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@PGA2.0
PGA2.0,
YOUR COMICAL QUOTE: "BrotherD is all bluster and lack of substance. He clearly does not understand the biblical Revelation or it's significance and I have found dialogue with him is futile ."
Is my alleged lack of substance the reason you had to RUNAWAY FROM OUR DISCUSSION???! HELLO! LOL
As if you aren't embarrassed enough because of your RUNAWAY status to our discussion, you are still whining about it. Priceless admittance!
You are again dismissed in shame.
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@Tradesecret
Tradesecret,
YOUR WANTING POST WHERE YOU GRASP FOR STRAWS THAT ARE NOT THERE TO BEGIN WITH: “Using the word " think" is not me being uncertain. In fact for many people using the word think actually means they are sure.”
First thing, use your word "think" in its proper syntactical sentence structure, where you forgot the pronoun "I" as in, "I think," get it? Nice ruse, but you were caught again!
YOUR INITIAL ABSOLUTE STATEMENT OF WHICH YOU ARE TRYING TO WIGGLE OUT OF IN YOUR IGNORANT OF THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE POST ABOVE: “As for fulfilling the law, I don't think it ceased.”
Since you are inept of the English language, in writing, the term "I think" is a qualifying phrase that indicates some degree of uncertainty, where the meaning of such words together indicate being an opinion, and most certainly ambiguous, where it is NOT an absolute sense! 2+2=4, oil and water don’t mix, and you trying in vain to wiggle out of your misstatement is not only revealing, but it digs your embarrassing hole even deeper! LOL Next time, know when to just STFU to save yourself further embarrassment, understood?! YES? MAYBE? :(
YOUR UNGODLY QUOTE AGAIN: “I am sure that Jesus did not abolish the law. Yet, I understand law in the sense of the underlying reason for the law in the first place. I don't get caught up in the letter of the law - but rather am addressing the spirit of the law. “
The “letter of the law” is an ABSOLUTE in the literal form, where your subjective understanding of “the spirit of the law” is just another opinion of a pseudo-christian like yourself. With that being said, this is why there’re so many different and contradicting DIVISIONS of the faith, understood?
Since you proffer that Jesus did not abolish the law, of which I agree for obvious reasons relating to His Sermon on the Mount, then you agree that this command is to be followed today: “For anyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death; he has cursed his father or his mother; his blood is upon him.” (Leviticus 20:9). GOOD FOR YOU! The irony of following ALL of Jesus' inspired word, is the fact that there are NOT enough prisons to house the pseudo-christians when they follow them!
You are excused at this time to try and regroup once again.
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@EtrnlVw
EtrnlVw,
IN TURN, YOUR REVEALING QUOTE ABOUT YOURSELF! : "We're not particularly interested in your fetishes of getting off on being decimated."
Welcome back! Talking about being decimated, it looks as though your wounds have been healed enough subsequent to Jesus and I BIBLE SLAPPING®️ you silly relative to you calling Him a LIAR! Unfortunately for you, is the fact that when you step out of line regarding Jesus' inspired word again, and at your expense, you will be shown to be the Bible fool that you are, understood?
Regarding your complete Bible ignorance, it won't take you long to perform this ungodly act!
We can see that you are still too ashamed to fill out your biography as a pseudo-christian, especially in what division of Christianity that you follow, of which, we can only wonder in what Jesus thinks about you in this respect. As if calling Jesus a LIAR wasn't bad enough, huh?! LOL!
"For whoever is ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, of him will the Son of Man also be ashamed when he comes in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.” (Mark 8:38)
You are excused for now.
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Oh no! FAUXLAW has jumped off the deep end once again! As if his incoherent post in another thread wasn't enough with its abhorrent English, misspelled words, and convoluted subject matter, now FAUXLAW has chosen "Apples" in his next embarrassing forte into metaphysical abstracts! :(
FAUXLAW EMBARRASSING QUOTE # 49237498: "If you, Stephen, and I all have a red apple in our hand, can we not all claim it? Why should I be singled out as the interloper? Because it's popular to do that, today? Bad reason, my friend. Just a bad reason. Did I start a string saying I have a red apple, and neither of you did? So, since you both also have a red apple, or maybe my apple is not a red as yours, or you laugh because my apple does not look like an apple at all, or is the last apple from the tree, you're both entitled to tell me my apple is a myth? "
HUH?
I keep telling the membership that FAUXLAW has been truly possessed by Satan Himself! Are there any exorcists in the membership that can help FAUXLAW because my praying to Jesus about FAUXLAW's ungodly MO has not worked! HELP!
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@PGA2.0
PGA2.0,
Are you still whining like a little BIBLE SLAPPED®️ Runaway Preterist? Why don't you take your primitive 1790 pagan belief to a Christian's children forum where you will be more at home, where the Childs mind would easily accept such a comical belief like you did, okay?
YOUR CRYING QUOTE: "Thus, I will not engage with him again, ....."
Good! Not only will this save you from further embarrassment that I would have given you regarding your ungodly faith, but I will have free reign anytime I want over you and your Satanic faith, as you have to sit on the sidelines being SILENT biting your finger nails because you proffered that you will not engage me anymore! If you do, I will call you out for being another pseudo-christian HYPOCRITE in not keeping your word, understand? Huh? I will keep these posts just in case.
YOU CAME UP WITH AN EXCUSE TO RUNAWAY FROM OUR DISCUSSION AS EXPLICITLY SHOWN, THEREFORE, LIVE WITH IT AS YOU NAVIGATE AROUND THIS FORUM IN TOTAL AND COMPLETE SHAME, UNDERSTOOD?
My wasting of time with you is DONE!
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@CaptainSceptic
STEPHEN'S APROPOS POST OBVIOUSLY REGARDING FAUXLAW: "Unless you have the lungs of a Polynesian pearl diver, do not hold your breath."
Priceless, LOL!
CAPTAINSCEPTIC, YOUR QUOTE TO ME RELATIVE TO THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE CHALLENGED FAUXLAW: "BrotherDThomas, I have no idea how you made heads or tails of that."
Well, the last time I saw mumbo, jumbo, gumbo wording like what FAUXLAW has brought forth, was when I visited my late uncle Hubert that used to live under the staircase in the back of my Aunt Mildred's farm house in Canandaigua, New York, just before she committed him to the Willard Asylum for the Chronic Insane, which was a short drive to Ovid New York at the time.
FAUXLAW'S CONVOLUTED QUOTE: "what aere my half-=assed beliefs [you must know wha tthey are to make the claim they're half-assed], and which huge chunk of the Bible am I ignring since I've read all of it in four different languages. Match that, or maybe you're missing the chunks. You're waiting for clarity as if it was a parade?"
I tried to decipher in what it said, firstly, it was something about an "aere" that FAUXLAW had that was a half of something, equaling an "assed" relating to beliefs or something like that. Then using a bracket "[" is maybe a modified letter "C?" The following sentence is gibberish that I truly didn't understand, and reminds me of my Uncle Hubert passing me notes from under the kitchen table that had the same abracadabra wordage to them. Then if you closely read the next sentence, it is something about a "chunk" of the Bible that FAUXLAW was "ignring," assuming that he was proud of in allegedly knowing 4 languages, huh? I would think that FAUXLAW would learn English first before "trying" to learn another language.
Then FAUXLAW follows up by stating "match that," possibly meaning that he wants to show his prowess towards women by being on Match.com which is a dating site? Huh? ..... Then FAUXLAW goes on to mention "chunks" again, where this time he might have thrown up at the time of him writing his post? I dunno. Then FAUXLAW finishes with somehow relating "Clarity" with a "Parade?" WTF! This notion is reminiscent of my Uncle Hubert not being too clear on what parade he was watching, where one time he thought the Christmas Parade in town was a Halloween Parade, where he went around grabbing little children to find candy! We settled with the police afterwards. :(
In any event, I hope that FAUXLAW'S jabberwocky post is not a sign from Jesus putting a curse upon him (Genesis 12:3) because of him Satanically trying all the time in rewriting His JUDEO-Christian Bible!
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@PGA2.0
PGA2.0,
You are having a very hard time in dealing with what you specifically said, quote: "If you do not wish to engage in a reasonable discussion then I will ignore all future posts. You choose."
As explicitly shown, YOU CHOSE to runaway from discussion because of what you proposed, in that you don't think I am reasonable in discussion regarding your pagan faith, understood?! It is just that simple! 2+2=4, get it?
Now, start doing what you said you would do, and that is to ignore my posts from here on out, understood? Don't be a hypocrite to your statement above because the membership is watching, Preterist RUNAWAY!
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@CaptainSceptic
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CaptainSceptic,
FAUXLAW ALERT, AGAIN!
Oh my, as you can readily see in the Bible ignorant FAUXLAW'S post #29 above, his English syntactical sentence structuring and spelling skills go severely wanting! This gives Christianity a bad name when one of its assumed followers are so blatantly unskilled in the English language. Jesus is more than likely shaking His head in disgust as He peers down upon FAUXLAW’s post in question (Hebrews 4:13).
Furthermore, FAUXLAW is an alleged author of books as shown in his wanting biography, therefore, I feel sorry for the proofreader that should get “double pay” in correcting his horrific lack of writing skills before his books go to print!
As shown ad infinitum, FAUXLAW is too embarrassed to tell you what DIVISION of Christianity that he follows. I have tried to get it out of him, but to no avail. You will learn that the majority of pseudo-christians upon this forum take the same ungodly stance, which tells a lot about them.
Unfortunately for FAUXLAW’S future true enlightenment, he has me on block, and this is because I challenged him upon his comical and ungodly notion of his the AGE-DAY THEORY relative to the 2 contradicting Creation narratives. Once I challenged him upon his topic, “POOF” he ran away! He has also ran away from my post #25 within this thread that continued to show his outright biblical ignorance. In doing so in both instances, he went directly against the inspired word of Jesus when He stated that ALL Christians are to defend the faith!
"He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it." (Titus 1:9)
Subjectively speaking, FAUXLAW is nothing but flotsam in this forum by taking up valuable space for others to engage in meaningful discussion.
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PGA2.0,
YOUR REVEALING QUOTE EQUAL TO RUNNING AWAY LIKE TRADESECRET: "If you do not wish to engage in a reasonable discussion then I will ignore all future posts. You choose."
Listen up Preterist Bible fool, I don't have to choose, you have made the choice already by subjectively and wrongfully accusing me of not being reasonable in our discussion, therefore you will ignore my future posts regarding your ungodly pagan faith, therefore you are RUNNING AWAY!
YOUR REVEALING QUOTE EQUAL TO RUNNING AWAY LIKE TRADESECRET: "If you do not wish to engage in a reasonable discussion then I will ignore all future posts. You choose."
Listen up Preterist Bible fool, I don't have to choose, you have made the choice already by subjectively and wrongfully accusing me of not being reasonable in our discussion, therefore you will ignore my future posts regarding your ungodly pagan faith, therefore you are RUNNING AWAY!
SO BE IT RUNAWAY PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN PRETERIST!
I knew you would eventually use a lame excuse to runaway from further discussion, because who in the hell in their logical right mind could ever defend such a Satanic faith of Preterism to begin with? As shown, certainly not you!
Another pseudo-christian bites the dust when engaging the Brother D!
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FAUXLAW SPEAKS!
FAUXLAW'S STATEMENT SAYING THAT THE 10 COMMANDMENTS ARE STILL VALID, POST #18: " ...... Yes, the 10 commandments are still valid, .......... "
Oh, oh, again the Bible ignorant FAUXLAW steps in the proverbial poo. His statement now means that there are 603 Commandments left out of the 613 that are shown within the Old Testament to follow as well, therefore, FAUXLAW cannot have his cake and eat it too in giving validity as well to the remaining 603 commandments set forth by our Hebrew Jesus the Christ as Yahweh God incarnate!
Whoops, this is what happens to the truly Bible ignorant pseudo-christians like FAUXLAW. In using Bible Logic 101, now FAUXLAW proposes in a godly way that the 603 Commandments that are now left are to be followed as well! A few notable commands of the total 613 are as follows:
"Do not wear clothes of wool and linen woven together." (Deuteronomy 22:11)
"When a woman has her regular flow of blood, the impurity of her monthly period will last seven days, and anyone who touches her will be unclean till evening." (Leviticus 15:19)
"And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death." (Exodus 21:17)
“And the man that committeth adultery with another mans wife even he that committeth adultery with his neighbors wife the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death” (Leviticus 20:10)
" And if a man take a wife and her mother, it is wickedness: they shall be burnt with fire, both he and they; that there be no wickedness among you." (Leviticus 20:14 )
We can only assume that FAUXLAW, and other pseudo-christians as well, will start following the above commandments along with the other remaining 598 commands equal and valid to the 10 commandments that FAUXLAW says are still valid! Yes, FAUXLAW has now opened another can of worms equal to his running away from me in answering his Satanic and comical DAY-AGE Theory relative to the two contradicting Creation narratives! LOL
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@CaptainSceptic
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CaptainSceptic,
OMG!!! After reading your post #12, it was like Jesus spoke through you to enlighten the flock on Christian reality! I fell to the ground trembling as if I was in the presence of Jesus the Christ, where I truly think that He spoke through you to let the insidious TRADESECRETS of this forum know that there will be no RUNNING AWAY from biblical axioms and logic101. Jesus gave the attribute of logic 101 to each and every person of His creation to actually use, instead of just sitting on it as TRADESECRET continually does at his laughable expense, period!
Thank you Captain, I will now go and try and calm down with a few shots of 104 rye, because of what I experienced within your godly post, that Jesus was present with you at the time of you posting your godly statements, praise the act of miracles! PRAISE OUR SERIAL KILLER JESUS!
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MELCHARAZ steps in the proverbial poo once again! :(
MELCHARAZ QUOTE NOT SPECIFYING WHICH GOD HE IS TALKING ABOUT: "The reason there are multiple religions and denominations? They dont know God."
This is a religion forum where many different Gods are talked about weekly. Therefore, it is only respectful to your God in question that you worship, is to actually mention their NAME instead of their TITLE! When Melcharaz states; "they don't know God," then which one of the many Bronze, Iron, and Middle Age Gods is he truly talking about. or which of three Gods remaining today of the aforementioned Ages of Man is he referring too?
It is a slap to the God that Melcharaz worships in not mentioning their name. It's like he is too embarrassed to do so, or possibly he erroneously thinks that his God is the only true God in existence where others be damned!
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CaptainSceptic,
As shown ad infinitum within this forum, TRADESECRET is vying to be the number one RUNAWAY from Biblical axioms and conflicting topics regarding Christianity, as we have experienced in other threads. He comes on strong, but when confronted with the facts as you have shown, and my godly biblical axioms, TRADESECRET immediately deflates and then RUNS and hides where he hopes that other pseudo-christians will forget about his Satanic tactic.
I can't count the pseudo-christians that I have BIBLE SLAPPED SILLY®️ within this forum, whereas I almost had to get a secretary to help me keep track of these BURGER KING CHRISTIANS®️ where they want their Bible their way instead of Jesus' way!
As a TRUE Christian, I can gain solace in knowing that this pseudo-christian ilk within this forum will pay upon Judgment Day for sure, praise Jesus' revenge upon them!
“But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.” (Revelation 21:8)
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@PGA2.0
PGA2.0,
YOUR REVEALING QUOTE OF HAVING A COMPUTER BREAK DOWN: "When I get my computer back I will prove thus further."
Your computer not working is a "sign" from Jesus in the fact that He is sick and tired of your Devil Speak regarding His true words within the scriptures! WAKE UP! He is giving you a "sign" that He is disgusted with your pagan Preterism faith: "Then some of the scribes and Pharisees answered him, saying, “Teacher, we wish to see a sign from you.” (Matthew 12:38) Get it? DUH!
Within your blithering ungodly post #78 that admits through the chapters of Revelation that I gave you, that you admit that our Jesus was A SERIAL KILLER as explicitly shown in the verses in question! Thank you for agreeing with me on this most important aspect of Jesus modus operandi, praise! Of course the discerning saw the fact that you didn't use the name "Jesus" that did these brutal murders, but used the term "God" instead, even though it is the same entity, be a man and use the correct term of Jesus performing these brutal and horrific murders next time, get it?
With that being said, do you to have a problem in worshiping a brutal serial killer Jesus, as Yahweh God incarnate, doing those horrific and brutal acts in the book of Revelation to His creation? I will not mention in detail of what Jesus did to unbelievers because it is sickening to the core of Him allegedly being all loving and forgiving, of which I am sure you will agree. Okay, I'll mention just one of many sickening things Jesus did to unbelievers, of which was, His ghoulish creations when he returns were a bunch of horse-like locusts with human heads, women’s hair, lion’s teeth, and scorpion’s tails! They’re gonna be stinging unbelievers straight for a whole 5 months, ouch! (Rev.9:7-10).
So, in essence, the Satanic Preterest faith takes away all hope of Jesus returning in the future at this time period, because your faith states that He has already returned in a "Second Coming Event" in your Satanic way of thinking, and calls any pseudo-christian like you that doesn't s swallow your faith, as misguided minions of Satan!
Bar none, the above is it in a nutshell!
You are excused in embarrassment once again, therefore go and hide with your equally dumbfounded Bible ignorant TRADESECRET, because he knows all of the great hiding spots on DEBATEART forums!
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Tradesecret,
First off, to save yourself from further embarrassment I don’t expect you to respond to my post herein, like where you had to RUN AWAY from many of my posts directed to you in another thread that showed your continued Biblical ignorance. Enough said.
In you agreeing with having many contradicting denominations, aka, divisions, in being okay with you, precludes your ungodly notion of slapping Jesus in the face once again! But, no less, what did I expect from you? Your predictability in this respect is always expected.
A very simple premise, that you may understand at the onset, is the fact that what Jesus, as Yahweh God incarnate" SAID ONCE, He logically and most certainly didn't mean for His creation to take in many different and contradicting ways, understood? Yes? Maybe? Therefore, when another division of Christianity is created it gives a bad name to the faith, as if the faith is still wallowing in contradictions to find its true way! Get it? Huh?
The irony is there are a “plethora” of DIVISIONS of Christianity, which all contradict each other, otherwise, there would be only one true church, is the fact that they all can’t be correct in the eyes of Jesus at the same time! This being said, it is sacrilege to have so many contradicting divisions of the faith as comically shown in the convoluted link below:
Therefore, when you ungodly posit that many DIVISIONS of the faith is uplifting and correct in your ungodly way of thinking, is most certainly coming from the mouth of Satan Himself to discord Christianity even further! Therefore, in the true Matthew 4:10 tradition, BE GONE SATAN!
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@Tradesecret
Tradesecret,
Listen, after listening to your blustering rhetoric that went nowhere in your posts within this thread relative to me, other than to embarrassingly trap you again and again, I respect the fact that you didn't want to take anymore embarrassment, therefore you had to RUN AWAY from my post below! Good for you in finally accepting the fact that you are absolutely no match for Jesus and myself in showing the inept pseudo-christian like YOU their evil ways of rewriting the Bible in Satan's name!
I have asked this point to other equally dumbfounded of the Bible pseudo-christians like you, and that is, what type of "running shoes" do you wear in the name of Satan? I am trying to form a list in this vein for pseudo-christian purposes. If you don't want to be embarrassed again by the Brother D. and don't want to answer this simple question, I completely understand.
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PGA2.0,
I have only taken the following ignorant statements of yours instead of the myriad of others that only show contradiction between alleged historians, where who and what was right will always remain at a standstill, understood? The adage of: "How can everybody be right, when everyone is wrong" comes to mind.
YOUR OUTRIGHT LIE REGARDING THAT I HAVE CALLED YOU NAMES IN POST #65: "Again, you have done nothing to refute my arguments but instead fallaciously attacked me with namecalling, conjecture, and wild accusations while providing nary one proof to back them up."
Show me in my quote that you used in your post #65, where I have allegedly called you any type of name! As if your Preterest faith isn't embarrassing enough, now you go to the low level of LYING upon this forum!!!
YOUR CONTINUED BIBLE IGNORANT QUOTE IN POST #66: "What evidence do you have from the Bible that Jesus has not returned?”
This is embarrassing for you AGAIN, whereas the “Revelation” of the Apostle John in the different chapters of the book of Revelation of Jesus’ Second Coming HAVE NOT HAPPENED YET! Understood?
Have the following Second Coming of Jesus events been seen as yet, or if it happened already, is Jesus’ brutal murdering spree upon the nonbelievers on record anywhere in the worlds history? NO IT IS NOT, therefore Jesus HAS NOT returned!
Try and follow along where the Apostle John was godly revealed in what the Second Coming of Jesus will be like in the following passages: Rev.1:13-16, Rev.9:7-10, Rev.9:15-19, Rev.11:5-10. Now, if you don’t accept these biblical axioms of Jesus’ horrific brutal return, then are you prepared to call the Apostle John a LIAR as well?
Even Matthew agrees with the Apostle Paul where Jesus’ return will be a ghastly, horrifying, and a brutal take no prisoners murdering event! “This is how it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come and separate the wicked from the righteous 50 and throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” (Matthew 13:49-50). Do you want to call Matthew a LIAR too?
PGA2.0, maybe its time for you to actually accept the fact that Religion in general is NOT your forte whatsoever. To compound this fact by swallowing the Satanic faith of being a Preterest, where your faith was “invented by Satan” in the year of 1790 as just “another” DIVISION of Christianity as embarrassingly shown in the link below:
When you are driving to your Satanic Preterest Church, where do you get the authority to laugh at the many different church DIVISIONS of the Christian faith that you pass by, where you take the notion that your church is the only correct one in the eyes of Jesus?! laughable at best, get it? LOL!
YOUR QUOTE OF WANTING TO KNOW MY ASSOCIATION WITH THE FAITH: "Also, since you claim to be a true believer, what church, doctrine, or belief do you expand upon? Is this solely your own interpretation or do you have something you feed off of?
I accept my long standing statement that I created, in that “what Jesus, as Yahweh God incarnate” said ONCE, He did not mean for His creation to take in many different and contradicting ways, period! Understood Bible Fool? Therefore the Bible is to be taken LITERALLY without any use of decoder rings, crystal balls, quija boards, and other Satanic means that can degrade its content!
I don’t need one of the many hypocritical churches like yours to tell me in what the Bible actually says in literal form, is really NOT what the Bible says. This is because of the use of Satanic apologetics, hermeneutics, spin doctoring, and the such to anachronistically bring its content closer to reality of the 21st century to try and make it more believable. REMEMBER, in the day of Jesus, and subsequent to His pretend death, there were no churches. People were taught the Christian doctrine through oral tradition started by the Apostles, and beyond by alleged godly story tellers!
Therefore, I don’t need no “Stinkin Churches!”
Subjectively, you should take the position of RUNNING AWAY from this time hence to my statements, just like TRADESECRET had to do in trying to save face to his outright Biblical ignorance. At least think about it, it will definitely save you from additional embarrassment, okay? You can thank me later.
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@PGA2.0
PGA2.0,
What you fail to realize is post-70 A.D. of the book of Revelation renders all Preterist thought absolutely FALSE. THINK, the earliest Christian historian who recorded the church’s knowledge of the Domitianic dating of Revelation was Hegessippus in 150 A.D. and this continued to be the unanimous view until about 4 centuries later with the Syriac Peshitta NT manuscript in which someone wrote that John was exiled under Nero. HELLO? Therefore, It is sometimes claimed that the Neronic dating is in the original, but this is impossible since the original lacked the book of Revelation. The history shows there is no source or reasoning given for this change in that 6th century manuscript. This is most problematic at best, and definitely lacks the authoritativeness that would be required to credibly make such a huge revision to what was commonly accepted and passed down from the end of the first century/beginning of the 2nd. FACT!
The same can be said for the Muratorian Fragment, which is the 7th century copy of the 2nd century original, with no way to prove the Neronic dating was in the original. There is no record of any of the early church fathers holding to the Neronic date of Revelation, where this is a fascinating glimpse into the early church fathers and what they believed on a variety of topics is in ‘A Dictionary of Early Christian Beliefs’, over 700 pages that were compiled by David Bercot! In addition to Hegessippus, who, notably, wrote this prior to Irenaeus, Tertullian, Hippolytus, Eusebius, Jerome, Sulpicius Severus, and a number of other church fathers both before and not long after the council at Nicaea in 325AD, all confirm that John was exiled to Patmos by Domitian where he received Revelation, get it?!!! The lack of any dissenting view naming Nero in place of Domitian until the 6th century should give early-date advocates pause. 2+2=4! Therefore, most of the events of Revelation are still in our future where some view the messages to the churches as having already been strictly for them and completely fulfilled, while some view each church as symbolic for a different time period, and of course there could be room for double-fulfillment of most of those first 3 chapters.
Remember, there was a celebration on Patmos in 1995 commemorating 1900 years, approximately, as in 95 or 96 A.D., since the Revelation Jesus gave to John. Furthermore, what other events in the 1st century A.D. are ever claimed as taking place 2 or 3 decades earlier, or later? UNDERSTAND? With all of the accurate records kept during the Roman Empire era and surviving today, there is little room for such a vast difference being possible. Understand this simple premise, its commonly believed that Jesus died around 30 or 33 A.D., Paul and Peter were martyred in the 60’s, Nero lived from 37-68 A.D., etc. NO ONE SAYS JESUS DIED IN 3AD OR 60AD, or that Peter and Paul were martyred in the 30’s A.D. or 90’s A.D., or that Nero actually reigned around the time of Jesus’ ministry as recorded in the Gospels! The majority of scholarship places John’s writing of Revelation in the mid-90’s, but somehow your insidious Preterist faith thinks it’s ok to go against the overwhelming consensus of the past 2000 years? LAUGHABLE!!!
Remember, the great fire of Rome took place for nearly a week during 64 A.D., but no one places it in 54 A.D. let alone 34 A.D. A powerful earthquake in 60 A.D. devastated Laodicea, and yet no one ever says that earthquake took place in 30 A.D. 30 years prior. With the vast majority of evidence to the contrary. Your Satanic Preterist faith literally rests on this single pillar of the dating of the book of Revelation. And, really, that is no pillar at all in light of the historicity of the late date!!!!
Now, go hide yourself from the above FACTS that make your Preterist faith as comical as the Pentacostals, Mormons, Jehovah Witneesess, etc., because in the true Matthean 4:10 way, BE GONE SATAN!
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PGA2.0,
Listen up, don’t you remember me stating that you follow the fraudulent Preterist Faith that is not only Satanic, but goes directly against Jesus’ inspired true words?! Subsequent to ungodly Preterists using a Sharpie pen and scissors to mark out, and cut out approximately 75 percent of the JUDEO-Christian Bible, what is left is a Satanic “pocket size” version at Jesus’ expense! BLASPHEME!
As if the above Preterist fraud isn’t disturbing enough to Jesus, and as shown, you come forth with some of the most laugable Devil Speak “mumbo-jumbo-gumbo-dumbo, strum” rhetoric that this forum will probably ever see! Look at your phrases and words, that are copy and pasted from your Satanic faith’s website, where obviously you don’t have the sense to feel embarrassed.
Whether you are a half assed Preterist, or a whole assed Preterist, the truth is that your pagan faith was “hatched by Satan” in the year of 1790, get it?! Therefore, your faith is yet another DIVISION of Christianity where every Bible reader prior to this date read the bible wrong in your Satanic view, and are therefore swimming in the sulfur lakes of Hell as we speak! LAUGHABLE! In turn, the Catholic faith says that you are wrong, and will burn in the sulfur lakes of Hell, GET IT? LOL!
Furthermore, since your comical and ungodly faith preclude that if all prophecies have happened before and up to 70AD, then you are stating that IT IS A LIE in calling the hope for Jesus to return in bodily form in the future, at the end of time and history, and raise our bodies towards heaven, and bring judgment to all unbelievers, is now a ruse! You slap Jesus in the face because the 4 aforementioned biblical entities unifiy the history of Chrisitianity and Jesus’ Second Coming, but to your Satanic thinking, even though these four entities unify Christianity, and the future Second Coming, to you these precepts is fraudulent and WRONG! HELLO?
The bottom line is YOU live in the past, where TRUE Christians live in the godly future, understood?
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Stephen,
YOUR MEANINGFUL QUOTE OF UNDERSTANDING: "I sometimes envy those with faith, especially at times of sorrow and mourning, when the lord has decided it is time to take an only child from its mother and they can simply think and believe that their innocent child didn't suffer for months on end for nothing and will be rewarded in a much better place that the mother could ever hope offer her only child."
Yes, as it is understood, when my Yahweh/Jesus gives a young innocent child unbearable cancer, where the parents are in complete turmoil and stress, then lets this child die instead of healing it, then it is assumed that Jesus is "testing" the parents in how devoted they are to Him. It is far better that Jesus took this child from their loving parents as a test, then to let it grow up with its loving family in the future. Hey, they still have pictures of this child to remember, so Jesus is still ever loving and forgiving, praise!
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PGA2.0,
ONCE AGAIN, ANOTHER BIBLE DUMBFOUNDED QUOTE BY YOU: "The Law of Moses has been abolished (Matthew 5:17-18) since it can no longer be carried out in the prescribed manner. It was always pointing to the better covenant, a schoolmaster or tutor to lead us to Christ."
HELLO? Your misnomer of whether the OT laws, ALL 613 OF THEM, can be carried out or not is moot! This is because of the simple biblical axiom that they are still too be followed today in the 21st century, understood Bible fool?
Tell the membership, what part of Jesus' Sermon on the Mount don't you understand relative to following the 613 laws of Moses TODAY?
JESUS STATED: "For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled" (Matthew 5:18). With these words, Jesus likened the continuance of the Mosaic 613 Laws to the permanence of heaven and earth, UNDERSTAND?! Therefore, has Heaven and earth passed away or disappeared yet? NO IT HAS NOT! Therefore, as Jesus stated with specificity, the true Christian is to follow every jot and tittle of the 613 commanded laws of the Old Testament until the earth and heaven do pass away! 2+2=4, oil and water don't mix, and your outlandish Bible ignorance is again laughable!
JESUS STATED: “In fact, this is love for God: to keep his commands. And his commands are not burdensome (1 John 5:3) The ONLY commands at Jesus' time were the 613 commands of the Old Testament. Therefore, Jesus condoned the murdering of homosexuals in this godly instructed passage, to wit: "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them." (Leviticus 20:13) Additionally, Romans 1 26-27, understood, Bible fool? Yes, Jesus condoning the murdering of gays shakes my faith to the core, but what are we to do?
Besides, do you want to call Yahweh/Jesus a LIAR when both stated: "My covenant I will not break,Nor alter the word that has gone out of My lips." (Psalm 89:34) The inspired word of Yahweh/Jesus wrote the entire 613 Commandments, and as stated in the Psalm passage, Yahweh/Jesus WILL NOT BREAK THE COVENANT, NOR ALTER IT IN ANY WAY, therefore the 613 Old Testament laws are to be followed today, UNDERSTOOD?
Listen up, are you going to hold a vigil to remove the 10 Commandments in front of the court houses around the USA, because they are part and parcel to the total 613 Mosaic laws that you state are NOT to be followed?! GET IT? LOL
YOUR RUNAWAY QUOTE FROM THE INEVITABLE: " I won't waste my time with BrotherD. He shows he is not interested in dialogue ...."
Pseudo-christian excuse # 4984858485 to RUN from you easily being made just another Bible ignorant fool upon this forum! Besides, as explicitly shown with your ever so wanting posts, you DO NOT have the acumen to engage me in the first place. Therefore, the only thing that you are good for within this forum, is for me to show others in what a true pseudo-christian looks and acts like by being a minion of Satan against the TRUE words of Jesus the Christ! THANK YOU!
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"Hi, my name is PGA2.0, and to save face towards calling Yahweh/Jesus a LIAR towards still following the 613 commandments, I am going to bend over backwards, stumble, LIE, and do everything possible in the name of Satan to try and hermeneutically spin doctor away the fact that we are to still follow the 613 commandments that were biblically inspired by Jesus Why? Well, it is because it is barbaric to follow such atrocious laws in the 21st century, that's why. BUT, it matters not if I am made the continued fool for at least trying to remove these Bronze, Iron, and Middle Ages laws today, okay? . Come on, at least give me credit for trying to make said 613 Mosaic Laws useless, okay? Please? I am trying so hard to do so, where in turn, we won't be so embarrassed about them in the future, okay? Who is with me on this project? Come on, let's unite!"
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Stephen,
The entity of the Bible itself proves that it is ambiguous, which therefore shakes my faith to the core. :(
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@Tradesecret
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Tradesecret,
FIRST AND FOREMOST RELATIVE TO YOUR POST #32; YOU LIED once again by not following your own statement in your post #32 relating to me and my posts towards your Bible ignorance when you stated herewith: "Of course you think I am running away. Yet I don't respond to bullies nor to ignoramuses who display hardly an ounce of decorum nor intelligence. "
Whoops! You remove one foot to insert the other once again! The only logical outcome of your misstep shown above is to logically perceive that when you are now responding to me relative to your dumbfounded post #32 that said you wouldn't for the said reasons, then you are CONTRADICTING yourself, preluding that you DO NOT perceive me now as either a "bully, ignoramus, and I do have decorum and intelligence!" THANK YOU, the chickens always come home to roost! Otherwise, to keep your word in your post #32, you should have remained SILENT to save what face you have left here on DEBATEART, get it? Maybe? You continue to easily fall into the Brother D's traps. :(
YOUR EMBARRASSING QUOTE IN POST #34: "As for fulfilling the law, I don't think it ceased."
Huh? You "don't think it ceased?" You are therefore not sure, but you base your child like perceived biblical hermeneutic spin relative to fulfilling the law on a convenient and embarrassing "MAYBE?" Jesus and I deal in ABSOLUTES, understand Bible fool, where there are no "maybes" relating to the true words of our serial killer Yahweh/Jesus God, understood? You're kidding, correct? What ends will the Bible ignorant pseudo-christian like you take to try and save face within this forum? ANOTHER TRADESECRET LAUGHABLE CONCLUSION! What's new? Absolutely NOTHING!
Sorry, but before I add additional proverbial egg upon your face in front for the membership, you are going to have to get out of another embarrassing moment for you upon this forum. Whereas this time, explain why you are NOT SURE of the "fulfillment" notion of Jesus' MO that you continue to grasp for straws upon. Otherwise, as usual, your argument upon this topic is outright embarrassing, and where you should learn to just STFU to remove further embarrassment when the Brother D takes you to the carpet again, and again, and again!
Anyway, at least "try" to explain your "Maybe" scenario to the topic at hand, okay? We need further laughter; BEGIN:
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@Tradesecret
Tradesecret,
YOUR CONTINUING RUNAWAY POST: "Of course you think I am running away. Yet I don't respond to bullies nor to ignoramuses who display hardly an ounce of decorum nor intelligence. "
Uh, you are LOGICALLY running away because you simply did not address my post #9 in any way whatsoever, other than to RUN AWAY from it. Get it Huh? Scared? 2+2=4, oil and water don't mix, and your Biblical Ignorance is without bounds where your only way out was to RUN AWAY with a lame grade-school response above!
In any event, your RUN AWAY quote above is pseudo-christian excuse #409238348564RA that is used when the assumed Christian like YOU knows that their position was biblically shown to be blatantly false, and knowing that they can't defend their position anymore, other than to run away from it, therefore the Christian like YOU has to come up with yet another lame and laughable response like you did in adding even more embarrassment for you. I knew you wouldn't let us down, where your predictability of running away is a part of your true MO within this forum.
The irony of your decorum notion regarding myself, which defined is; behavior in keeping with good taste and propriety, falls flat with your assumed decorum, because in bad taste and lacking any propriety whatsoever, you LIED in front of the membership regarding your comical hermeneutic spin relative to the word "fulfill" relating to Jesus, and therefore the Old Testament is not to be followed anymore, NOT! Tradesecret, as easily shown in my post #9, this ungodly position of yours was a real knee slapper, but at your expense once again! :(
TRADESECRET, have you ever thought of writing comedy for SNL? I think you are missing your true calling.
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@Tradesecret
Tradesecret,
YOUR REVEALING AND EMBARRASSING QUOTE, AGAIN: "Just make up stuff as you go along. I have consistently applied the same hermeneutics for quite some time. I have yet to be caught out with an embarrassing biblical dilemma. "
Barring the FACT that I knew you were going to RUN AWAY from my post #9, because it held your Bible ignorance to the fire in being embarrassing WRONG again, and within this post in question, you were caught out with your Satanic hermeneutics regarding the term "FullFIl." Shhhhhhhh, let you be silent to this post, and maybe your equally dumbfounded of the Bible will not notice your blatant faux pas, okay?! Shhhhhhhhh, mums the word.
You are guilty of so many of Jesus' inspired words regarding your outright Bible stupidity, as was explicitly shown in my post #9, that you are now guilty of the following inspired by Jesus' verse:
"The simple believes everything, but the prudent gives thought to his steps." (Proverbs 14:15)
Would you tell me what brand of "running shoes" you wear? So many pseudo-christians like you are embarrassed to tell me this simple fact, I guess for obvious reasons.
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PGA2.0,
YOUR REVEALING AND TRUTHFUL QUOTE TO MY POST #20: "Hilarious!!!"
Yes, I am glad that you admit that when you are in discussion with your Satanic Bible rewrites, it is HILARIOUS! Tell you what, what is even more HILARIOUS is your Devil Speak you spew forth relative to your ungodly comical faith of "Preterism!" Just watching you remove one foot to insert the other regarding your Satanic faith within these threads is better than watching Saturday Night Live! HILARIOUS!
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CaptainSceptic,
See, what did I tell you? In all of PGA2.0's subsequent posts to you relative to your debate challenge, he is running away from it! I have Bible Slapped PGA2.0 silly in many threads within this forum, so expect to see some of the most comical and outlandish responses from him in a discussion.
PGA2.0 RUNNING AWAY QUOTE #1: "How badly do you want to debate this?"
Subjectively, you never let a pseudo-christian, especially a PRETERIST, control YOUR debate, it is your debate and you construct it the way that you want, not PGA2.0's way. This is an old ruse that the pseudo-christian uses to "try" and get the upper hand when the parameters by the challenger have already been set that is uncomfortable to them at the onset. If PGA2.0 ever gets off the pot and commits, we will see some of the most outrageous Bible hermeneutics and rewrites this forum will ever see, brought to you by the minion of Satan, PGA2.0!
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CaptainSceptic,
I doubt if this Bible inept pseudo-christian will debate you upon the topic at hand. If he tries to defend the faith, like the inspired word of Jesus so states, always remember PGA2.0 is a Satanic "PRETERIST!" This alone will embarrass PGA2.0 to biblical axioms that show his laughable belief is moot!
The Preterist faith, being yet another DIVISION of the faith, denies the future prophetic book of Revelation, where the Preterist movement teaches that all the end-times prophecies of the New Testament were fulfilled in AD 70 when the Romans attacked and destroyed Jerusalem! The comedy of Preterism teaches that every event normally associated with the end times, Christ’s Second Coming, the Tribulation, the Resurrection of the Dead, the Final Judgment and such, HAVE ALREADY HAPPENED! HELLO?
PGA2.0 is easily refuted with just simple biblical axioms of Jesus' true words, that he has RAN AWAY from when I discussed the JUDEO-Christian bible with him in different threads. So, expect him too runaway from you as well, let alone, even if he takes the challenge to debate you in the first place.
PGA2.0 represents the true meaning of being a pseudo-christian!
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@RoderickSpode
RoderickSpode,
ONCE AGAIN, what part of my post #33 within this thread didn't you understand? You don't get something for nothing, understood?
Since you are RUNNING AWAY from my post #33 again, and again, and again, and to save further embarrassment for you, IT IS DULY NOTED IN FRONT OF THE MEMBERSHIP THAT YOU CANNOT DISCUSS IN ANY WAY OR FORM, THE BRUTAL MURDERING OF INNOCENT CHILDREN BY OUR JESUS, AS YAHWEH GOD INCARNATE, PERIOD!
You continue to slap Jesus in the face once again, when His inspired word states with specificity that you are to DEFEND the faith, but all you can do is to RUNAWAY from it as a minion of Satan! The irony of which, you call yourself a Christian, NOT!
"He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it." (Titus 1:9)
Now, go back into hiding with egg upon your face concerning my posts that you could no more address than the equally Bible ignorant FAUXLAW.
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@Tradesecret
Tradesecret,
YOUR LAUGHABLE AND BIBLE TWISTING QUOTE, AGAIN: "But in saying this - the OT is not done away, but rather fulfilled in Christ. An example of this is the OT Mosaic law in regard to sacrifices. The laws were to continue in every generation. And so Christians believe this today - yet - since they are fulfilled in the Christ eternally, the specific sacrifices are no longer necessary. "
Once again, you are vying to be the most Bible dumbfounded pseudo-christian in DEBATEART Religion forum! You are obviously jealous that subjectively FAUXLAW holds this title at this time, therefore you have to come in with some of the most comical Bible twisting hermeneutics to date. Nice try, but no cigar!
You, and equally Bible ignorant pseudo-christians PGA2.0, interpret the word fulfill as bringing to an end, or superseding, or some other insidious after the fact notion or synonym for the term abolishing. Reading comprehension 101 then states that you have Jesus saying, “I did not come to abolish the law, but to abolish it!” H-E-L-L-O, anybody home today TRADESECRET? Obviously not! Foolish pseudo-christians like YOU will never cease to amaze us with your insidious bible twisting antics!
In the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus makes it clear that He DID NOT come to destroy, rescind, nullify or abrogate the Old Testament Laws, all 613 of them, to wit: "For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled" (Matthew 5:18). With these words, Jesus likened the continuance of the Mosaic 613 Laws to the permanence of heaven and earth, UNDERSTAND?! Therefore, has Heaven and earth passed away or disappeared yet? NO IT HAS NOT! Therefore, as Jesus stated with specificity, the true Christian is to follow every jot and tittle of the 613 commanded laws of the Old Testament until the earth and heaven do pass away! 2+2=4, oil and water don't mix, and your outlandish Bible ignorance is without bounds!
Jesus' inspired word states: “In fact, this is love for God: to keep his commands. And his commands are not burdensome (1 John 5:3) The ONLY commandments at Jesus' time were the 613 commands of the Old Testament! GET IT, HUH?
TRADESECRET, regarding the Atheists wanting the removal of the Old Testament 10 Commandments displayed in the front of a church, a Courthouse, or a public place, when was the last time you held a vigil to stop this ungodly act, even though the removal includes your crafty and ungodly notion of Jesus allegedly fulfilling the 10 Commandments, therefore they are not to be followed anymore? GET IT? Huh? Do you need further clarification Bible fool?
As usual, I expect you to RUN AWAY from my post herein, like you have done ad infinitum with my other posts directed to you when you slap Jesus in the face with your blatant Bible Ignorance, so once again, go into hiding to save yourself from further embarrassment from the Brother D Thomas. Hurry, RUN AWAY! LOL!
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FAUXLAW steps in the proverbial poo AGAIN, therefore when will FAUXLAW ever stop being a Bible ignorant pseudo-christian? NEVER, because as it is shown ad infinitum, sometimes you just can't fix "Bible Stupid!"
FAUXLAW QUOTE, POST #6, WHERE HE CALLS JESUS A LIAR! : "Eternal punishment is not the traditional view of fire and brimstone. It's a popular story, but eternal punishment is far more subtle than that, and described by Death [aka Joe Black, played by Brad Pitt] in the 1998 movie, "Meet Joe Black."
As if FAUXLAW didn't have enough embarrassment and laughter put upon him when he proposed the "Day-Age" theory relative to the contradicting Creation narratives, AND that he RAN AWAY from when I called him out on such a ridiculous notion, now FAUXLAW adds more laughter to his presence on this forum by proposing that eternal punishment is not fire and brimstone, but only a popular story that is not true, notwithstanding, it represents a Brad Pitt movie! LOL!
As a TRUE Christian, I thought the MIA ETRNLVW was the most dumbfounded Bible ignorant pseudo-christian on DEBATEART, but FAUXLAW is now proving ETRNLVW is coming in 2nd place to FAUXLAW now being #1!
A very simple syllogism that FAUXLAW may understand with a little help from an equally Bible ignorant pseudo-christian, is that Jesus specifically stated in the passages below that there is Hell fire and brimstone, where FAUXLAW'S Devil Speak quote says that Jesus is WRONG, which equals FAUXLAW calling Jesus a LIAR!!! BLASPHEME!
JESUS STATED: “And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched." (Mark 9:43)
JESUS STATED: “Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels.” (Matthew 25:41)
JESUS STATED: "The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’ Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels"
JESUS STATED: “But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the HELL FIRE.” (Matthew 5:22)
JESUS' INSPIRED WORD STATED: “But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.” (Revelation 21:8)
JESUS' INSPIRED WORD STATED: “And the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who in its presence had done the signs by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped its image. These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulfur." (Revelation 19:20)
JESUS' INSPIRED WORD STATED: “And the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who in its presence had done the signs by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped its image. These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulfur." (Revelation 19:20)
FAUXLAW is guilty again of the following passage: "I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book." (Revelation 22:18)
Listen, I don't expect FAUXLAW to even come close to addressing yet another example herein of his outright and complete biblical ignorance this post represents on his ungodly topic at hand. THEREFORE, TO SAVE FURTHER EMBARRASSMENT, FAUXLAW WILL REMAIN SILENT TO THIS POST AND RUNAWAY FROM IT LIKE HE HAS DONE IN OTHER THREADS, THEREFORE ADMITTING THAT I WAS CORRECT AGAIN IN SHOWING FAUXLAW BASTARDIZING THE BIBLE ONCE AGAIN IN THE NAME OF SATAN!
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@RoderickSpode
Stephen,
Have you seen the pseudo-christian RUNAWAY RoderickSpode? He challenged me to some questions in this thread in his post #26, but in doing so, he has yet to answer my PREVIOUS questions to him in my post #19 regarding our Jesus being a serial killer of innocent children. In other words, he wanted something for nothing, as is the pseudo-christians true MO.
If you see him running past your house in trying to hide from Jesus true modus operandi, tell him to get his Satanic ass back into this thread to at least "try" and save face.
Thanking you in advance.
Have you seen the pseudo-christian RUNAWAY RoderickSpode? He challenged me to some questions in this thread in his post #26, but in doing so, he has yet to answer my PREVIOUS questions to him in my post #19 regarding our Jesus being a serial killer of innocent children. In other words, he wanted something for nothing, as is the pseudo-christians true MO.
If you see him running past your house in trying to hide from Jesus true modus operandi, tell him to get his Satanic ass back into this thread to at least "try" and save face.
Thanking you in advance.
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Nonjudgmental,
Ahhhhh, thank you for showing some of my great memories in representing Jesus' TRUE WORDS! As I remember, you were unfortunately on the receiving end of being made the Bible fool along with the others mentioned in your godly post, praise Jesus!
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SupaDudz,
It truly amazes me in just how Bible ignorant you are! Are you trying to take the place of the equally Bible ignorant MIA EtrnlVw?
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/4126-women-becoming-catholic-priests?page=2&post_number=43
YOUR NON-ANSWER TO MY POST #43 ABOVE: "Then I proceeded to say that women should not have a place in priesthood for reasons stated in the Bible and the overall sphere of the church itself"
The crux of my post #43 is that YOU, as a totally Bible ignorant fool, is going directly against Jesus’ words when you specifically state that you call your priest “Father,” because you are not to call ANYONE “Father” accept Jesus Christ in heaven! GET IT? Catholic or not, Understood?!
Nice runaway again to the main topic, but as usual, I simply caught you again! LOL
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/4126-women-becoming-catholic-priests?page=2&post_number=44
YOUR QUOTE THAT DOESN’T FOLLOW MY STATEMENT IN MY POST #44: “So how does this apply to me? I’m not Catholic”
Please READ my post #59 where I have already addressed this proposition, and at least “try” and keep up with me, okay? The membership is watching you continue to stumble because of your Bible ignorance upon this forum.
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/4126-women-becoming-catholic-priests?page=3&post_number=62
YOUR INSIDOUS QUOTE REGARDING JESUS’ DIRECT WORDS REGARDING HOMOSEXUALS IN MY POST #62: "The after life and real world are different. If they don’t repent the sin, the afterlife will judge them as is"
WRONG! The homosexual man is to be judged NOW while on earth in real time, period! “If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.” (Leviticus 20:13). Key words are the bold type within the verse in question. The afterlife has NO DEATH and NO BLOOD (Matthew 10:28, John 11:25-26), therefore your notion falls flat upon its face! The gay man is to meet his godly demise while upon earth, as their earthly blood shall be upon them, understand? 2+2=4, oil and water don't mix, and your Biblical knowledge is that of a dead crow on a Texas backroad!
Leviticus 20:13 is in the same context as the following biblical narratives, of which they are only a few of many, where Jesus’ words state with specificity that the guilty are to be judged and murdered while on earth, and not in the afterlife, understand Bible fool?
“A man or a woman who is a medium or a necromancer shall surely be put to death. They shall be stoned with stones; their blood shall be upon them.” (Leviticus 20:27)
“Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day shall be put to death.” (Exodus 31:15)
“But Jews came from Antioch and Iconium, and having persuaded the crowds, they stoned Paul and dragged him out of the city, supposing that he was dead.” (Acts 14:19)
“And as they were stoning Stephen, he called out, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” And falling to his knees he cried out with a loud voice, “Lord, do not hold this sin against them.” And when he had said this, he fell asleep.” (Acts 7:59-60)
“And set two worthless men opposite him, and let them bring a charge against him, saying, ‘You have cursed God and the king.’ Then take him out and stone him to death.” (1 Kings 21:10)
YOUR NON-ANSWER TO MY POST #43 ABOVE: "Then I proceeded to say that women should not have a place in priesthood for reasons stated in the Bible and the overall sphere of the church itself"
The crux of my post #43 is that YOU, as a totally Bible ignorant fool, is going directly against Jesus’ words when you specifically state that you call your priest “Father,” because you are not to call ANYONE “Father” accept Jesus Christ in heaven! GET IT? Catholic or not, Understood?!
Nice runaway again to the main topic, but as usual, I simply caught you again! LOL
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/4126-women-becoming-catholic-priests?page=2&post_number=44
YOUR QUOTE THAT DOESN’T FOLLOW MY STATEMENT IN MY POST #44: “So how does this apply to me? I’m not Catholic”
Please READ my post #59 where I have already addressed this proposition, and at least “try” and keep up with me, okay? The membership is watching you continue to stumble because of your Bible ignorance upon this forum.
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/4126-women-becoming-catholic-priests?page=3&post_number=62
YOUR INSIDOUS QUOTE REGARDING JESUS’ DIRECT WORDS REGARDING HOMOSEXUALS IN MY POST #62: "The after life and real world are different. If they don’t repent the sin, the afterlife will judge them as is"
WRONG! The homosexual man is to be judged NOW while on earth in real time, period! “If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.” (Leviticus 20:13). Key words are the bold type within the verse in question. The afterlife has NO DEATH and NO BLOOD (Matthew 10:28, John 11:25-26), therefore your notion falls flat upon its face! The gay man is to meet his godly demise while upon earth, as their earthly blood shall be upon them, understand? 2+2=4, oil and water don't mix, and your Biblical knowledge is that of a dead crow on a Texas backroad!
Leviticus 20:13 is in the same context as the following biblical narratives, of which they are only a few of many, where Jesus’ words state with specificity that the guilty are to be judged and murdered while on earth, and not in the afterlife, understand Bible fool?
“A man or a woman who is a medium or a necromancer shall surely be put to death. They shall be stoned with stones; their blood shall be upon them.” (Leviticus 20:27)
“Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day shall be put to death.” (Exodus 31:15)
“But Jews came from Antioch and Iconium, and having persuaded the crowds, they stoned Paul and dragged him out of the city, supposing that he was dead.” (Acts 14:19)
“And as they were stoning Stephen, he called out, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” And falling to his knees he cried out with a loud voice, “Lord, do not hold this sin against them.” And when he had said this, he fell asleep.” (Acts 7:59-60)
“And set two worthless men opposite him, and let them bring a charge against him, saying, ‘You have cursed God and the king.’ Then take him out and stone him to death.” (1 Kings 21:10)
“EVERY word of God is flawless; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.“ (Proverbs 30:5) Every word includes the words as directly given above, period!
SupaDudz, just a thought, maybe you should remain silent to anything relative to Christianity from this time hence, because without question, you are on the Satanic road to being one of the most Bible ignorant fools on DEBATEART Religion forum!
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@nonjudgmental
nonjudgmental,
YOUR WEAK POST: "Whos this guy threatening to hit people with a bible? Another hypocrite who thinks hes hot shit for jesus. Do yourself a favor and go street preaching, see how your bible slapping does there."
Yes, Jesus and I do a lot of "Bible Slapping" within this forum that is chock full of the Bible ignorant pseudo-christians. No hypocrisy is involved whatsoever, because I follow ALL of the Bible's doctrine, understood?
I have noticed that you are obviously to embarrassed to fill out your biography page, is there a reason for this, scared? You are just another one of the new members that is "all talk and no action," which are a "dime-a-dozen" within this forum.
You are excused.
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@Vader
Addressing your RUNAWAY post AGAIN, you assume that you are a Christian, but at the same time, you RUNAWAY from discussing Jesus' true words in the links below, where I had to easily "school you" upon your complete Bible ignorance, understand Bible fool?
Now, seriously, to save yourself from adding even more proverbial egg upon your face, either address the links above, or forever be known upon this forum as just another Bible inept pseudo-christian on DEBATEART Religion forum! Do you comprehend? Yes? Maybe? Just a little bit? Huh?
Run along, I am sure your grade school recess is about to end, along with your assumed credo within the forum.
NEXT?
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@Vader
+++++++++ DEBATEART RELIGION FORUM, WE HAVE ANOTHER RUNAWAY PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN APPROPRIATELY NAMED SUPADUDZ! +++++++++
Yes, we have seen many RUNAWAY Christians from Jesus' true words in this forum, where SUPADUDZ will now be embarrassingly added to this ever growing list. This neophyte's claim to fame is simply him bringing up topics, and then when I address said topics showing his complete Biblical ignorance, he runs away from them and hides under his mommies apron strings! :(
The mounting posts where the newbie Bible fool SUPADUDZ has ran away from Jesus' true words in Ragnar's thread relative to priests and women are as follows:
1. POST #43: SUPADUDZ said that he calls his priest "Father," which is ungodly as shown in the passage that I gave him in my post below.
His response? HE RAN FROM JESUS' POST TO SAVE FURTHER EMBARRASSMENT!
2. POST #44: SUPADUDZ proffered that monks and nuns should be separated because of sexual desires in the church. I then stated that the Catholic priests and innocent children should be separated in the same manner so they are not buggered in the churches "rectory." His response? HE RAN FROM JESUS' POST TO SAVE FURTHER EMBARRASSMENT!
3. POST #62: SUPADUDZ, the Bible ignorant miscreant, said there should be no laws against homosexuals, but again, I had to bible slap him silly because our
Yahweh/Jesus stated that the only law there should be towards the homosexual, is to unfortunately murder them. :( His response? HE RAN FROM JESUS' POST TO SAVE FURTHER EMBARRASSMENT!
4. POST #63: SUPADUDZ was veering off the main topic of our esteemed Mr. Ragnar's main topic, therefore I asked him to respectfully stay on topic, this is because to address his blatant Bible stupidity, I too had to veer off upon the topic at hand. His response? HE RAN FROM FORUM ETIQUETTE TO SAVE FURTHER EMBARRASSMENT!
Regarding the Bible ignorant newb SUPADUDZ, its reasonable to just RUN AWAY from one post, but when there is many posts that this minion of Satan RUNS AWAY from, then it becomes an insipid pattern that Jesus will not put up with because a TRUE Christian is to defend the faith at all costs! (Titus 1:9)
SUPADUDZ is who he pretends to be, but fails miserably. Kids, you gotta love em as they try to spread their wings in an adult forum but get easily slapped silly when the TRUE words of Jesus are Brought forth, praise!
MY PERSONAL ONGOING AND UNGODLY LIST OF RUNAWAY PSEUDO-CHRISTIANS TO JESUS' TRUE WORDS ON DEBATEART RELIGION FORUM:
Ethang5
Tradesecret
Mopac
Melacharaz
FAUXLAW
RoderickSpode
EtrnlVw (MIA at this time because of brutally being Bible slapped silly)
SupaDudz
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SupaDudz,
Listen up, when our esteemed moderator RAGNAR brings forth a meaningful thread like this one, he does not like it when it veers off upon other topics than the initial theme, like you are doing with your child like posts. In turn, I can’t help but address your said Bible ignorant posts because Jesus sent me here to do just that!
Therefore, we both may get into trouble, as well as we should, especially since RAGNAR'S topic at hand is a synopsis to show that a TRUE Christian should think of a woman as a 2nd class citizen, especially when the Bible agrees with this notion ad infinitum, praise!
Therefore, we both may get into trouble, as well as we should, especially since RAGNAR'S topic at hand is a synopsis to show that a TRUE Christian should think of a woman as a 2nd class citizen, especially when the Bible agrees with this notion ad infinitum, praise!
“It is better to live in a corner of the housetop than in a house shared with a quarrelsome wife.” (Proverbs 21:9)
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SupaDudz,
YOUR UNBIBLICAL QUOTE AGAIN: "From that aspect, there shouldn't be a punishment for homosexuality."
WTF! Does your blatant biblical ignorance ever end? Huh?
What the hell do you mean there should be no punishment for homosexuality? AGAIN, you do not read the entire Bible! Are you purporting to know more than Yahweh/Jesus God? Are you calling Jesus, as Yahweh God incarnate, a LIAR relative to the following passages?!
Jesus' inspired words regarding the horrific act of homsexuality:
"If a man also lie with mankind, As he lieth with a woman, Both of them have committed an abomination: THEY SHALL SURELY BE PUT TO DEATH; their blood shall surely be upon them. " (Leviticus 20:13)
"For this cause God gave them up into vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, Leaving the natural use of the woman, Burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, And receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet. . . WHO KNOWING THE JUDGEMENT OF GOD, THAT THEY WHICH COMMIT SUCH TINGS ARE WORTHY OF DEATH, , Not only do the same, But have pleasure in them that do them" (Romans 1:26-27)
Tell us, did you just recently find a JUDEO-Christian bible on the sidewalk a few weeks back, and are now just starting to read it? It seems so, because I have seen really bible inept pseudo-christians before, but you are vying to be the #1 Bible inept pseudo-christian on this prestigious forum!!!
How utterly embarrassing for you within this forum. Sad indeed.
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@Stephen
Stephen,
You as a Hell Bound Atheist, can still post to this Bible Fool named FAUXLAW by not putting his Satanic name in the receiver space, but only name him within a regular post. Whereas I can do the same thing. In this way, it is better for the pseudo-christian FAUXLAW because he won't be peeing in his pants and in having to make up more Satanic sophomoric excuses to try and use against our superior biblical knowledge because he won't see us because we are blocked. The true action of a biblically inept pseudo-christian, is to RUN AWAY from Jesus' true words that we post in his Satanic behalf!
When bible inept pseudo-christians block me, Jesus holds me in high esteem because He knows that I am getting to the crux of the problem, and that is, these Bible fools are bastardizing the JUDEO-Christian Bible and I was sent here to combat this continuing problem, praise!
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SupaDudz,
YOUR QUOTE TO MY FRIEND DOC FRANKLIN: I know religion deeper than you probably do but go on and tell me how I am wrong. I grew up in a house of faith and have studied the bible and religion yet you tell me I'm wrong? Fucking pathetic. At least tell me why?
BACK OFF ON DOC FRANK, UNDERSTOOD BIBLE FOOL? Who in the hell do you think you are? Look at your perceived notion that you comically know more than Doc Frank upon bible topics, where as I had to easily "school you" upon calling your priest "father," when in fact you are going directly against the Bible as I have shown you in my post #43 and 59, THAT YOU CONTINUE TO RUN AWAY FROM as a pseudo-christian where you are NOT to call anyone "father" accept Jesus that is in heaven!
Our Great Doc Frank has forgotten more than you will ever know about the JUDEO-Christian bible, understand? When he smells blood of child like pseudo-christians like you, then Jesus allows the "Doc" to go into high gear and biblically mutilate his adversary in a "take no prisoners" modus operandi, therefore, walk softly around the Doc, because you DO NOT want to get on his bad side, understood? If I personally see you come down on him once again in a demeaning way, I WILL BIBLE SLAP YOU SILLY INTO NEXT WEEK, GET IT? GOOD!
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DOC FRANK: not that you need me to biblically wipe the floor with this grade-school pseudo-christian appropriately named SupaDudz, because you can do it yourself in the name of Jesus when severely provoked, but in any event, let me know if you ever need my assistance and Jesus and I will be there for you, okay?
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SupaDudz,
YOUR QUOTE THAT MATTERS NOT: "And I'm not a Catholic, I am an Orthodox Christian, the traditional beliefs and values and procedures of Jesus Christ and the early Christians"
I didn't say that you were a Catholic. What I proposed to you is good for any pseudo-christian like you, therefore what I stated was to be discussed in kind, get it?
Psst, uh, you RAN AWAY from me pointing out that you are NOT to call anyone father upon earth, why? AGAIN, where do you get the Biblical authority to call your PRIEST "father" in your post #26, where from now on subsequent to me easily "schooling you" in my post #43 upon the fact that you are not to call anyone father, except Jesus in Heaven, understood?! "And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven." (Matthew 23:9) The funny outcome on your embarrassing situation above is the fact that you state that you are well versed upon the scriptures and know more than Doc Frank in your post #30, huh? With you removing one foot to insert the other above, do you want to take back your inept statement that you know more than others about the Bible within this forum? NOT! LOL!!!
Why do pseudo-christians like you make it so easy for TRUE Christians like me to show you to be the Bible fools that you are on a continued basis?
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SupaDudz,
YOUR ERRONEOUS QUOTE: "The reason why nuns and monks are separated is to limit the sexual desire. This has stood still through countless times and won’t change cuz of one thing. "
With your quote above, then why hasn't through "countless times" the Catholic Priests stopped in continually buggering innocent little boys and girls ad infinitum? Huh? As a matter of fact, they are still doing it today throughout the world. Billions of hard earned offering plate monies have been spent for reparations to these children's parents, and to the children grown up later in life.
How apropos when an innocent crying child was brutally buggered by a Catholic Priest in the churches "rectory!" Yes? What is even worse, it the Catholic Church hid these atrocious acts by their pedophile priests by just moving them to another church in another part of the country. How ungodly can you get?!
DESPICABLE!
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SupaDudz,
YOUR UNGODLY QUOTE: "How is that in anyway prevalent to religion? I call my priest Father ____. Just say Mother _____"
The pseudo-christian faction here on DEBATEART still amazes me, where their biblical ignorance is without bounds!
SupaDudz, I would suggest that you actually READ your Bible and quit slapping Jesus in the face, instead of using it as a "door stop," understood? You are guilty of the following inspired by Jesus' words herewith:
"And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven." (Matthew 23:9)
You're excused.
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FAUXLAW,
YOUR RUNAWAY QUOTE FROM STEPHEN'S POST FROM JESUS' TRUE WORDS: "inconvenient? No, just bored by your tone. You hate the Bible. You hate God. That's your schtick. I get it. You're beating a dead horse. Do something else, yeah?"
As explicitly shown, you are only "bored" because you cannot address biblical contradictions , and remain intelligent looking in the aftermath other than to RUNAWAY from them! You are obviously also "bored" with me calling you out upon your ever so embarrassing and comical "Day-Age" theory relative to the contradicting Creation narratives in Genesis 1 and 2, where you continually run away from this notion of yours ad infinitum in other threads! HEADS UP, NO LANGUAGE THAT YOU MAY USE CAN HIDE THIS BLATANT FACT! UNDERSTOOD?
Therefore, why are you here on DEBATEART by letting some of the membership make you the Bible fool that you are? Do you gain some sort of ungodly pleasure when you are made the continued Bible fool, like its a fetish of yours, or a rush equal to taking Satanic drugs, is that it?
Don't you realize that Jesus is also watching you make a fool of yourself and Christianity with your Satanic claims, where someday you will have to answer to our Lord upon your demise? "Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account." (Hebrews 4:13)
Since you have blocked me from using you as a recipient to me addressing your bible ignorance, what's next? Are you going to be running to the moderators like a little girlie boy by whimpering to them and state: "Mr. moderator, Brother D. is chiding me because I can't address his biblical knowledge, because what I thought I knew about the Bible, I really didn't as Brother D. has adamantly shown me. Therefore, please make him stop making me the Bible fool, I deplore you to message him to make him stop so I can continue to spread lies upon this forum in the name of Satan, okay? Pleeeeeese get him off my back, okay, please!"
Blocking others is just another form of RUNNING AWAY from the true words of Jesus, whereas, Jesus tells us to defend the faith, where you can no more do this than to walk on water in the summertime because your MO in this forum is to disrupt it in the name of Satan!
"We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ," (2 Corinthians 10:5)
"He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it." (Titus 1:9)
"He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it." (Titus 1:9)
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FAUXLAW,
YOUR LAUGHABLE AND CONVENIANT RUNAWAY POST AGAIN: "And the Lord said, "Do not parse my words from one verse."?"
To prevent you from adding even more proverbial egg upon your face in front of the membership, list the chapter and verse where Jesus allegedly stated your quote above, otherwise, once again you are outright making a fool of yourself, where a TRUE Christian like myself just has to stand back and watch you mangle the scriptures in the name of Satan, understood? Yes?
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It is duly noted that the blatantly Bible ignorant FAUXLAW cannot address his own proposition of the Day-Age Theory relative to the Creation Story LOL!!!!!
Poor little pseudo-christian FAUXLAW got his hands caught in the cookie jar, because when I pressed him on HIS OWN DAY-AGE TOPIC that he proposed himself, he folded like a cheap suit! LOL
As easily shown, we have yet another RUNAWAY PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN from Jesus' true words on DEBATEART whose name is FAUXLAW, that will run away like a little girlie boy on any biblical axioms if the discussion of same supersedes his mental capacity. This means, he will RUN AWAY on all biblical axioms when they are presented to him!
With FAUXLAW's continued RUNNING AWAY from his own biblical propositions that I have brought forth, at least he admits that I easily own him, good for him!
FAUXLAW, what brand of "Running Shoes" do you wear, Nike? Adidas? Converse? Or? Please let the membership know, because I want to purchase stock in the company that you have chosen. This is because while you are here upon this forum, you will obviously go through thousands of running shoes which will make your chosen company's stock rise to great heights and I will make money upon your pseudo-christian runaway modus operandi, praise!
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RoderickSpode,
I will address your lame posts regarding Stephen and I are on the same page, and the Satanic Westboro Baptist Church, SUBSEQUENT to you talking about the following that YOU EMBARRASSINGLY KEEP RUNNING AWAY FROM, understood Bible fool? Obviously you went to the FAUXLAW pseudo-christian school on how to RUN AWAY from disturbing biblical verses!
Now, to the main crux of Stephens’s initial post, how do you feel about Jesus on yet another murdering spree of innocent children, where this time it is the first born in the land of Egypt? Do we still promote that our Jesus is “ever loving and forgiving?” Yes or no? To gain more followers to our faith, do we promote that our Jesus is a cruel and blatant serial killer of innocent babies and children? Awaiting a cogent answer this time bible fool!
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RoderickSpode,
What did you just do regarding the Bible? WTF!
As if your outright biblical ignorance wasn't enough, now you preclude that the Bible CONTRADICTS ITSELF because of the passages that you have shown in your post #9, relative to Stephen's initial post, and #4, and my post #6, are blatantly showing the complete opposite regarding who hardened Pharaoh's heart! Both biblical axioms cannot be true at the same time, therefore, now what?!
Were you sent here by Satan Himself, whereas you have thrown sand into the gas tank of our faith, because both hardening of the heart biblical axioms relative to Pharaoh cannot be TRUE at the same time, get it Satan incarnate? Bible Logic 101: Where there are contradictions, there are falsehoods, and where there are falsehoods, there are LIES because both biblical scenarios cannot be true at the same time, understood?
Since Roderick Spode has now shown that our Bible LIES, then how can we build a faith upon said lies?! BLASPHEME!
RoderickSpode, thanks a lot for opening yet another can of worms regarding our faith in Christianity! :(
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MODERATOR RAGNAR: Can you intervene post haste because RoderickSpode has enlightened us in showing that the JUDEO-Christian Bible has LIED to us as shown by just one example above relative to two blatantly contradicting positions of the hardening of Pharaohs heart! RoderickSpode is therefore obviously questioning whether we are to actually believe in the Bible since it is shown to be built upon LIES in this particular case.
We can only assume that RoderickSpode will now hit the TV circuit on Fox News, The Hannity Show, and Fox and Friends, etc. with this earth shattering news about Christianity being lied to within the scriptures! I am sure RoderickSpode will donate the funds he will be getting from these shows to the Christian churches to help them defray the costs of no more Christians being together on Sunday mornings anymore when this news gets out! In essence, no more passing the collection plates to keep the Pastor in his expensive clothing attire and new cars. aka, Joel Osteen.
SIDEBAR: RoderickSpode has jogged my memory, therefore, I unfortunately have other biblical axiom situations like the one herein that we can also discuss as well when you have the time.
Mr. Ragnar, awaiting your help upon this unbelievable topic at hand! Thanking you in advance.
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Fauxlaw,
THIS IS THE 5TH TIME YOU HAVE RUN AWAY FROM MY POST #23 REGARDING YOUR COMICAL "DAY-AGE" THEORY!
How many times do you have to RUN AWAY from me mentioning your comical "Day Age" theory relating to the Bible? Huh? Did your blatant biblical ignorance get caught again, and you do not want me to make you the continued Bible fool in front of the membership relative to your Bible ignorance on the topic at hand? Is this why you continue to RUN AWAY from my posts in question? Poor little Fauxlaw can't support his ungodly "Day-Age" proposition within the scriptures, so he has to run away like a little "girlie boy!" LOL!
How embarrassing do you want to get within this forum before you too have to leave like the equally Bible ignorant ETRNLVW did to save face? Huh?
RUN FAUXLAW, HURRY, KEEP RUNNING AWAY FROM YOUR "DAY-AGE" THEORY BECAUSE YOU OBVIOUSLY CAN'T DEFEND IT ....... RUN!
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