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@Greyparrot
basket of weird deplorables
Dont forget to say that Trump's ear survived an assassination attempt, which adds new delusions to the ones his supporters already had, such as "God saved Trump, so Jesus makes sense again!".
When faced with such an argument from a delusional Trump supporter, slowly back away while gently reminding that Hitler survived an assassination attempt too, so the argument of God saving Trump clearly doesnt work.
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@Double_R
When me and ADreamOfLiberty are united against your argument, you really need to rethink your argument.
No, but there is no way for me to educate you, as my logic is far greater than yours combined, so naturally you cannot even understand it let alone do something against it. And it doesnt even matter how much ramble you both produce, as random rambling isnt an argument.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Its like trying to explain high level logic to someone who isnt capable of understanding it. I can merely point out that most people cant understand high level logic. Their brains simply arent made for thinking.
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@FLRW
If I was president, I would make it a law so that people with IQ under 140 cant vote.
We should have government made from only smart people.
No offense to anyone, but stupid people tend to make stupid decisions, and I am not sure how many more stupid decisions this country can take.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Again, this conversation is over since people engaged in it arent on my logical level and thus, cannot possibly understand my words, let alone refute them.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Well it's not like the animals would be getting energy from the trees, so you're talking about secondary power from the undergrowth below the canopy; and sure you can capture that with some animals, goats are ideal I would think but others could do it as well. If we had robot pickers you could grow more human edible low light tolerant plants like herbs, some vegetables, and several kinds of berries.That's not "animals produce more food than plant farming does" that's "in some cases animals can add a small amount of food to a base plant farming strategy"
Its fruit/nut trees plus animals. I dont see what you are not getting about this, since you cant have trees+grains, since tractor cant till around roots of trees.
Not an adult tree, that's one of the reasons they grow high; but they also have chemicals in the leaves to make them bitter if not poisonous.I don't have a list of which saplings could be eaten by cows but it hardly matters since a sapling will never be a good plant to feed cows and if they did eat them they would never grow large enough to be useful otherwise and if you did let them grow large enough they would no longer be a food source for the cows.
Not all trees grow high. Apple trees and hazel trees dont grow high, and no, their leaves arent poisonous. And since you attacked a strawman, I will just point out that no one here suggested feeding animals with leaves alone. Leaves are just extra what you get and they drop on their own during fall.
Why is that? and if the chickens didn't produce more calories than the half harvest you would supposedly lose aren't you conceding the original contention?
The point is that "cows + chickens + trees" produce more than "grains + chickens". So stop punching strawmen please.
I eat grass seed all the time. Grass is the best, too good actually.Again if you're talking about using waste products or plants to feed animals that is not the contention of the title of this thread.
You can play stupid here as much as you want. No, you dont eat grass seeds other than the likes of corn, which wont grow unless you till the soil. If you dont know what grass is(not a waste product) or how it grows, then I suggest that you go back to school. Really, I dont have time to give you the education which you need to understand what I am even saying.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
So long as the animals are eating things humans are willing to eat we must be losing energy by further conversions
Well, unless you are willing to eat grass and insects, I dont really see your point.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Ever heard of fruit trees? Nut trees?
Those are the trees you are supposed to farm on same land as animals, obviously.
Very few animals can graze on trees. Trees like it that way.
Really? You think cow cant eat tree leaves?
If you have land with different biomes you can use it more efficiently with different animals but that's not really "the same land".
Grass lands usually have grass seeds and insects.
Chickens can eat insects in a grain field too.
Sadly, not unless you want to reduce your grain yield by half.
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@WyIted
Listen, both of us are above this "left / right" nonsense.
Both of us know that society and economy can only prosper through survival of the fittest, and both of us know that neither the left neither the right have the fittest system.
Most of the people are retarded, and both the left and the right serve the wishes of retards who are digging their own and everyone else's economical grave with huge and careless government spending.
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@WyIted
Everyone knows that when government manages economy, people become less cost effective. If government gives more welfare, people dont feel the need to work as much.
And now we have a situation where
left wants a welfare state failed economy with individual freedoms
And right wants to take away individual freedoms while creating somewhat better economy but not much better.
So both sides are shit, but I prefer individual freedoms and living on welfare.
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@WyIted
I hate right. If you had proof that right was good and that left was much worse, then I would still hate right more.
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Vegans usually compare animal output (meat) in kilograms vs plant output (grains, vegetables, fruit) in kilograms per same amount of land and conclude that plants produce more.
However, they ignore 5 important things.
1. Animals dont produce just meat. One cow can produce over 7000 liters of milk a year, which already puts it on an close to equal ground in terms of food production.
2. The land necessary for farming doesnt include just area where plants grow.
It also includes storage, which must be huge because plants produce huge amounts of food once a year compared to animals which produce food constantly instead of all at once.
It also includes area for processing. You cant exactly eat raw wheat. It must be ground into flour, then flour must also have storage from where it will be taken and made into bread. To make bread, you also need space and resources.
3. Plant farming requires more machines and uses lots of fuel. You cant till soil on large scale without tractor.
4. Animal farming can be combined with tree farming, and animals can even eat leaves provided by trees. Same cannot really be said about plant farming. Tractor which tills soil cannot till near trees, as it would damage roots.
5. Different farm animals can make use of same land. Chickens can eat insects and grass seeds from land and cows wouldnt eat those anyway, and cows can eat grass from same land.
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I am literally one of few persons with a brain on this planet. All others are intellectual and moral retards who are ready to ruin everyone's life just to install the ideology that is going to fail eventually anyway.
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@WyIted
it is just people who value things like freedom and patriotism
I dont want freedom which right offers.
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@WyIted
Well, it doesnt matter. I still hate right.
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@WyIted
Satan is just not that evil. He's evil but not that evil
I know, but democrats are still better than republicans. Its not my fault that I am forced into dichotomy between retarded socialists and delusional Christian retards.
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@WyIted
Unless you are a retard who thinks babies should get murdered, gay boys get castrated or to turn America into a 3rd world country.
I may be a retard, but that doesnt change my goals. Plus, I think you just admitted that your idea helps republicans, so bad.
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@WyIted
Why are policies that are harmful better to vote for than policies that are good ?
It is my goal to make democrats win, so it is better. Think of a way how democrats can win easily.
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@WyIted
The argument is not that people with children are more likely to vote for destroying the economy by boting democrat or not be evil by voting republican but on whether they have a long time horizon when thinking.
So your argument is irrelevant then. I only care if it will make person more likely to vote democrats, since thats the proper decision in voting. Thats the only proper decision.
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There is no doubt that the people are literally brainless.
An easy way to test if brain is present or not is to test for person's priorities.
Basically, if person spends most of his time doing irrelevant things while ignoring actual big problems, we can say for sure that person is brainless.
Sadly, most people spend their entire lives complaining about, yet doing nothing about big problems in life.
Big problems in life such as wars, pollution, debt...ect. seem to have no solution, at least not if we listen to most people.
So if their brain works on the principle of "there are no solutions to big problems", of course then it cannot solve any big problems.
I have observed that most of the big problems in life can only be solved if people abandon the principle of competition.
For example, USA must have big military to compete with Russia. In order to have big military, it must have big economy. In order to have big economy, it must pollute a lot, produce a lot of trash, and it must try to install its rule all over the world and claim resources from many different places.
Thus, we see that from a mere premise of "We must compete with Russia", many problems arise and there is no way to solve them unless premise is abandoned.
But how to abandon a premise which neither Russia nor USA want to abandon?
If USA was to abandon the premise that it must compete with Russia, USA would lose its position in the world and US economy would likely collapse.
Thus, the only way to abandon the premise of competition is to completely abandon all principles which make such competition necessary.
Thus, US economy would need to become something new, so it no longer has to compete for power.
But if neither US nor Russia back down, the outcome becomes obvious. They will compete for power and resources, they will compete to increase militay as much as they can, and world will become much poorer and violent as a result.
Thus, we see that unless premise of competition is abandoned, the world will only become worse and worse, because the very premise of competition demands constant wars, constant increase in military, constant struggle for power all over the world, constant battle for resources, which in the end costs a lot of money and the cost increases constantly over time as all sides invest more and more to destroy the other.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
I am not God nor government, so I dont care about what people do with their private lives. Besides, we are all fucked anyway. The world is going to shit and its not because of bestiality, but because people ignore the more important problems and focus on insignificant problems.
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@FLRW
Well, Jesus didn't have any kids.
Jesus obviously didnt care about future.
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@WyIted
The study measures impulsiveness. That's a decision to be impulsive or patient.
So the study offers no evidence about proper vote cast. Maybe if you showed me a study which says that women with many children are more likely to vote democrat, I would support your idea.
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@WyIted
Here, I found a study which says that having more kids makes you have lower IQ:
"There is evidence that, on a population level, measures of intelligence such as educational attainment and literacy are negatively correlated with fertility rate in some contexts."
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@WyIted
A study?
I dont see any decision making comparison being mentioned in that study.
Can you show us a study which says that women with children cast better votes than women without children?
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@Double_R
None of that has anything to do with what I am saying, but I got bored of this conversation, so bye.
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@WyIted
No it means you would have to be a retard to disagree
So no proof?
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@WyIted
It's also common sense that if you have no children, there is no reason to think in a long time horizon. For example I have kids, so the policies I support I have to be concerned about their impact 100 years down the road
Usually when people say "its common sense", it just means they cant prove it lol
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@Greyparrot
Allowing parents to vote on their behalf ensures that decisions that the children will have to pay for are made with long-term considerations for the future welfare of those children.
Okay, thats a funny lie to believe in. I guess we all say funny lies sometimes.
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@WyIted
you have to live in a 3rd world shithole that America will become
USA has already become far worse to live in than any developed country, but all developed countries are mostly leftist. The idea of small government has very much died everywhere.
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@3RU7AL
Heh well it is science, and it can be applied in nature I guess.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
What you find cute I don't know.
Well, in World Conquest Zvezda Plot, Kate is more cute than Renge, but Renge is second most cute in anime.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Not cute enough!
Anyway, I already started watching Hinamatsuri, so I have no space for other anime right now, but I can add new ones to the list of ones I need to watch later, if any new ones are mentioned.
Just to make it clear, the anime which has all 3 qualities (comedy, cuteness, battle) takes highest priority since I think those 3 are crucial qualities and the lack of any can greatly diminish anime.
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I figured that instead of copy pasting entire debates, which would take too long if I am also writing them down in an actual notebook,
the easier way is to just write down general arguments.
For example, the argument of survival applies to many debates, so instead of writing down each of all those debates, I simply write down the argument of survival in general which then can be used for specific debates.
This also avoids repetition. I dont need to copy paste all the similar debates, as I can just take general arguments from them and write down general arguments only.
The idea is simple.
I read specific debate and take general arguments from it, write them down and then apply those general arguments to specific debates.
Logic works on similar principle.
People observe many specific events to gain general logic, then apply general logic to other events.
It is not a perfect system, since going from "specific" to "general" can yield mistakes, but this system has no working alternative, especially for debates, since I cant spend that much time writing down every debate.
It is much easier to just write down general arguments which can apply to every debate or most debates, instead of writing down each debate individually.
You would anyway need to take general arguments from one debate in order to apply them to other debates.
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@Double_R
The term "non-proven morality" is problematic from the start. Morality begins with a moral standard, that standard will always be subjective so no morality could ever be "proven". Therefore this right off the bat seems to confuse what morality is.
If morality is not proven, then it is non-proven.
If all moral opinions have zero proof to support them, they are equal in terms of proof.
Moreover, you're claiming that the very act of one morality "seeking better treatment" than others negates itself which is logically absurd.
Actually, I have already explained it to you and you didnt respond.
The very idea that all moralities have zero proof for them means that none of them can justify trying to be above others, and if any seeks to be above others, it creates a logical contradiction and deducts from own proof, thus becomes less proven than others.
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@Double_R
You can't negate someone else's morality without claiming your morality, or at least someone else's morality, is above it.
If someone else's morality commited an obvious violation and claimed to be above others, it commits a contradiction which negates it and places it below other moral opinions.
There is nothing confusing about this. If we both have 1000$ each, but you claim to have 1000000$, you would be lying and thus objectively wrong.
Same goes with any moral opinion which seeks to be above others when being equally non-proven. It becomes disproven and objectively wrong.
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@Double_R
You can't negate someone else's morality without claiming your morality, or at least someone else's morality, is above it. Otherwise all you're doing is negating all morality, which aside from being a meaningless point also contradicts the idea that any morality let alone all morality is objectiveThe contradiction is in the premise that all morality is objective. The rest is just where it inevitably leads.
Thats the point. The point is to prove that some morality is objectively wrong, thus the premise (all morality is equally non-proven) becomes false, thus subjective morality is disproven.
To put it in premise form:
P1. If any moral opinion is equally non-proven as others, but seeks better treatment than others, then it commits a contradiction it cannot justify, and becomes disproven.
What is your objection to this premise?
If you have no objection to this premise, then this premise stands true and proves that some moral opinions are objectively wrong.
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@whiteflame
Thanks. It will take me some time to watch these, but I usually know if I like anime by watching just few episodes.
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@whiteflame
A Place Further than the UniverseHinamatsuri
I guess I will pick these two to watch.
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It needs to be some anime with possibly 20 episodes or less.
I already watched World Conquest Zvezda Plot for like 50 times. I dont mind watching it again, but some other option would be nice too.
I am not someone who likes spam anime that has 200 episodes of which most are crap just made to fill space, so dont recommend anything that has lots of episodes.
I like battle and comedy and cuteness. If anime lacks all of these, it probably shouldnt be recommended.
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@TheUnderdog
penalty should be disqualification from a 2nd term
Not much of a penalty. I guess you like encouraging people to lie to you and gain money and power from it.
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@TheUnderdog
I was merely stating that if you go around punching people, you greatly increase the chances of them also punching you. Same applies to nations, groups...ect. This is an objective fact.
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@TheUnderdog
How else are you going to vote?
You could introduce penalty for those who break promises as presidents. Or you could just not vote. All we know is that what you have right now isnt so good.
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@TheUnderdog
Every single 1st term POTUS you are going to have to take faith
Thats great. Their lies are believed in. It even makes them president for 4 years.
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@TheUnderdog
America bombed Iraq; 500K civilians died; does that mean you want the middle east to murder everyone in Boston?
I dont want anything. I dont even care. I just state the objective fact that when you attack others, you greatly increase the chance of them attacking you.
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@TheUnderdog
I was willing to give him a chance. But now if he made that same promise, I wouldn't believe him.
I wonder who is the next US president you guys will blindly believe.
But sure, my lies werent good enough for you!
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@TheUnderdog
here in suburban America, we ask for evidence
You believed Bush when he said Iraq has weapons of mass destruction. You believed Trump when he said he will pay off the debt. So believe in my lies too, please ^^
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@TheUnderdog
I lie sometimes. It happens. I just hoped you would believe me.
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@TheUnderdog
Where is the link for it? I wouldn't vote for Trump even if he's innocent on this issue, but evidence is needed.
I lied about that claim, but at least you wont vote for Trump, so I dont need to lie to convince you.
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