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@Greyparrot
nobody can debate these with you
Well, thats alright I guess.
Maybe I need to switch to easy mode and maybe debate something that you can deny, but then again, I have been giving lots of easy topics in the past and I havent seen much progress in you.
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@Greyparrot
These are some cartoonish strawmen
So no argument from you either.
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debunking God's kingdom of heaven
There is nothing to debunk there.
Anyone who believes that there is "an all good God" who "created a horrible world" simply lacks a working brain.
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@Mall
So you believe parents go into a trading bartering bargaining compromise with children like an agreement.
I simply believe that people dont own children.
Let me ask, when is this agreement initiated and executed ,when the child can sign on the dotted line?
There is no point at which you own children, not even while they are in the womb. They are separate beings with their own goals.
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@Mall
So we take ownership of children
I dont take ownership of anyone.
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@FLRW
When you said before that we were living in a cartoon, it got me thinking, and yeah, this world is very much what you would see in cartoons.
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Actually, most people chose to be slaves.
If all people chose to be good, then everything would be good.
But most people choose whats bad, so almost everything is bad.
And people lie to themselves that they are good. No, if people were all good, there wouldnt be bad things in the world.
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@WyIted
Maybe you shouldnt threat to punch your son because of something he said.
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@WyIted
Would a slave finding a master who doesn't abuse him be an improvement?
I could list you things which together count as improvement, but I wont.
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@WyIted
Stupid people can improve things in their lives. If you are stupid you can still keep a job, stop doing drugs, be frugal and learn a trade etc
Slaves had a job too. If thats your meaning of improvement, then you dont even know what improvement is.
No, they cant improve their lives or anything else.
Its absurd to even suggest that they can.
Unless by "can", you mean something that "could happen in your imagination, but never will in this reality".
Sure, imagination is nice. I like to imagine things too. Its just that I have enough sense to know the difference between what you imagine and what is reality.
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@WyIted
We get it, you are a bad parent who thinks he owns children.
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@WyIted
Here is what I said before:
"Most of the young people who have IQ of under 130, they think that things are going to get better.
They only think that because they lack the knowledge.
They think someone like Jesus will come to save them.
But things are never going to get better nor they can ever get better, because people lack the basic knowledge of life needed to make things better.
If you have a nation of 330 million idiots and 10 million smart people, things mathematically cannot ever get better since the amount of stupid decisions made by 330 million stupid people greatly exceeds the amount of smart decisions made by 10 milion smart people.
The ratio of stupidity and smart is at least 33 to 1
(I am actually being generous here, the actual ratio is probably 330 to 1),
so no, things cannot get better, mathematically speaking."
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@WyIted
to hide your stupidity?
No, I dont hide my stupidity. I never even claimed not to be stupid. I could link many posts where I literally admitted to being an autistic retard, but I think its not necessary to search for my old posts just to prove that I am stupid.
to present solutions
I mean, judging by what I see, society will never be good. It will always be bad.
Its due to simple math.
95% of the people = dumb
95% of the people = make mostly dumb decisions
95% of the people = make 95% of decisions
95% of decisions = mostly dumb
With this simple calculation, we see that no matter what solution one thinks of, society will always end up making mostly dumb decisions which lead to bad outcomes.
The only solution is to make all people smart and good, which is impossible since they refuse, are incapable, and there is no even a way to make them smart and good. If over 12 years of education didnt work, nor 2000 years of religion, nor fear from God, its very much a lost cause.
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No, you dont own children, you cant circumcise them or vaccinate them against their will. You also cannot tell them what to do.
At best case for you, you can engage in free trade with them by offering housing and food and other stuff in exchange for them obeying some of your rules.
At no point you may actually take away their freedom.
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Okay, I have been doing some thinking, and I literally cannot find a difference between the world we live in and a cartoon.
Maybe at some point in my life I got teleported into a cartoon.
Think about it.
You have Kim Jong Un, who is literally a classical cartoon villain who fires rockets and makes evil plans to attack USA.
You have Putin, who is another cartoon villain who tricks people into thinking that "Its not war. Its a special military operation." and his people are somehow dumb enough to believe him.
You have Trump, who is a typical cartoon troll and calls people names such as "crooked", "little", "jeff bozo", "sloppy", "loser"...ect.
These are all insults you would expect to hear from a toddler.
Then you have Biden. He forgets what he wanted to say, he talks literal nonsense and moves like a retard while falling all the time and looking lost, and still is somehow president.
These are all things and situations you would expect to see in a cartoon.
These are not things you would expect to see from adults in the real world on a large scale.
You have bunch of brainless people and bunch of trolls who fight each other and lead all into doom.
How is this different from a usual cartoon?
In fact, even some cartoons I watched make more sense than this world.
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truth
There is no such thing as truth, since people dont have all knowledge.
Most people dont even have the most basic knowledge about what truth even is.
They just ramble nonsense and repeat what they are told, and call that "thinking".
Thats why they fall for lies from politicians and media all the time.
Thats why they expect that they can make all the bad decisions in life and expect that the outcome of that can be good.
They dont believe in truth. They believe in whats funny and what feels good.
Thats why US politicians look like they came from cartoon.
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@Intelligence_06
Not knowing what sampling means definitely discredits you from engaging in valid talk about international affair I would fear.
I know what sampling means, but it seems that you dont, nor you know that sample can be completely different from actual situation especially when it comes to things like online comments.
So you think few comments on the internet correctly represent views of billion of Chinese?
Can you tell us how do you know that it correctly represents views of billion of Chinese, many who dont even have internet?
100 internet comments are 0.00001% of the population, assuming no multi-accounts.
So go ahead now, tell us how you know that 0.00001% correctly represents thoughts of 100%.
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@zedvictor4
You have this jaundiced idea that "Government" is somehow an alien species that is out to get you...Sort of shape-shifting anti-social space lizards
I didnt say any of that. What I did say was that it is slavery.
Rather than just people who run the show , because:A. That is their chosen career path.And:B. They are a tad more successful than you
I dont see how any of that justifies slavery. Could you tell us how A and B justify slavery?
Society says OK Mr Best Korea, so you are not happy with being a member of a governed society.Therefore we will grant you your anarchic wish, and will will drop you and some fellow anarchs on a remote deserted island that has plenty of natural resources.
Sure.
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@Intelligence_06
Sorry, I get a little upset after I masturbate.
But you must understand that I hate China as much as I hate USA.
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@Intelligence_06
know what people comment about.
Its actually impossible to read billion comments in a lifetime, let alone in the short time you have been on Earth. Besides, I doubt billion of Chinese commented to you. Well, most of Chinese dont even have internet.
Also “we” don’t send the weapons. I don’t work in the military and neither do most people.
Dont worry. You will provide for the military with taxes.
Also, do you even have elections in China?
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@Intelligence_06
We think that North Korea is a monarchism that pretends it is socialist.
Its interesting how you know what billion of Chinese people think without asking them.
But anyway, after you guys sent so many weapons to North Korea, sure, you guys dont like North Korea at all.
Yesh, you dont! Yesh, you dont!
(^_^)
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@zedvictor4
you are saying that your governed society provides you with absolutely nothing of benefit
No, I am not saying that there are no benefits. But after forced circumcision, forced vaccines, forced taxes, forced school, and other forms of body violation, there are no benefits which really matter.
take absolutely nothing that your governed society provides?
You are moving the goalpost from government to society. No one here was even arguing that society shouldnt exist.
But if you meant that I take nothing from government, you would have to point out what is it that I take from the government.
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@zedvictor4
So, who would I be a slave to...A government is as much a slave of the people as the people are a slave of the government.
If both are slaves, it doesnt lead to conclusion that none are slaves. Plus, what you are saying doesnt even apply to all individuals universally. Government is not my slave in any way.
As I said before, some people like being slaves and like paying to government to make other people slaves as well.
Yep, big IF.
Yeah, it seems that anarchy only works if people want it, same as any other system.
So if people dont want anarchy, it just means people are morally corrupt, kinda like when people reject the good and desire the bad.
One person claiming to be an Anarch, who will undoubtedly expect all the benefits and provisions of an ordered society
There are no plenty of benefits in being a slave, its mostly just negative, but its not a choice either for that one person.
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@WyIted
Crime is lower
Wait, are we still talking about USA?
Hhowever life expectancy is now higher
Statistical deception due to lower birth rates.
it is easier to learn a 6 figure skill
Sure, if you ignore the fact that now dollar worths 40 times less.
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"The tendency of the rate of profit to fall (TRPF) is a theory in the crisis theory of political economy, according to which the rate of profit—the ratio of the profit to the amount of invested capital—decreases over time. This hypothesis gained additional prominence from its discussion by Karl Marx in Chapter 13 of Capital, Volume III,[1] but economists as diverse as Adam Smith,[2] John Stuart Mill,[3] David Ricardo[4] and William Stanley Jevons[5] referred explicitly to the TRPF as an empirical phenomenon that demanded further theoretical explanation, although they differed on the reasons why the TRPF should necessarily occur.[6]"
Now, the theory is actually much more simple than whatever nonsense is described above.
The theory simply says:
Capitalist profit is made from earnings minus costs.
Costs are wages and non-wage costs such as machines and materials.
As machines and other non-wage inputs in production increase, only two things can follow:
1. Decrease in wages cost (reducing wages or reducing number of workers)
2. Decrease in profit
Both of these are essentially harmful.
They can both only be avoided if non-wage costs never increase.
If non-wage costs increase, to maintain same profit rate, either some workers must lose jobs or wages must decrease. Otherwise, rate of profit decreases.
So, why do non-wage costs increase?
Some think its due to technological advancement. As technology advances and new machines and robots are put to use, what happens is that more money needs to be payed for those.
Others think that an increase in the cost of raw materials contributes. Since economy is built on mass production, every increase in rate of production by technological advancement leads to greater use of resources which in return increase the price, even more so for resources which are being depleted faster or in cases where their supply isnt sufficient to cover all,
and thus since demand usually exceeds supply in case of resources who with advancement of technology become more in demand, but less in supply,
What follows is general rise in non-wage costs of production which can only result in fall of profit or fall of wages.
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@WyIted
We have
Lol
I guess those problems solved arent obesity, homelessness, crimes such as rape and murder, wars, too much work, suicides, bullying, bad expensive government, high prices...ect.
This is an example in history where when technology advances, people have to work more while having less, something which in the past would be considered an absurd.
I am starting to think Karl Marx was right about wages losing value as technology advances. Oh well, I guess Marx was 300 years ahead of his time.
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@WyIted
I also find it odd that in America we shine a light on issues so they can be solved
Yeah, thats why you guys solved so many issues.
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@JoeBob
Lol
I just noticed that I feel much better from drinking about 600 to 700 mililiters at once, than I do from drinking the usual 300 or less.
Its not an exact science of course.
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@FLRW
Trump is very stupid. Well, that's what one of his professors said.
Stupid people love Trump. Stupid people think Trump will save them. You would think that after 2020, they would learn, but the definition of a stupid person is that stupid person never learns or just forgets very quickly.
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@Intelligence_06
I only need lunch & dinner
I probably should have made it clear that I usually only eat about 1000 calories a day, but sometimes I eat up to 1500 calories.
So if you eat over 2000 calories in lunch and dinner, it doesnt at all count as "eating less food".
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@FLRW
I'm guessing Trump and Gp have 6 Big Mac's a day.
Yes. Trump is fat, and Gp complains about food prices all the time.
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So here are some simple points about how to live a happier life.
1. Dont eat too much food, eat just small meals, eat twice a day
Too much food causes you to be less happy. Overeating might feel good while you eat, but overall, eating less feels better.
2. Drink 700 mililiters of water at once
This point is related to previous point. Drinking 700 mililiters of water at once is about 2 or 3 glasses depending on the size of a glass. It makes you feel better, but it also greatly reduces hunger and reduces desire for food.
Usually, person is supposed to drink about 4 liters of water per day, which is about 5 x 700 mililiters. So in a 16 hours, that would be 700 mililiters every 3 or 4 hours.
3. Dont think about past or future too much
Thinking about past means thinking about things which no longer exist, which makes you feel bad since you are either feeling bad about good things which are no longer there, or feeling bad about bad things which were once there.
However, thinking about future, especially distant future, has similar problem. If you think about a good thing you will have after 2 years pass, it makes present feel much worse. But if you think about bad thing which could happen, it again makes present feel worse.
Thus, the only thing thats left is to focus on present and good things in the present, as well as living in the moment.
4. Practice some time of thirst
Not drinking water for 8 to 12 hours can be beneficial as well, since you remove focus from problems and focus on thirst.
5. Void in the mind - No thoughts
There is a saying which goes "you cant have sad thoughts if you dont think".
Meditation, especially Tao meditation, teaches you to empty your mind of thoughts at least for some time during the day.
6. Thinking about 20 new things at once
As much as having no thoughts is good, thinking about many new things at once can also puts your focus in present and overwhelm your brain to remove focus from troubles.
I think this new list is probably the most simple one to follow.
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@zedvictor4
I would suggest that one doesn't necessarily have conscious control of oneself.
Thats true.
In real life, unless I prepared and learned conversation in advance, I cant talk to anyone because my brain stops working when under any social pressure.
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@TheUnderdog
If you have a point to make, make it. I am not really interested in whatever this is.
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@3RU7AL
PRIMAL ETHICS(1) PROTECT YOURSELF(2) PROTECT YOUR FAMILY(3) PROTECT YOUR PROPERTY
Is that similar to non-aggression principle?
Since you would be only acting to protect those 3 against those who attack them, thus those 3 can be followed by everyone in society without a contradiction.
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@zedvictor4
My life up until now, has been very comfortable thank you...Because I live in a comparatively stable society
Well, some people like being slaves. It makes them comfortable.
Anarchy will not work , because human nature dictates that leaders and subordinates will inevitably emerge from the chaos
Actually, if entire population is made out of anarchs, then everyone will respect the non-aggression principle, so everything will be fine.
If just 1 person in the world is an anarch, then thats 1 additional person who wont violate others.
So you could say anarchy works as long as there is at least 1 anarch.
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@TheUnderdog
I know you care about being alive enough to not commit suicide
I guess I do.
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@Greyparrot
I hope the Democrats invade your country after they are done destroying Russia. Then you will care.
You suddenly sound angry.
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@Greyparrot
But yeah, its not like government can spend money in a smart way.
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@Greyparrot
Who cares. Its not my money. I dont even live in USA.
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@amber
"There is no such thing as 'white supremacy.' "
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Being average white person is easy. They just do drugs and drink all day, and many even practice self-harm.
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@cristo71
Now, I opened your link, and it says:
"The terrorist sympathizers were about split between having “a lot of” or “a little” sympathy for the group."
Having a little sympathy for the group doesnt usually translate into approving everything that group does.
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@cristo71
given your carefully worded claim, if taken absolutely verbatim
Yeah, it seems that my brain wrote a casual assumption claim and also designed it to be immune to possible counter-arguments.
Good job, my brain!
Also, your link is about student protestors, where my claim was just an assumption about majority of Palestine supporters.
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@Savant
Yes, but whats the alternative?
One can pretend that one side is good, but thats just ignoring the obvious reality that fighters on both sides want to eradicate the complete population of the other side.
Most of those in USA who support Palestine dont actually approve of what Hamas did, they just recognize how Israel's military is bad too, but with a difference that Israel has a lot more firepower while Hamas right now is almost powerless to harm Israel.
Maybe there are some people in USA who justify Hamas, but I think majority of those who support Palestine would never say that what Hamas did was right.
Its the civilian casualties which are the issue for people in USA. Even the question of taking away land has mostly been pushed to side due to massive civilian casualties.
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@Savant
Yes, but have you considered that other countries have gotten away with civilian warfare in the past, therefore Israel should be allowed to kill civilians as well?
No, since I dont really hold opinion that its justified to kill civilians, now or in the past. Because if its justified, then whats the difference between them and terrorists, and how are terrorists then even unjustified?
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The case against Israel is very much undeniable.
Israel justifies killing of 40,000 Palestinian civilians because Hamas killed 1000 Israeli.
First, thats obviously a very disproportional number.
Second, the civilians which Israel kills are not those who attacked Israel and killed 1000 Israeli.
It is same as the case if some murderer kills person's family member. That person doesnt get to kill random civilians as an act of revenge for murder of a family member.
Many of the killed in Israel's bombing attacks are children who in no way carry the guilt for attack on Israel.
Thus, an attack on civilians is not self defense, but it is a war crime.
Israel has spent 7 decades abusing Palestinians. The attack on Israel came as a product of abuse which Palestinians endured at the hands of Israel.
Israel also specifically targets civilian homes, hospitals and schools, cuts food supply to starve Palestinians. So to put it simply, Israel is producing even more terrorists who will fight against it.
The Israeli bombing is led by the political strategy of claiming that every bombed object hosted terrorists, and the rest of the world is told to disprove that instead of asking for Israel to prove its own claims.
Israel's claims were disproved many times where at the place of bombing, no dead soldiers were found, but only civilians.
But even if we were to take Israel's claims as true, killing 20 civilians to kill 1 enemy soldier is still a war crime.
There is basically no excuse for leveling entire cities to ground and killing 40,000 civilians.
Its not just disproportional revenge, but its severely punishing mostly those who are not even guilty.
You cannot expect to abuse, starve and bomb any group of people and still expect them to give you support.
You are much more likely to turn them against you, but you are also much more likely to turn good amount of countries in the world against you.
Its not that people love Palestine, as much as they are disgusted by actions of Israel who has taken for right to kill any amount of civilians it wants just to display some blind revenge mentality.
However, Israel cannot be seen as morally justified since it kills those who are not guilty of any crime.
Such actions cannot even be justified, since all they prove is that Israel is as bad as Hamas.
If Hamas is bad because it killed 1000 Israeli civilians, then how much more is Israel bad for killing 40,000 civilians?
Israel cannot kill so many civilians and still expect that the world will support it, nor there is any justification for killing civilians together with terrorists.
If the goal was to kill terrorists while avoiding civilian casualties, Israel wouldnt use bombs which are specifically designed to kill more civilians than terrorists when used in populated areas.
In fact, Israel is acting like the goal is to kill as much civilians as possible without making it too obvious that thats the goal.
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