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@Greyparrot
Putin and Biden are both politicians who want power.
Putin is ready to be more extreme, thats the difference.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
I think sex dolls dont cause any harm, but they might prevent harm.
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@zedvictor4
Masturbation is necessary.
I already managed to go about 2 months with no masturbation. I dont think its necessary. Person can live without it. I just, for some reason, choose not to.
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@oromagi
If you are anti-abortion
I am a bit undecided on the abortion issue, to be honest.
But I see your point with overpopulation. I dont plan to have kids, masturbation probably helped with that by making me less social.
Not that I think masturbation would actually solve overpopulation. It helps a little bit, not a lot.
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@Critical-Tim
Morality is meant to be a judgment of what is good and evil.
However, sometimes it places too large burden on people that they cannot fullfill, sometimes it results in something absurd.
The best moral standard is the one that has least absurdity tied to it.
Do you think a moral structure is not true moral if it is not continuously the determiner of what is good and evil?
I think true morality works in all situations, or at least in the greatest number of situations.
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@Double_R
It's not primitive, it's biological programming. The need to masturbate is really no different than the need to pee. And if you are male, your body is continually creating semen so if you don't get it out of you, your body will do so on its own (that's why we have wet dreams).
It is less shame to have wet dream. Also, biological programming does not mean that masturbation is not primitive.
This is entirely made up, whether by you or someone who fed this to you. Either way you are in complete control of this notion and any negative effects it has on your psyche.In a survey done some years ago 98% of all people said they masterbate. The other 2% lied about it. There is nothing wrong with it unless you convince yourself otherwise.
Popularity has nothing to do with if something is shame and dishonor. It is a fact that masturbation brings shame and dishonor. No one will respect you because you behave like a dog. Not even you will respect you. People can choose not to masturbate. Thats why its dishonor.
If you're masturbating that frequently it might suggest you have a much higher sex drive than most. This is beyond your control so feeling bad about it is misguided. Regardless, spending that time elsewhere would only result in your sexual thoughts consuming you more so than of you let it out.
First you say that masturbation is beyond my control, then you say that I would be able to control it but would have difficulties. It is less shame to have difficulties. I can stop masturbating, because I did stop before. The fact that I choose not to is dishonor.
That has little of anything to do with masterbation. You sound like you might benefit from therapy.
I was in therapy before for other things. It helped me realize that therapy doesnt work.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Yes, the stat is in the book, along with many other.
Most of adult-child relationships are never discovered.
You cannot exactly spot check these things. Their stories were consistent. Thats how much one can say.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Have you read "The Trauma Myth"?
It deals with adult-child relationships.
It presented many stories, and questioned many people.
90% of children, when they grow up, dont want for their partner to go to prison.
Thats what children in those relationships say.
So yes, the theory was proven true. Its just that media doesnt want to report it that way when horror stories sell much better.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
The problem is that children in most cases, when they grow up, dont want for their adult partners to go to prison.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
It has a pump on it whereas on the ummmm. 37 or 53 perhaps, pulsating suck , blades come out of it and it instantly chops ya dick into 3 bits
Well, that is a strange sex doll. I dont think it would sell well.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
It's more precise to say of those who would consent to sex of some kind very few would consent to sex with 'pervy old men
Actually, 10% of map are teenagers and children. MAP arent born as old men, even tho many believe that map can only be an old man. It is just a belief meant to further demonization.
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@secularmerlin
Well, they literally had no reaction to Jesus feeding 5000 people. They doubted him the whole time. He needed a diversity of miracles to convince them. They even doubted that he can feed people after he fed 5000 people.
But yes, they were amazed by the fig tree. Different evidence convinces different people.
"20 In the morning, as they went along, they saw the fig tree withered from the roots. 21 Peter remembered and said to Jesus, “Rabbi, look! The fig tree you cursed has withered!”
22 “Have faith in God,” Jesus answered."
22 “Have faith in God,” Jesus answered."
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@secularmerlin
I am saying that Jesus performed many miracles, and they still doubted him. So yes, it can be said that fig tree helped them believe. In fact, they were more surprised by that fig tree miracle than they were about Jesus feeding 5000 people.
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@secularmerlin
His followers actually doubted him a lot, despite miracles of creating food. They even rejected him when he was crucified, and didnt believe for some time that he rose from grave. Their belief was for the most part hanging in the balance.
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@secularmerlin
Didnt such action make his disciples more willing to follow him, and save many lives?
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@secularmerlin
In my view, I would lose respect for everyone who cant stop masturbating willingly. Thats how I lost respect for myself.
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@secularmerlin
There is no honor in being tortured for its own sake. Do get over yourself. You are not an angel or a demon you are just a human being. A perfectly normal primate and primates tend to masterbate. It's convenient because we have such clever grasping paws. Anyone that tells you different is trying to manipulate you.
Actually, there is honour in being tortured, sometimes. However, I know that I could stop masturbating if I wanted to. That would bring me to my full potential. The fact that I allow myself to be controlled by biology this much means I am nothing and biology is everything.
then I respect you just a little less and not because either of us masterbates
I already dont respect myself. Your lack of respect towards me is less painful than my lack of respect towards me.
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@secularmerlin
More harm than wellbeing?
Yes.
one single instance of an action
Lets start with that.
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@secularmerlin
It is silly to even make this distinction. It would be silky to try to resist using the bathroom. What makes it more shameful than breathing which also involves expelling waste by the way. Masterbating is as natural as breathing.
No. Masturbation is greater shame. There is no "what makes it more shameful", as me not knowing the reason doesnt negate that it is greater shame. Masturbation is not same as breathing. The mere fact that I cannot resist it is my fault, which adds to the shame. The fact that it controls me as with a remote control, the fact that it decides my thoughts, adds to the shame of the shameful act.
Let's say for the sake of argument that I masturbate whenever the mood takes me. I take my time and it becomes some relaxing me time. I enjoy it and I don't plan on giving the habit up. It is my private business and I keep it that way as much as I may. Now would you respect me less knowing this?
Yes.
Mark Twain said that "a man who doesn't read good books has no advantage over the man that can't". Do you want to beat this thing or not? Don't act all apologetic before you have used the tools research has shown most effective in our collective human toolbox.
Those are not tools, nor I believe in them, nor would I put myself to shame to use them and fail. And yes, I would fail if I used them.
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@rosends
are you changing the question you asked in the OP?
No. I am stating that those actions did more good than harm. Respecting Jewish law would do more harm than good.
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@secularmerlin
do you consider Jesus as the same being as the Jahweh as described in the old testiment?
No. Just The New Testament and what it says about Jesus.
Did Jesus do more harm than good?Or is it(Can you) Name One Wrong Thing That Jesus Did?
Usually, a wrong action is the one that causes more harm than good.
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@n8nrgim
other animals might not be smart enough to masturbate.
Lucky for them.
do you not care about what the bible says about masturbation?
Bible does mention that when seed comes out, person becomes unclean. So I am unclean all the time. Well, by The Old Testament at least.
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@secularmerlin
I don't think you need to feel ashamed that you "couldn't resist" what amounts to a pretty normal biological function. You may as well be ashamed because you couldn't resist breathing or using the rest room.
Breathing, not so bad. Using the rest room, well yes there is some shame there. Greater shame is in masturbation. Masturbation being "normal biological function" doesnt negate that there is great shame in masturbation. I am too weak to resist masturbation. Masturbation is dishonour.
As for honor that is highly subjective.
Honour means respect. First, me respecting myself.
I mean what if it was an event in the Olympics?
Wouldnt cause honour.
Let's say you find a therapist and they don't help at all... are you really any worse off? I am not qualified to give medical advice but you may find the right therapist is a big help.
Doesnt change that I dont believe in therapists.
Well maybe that is only because you are ashamed of it. What if you embraced it? Made it a group activity instead. Go online find other weirdos. Maybe have a nice video chat. Maybe it will actually help you make friends.
You cannot embrace shame and then feel no shame. Rather, it would just be adding more to shame.
Ok I feel like someone should have The Talk with you and I do not feel like the right person but you can just hold your horses. Light some candles, have a nice bath, make an occasion of it. Self abuse doesn't have to literally mean abuse
No, after masturbating for a few times a day, there is no occassion other than getting to orgasm as fast as possible.
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@rosends
I intentionally created the topic as it is to promote a discussion.
I could have set my own moral standard, but then the standards of other people would be ignored.
Yes, I understand that Jesus violated Jewish law, by today's standards too.
Yes, turning over someone's table isnt nice.
Still, he healed and saved lots of people, wouldnt you say?
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@secularmerlin
In terms of human welfare, for example.
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@secularmerlin
Well, lets say in your view.
Did Jesus do more harm than good?
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@n8nrgim
i think we're meant to be in a relationship. masturbation can feel empty at the end, but that's i would think only because it's not the fullness that God intended for us.
I noticed that many animals dont masturbate, even when they cant find a partner. Well, monkeys masturbate.
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@secularmerlin
You are not a dirty person just because you are subject to biology. You are doing exactly as you are programed to. If you believe in a programmer then they have far more reason to feel ashamed than you do.
That doesnt change the fact that there is no honour in masturbation and it is my fault for not resisting it. Even if you believe in programmer, it just means I am so weak that someone can program me to masturbate. Even more dishonour.
If it is growing into a compulsive behavior then you should talk to a sex therapist.
No. I dont believe in therapists.
Is masterbating what is effecting your relationships or is it being introverted and perhaps dealing with other symptoms like depression?
Masturbating too much actually encourages a person to be introvert.
There is little physical risk involved with normal masterbating. Go slow, use lotion, be good to yourself.
You cant go slow when you need orgasm as fast as possible.
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@FLRW
evidence suggesting that self-pleasure can help reduce depression
I would say that thats false. I dont see that in my own example. Plus, many people online I met told me that they feel better when not masturbating for a long time.
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@secularmerlin
I am asking according to moral standard of people here. What did, in your view, Jesus do which was morally wrong?
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@SkepticalOne
Your'e being disengenous. I'm pointing out how Jesus did not meet the contemporary standards of his religion and time period.
I asked what Jesus did wrong. I ask that in a sense of today's standards, not standards 2000 years ago.
If people 4000 years ago were sacrificing humans, that doesnt mean that not meeting standards of that period and not engaging in human sacrifice is wrong. Quite the opposite. Meeting those standards would be wrong.
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@SkepticalOne
Jews are irrelevant.
Jesus was God. He was not "a Jew". Jesus established new law that has nothing to do with Jewish laws.
Jesus didnt do anything wrong. Breaking bad laws is not a wrong thing. At best, you could accuse Jesus of breaking a Jewish law, which we can agree was a bad law to begin with.
Just FYI, the New Testament didn't exist until hundreds of years after the life of Jesus
It is based on Jesus's teachings.
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Same could have been said about conservatives for hundred of years.
The democratic party rising to power in education and media.. is a consequence of conservatives and their failures.
When old doesnt work, people want new.
Simple as that.
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@SkepticalOne
New Testament changed the rules for Sabbath.
Hence, why I think Jesus and God of The Old Testament arent same God.
New Testament is a contradiction to The Old.
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@rosends
You see Judaism as the contradiction and not the gospels as contradicting what already existed?
They contradict each other. You said it yourself. Yes, Judaism existed before Gospels. I am not denying that.
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Okay, there seems to be some interest in this topic.
Masturbation is basically something I do out of desperation. I dont feel better after masturbating. In fact, I often feel same or worse than before masturbating.
1. Guilt and shame
I actually feel guilty after masturbating. I blame myself that I am addicted to these primitive actions. There is simply no honour in masturbation.
2. Too much but never enough
It seems that I masturbate too much. However, it never feels like enough. It always makes me feel unsatisfied. I probably wasted thousands of hours masturbating. If I used that time to read Karl Marx, maybe I would be better at defending Marxism in debates.
3. Interference with relationships
Masturbation made me unwilling to have sexual relationships, which is good, however it also made me unwilling to have social life. I basically have no interest in being around people.
4. Physical risks
I sometimes feel pain after masturbating too much. Sometimes it even hurts when I pee after I masturbate.
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@rosends
The only scripture that I like is The New Testament. All the significant parts of The New Testament are understood easily and dont require Judaism. In fact, judging by what you said here before, Judaism is a contradiction to The New Testament.
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@rosends
We are all ignorant about something, since having all knowledge and reading all books is impossible. It is a waste of time to research Judaism, since Judaism is not significant for literally anything. Better to research something useful instead.
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@Critical-Tim
Every moral standard has certain weakness. Morality is based around moral values. Those values can be: preventing pain, increasing life, not decreasing life, increasing happiness, increasing freedom...
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@Barney
- Matthew 24:34
- Mark 13:30
- Luke 21:32
"Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened."
All those things did happen. Jesus came back again, multiple times. He even appeared in Acts.
I dont think Matthew 24:34 talks about the apocalypse. Rather, it states what will happen during life of his disciples. And it all did happen.
For example, "the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light" happened while Jesus was on a cross:
"From noon until three in the afternoon darkness came over all the land. About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?” (which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”)."
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@rosends
Caution is unnecessary. There is no need to research Judaism. Judaism is not a significant enemy.
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@rosends
Oh fine. If you dont want to consider Christian Bible as valid, thats your choice. I have no interest in attacking Judaism on its own grounds. That would require me to research its books throughout history, which is not the price I am willing to pay.
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@rosends
You are confusing the gospel and church versions of Judaism was and is with what it actually was and is.
If you want to discuss this outside of the Bible, then I have no interest. I am saying what the Bible says, not what your interpretation of Judaism is.
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@rosends
There was no such expectation
Its literally in the Bible.
Acts 11
"Soon the news reached the apostles and other believers in Judea that the Gentiles had received the word of God. But when Peter arrived back in Jerusalem, the Jewish believers criticized him. “You entered the home of Gentiles and even ate with them!” they said."
Acts 10
"The Jewish believers who came with Peter were amazed that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles, too."
“You know it is against our laws for a Jewish man to enter a Gentile home like this or to associate with you. But God has shown me that I should no longer think of anyone as impure or unclean."
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@rosends
Except Judaism doesn't have the idea of being "saved" for anyone.
You misunderstand what "if" means.
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@IlDiavolo
If he knew Judas was going to betrayed him, why the fuck Jesus let him be his disciple?
To help spread the message, I guess. It says in the Bible that Jesus had to die so that others may believe.
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@Stephen
@IlDiavolo
When I said one wrong thing, I meant morally wrong thing. Forgot to state it that way.
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@Barney
Jesus came back multiple times to his disciples. You have to give me the verse in order for me to know which part are you talking about.
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@Barney
He clearly specified he’d be back before the last of those present had died. This was after he had died and come back.
Which verse? I cant seem to find what you are talking about.
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