A ... Mod killed DP1
That1user Vanilla Rias Gremory from High School DxD
- N/A ... Lynched DP2
- whiteflame (innocent)
- N/A ... Night killed
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@Checkmate
Key ones:
- Taught myself literacy.
- Saved some lives in Iraq.
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@whiteflame
How can you be good, when your character is the least hot? 🤣
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@ILikePie5
Just asked. I'll let you know what he says.
Do bare in mind, I am a replacement, and was very busy during my work week.
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@ILikePie5
He did not say either way. My understanding of the role is that the default is people are notified.
And yes, I know it was risky giving Drafter an extra action without knowing his role. I selected him largely because he was the most easy mislynch based on the pressure on him yesterday, so was unlikely to be night killed.
I of course could not motivate our dreamer, since they lose their dreaming if visited by anyone.
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@ILikePie5
I hate focusing on out of game time analysis, but he was last online an hour ago. So definitely nothing sus about him not responding yet.
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@ILikePie5
No guarantee he's online right now.
Anyway, see #60. I'm a motivator.
He should have received the result that he is motivated. The lack of an extra action to use, doesn't change the fact that he is motivated and can do twice as much of nothing.
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I am susing MisterChris largely for the finger waving at me in #58.
Apparently me sharing that Drafterman has results from me, is not addressing anything at all, and I apparently disappeared after that (even while there should still be a green online thing my my name)... Which had this not been my weekend, I would have had disappear to since I work graveyards (6pm-5:30am), which he knows... So he seemed to be building a mislynch case based on the expected delay in any response from me.
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↓NP↓ Role Claim
---TOWN---
- Skipped (Seld was in control)
- Drafter
- MisterChris (visited someone...)
- ILikePie (did not visit anyone...)
- Speed
- N/A (probably a x1 vig)
---NEUTRAL---
Danielle ??? ???
- ??? ... "Action failed."
- ???
warren42 ??? ??? (replacing crystalynx)
- ???
- ???
drafterman Beloved Princess Elizabeth Liones from Seven Deadly Sins (replacing Corey)
- N/A
- N/A
- iLikePie -> Croc
- ???
---SUS---
MisterChris JOAT Chika from Love is War
- Speedrace (Oracle)
- N/A ... Remaining powers: x1 Bulletproof, x1 Vote Thief
--- GRAVEYARD ---
- N/A ... Night Killed
Lunatic Vanilla Chizuru from Rent A Girlfriend
- N/A ... Night Killed
- N/A ... Mod killed DP1
That1user Vanilla Rias Gremory from High School DxD
- N/A ... Lynched DP2
- whiteflame (innocent)
- N/A ... Night killed
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@ILikePie5
That is very true, he apparently does not. Yet, he should still have one result to share all the same.
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@drafterman
Please share the results you got last night.
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In case I get NKed, I endorse the notion that if user flips scum, Chris is likely scum as well.
Glancing up on this page, the reference to Chris telling her to specifically reveal that she is the bride, reads like a scum chat reference.
Glancing up on this page, the reference to Chris telling her to specifically reveal that she is the bride, reads like a scum chat reference.
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Got to say it... revealing your character does not mean you must also reveal your role.
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I just skipped a few pages, since things looked locked into the pleading cycle...
Part of the thing for me is that I consider outing yourself as vanilla to be an anti town move. Changing the claim due to a worst case scenario you’re telling the truth and we’re only risking losing a vanilla, doesn’t help matters.
That said, any townie should be against being lynched. As they know exactly one townie (themself) who is assured to not be scum. Similarly, I think vigilantes should always shoot, even if nearly at random, since they have preferable odds of hitting a scum than lynching yields.
I’ve seen panic working well and working badly for scum and town alike. I’ll never forget my first game l, when on a scum team with Supra he was caught dead to rights, the the panic pleading cycle, night killed his accuser, and then somehow did not get lynched the next day...
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Feels like a scum gambit with advice from another player.
Sleep time for me.
Sleep time for me.
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@That1User
For me to be bloodthirsty scum jumping for any mislynch opportunity, I would have to be on the same team with every other potential target to have not gone after them... As I’m the first voter on you, that pool effectively expands to everyone who has done anything at all this game.
More likely, I just find your claim to be dubious. With no better leads, it’s the best.
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I unvoted off of Pie way back when... then when he used the R word, I never bothered Sup to correct the vote tally.
I opened the vote on User after a character claim/role claim I did not buy, and have stuck with it. My thoughts on it were my own, it just took a bit to articulate and update the dashboard.
Saying me voting to lynch (after refusing against how many others) makes me scum, is logic that doesn’t work IMO. I could of course unvote to try to blend in as town, but that would be quite comical and highly sus.
If I ever need to take attention off myself, I’ll just claim that I saw Drafter vent! 🤣
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@whiteflame
Wow... Just wow...
And I thought DC's ultimate villain The Mighty Endowed was bad... At least she was that way as a joke.
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