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@Theweakeredge
First of all, our population has more than doubled since the 1950s.
Irrelevant, since the rate of suicides has nothing to do with population size. I really wish they started teaching statistics in schools.
Second of all, the idea of suicide has been blasted recently therefore it is not a surprise that we find more suicides - we're looking for more.
You look for more suicides? Well, thats obviously false. You cannot prove such an absurd claim. Unless you claim that all countries who hate gays are covering up suicides. You have to think of better lies than that to refute my arguments.
Third of all, correlation is not causation
Thats what you say, however, causation is correlation.
there is also much better medical technology now than in the 1950s- does the fact that we have more suicides somehow mean that our ability to prevent people or save them from an attempt has lowered?
Yes, your ability to prevent suicides has lowered because you encourage mental illnesses like homosexuality.
Your argument is not very convincing
There is no argument that can convince idiots, so all arguments are not convincing.
Dont worry, I dont expect that you will understand anything I said. So no pressure and no need to try hard.
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Great majority of the people I met in prison said or implied they would return to crime after they go out. They often bragged about their crimes too. Prison rarely fixes people. It places them in an abusive environment. Abusive environment rarely fixes anyone. In prison, everyone tries to crush others. People join in groups to abuse individuals for fun. People lie against you to the guards to get you beaten up. I dont see how can that make someone a better human.
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@Sir.Lancelot
Your first mistake is in assuming that these individuals are responsible for driving away new blood and scaring away potential people.
I dont see how any serious debater can be scared of someone's opinion to the point that he leaves the site.
The people who leave the site because they cant handle other people's opinions are probably people who wouldnt stick on the debate site permanently anyway.
While I do agree that total free speech is bad when it allows too much insults, I must also say that insults are what drives most of online conversations and debates. Plenty of people cant debate without using insults, so limiting insults would actually drive such people away.
For those who want for this site to be like Debate.org, I say that we should not try to copy a failed site that doesnt exist anymore.
The only thing that this site has to offer is freedom of speech. Thats what makes it better than YouTube, Quora...
Take that away, and you literally have nothing to attract people with.
I can debate on any site, but I choose this site because it allows freedom of speech and sensitive topics.
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@Greyparrot
I guess their idea was to lower birth rates by castrating children and therefore murdering the offspring those children would have.
They just needed a good cover up story.
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@FLRW
However, over the last decades, growing recognition emerged that transgender feelings start very early and are very consistent – pointing to a biological basis.This led to many searches for biological signatures of transsexualism, including reports of differences in sex hormones and claims of brain differences.
You are confusing "start very early and are very consistent" with "not mental illness".
The countries with highest amount of LGBT suicides are countries that tolerate and accept LGBT.
USA has more suicides today than it did in 1950.
Was USA more tolerant in 1950??????
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@FLRW
Encouraging and praising their mental illnesses causes them to commit suicide.
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@Iwantroosevelt
One that isnt a total moron?
Okay. Who do you have in mind?
Biden?
Because "mentally disabled" is not any better than "total moron".
I thought US president was supposed to be a person who is smart, moral and brings good results to USA. I guess I was asking too much. I should settle for anyone who is not a total moron.
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@FLRW
There's going to be a witness at Trump's trial saying that Trump took pictures of the top-secret records and sold them to Russia.
Yeah, sounds like a reliable witness. I wonder how he managed to follow Trump all the way to Russia.
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If you are trying to find a perfect president, you will never find one.
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@FLRW
Yes good old Pope Francis, going with the flow of the times.
However, his logic can be applied to any crime, so I am pretty sure Catholic Church is in a bit of a trouble if that guy dictates anything there.
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@Greyparrot
I wonder why the CIA is trying to destabilize the USA and promote regime change.
Democracy is a constant struggle for power.
Every group wants their guy in charge.
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@PREZ-HILTON
Well, that is the difference in the Bible between the sin of homosexuality and the original sin of Eve. They are not same sins, and Bible treats them very differently.
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@PREZ-HILTON
He is quoting the bible and so even if he is an atheist he is making good arguments for what should be christian values. I wouldn't dismiss him if you really want to practice your faith
I dont dismiss him at all. I have a good laugh reading his comments. I do agree that sometimes he makes good point of what Christian values should be, but he does also tend to misquote Bible and quote out of context.
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@PREZ-HILTON
The bible says that the wages of sin is death and also says that we all have original sin so we all get put to death.
I dont think the Bible says that we should kill everyone. Rather, it says that sin results in death, but God gifts us life.
"For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.".
Bible clearly says: "Thou shall not kill". So you couldnt possibly kill everyone without violating God's command.
Bible points out clear examples when is killing okay, and when not.
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@Rieka
You claim to be a Christian
BrotherD.Thomas is an atheist pretending to be Christian to troll Christians.
New users often mistake him for an actual Christian.
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When we talk about the predictions Bible made 2000 years ago, we have to understand that 2000 years ago no human could have known anything about things that Bible predicted. No human could have predicted things so accuratelly as the Bible has.
Some of Bible's predictions include:
1) invention of cloning and surgeries
Bible describes cloning and surgery in Genesis 2.
"And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam"
"and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof"
"And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman"
This is basically how surgeries and cloning are done. In order to clone, you need some part of the person you are cloning. However, no one could have known this 2000 years ago.
2) invention of AI
Now, if you think that an accurate description of surgery and cloning isnt enough, how about the accurate description of what is an AI?
"saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed."
And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed."
Now, obviously, this verse talks about an image that can speak, detect, think, and be like it has life. No one 2000 years ago could have known what is that about.
Today we know that AI mostly fits such description. AI is an "image" that speaks, detects, thinks, and acts like it has life and sentience.
3) government will control all trade, people will get chip implants
This verse literally describes chip implants in humans:
"And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name"
And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name"
4) It will be discovered that Earth floats in space
Obviously, 2000 years ago, no one knew for sure if Earth is located on top of something or just floating.
Bible made a claim over 2000 years ago that Earth floats in space:
"He spreads out the northern skies over empty space; he suspends the earth over nothing."
5) Christianity will be made known to the entire world
Jesus made a prediction that Christianity will be made known to the entire world until the end. He did this at the time when he had less than a hundred true followers.
"And this Gospel of the Kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations, and then shall the end come."
6) Christianity will decline and people will engage in mass adultery and luxury
In the same way that Bible predicted the rise of Christianity, Bible also predicted its final and total decline, and that people will return to mass adultery, immorality and luxury.
"It was given power to wage war against God’s holy people and to conquer them. And it was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation."
"She held a golden cup in her hand, filled with abominable things and the filth of her adulteries. The name written on her forehead was a mystery:
babylon the great
the mother of prostitutes
and of the abominations of the earth."
the mother of prostitutes
and of the abominations of the earth."
Clearly, we can see that sexual immorality has greatly increased in the world.
Christianity is in great decline, where young people are becoming increasingly non-religious after so many centuries of Christian dominance.
With so many Bible's predictions coming true, one can only assume that Bible is indeed special in some way.
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@oromagi
No Jew would agree. Thats why Israel doesnt accept muslims. Israel has its values, and probably wont make the mistake of giving those values up for democracy.
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@Savant
If you mean regarding "We should be taxing those people who dont have kids",
Then she did, in a way, tax herself to provide for children that are not her own.
I wouldnt make an exception for her if she had money. If someone doesnt have money, then you cant tax him anyway.
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@Savant
I dont know that much about her, but she did help others a lot, including children.
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Yeah, apparently, when a woman is undesirable, she can just call herself independent and people will praise her.
While I do agree that there is a point where women dont need to have more than 2 children, there is no point where we should be rewarding women for not having children at all.
We should be taxing those people who dont have kids.
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@iwantroosevelt
Then when you die, I’ll laugh and laugh
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Countries with very small percentage of vaccinated people got over covid as fast as those countries who vaccinated 90% of population.
Collective immunity gets stronger with or without vaccination.
While I do agree that some diseases require vaccines, using too much vaccines can lead us to a point where average person must receieve over 200 vaccines in a lifetime to be protected from everything.
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@oromagi
- Americans did. The French did. India did.
Their holy value was democracy in some sense.
The Jewish majority is upheld by forcing most Palestinians onto reservations without power. That's apartheid. What did Jewish holy values say about such apartheid in South Africa?
The most holy value of Jews is their religion, laws and rituals. Sometimes, some laws are broken to uphold other, more important laws.
If values change according to who benefits, can they really be called holy? Seems like a holy value would be unchangeable no matter who is in charge.
If muslims take over Israel, the religion and holy values of Jews will decrease in favor of muslim values.
So yes, Israeli will probably continue to uphold their holy values.
Holy values do "change according to who benefits". Obviously, if opponents of certain values benefit too much, those values become in danger to be abandoned in favor of opponent's values.
So yes, if muslims are in charge of Israel, Israel's Jewish values would decrease in favor of muslim's values. That is a trade no Jew will agree to.
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@zedvictor4
Compare the birth rates per woman. Palestine has much higher birth rates than israel. Woman being able to deliever every 9 months doesnt mean that woman will do so.
Plus, palestinian men would go after jewish girls. Thats the entire point of "1 man being allowed to marry 4 women" in islam.
Im theory, making 3/4 men single forces them to breed with non-muslim girls, therefore muslims would take both palestinian and israeli girls.
That is one of the reasons why islam grows so fast. Their goal is to outpopulate everyone else.
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@Rieka
Yes they were classified as women at that time, but now they are children
We are not dealing with what people say now, but with what the Bible says.
it is still immoral
Please, do show us where the Bible says that child marriages are immoral.
the verse on God's punishment shows what happens to those who harm children.
Show us where the Bible says that child marriages harm children.
Since you already admitted that Bible allows 12 year-old girls to marry, what is preventing you from admitting that Bible allows child marriages?
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@oromagi
Judaism is already the minority religion in Israeli Palestine
Jews are majority in Israel and have power in Israel. Any union with palestine and its territory would change that dramatically, is what I am saying. No one will sacrifice their holy values to uphold democracy.
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@oromagi
I believe that religion is more important. If democracy leads to muslims dictating the country, then it is good for Israel to reject democracy.
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@oromagi
Do you believe that people have a right to protect their religion?
Because lets face it. Any union of israeli and palestinians would be harmful for israeli's religion.
Muslim men can marry up to 4 women, and they breed a lot. So Israeli's religion would soon be a minority.
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@Rieka
At that time, women who were 12-13 were classified as adults, which is why it says virgin, also to show how pure she is.
Thanks for admitting that Bible allows marriage with 12 year-old girls.
Nowdays, they're underage minors.
Sorry, the topic has nothing to do with "nowdays". The topic is about what the Bible says, not what people nowdays say.
Show us where the Bible says that sex with a child is rape. Show us where the Bible says that sex with a child is harmful.
Of course, what must be noted is that Bible doesnt say that rape is wrong or harmful. Bible says that rape victims should marry their rapists and be forced to submit themselves to them.
Also, Bible says that woman's body does not belong to the woman and that she doesnt have the right to deny her husband of sex unless husband agrees.
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@Rieka
Show us where the Bible says that sex with a child is immoral. Show us where the Bible says that marriage with a child is immoral or wrong.
The topic is about the Bible. Its not about your opinion.
Bible Exodus 22:16
“If a man seduces a virgin who is not pledged to be married and sleeps with her, he must pay the bride-price, and she shall be his wife."
It doesnt say "adult woman" in this verse. It just says virgin.
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@Rieka
“Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled, for God will judge the sexually immoral and adulterous.”
This verse is irrelevant to the topic, since it doesnt say that child marriage is wrong.
Matthew 18:6 ~ “If anyone causes one of these little ones—those who believe in me—to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea."
This verse is irrelevant to the topic, since it doesnt even mention child marriages.
Let me remind you, the topic is: "Bible says". Now show us where the Bible says that marrying children is wrong.
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@Greyparrot
In the past, if someone has bad grades, they give him a job so that he can work instead of studying. Nobody should force students to continue studying in cases where it wont amount to anything. Plenty of cases of students who literally just waste time in school.
That being said, I wouldnt vote to ban roosevelt. While he does overuse insults, he also throws in an argument sometimes. So just ignore the insults and respond just to arguments.
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@Greyparrot
Imagine thinking Biden was an upgrade.
Biden lowered the standards of what we expect from a president.
Trump did say some stupid things, but Biden says stupid things every day. The world laughs at hours of videos of Biden's fails.
If Biden is the best the democrats have, we might be entering some pattern where every new US president tries to be worse than the former. I dont know why, but thats obviously whats happening.
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@PREZ-HILTON
I dont want to be the president. I give the position back to you.
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I am not sure if you are Wylted lol
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@oromagi
If the vaccine is produced by 20 people who know its real effect, if they present it as cure during an emergency, others would just accept it and mass produce it and vaccinate people. The people producing the vaccine dont have to be the ones doing the vaccination, and the ones doing the vaccination dont have to know vaccine's long term effect. It would be an emergency, after all.
But yes, I agree that there are much better ways of controlling the population, so the vaccines are safe.
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@oromagi
which only involved 130,000 people
The less people who know, the easier it is to hide.
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@FLRW
Were you aware of Bible's prediction regarding government control coming true?
Revelation 13:16-17
"And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark"
So yes, the Bible already predicted 2000 years ago that the time will come when the government will control all trade.
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@FLRW
Marcus Lamb, a co-founder and the CEO of the conservative Christian Daystar Television Network who vocally opposed Covid-19 vaccines, has died at 64, weeks after he contracted Covid-19, the network said.
He is probably in heaven now because he placed his trust in God.
Everyone dies, but not everyone goes to heaven.
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@oromagi
The thousands of medical professionals I am talking about ARE the government conducting the secret tests.
Again, you are ruling out the possibility of a small group of them doing secret testing without the knowledge of others. Therefore, one small group would have knowledge that others wouldnt have and that others couldnt obtain in time during emergency.
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@oromagi
Think of the thousands of medical professionals that would have to be violating their personal ethics and oaths for what?
Again, you are assuming that they would know the outcome of an untested vaccine. They wouldnt know. Government can conduct secret tests, where only few people are familiar with a desired outcome, and then release the vaccine during the next emergency so that it never gets to be tested by all those doctors.
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@oromagi
Okay, now you are trying to change the topic after your arguments were refuted. I dont play that game, sorry. I merely stated that government can do it, not that they are doing it.
You are intelligent enough to understand that the pills aren't actually causing thoughts, right? It's just that some depressives are so demotivated that they can't plan and execute even a simple suicide. As serotonin increases, those depressive are better able to plan and execute plans and unfortunately many depressives are already in a place where suicide seems like a worthy plan.
Thanks for admitting that pills can cause a person to be motivated and commit suicide.
Therefore, if pills can cause a person to be motivated and to plan, then the opposite effect is also possible.
Of course, what you ignore is that pills indeed can cause suicidal thoughts. Those are one of the confirmed side effects that even doctors admit.
But we are talking about side effects of pills, not intentional effects. If effect was done intentionally, it would be even stronger.
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@Lemming
There is a chance that masks can damage brain because they decrease the amount of air you breathe in.
Of course, not wearing a mask is harmful too. I just never felt comfortable wearing one. Always seemed like I was breathing in less air than I needed.
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@oromagi
Also, dont forget that covid vaccines werent tested for 15 years.
Government can use emergency as an excuse to avoid testing for long term effects.
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@IlDiavolo
Just because I watched it 4 times doesnt mean that I liked it.
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@oromagi
- That is not a fact. No such capacity has ever been established.
- In America, anybody who wants to know about any modification to any publicly approve vaccinne can review white papers, peer reviewed publications, FDA investigations and approvals.
If government had such capacity, they wouldnt let you know that they had it, obviously.
You cannot know what modification results in what until you test it. You cannot know completely even when you test it, because you cannot know which thoughts were caused by vaccine after 15 years. Its impossible to prove that vaccine wont have an effect on thoughts, because government can use delayed effect to fool tests.
- Most FDA approvals take 10-15 years precisely becuase scientists are studying long-term effects.
You cant study all effects, such as thoughts caused by vaccine after 15-50 years from vaccination.
If anti-depression pills can cause suicidal thoughts and they admit so, then to believe that vaccines cant is naive.
So yes, the government can use vaccines to control our thoughts.
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@BrotherD.Thomas
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@oromagi
The point is that government can use vaccines to control us and harm us.
The point is not that government is doing so.
The point is that government can do it, which is kinda scary.
Checks and balances cannot help if only few people know about the result of a certain modification.
Here in America, vaccines are rigorously tested and the government demands that doctors have a very good understanding of what any treatment does to the body and brain before approval. This is never 100%.
Its hard to test vaccines for everything. Impossible, actually.
You may, at best, know what vaccine does in obvious quick results regarding general health.
However, what vaccine does in 10 years, or what it does to your offspring, or what effects it has on mood, brain, thoughts, is something you can never know because there is no way to track such results.
So yes, the fact is that government can use vaccines to control our thoughts.
The government probably doesnt do that, but the fact that government can do it if it wants is scary.
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@BrotherD.Thomas
Bible 2 Kings 22:1
"Josiah was eight years old when he became king, and he reigned in Jerusalem thirty-one years. His mother’s name was Jedidah daughter of Adaiah; she was from Bozkath."
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When did doctors become scheming, money grubbers?
I guess then you must trust Ben Shapiro. His wife is a doctor.
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@zedvictor4
These people are literally satanic lol
Maybe possessed?
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