"Whoever the smartest person in the world is can consent to sex; easily. And the smartest person in the world is an adult."
The smartest person can dictate who can consent and who cant. Do you agree with this?
"I wouldn't consider an urge to be necessarily a pain"
Well, thats what it is. Thats why its called an urge. Because it hurts when you dont do it. And sexual urges are some of the strongest urges. The nature wants you to reproduce, so it gives you pain to motivate you.
"Claiming you are smart doesn't make you smart. A 5 year old can say they are the smartest person to ever live, but if they can't do my calculus HW, they aren't smart; they are cocky and naive."
Well, what makes person smart is irrelevant.
If you can determine intelligence, there is the smartest person who can then dictate everything.
If you cant determine intelligence, then intelligence as a standard for consent is meaningless.
Further, if intelligence is a standard for making consent valid, then the smartest person on Earth can just say: "I am smarter than everyone else. Only my consent is valid.", and you would not be able to object because intelligence would be a standard for consent.
I think that intelligence level cannot be a standard, because it would follow that the intelligence point you would set would be arbitrary point no better or worse than any other point.
As long as the standard is arbitrary, its no different or better than any other standard.
I do agree that we need a standard, but the standard needs to be something more than an arbitrary point if you want for it to be more justified than some other standard.
I would say that taking a standard of survival of society and personal survival is more worthy than an arbitrary standard.
Taking the standard of reducing pain is also a standard that is more than arbitrary.
Reality is that pain and survival are important, more important than any other standard.
In fact, person in great pain would wish to remove pain at any cost.
That is something more than arbitrary.
The idea of consent laws seems pointless since ability to consent cannot be exactly meassured. Plus, it also seems that someone else is dictating if person can consent, which defeats the entire point of autonomy. Autonomy that can be taken away by someone else is not an autonomy at all.
If we say that children cant consent, then that just means other people get to dictate children's lives. Parents often take the role of commanding children's lives. That is already a bad standard, since children need autonomy to better learn how to make important decisions as adults.
Further, if lack of consent makes action wrong, then it makes wrong even those actions that are beneficial. So if children cant consent, then all actions done to children are wrong.
If you say that if action is beneficial, then it doesnt require consent, then people can force adults to do things which benefit those adults, even if adults dont want it.
Pregnancy is beneficial for society, but it doesnt follow that someone can force others to get pregnant.
"I disagree because you can require a certain level of intelligence the vast majority of 20-year-olds have that the vast majority of 13-year-olds do not."
But that would be entirely arbitrary point.
30 year olds have intelligence that 20 year olds dont have.
40 year olds have intelligence that 30 year olds and 20 year olds dont have.
Some 20 year olds have much more intelligence than other 20 year olds.
Even if you had a way to accuratelly meassure intelligence and set a certain point of intelligence where person gets to decide, that point would be just an arbitrary point set by you.
Also, since decision making comes with reasoning about higher intelligence, it would follow that if someone is smarter than a 20 year old, he gets to dictate 20 year old's life.
Because just as you set an arbitrary point of intelligence which allows you to make decisions for someone else, anyone else can set their own point that works the same way.
Anyone can just say: "I am smarter and this person now has to do everything I say that will benefit him because he is not at my point of intelligence.".
Well, yeah, but then there is a different problem.
If action with lack of consent is okay if there is some benefit to the person, then you can force adults to do anything as long as it benefits them in some way. You can force adults to eat vegetables even if they dont want to.
I am racist towards my own race. I hate being white. I hate being the same race as Hitler and Trump. On the bright side, I am pale white while they are darker white.
Well, the morality does deal with what should be done. Personally, I dont believe in morality. I believe in selfishness. I believe that a man must do everything to gain pleasure, even if everyone else dies. Of course, when it comes to debates, you might wanna learn about all those different standards of morality.
I agree. Assault weapons are bad. You can shoot someone in the eye and then the person would lose an eye. This is why assault weapons need to be banned. A ban on assault weapons will make sure that no one loses an eye anymore.
If I wanted a challenge, I wouldnt be on this site. I am just here to argue with idiots because its funny to argue with idiots. Idiots are what makes my life fun.
"It would be the people in power that decide who is smart enough to give consent and who isn't"
The smartest person in the world knows better than them, so it would be wrong to let them decide instead of the smartest person.
"I've heard that watching porn is very different from having sex"
30% of children in USA who are younger than 16 had sex.
"It's probably not a good idea to let an average 10 year old indulge in addictive pleasures."
Its not possible to stop certain things. 50% of 13 year olds in USA watch porn.
"It depends on if the world's smartest person has political power."
Since the smartest person would be most capable of determining ability to consent, it follows that smartest person gets to decide.
Now you guys just have to fight over who is the smartest and how is intelligence meassured.
"Whoever the smartest person in the world is can consent to sex; easily. And the smartest person in the world is an adult."
The smartest person can dictate who can consent and who cant. Do you agree with this?
"I wouldn't consider an urge to be necessarily a pain"
Well, thats what it is. Thats why its called an urge. Because it hurts when you dont do it. And sexual urges are some of the strongest urges. The nature wants you to reproduce, so it gives you pain to motivate you.
"I can see that, but it's not like any children are in pain from being virgins."
Well, children can have sexual urges, and sexual urges are a form of pain.
"Claiming you are smart doesn't make you smart. A 5 year old can say they are the smartest person to ever live, but if they can't do my calculus HW, they aren't smart; they are cocky and naive."
Well, what makes person smart is irrelevant.
If you can determine intelligence, there is the smartest person who can then dictate everything.
If you cant determine intelligence, then intelligence as a standard for consent is meaningless.
Further, if intelligence is a standard for making consent valid, then the smartest person on Earth can just say: "I am smarter than everyone else. Only my consent is valid.", and you would not be able to object because intelligence would be a standard for consent.
I think that intelligence level cannot be a standard, because it would follow that the intelligence point you would set would be arbitrary point no better or worse than any other point.
As long as the standard is arbitrary, its no different or better than any other standard.
I do agree that we need a standard, but the standard needs to be something more than an arbitrary point if you want for it to be more justified than some other standard.
I would say that taking a standard of survival of society and personal survival is more worthy than an arbitrary standard.
Taking the standard of reducing pain is also a standard that is more than arbitrary.
Reality is that pain and survival are important, more important than any other standard.
In fact, person in great pain would wish to remove pain at any cost.
That is something more than arbitrary.
The idea of consent laws seems pointless since ability to consent cannot be exactly meassured. Plus, it also seems that someone else is dictating if person can consent, which defeats the entire point of autonomy. Autonomy that can be taken away by someone else is not an autonomy at all.
If we say that children cant consent, then that just means other people get to dictate children's lives. Parents often take the role of commanding children's lives. That is already a bad standard, since children need autonomy to better learn how to make important decisions as adults.
Further, if lack of consent makes action wrong, then it makes wrong even those actions that are beneficial. So if children cant consent, then all actions done to children are wrong.
If you say that if action is beneficial, then it doesnt require consent, then people can force adults to do things which benefit those adults, even if adults dont want it.
Pregnancy is beneficial for society, but it doesnt follow that someone can force others to get pregnant.
"I disagree because you can require a certain level of intelligence the vast majority of 20-year-olds have that the vast majority of 13-year-olds do not."
But that would be entirely arbitrary point.
30 year olds have intelligence that 20 year olds dont have.
40 year olds have intelligence that 30 year olds and 20 year olds dont have.
Some 20 year olds have much more intelligence than other 20 year olds.
Even if you had a way to accuratelly meassure intelligence and set a certain point of intelligence where person gets to decide, that point would be just an arbitrary point set by you.
Also, since decision making comes with reasoning about higher intelligence, it would follow that if someone is smarter than a 20 year old, he gets to dictate 20 year old's life.
Because just as you set an arbitrary point of intelligence which allows you to make decisions for someone else, anyone else can set their own point that works the same way.
Anyone can just say: "I am smarter and this person now has to do everything I say that will benefit him because he is not at my point of intelligence.".
The main problem with "intelligence/mental maturity" argument is that if we followed it, age of consent would be 30 or more.
Well, yeah, but then there is a different problem.
If action with lack of consent is okay if there is some benefit to the person, then you can force adults to do anything as long as it benefits them in some way. You can force adults to eat vegetables even if they dont want to.
I dont really care about winning this debate. If the other person wont even show up, it seems pointless.
Well, I can make one or two arguments.
Fuwwy fowfeited.
I dont think you understand my arguments. Maybe if you read it again you will understand. Well, probably not.
Awe you a fuwwy?
OwO
Maybe.
Fine, I will post round right away.
Time for argument: 2 weeks
Lol classical mistake.
Enjoy waiting 2 weeks for me to respond.
I made other debate which you can accept, my unqualified friend.
Accept the debate, pussy.
I made unrated debate. Accept it.
Accept the debate pussy
I am racist towards my own race. I hate being white. I hate being the same race as Hitler and Trump. On the bright side, I am pale white while they are darker white.
Wait, there is a vote?
So they are not male nor female. They are both. 3rd gender!
They dont look male.
So what gender are femboys?
Why are you forfeiting rounds? Please dont forfeit any more rounds. I can still lose this.
Yes, its justified. Everything is justified when you are a friend of USA.
Well, the morality does deal with what should be done. Personally, I dont believe in morality. I believe in selfishness. I believe that a man must do everything to gain pleasure, even if everyone else dies. Of course, when it comes to debates, you might wanna learn about all those different standards of morality.
People cant be moral with religion 😈
I agree. Assault weapons are bad. You can shoot someone in the eye and then the person would lose an eye. This is why assault weapons need to be banned. A ban on assault weapons will make sure that no one loses an eye anymore.
See if anything needs changing.
I dont have free will.
Did I just start a war? 😮
Well, let me know when you can accept a rated debate.
You need to complete 3 standard debates. Then you can create or accept a rated debate.
Few days.
Or just wait for me to finish one of my debates. Then we can have same debate just rated.
Great. I just wish it was rated so I dont waste time for nothing.
If I wanted a challenge, I wouldnt be on this site. I am just here to argue with idiots because its funny to argue with idiots. Idiots are what makes my life fun.
Thats why I am a Communist!
I think we should take 90% of rich's wealth.
Mine is 3 inches 😁
I dont even understand what the topic is.
Oh well.
Well, are there any voters left on this site?
So that we can debate about if Earth is an globe.
A globe.
I would accept, but I dont know how it ends. Well, I dont even know how it begins.