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@Ramshutu
Wow, solid advice. Thanks.
Do you find drinking coffee or energy drinks beforehand improves your comprehension or focus?
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@RationalMadman
Yeah I'll have to disagree there. I shouldn't be head mod. Not fit for it.
I'm musing on my two picks. Mm...
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@RationalMadman
I don't really make good posts these days. Preoccupation with mod stuff has drawn my attention away from participating in discussions in the forums.Castin and Outplayz.
I'll agree on Outplayz.
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@keithprosser
All right, I'm all caught up. Gonna have to solidly agree with the social commentary to escapism ratio. The Rosa Parks episode, the Partition of India one with the themes of religious tolerance -- definitely too much social commentary for my taste. The witch trials one was all right.
Spoilers below, you're warned people.
They keep getting rid of the characters I find interesting. What's-his-face's Nan -- interesting lady, died. That guy whose mother told him to jump out of the tree and she'd catch him, then let him fall -- interesting fellow as well, but of course he was just a one episode character. Then Mr. Medical Integrity, the medic who ran that ambulance ship -- interesting chap, but of course dies.
And they have yet to address the question on my mind. Why was the Doctor a white male in every single regeneration before, and has only now become something different?
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@thett3
I think call-out threads are trouble, period. If I allow one, we'd have to allow them all. And they're dynamite, because of their personal incendiary nature.so? it's a debate site, controversy is the entire point. usually calling something dynamite means its cool
The "point" of a debate site is to debate controversial issues in religion, politics, pop culture, etc. Call-out threads aren't about debating the issues, they're just about personal flamewars most of the time.
You kinda seem like someone who lives for site drama, so yeah I can imagine it must be a total buzzkill for you when mods do anything that shuts down site drama. My inner e-drama junkie totally groks that. I actually agree with you, fwiw -- the place does seem emptier when the controversial members are away. I like 'em and they defs add something to my experience of the site.
But to be clear, so you're saying you want a policy like: If Member A personally attacks Member B, and someone other than the victim (Member B) reports it, mods should have to ask the victim whether they agree with the report before they take any action against the rulebreaking?Context matters. This is a site with MAYBE two dozen members and three (four?) moderators, it wouldn't be that hard to take things on a case by case basis. I think it's a bit ridiculous that Wylted was banned for an entire week, on a site that really needs people, for an attack on me that I saw as banter. I am the victim here and am telling you i do not want any punishment for this action. shouldnt there be a way for me not to "press charges" so to speak?my friends and I used to box at this park. one time, it was night and from a distance it must've looked like we were actually fighting so someone called the police on us. when the police got there and we explained the situation, no one got in trouble even though we would've if we were actually fighting...do you see? context matters. I understand why you did what you did at first (even if i think it's excessive) but here i am explaining the situation...i was not offended, it was banter between friends...no reason to punish him
Sure, start a thread about it. Sounds like an idea worth kickin' around, I'd definitely be willing to consider it. To be clear, it's not up to me and I don't have any authority to make policy change happen, but we could see what the rest of moderation thinks, what the members think, nail down the pros and cons at least. Oh and again, the thread Wyl made about you did not exist in a vacuum. He wasn't temp banned for it alone. As you said, context matters.
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@thett3
Nowhere I'm aware of, obviously. I don't know why "airnax" was banned, but something the CoC does forbid is multi-accounting. Imposter accounts are often multi's.where in the coc does it say someone cant create an account that has a name similar to someone who used to be on ddo?
Imposter accounts are also ticking flamewar time bombs.
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@thett3
i disagree, you probably should ignore something if the ostensible victim isn’t offended. I didn't take it as an attack, I took it as banter between long time friends. under this standard I can’t make fun of my friends or vice versus because someone unaware of the context might view it as one person attacking another when that isn’t actually the case. Imo outside of something really egregious like doxxing i think you should interview the “victim”
I think call-out threads are trouble, period. If I allow one, we'd have to allow them all. And they're dynamite, because of their personal incendiary nature.
It's not like I don't try to read the room or gauge the feelings of the involved parties as a factor, though. And already personal attacks can go unmoderated if no one makes a report.
But to be clear, so you're saying you want a policy like: If Member A personally attacks Member B, and someone other than the victim (Member B) reports it, mods should have to ask the victim whether they agree with the report before they take any action against the rulebreaking?
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@thett3
I just base it on the tone of the message. If that attack thread he made about you had been an isolated incident, I wouldn't have recommended the temp ban, if it matters. On its own, in a vacuum, I would've said that incident merited a warning.
I take it you weren't the one who reported that thread then (I don't ask). But regardless of whether it bothered you, someone did report it, and call-out threads are blatant violations of the CoC under direct attacks. I totally get the whole "oh please who was it hurting" thing, trust me, but I also can't just ignore rulebreaking because no one's crying.
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That just doesn't sound like eth. He wouldn't impersonate someone and troll around.
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@bsh1
How the hell have I never heard of that, googled it and it looks friggin' delicious.
I'm so uncultured.
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@Logical-Master
Wyl was banned for some personal attacks. Ban'll be over in a few days.
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@bsh1
Aww. I know that feelz, man. What's your go-to. Ice cream is cliche, granted, but it is still ice cream and therefore always a valid choice.
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@Vader
I feel bad talking a whole lot about a guy who isn't here, or at least won't be here for a few more days. But like bish, I feel mean recommending even temp bans. And, y'know, there's the small matter that being the frowning authority goes against my nature and every atom of my being. I'm one of those personalities that sort of thrives on friendliness and humor, and I hate to be the bad guy -- and when you hand out a punishment to someone, you're the bad guy to them. That's how it works. Ugh.
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As you can see, he's a bit of a showboat.
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@Ramshutu
*Jedi hand wave* I've bought you a beer.
It was the beer to end all beers.
You drank it and fell to the ground, twitching in an epileptic seizure of sheer orgasmic beer lover's pleasure.
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@MagicAintReal
Good to know. ✔️ I'll bear it in mind.
The definitions of the involved terms, at least, is something I will still be sure to read in every debate specifically.
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@Vader
I have no problem with them and enjoy them. Feel free to spoof, parody, and make mock of my role in any given situation.
Mhar didn't really explain himself or anything, no knowing how serious his "stop" was or why he said it.
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Do you approve of Mike?
Yes: 0
No: 1
Do you approve of Bsh1?
Yes: 0
No: 1
Do you approve of Virtuoso?
Yes: 0
No: 1
Do you approve of Castin?
Yes: 1
No: 0
^ Only correct vote. Obviously.
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@MagicAintReal
Lol, I call my almost all female family "dude" erryday too.
Y'know I must say, you can make exhaustive debate descriptions. Whenever I think about voting I'm careful to read the definitions and terms. To be honest it's sometimes a factor in dissuading me from voting.
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@MagicAintReal
I call people of either gender "dude" and I further assert that its use as gender neutral should be widely accepted.
And it is most definitely underrated.
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I feel bad I didn't respond to this thread more quickly. I mean, before it immediately devolved into member fights and the events leading to Wyl's second temp ban happened. I figured I'd probably just make things worse by engaging, but responding to Wyl's rage post could have addressed legitimate questions concerning mod recusal or whatnot. If you're reading this, I'm sorry about that Wyl. When you get back, and if the "bitch fuck you" factor isn't too high, I'd be willing to make up for it and talk to you about this if you'd like. I expect it'll prolly be too high tho. Only natural.
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@RationalMadman
I thought the rap was awesome man.
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@MagicAintReal
Looks like one did. 🙂 Happy debating, my friend.
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@Mopac
Church tradition and scripture. It is really both.But not these things alone. Without The Spirit of Truth, what is it? The authority is really God.And the faith is not in men, but God The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
Well in both cases the authority is ultimately believed to be God's, but sola scriptura Protestants believe only scripture is an authority on what God's will is, whereas you seem to acknowledge extra-biblical sources as authorities on God's will and how it should be interpreted.
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@ethang5
Give them a second chance to do that, now that they know the score.How did bully do on his second chance?
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Yeah, dude I am being bullied. I swear there is a tighter leash on me than anyone. I am getting banned anyway but I would like all the mods to know I hope they stub there toes. They can go duck themselves
But ducks are most dangerous animal.
Seriously Wyl, it was like the second open personal attack reported in a matter of days, not counting the prior warning, and you weren't sorry for the first attack and you weren't sorry this time, your attitude was still that the CoC doesn't matter. Call-out threads are explicit violations, am I just supposed to cover my eyes and pretend there's not rulebreaking going on in front of me? It would probably just've gotten a warning from me without the context of your previous behavior this past week or so. And your anger and your clashes with others were just escalating anyway, you needed some time away from the site to cool off before you worked yourself up to doing something worse.
Anyway man, like I said: kick back for a week, take it easy, have a brew, trash me viciously to your buds, get the rage out, say "fuck DART" a few hundred times if necessary, and thou shalt return a troll hero, to take your shining place in the Valhalla of Mod Rebels. The thrown panties and jock straps of mod haters shall be thine. As long as I don't get any more reports of you personally attacking people and violating the CoC, you'll be free to enjoy the fame. Infamy? Well, whichever.
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@Mharman
-Castin jokes about the situation.
Doesn't sound like me.
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@Mopac
And this is one of the big differences between Orthodoxy and protestantism.The protestants base everything off of scripture, and so they are stuck with just that.The Orthodox Church has church tradition and scripture, which the church itself compiled.In other words, Orthodoxy does not base its doctrine on scripture. The church knew what it believed before the New Testament was canonized.But we certainly celebrate Christmas.
Yeah, I grew up among Protestants who are undeniably and proudly sola scriptura. They believe anything outside the Bible is just the claims of men, not the word of God. It seems to be a question of where you choose to place authority. They place authority in the book, you place authority in the church.
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@keithprosser
Is that going to become more apparent the more episodes I watch? Cuz that'll be a bummer. I love me some Who for its wild escapism.
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@keithprosser
I only just gave the new season a try, three or four episodes in so far. Gotta say, the eps aren't great. I'm gradually starting to really like Whitaker's Doctor, but the plots have been meh and I find the companions are pretty weak as characters. I do kinda like Graham.
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Wasn't that why the Puritans of New England once outlawed Christmas? They considered its traditions pagan and un-Christian and found no scriptural justification for the holiday?
In any case, I'm happy to see Christians engage in pagan rituals. Pagans knew how to party, man. Christians need a lesson. 😎
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@Outplayz
@Ramshutu
Didn't have to justify it much with me. I agree with your decision. Just wanted to make sure it wasn't for the latter offense at which point i would have started a firestorm of mod hate speech.. yes, even against my queen. You are in the crosshairs now my queen. I'm sorry, but i must... in order for the kingdom to survive, be harsh on you too. But seriously, good decision. I don't think his debating rights should be banned for too long personally, but i agree with the decision overall so whatever you guys do, short of a perm ban, i agree with.
Excuse me but bish is obviously the queen. Where's this "my queen" stuff comin' from. I am like... the court jester in your crosshairs or something. Let's be accurate.
And g'head, flame away. When a fire breaks out I'm more the type to light my cigar on it than grab an extinguisher, anyway. And Wyl only got a week long debate ban.
If you had taken the bet, I gaurentee you it would have been up to 12 pages.
I understand. I've lied to myself before, too.
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@bsh1
@ResurgetExFavilla
You can always start an unmoderated debate if you want mods to fuck off and give you some space to get rough. I watch that shit with popcorn.Most people want mod interaction that covers the basics, like doxxing or threats, without the nannying aspects. But that's not an option.
That true, bish? Seems like something that should be looked into, if so.
So the site is going to lose one of its better, controversial debaters over a dumb, jokey accusation? I could see a temp ban, but a permanent one just seems a bit retarded to me fam.
He wasn't permanently banned from anything.
I tend to like anyone who's stimulated my sense of humor so I'm not personally thrilled I had to bounce him.
Hit or miss is powerful, and it is stirring your memetic potential. Embrace the chaos and you can break free.
Why do you sound like a Sith Lord whispering into my ear. And why am I disturbingly cool with that.
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@Ramshutu
This was a bad time to get hit with a snowstorm that knocked out my internet intermittently.
I'll bet 10 pages. Willing to take that bet?
Damn, I would totally have taken this. And won, too. Page 6, one hour before midnight. Who's fabulous.
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@Outplayz
Ram and bish were correct. The important factor was that the lie was weaponized in a personal attack of reasonably hefty caliber, and dishonesty in general is not an offense. The lie and the personal attack happened as one event, kinda got referred to as a package, and I honestly should've made it clearer in my mod language, considering. Hindsight, live and learn, yada yada.
Frankly I don't think this was either the vilest thing I've ever seen in debate or a non-event that should've been ignored. Nothing less than solid doxxing or threats would probably get my Vilest Conduct Award, but this was still an obviously dirty blow that crossed the line, easily snags at least a Dishonorable Conduct or something. The mods and I are in agreement there. But even then, let's keep it in perspective. It was one dirty blow in a debate. And I'm not gonna recommend a permaban or long term ban for one dirty blow in a debate. He crossed a line. He was penalized. He will return shortly and be given another chance. That's all.
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wtf? Whitey shouldn’t be allowed to say it. All you’re doing is proving my point, he’s literally incapable of not oppressing the black man. Tyrone (the real one) opted not to join the site after I told him about bsh. This site badly needs diversity but we aren’t gonna get it with a moderation team that’s steeped in white supremacy
As for the substance of the thread, this site's moderation team continues to be a joke -- a bunch of pathetic control freaks who have nothing going for them in real life, venting their frustrations by abusing the power they've been granted over some obscure debate site.
My new bet is 6 pages by midnight.
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@Mharman
Called it."Would anyone like to place bets on how many pages this thread will be by a certain time. I want to say at least three pages by noon tomorrow. "Correct.
Bow before my glory, bish. "47 posts"... Bitch, please.
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@ethang5
@thett3
Or someone who wins the vote as best liked. People are weird.
Ikr, someone won best liked when the site was all of two days old and had a population of five people. Clearly I am a universal star. I'll put that on my resume, I will.
i still can’t believe that black people aren’t allowed to call each other “nigga” on this site. Typical whitey still trying to restrict the black man even after all these years. it’s no coincidence that bsh comes from one of the last states to abolish slavery
Don't know what you're talking about, afaik you can say nigga now if it's not intended to offend. Did you miss the threads discussing the policy changes?
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@RationalMadman
Poor airmax, have we had a single debacle where his name wasn't somehow dragged through it? I'm trying to think... there was the left-wing thread shitstorm, the right-wing thread shitstorm... I want to say that in every debacle involving mod complaints he was brought up somehow... wait, the Tyrone thing. Was that our first airmax free shitstorm? I can't remember his name being brought up in that.
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@ethang5
She is supposed to lend credibility to the whole charade.
Idk, you'd think they would've picked someone who swears less often.
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@ResurgetExFavilla
In any case, a ban was not my first go-to. I just told him to publicly take back the lie and apologize and he'd only get a brief suspension from the formal debate side of this site, and if he'd done that he'd be here talking to us right now. Gave him many chances to do it -- too many, I'm sure some thought -- and he refused. So I waited until after he made this thread and recommended a 3 day ban. He'll be back soon, and somehow... oh, somehow... I think we'll all get on with our lives.Lol wtf? Grovel and apologize and you will be spared? A lie = a personal attack? Sorry, I know you didn't make the promise, but this is hilarious in light of assurances that moderation would be laissez-faire. If someone insults their opponent during a debate without something serious like doxing or threats, or lies, the voters punish them with a loss. There's no need for moderation to get involved. And if such a line is crossed, it's absurd to give someone a chance to grovel in order to avoid punishment. Just administer the punishment prescribed for whatever infraction took place.
If someone personally attacks you with some vicious PM lie in the closing round of a formal debate so that you can't even counter in a next round or attempt to provide evidence defending yourself, and you consider that fine, don't report it. If someone does report it happening to them in objection to that behavior, I'm not gonna let it stand. Deal with it, mate.
You can always start an unmoderated debate if you want mods to fuck off and give you some space to get rough. I watch that shit with popcorn.
And his punishment was suspension from debate, which was gonna happen no matter what and will still be in effect once his temp ban expires. I don't really consider it groveling to own up to your own lie and admit your mistake, but you can call it whatever you like. P.S. I freakin' love the new pic for reasons I can't explain.
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@drafterman
Wait... Is it a bannable offense to lie about what's been said in a PM?
I considered the offense to be personal attack. A personal attack that took the form of lying about something said in a PM to win a debate. My reason: in the final round of that debate Wyl completely abandoned his arguments and didn't engage any of bish's arguments, instead attacking bish's personal character with some random nasty lie, which I was given evidence was definitely a lie. Baffling.
It's no big deal. Wylted for some reason insisted there are no limits or standards in a debate and anything goes, even lies and personal attacks, and needless to say, moderation (in this case moi) disagreed. You can't abandon the arguments of a debate to personally attack and lie about your opponent. If you can't win based only on your arguments, just take the damn loss for Christ's sake, learn from it and do better later.
In any case, a ban was not my first go-to. I just told him to publicly take back the lie and apologize and he'd only get a brief suspension from the formal debate side of this site, and if he'd done that he'd be here talking to us right now. Gave him many chances to do it -- too many, I'm sure some thought -- and he refused. So I waited until after he made this thread and recommended a 3 day ban. He'll be back soon, and somehow... oh, somehow... I think we'll all get on with our lives.
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@Mopac
Well, I hope they don't get sick. If that means anything.
I think it means you're being a good Christian about it, but I'm no expert.
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@Vader
Thanks to Supa for coming up with the awards and hosting them, as well.
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@DebateArt.com
@RationalMadman
@Jboy3r
Congrats, boys.
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@Raltar
Our site heraldry should literally be two warrior ducks locked in mortal combat.
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@Raltar
Hey if I could I would, trust me.
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