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@Savant
Hedging your bets depends on the situation. What are the consequences of being right, and are they outweighed by the consequences of being wrong? Are you gambling? Day trading?
In intellectual warfare, the consequences of being right is that truth is produced. The consequences of being wrong is that truth is reduced.
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@cristo71
This constitutes proof of your assertions?
It proves that your fantasy doesnt exist yet.
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@Shila
10-15 million illegal migrants can have that effect.
I doubt that. If migrants work for your country and improve it, people in power can govern even better. Besides, the most powerful country in the world happens to be the country with most migrants in the world. I understand that white people are afraid of being replaced, so maybe thats the problem.
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@Greyparrot
Yes. If Hamas can protect their culture from the entire western world, they clearly know something Trump does not.
So your premise is mystery.
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@cristo71
Since your definition is fantasy, it is not possible to achieve it.Prove it.
So you think there is a country which governs itself, and does so independently of other countries?
And you think migrants prevent you from achieving that?
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@Greyparrot
Are you afraid of what Hamas would do to you if you said protecting their culture was a fantasy?
So Hamas is a country you want to learn from.
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@cristo71
Having fulfilled your request, now you should fulfill mine per your agreement.
Since your definition is fantasy, it is not possible to achieve it.
I hope this fulfills yours as you have fulfilled mine.
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@Greyparrot
Yes, now go to Gaza, tell Hamas to open the borders and let the Jews eliminate their culture. Cause trying to protect their culture is a fantasy. See how many seconds you can stay alive after that. Fun game.
Not sure what does that have to do with non-criminal migrants who come to USA.
Are you afraid that migrants will... replace you????
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@cristo71
Your AI doesnt seem to be superior to GP's AI, as it just repeated same.
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@Greyparrot
National sovereignty is the authority of a nation to govern itself without interference from outside forces.
So a fantasy?
It means a country has the power to make its own decisions about laws, policies, and governance within its borders.
"A country" doesnt make decisions, but people in power do.
To achieve sovereignty, a nation must first establish and secure its borders, ensuring control over who or what enters and exits.
This doesnt contradict with non-criminal migrants being allowed to stay.
The rest of what AI said seems to be irrelevant to what you told it to argue for.
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@cristo71
That’s because you have selective reading comprehension.
I just dont believe in everything I read. For example:
“The President’s deportation initiative is purported to focus on troublemakers.”
How DO you think national sovereignty is achieved
Well, first you have to define what national sovereignty is. Now go and do that.
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@Shila
It is better to not say anything than to be wrong 9 out of 10 times.
If you say nothing, then you havent said anything true. So then there is 0% of truth spoken.
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@Shila
Its better to know that something you said was true for sure, than to never be certain if you told the truth.
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@cristo71
It’s not a matter of merely copying other countries; it’s a matter of the universal desire to preserve national sovereignty.
Not sure how you achieve that by chasing around migrants.
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@Greyparrot
USA should be like Hamas and protect its culture
I wouldnt call "eating until you are overweight" a culture.
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@Shila
When every one of your ten claims turn out right, you are wrong more often than you are right.
Most things can be sorted in a binary option, so its 50:50.
Still, even if I was wrong 90% of the time, it would mean I am right 10% of the time. So when I contradict myself, it is still proof that something I said is true.
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@FLRW
What Would Jesus Do?
Trump is opposite of Jesus. Trump has committed every sin mentioned in the Bible. If there is the complete opposite of Christian, Trump is probably that.
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@cristo71
The unwanted consequence of blanket amnesty would be heavily incentivizing more incursions at the border
Thats not an unwanted consequence. You want more migrants to replace your mostly sterilized population.
Any non criminal should be freely able to reside in any country permanently then.
They bring in money. They do hard work for you. They increase production. They increase birth rates. I would let them stay forever.
Why does no country have that policy?
Well, if you want to copy other countries, go ahead. Which great country would you copy, again?
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Glory to our new and improved Fuhrer!
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@cristo71
That takeaway does not contradict the President’s policies.
I was explaining why migrants are good, and why it is in US interest to turn most of illegal migrants into legal migrants instead of deporting them.
Sure. Care to expand?Edit: By “closed borders” I actually mean secure, controlled borders with regulated immigration, not “no immigration at all.”
You can control who comes in, and simply not let in criminals, but focus on letting in families. So if someone doesnt have record of a crime, he can enter USA. I dont think being an "illegal immigrant" on its own is a reason for deportation if person didnt commit any actual crime.
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@RemyBrown
Trump says anyone who hates or doesn't like him is a communist.
Communist, pink haired marxist, vermin, enemy of the nation...
Its great that Trump makes "Hitler's mistake" of making all his enemies unite against him.
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@Sidewalker
I'm hoping I wake up, and it's still 2015, and then I realize I took acid and none of this surrealistic shit really happened.
I often think that at some point in my life I died and now this is all a dream. I think world was somewhat better when I was a kid, even tho that could just be me not having enough information about the world back then, and people protecting kids from truth so kids think world is a magical place and that most people are nice.
When I started using internet, internet was a more friendly place. Like, you could talk to people about anything.
In the past 15 years I think everything started slowly degrading over time, and now it has reached some crazy point.
Now, overwhelming majority of news I hear are bad. For every one good thing that happens in the world, there are at least two bad things which happen. The media is basically built on giving you bad news to destroy any hope you might have, as well as to question anything good which happens.
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@cristo71
what is the takeaway from the immigrant crime data?
The takeaway is that migrants are people too just like Americans, migrants bring in their money, and US birth rates due to its sterilized population are not enough to replace workforce.
Open borders are favorable to closed borders? Then why does every country have closed borders?
Those are not the only two options.
Illegal immigrants should be able to become police officers?
Well, you probably want them to do something useful instead.
The threat of deportation is a more effective deterrent than the US prison system?
I dont know. US prison system uses rape as punishment, yet Americans still do crime.
Childbirth inside US borders should be discouraged?
Normally, countries want to increase their birth rates.
And what is the crime data for US born children of illegal immigrants?
Those are American citizens, so I assume it is higher than in migrants.
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@FishChaser
And there is no point
The point is that one of my claims must be correct no matter what. Thus, when I contradict myself, it is the proof that I have told the truth.
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@FishChaser
you still don't know which one is right.
One must be right, so by saying all options, I ensure that I have said at least one true claim, so one is right for sure even if I dont know which one is right.
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@Greyparrot
Well, Hitler never lied about who he was.
Hitler was a nazi, but Elon refuses to admit that he is a nazi, even after doing the salute in public. Why does he hide his true nature?
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@Greyparrot
Nature always avenges the violation of her commands. Thus, when a person considers himself more important than others, he causes harm to others, which creates a worse world and degrades society by destroying common purpose of humanity.
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@Greyparrot
Americans tic a completely different box.
Americans dont believe in any equality. They believe they are superior to others and more important than others, which causes conflicts in American society because one American considers himself more important than other American, thus society degrades.
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@Greyparrot
Yes but American population is declining, meaning less total crime over time.
Still much more crime than in migrant population.
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The person who makes all the contradictory statements logically must be right in one of them.
I understand that not all people are familiar with Hegel's dialectics, which say that arguing opposite premises by default means one is right, thus truth is said.
I will extend more on Hegel in the next topic. This one is just to explain why complete contradiction means that person has said the truth. Thus, contradiction is a proof of being right.
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@WyIted
Have you read the book 1984 where the government decided what was and wasn't true?
Thats what we have in Europe and Canada, and somewhat in USA.
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@WyIted
He did it with plausible deniability following the salut with the phrase "my heart goes out to you"
He needs to say "Hail Hitler". Otherwise, its a nazi salute only in body movement, but not in words. He needs to prove that he means it.
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@Swagnarok
the only way to prove Musk's intent one way or another is to ask him
And you just assume that he will tell the truth?
I guess we are entering a time when people make up excuses to deny what they see with their own eyes. Thats how it started with previous Hitler too.
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@cristo71
illegal immigrants actually do increase overall crime
So do Americans, but Americans increase overall crime much more.
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@Double_R
Then you have no business criticizing them.
Thats a contradictory statement. I dont need to listen to everything someone says in order to criticize him.
It's kind of an odd choice for someone not interested in what others have to say to spend their time on a debate site responding to people you disagree with.
People here are smarter than people in real life. If you want to become smarter, you are going to talk to smart people, not to stupid people, obviously.
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@Double_R
Maybe you're just not listening
I rarely listen to people in real life, because they mostly talk nonsense which I am not interested in absorbing.
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Trump also hates muslims. He calls them "sand people".
He also hates Chinese. He calls them "losers that eat rice".
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@IlDiavolo
Trump hates all poor countries, not just Mexico.
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@Shila
“My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.”
So he wishes for cup to be taken from him, but he also wishes for it not to be as he wishes. Didnt seem to work out for him.
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@Mall
I do have a question on one of your debates.
You said that person can have a goal to have no freedom.
Why would person have such a goal?
Thats like wishing to have all your wishes not come true.
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@FLRW
Since Gp is a member of the Oath Keepers, he thinks Trump will make him Governor of the state of Canada.
Thats better than Governor of Greenland.
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@Shila
Over the course of five decades, Donald Trump has been accused of sexual assault, tax evasion, money laundering, non-payment of employees, and the defrauding of tenants, customers, contractors, investors, bankers, and charities. Also filed 6 bankruptcies. Trump paid 88.5 million to E.Jean Carroll for raping and defaming her. Trump was charged with paying hush money to porn stat Stormy Daniels to keep secret their sexual encounter while Melania was pregnant with Barron. Trump's false or misleading claims total 30573 over 4 years .
Its amazing what a man can do in USA if he is rich.
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@Shila
Who went on the become president twice.
Dreams do come true in USA. You just need to be rich and famous.
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@Shila
Even the U.S. Supreme Court granted Trump immunity from criminal liability.
Thats so that he can do crime without having to go to prison like other people.
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@Shila
It looked very much like a Nazi salute from the heart.
Yes, but people live in denial. These guys literally do nazi salute after Trump's victory and people think its an accident.
They are greeting the new Fuhrer.
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@Shila
Trump has not visited Canada and as a convicted felon is barred from entering Canada.
In most countries, convicted felon and convicted rapist wouldnt be welcome.
However, USA now made convicted rapist president twice. This hasnt happened since Bill Clinton.
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@WyIted
No no. It's mask off time. Trump did that on purpose. The genocide starts wednesday
Are you guys declaring Fourth Reich too soon?
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Why are Sidewalker and Zedvictor tags?
Are they Axis of evil?
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@Greyparrot
I'm moving to Canada :)
So you are staying in USA after all.
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