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@AdaptableRatman
Amazing, so all the other vitriol spewers here and you pick on me? I barely am rude at all nowadays.I do have manners and jave been honest and patient with you since we met, tbh too honest.If you want people here that cry and quit over the word 'art' in the name and think that is the issue, be my guest and leave. We have much bigger issues.
I want new people, period. Just saying I don't want to miss out on any valuable newcomers because of a misunderstanding that I hadn't considered. More users should be one of our highest priorities.
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@AdaptableRatman
Tsk tsk. You used to at least pretend to have manners if someone wasn't on your shit list yet.
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@AdaptableRatman
Debateart does not sound like that. Only Barney said he thinks so, so far.
Imagine you're a stranger to the site who is seeing that url for the first time. You might make that mistake at first glance. And many will only give it a first glance.
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@Lemming
Are there any story elements in it at all? So far I found one character with a bit of backstory (warrior girl who had her horns cut off for dishonor) and a few journal fragments with some plot in them... but that's it. The gameplay is great but I guess I'm really missing some narrative.
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@LucyStarfire
In this game, you can stack up items. If you have 10 same spells, you can place them on each other to improve them. Same with swords.
*facepalm*
Oh my god. All the wasted loot...
I was wondering why magic was so weak. I'm supposed to be stacking spells aosdufaosduf;oadrshj;wr3=q283-qwfdjuasdoifa;lsid goddamn it.
I'm dual wielding now (finally discovered the trainers). I wanted the ability to parry and I have always hated my char having a shield constantly on their forearm even in dialogue. Idk why. There is something genuinely irritating to me about it. Who walks through a city with a shield, like, ON their arm at all times? Unless they're a guard? It clips through shit too. Why wouldn't you just have a shield-on-back animation/bone, it's so simple -- no, I'mma stop. I'mma stop.
I've learned earth magic and alchemy but neither are doing much for me yet.
Summoning magic is strong, but I find it annoying because summoned creatures are so slow to defeat enemies.
My demon dude just hates me. I'm sure of it. He does not want to be here. He hangs back and unenthusiastically slashes once in a while. That's it.
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For rebranding, so far I like DebateOwl, and netspat is really cute. thewarofwords.com isn't bad. It would be abbreviated TWOW, then. Sounds like the noise a minion would make. Or an Ewok.
Rebranding can sometimes rejuvenate, so I'm not opposed to it. I do understand the qualm that debateart sounds like we're debating art... never thought of that, actually. I'd forgotten, but when Mike first chose debateart as the url, I thought it was an odd choice.
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@David
There's always been a conflict of interest on this site between the people who want rough, free discourse and people who want cleaner conduct with stronger rules. You can't please one without displeasing the other, unless you create different sectors of the site with different moderation policies. The groups you've got planned would accomplish that.
As for new features, goddamn it I miss signatures. Being able to put my favorite quotes in my post sig and stuff. A frivolous request, but me miss mah self-expression.
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@LucyStarfire
I've never played as a pure mage. I can't imagine playing without my enchanted superswords. Also I am addicted to stealth archery, it's almost a medical problem... Did you max enchanting and Illusion? You can become almost a god with boosted gear and high level summons plus Harmony. Also, Shout magic.
Lol remember when Alduin talks to you for the first time and then says, "Lol you don't even know wtf I'm saying, do you, you pleb."
Bro I don't NEED to know what you're saying I just need the FUS RO DAH. I'm gonna culturally appropriate your language into your FACE.
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The greatest recurring irritation to me in games is when an ugly armor has high stats and the coolest looking armors are paper. Ugh.
And when it comes to just clothing, honestly, the most dangerous thing to be in any game I play is an NPC with a cool outfit. I be straight up knocking people out to steal their clothes. I pass these people and I'm like, "Ooh, that looks nice." *Thunk* "Lemme just loot that off you..."
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Kenshi. It got such great reviews. But it's not a quest-driven game, and without quests I feel so adrift. You can start from one of a dozen backgrounds, play as different races, wild character customization -- love the gameplay -- but there is no direction the game gives you once you start. It just drops you in the desert world. Survive. Thrive. Or not. And I'm bad at those kinds of games. I find myself not playing it, but I feel like I'm missing out on a lot just because I can't get the hang of this "make your own story" thing.
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@Greyparrot
That sounds way OP'd. Bad gameplay design. Won't be surprised if they polish that out in final. Again, best to wait for the finished product. Or just don't use the shields. The temptation may be too great, though. Like when I told myself I'd do a runthrough of Kingdom Come: Deliverance without St. George's sword, or play Skyrim without god-tier potion-boosted enchanted equipment. Ha. Ha ha. Can't do it.
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@Greyparrot
Bellwright looks great but I'd rather play a vintage game than play early access. No finishing touches can be suuuper frustrating once you're really into the flow of the game.
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@LucyStarfire
I need to get that teleport stone ASAP then, my stupid horse isn't coming when I whistle. So far that mage has just sent me to activate an altar past some velociraptor things that are tearing me to bits. I'm so fucking squishy, spend all my time spamming dodge.
Some other tips, this isnt a game where you play as warrior or mage. You either play as mage, warrior-mage, or archer-mage. You use spells irrelevant of which class you choose. There are spells for warriors, such as spells which provide protections, strength, health and dexterity. Spells for archers are similar.
I've been alternating between all three, I didn't think it would force me to choose.
Haven't learned any other magics or skills yet and I'm not sure how to get them, I can't unlock them with skill points. They must unlock as I level up.
You dont get that in Skyrim.
If you don't feel weak enough at the beginning of Skyrim you need to raise the difficulty.
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@AdaptableRatman
I would decline, this regime is a lesser evil to those 2.
But what could possibly go wrong
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@LucyStarfire
I vote we cede all moderating positions to LucyStarfire, AdaptableRatman, and Wylted, and then just sit back and see what happens.Can moderators ban each other?
Nope. You would be an unholy Triumvirate, as equal in power as in chaotic potential, like three dark Sith whose infernal lightsabers can slay anyone but each other, preventing the rise of any one Sith Emperor.
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@LucyStarfire
Your precious Two Worlds doesn't have fast travel either, except at certain waystations, and even Morrowind has that. The horse controls are awful in TW, btw. The voice acting is worse than a 3 AM infomercial. But other than that it's a pretty fun little game. Reminds me of Fable in graphics design.
I loved Skyrim, will never understand anyone's beef with it. Love me some dragons and Shout magic.
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I really hate the human tendency to attribute every misfortune that befalls our ideological enemies to the hand of God.
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@21Pilots
It's something to do with meows, I think.
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@21Pilots
I like Adele. I like Lewis Capaldi.Those are singers with good talent, I was more focusing on those who edit their voices or lip sync
Ah, the autotune babies. Your Jojo Siwas, if you will. Yeah, not a fan.
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I vote we cede all moderating positions to LucyStarfire, AdaptableRatman, and Wylted, and then just sit back and see what happens.
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@Swagnarok
Listen to this whole song (2023) with headphones and then tell me if you've changed your mind.
O_O
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@Lemming
Fair points.But I've straws to grasp at.I'm not trying to convince you or myself of the truth of the Bible,But I do find it fun to puzzle over the Bible at times, or think on how X 'could work, or what use people see out of it.I also think my knowledge of it is extremely poor, and a bit pretzel twisted sometimes.While some other times, some other parts I easily cherry pick at face value.Rev 21:8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”apistos: Unbelieving, faithless, unfaithfulOriginal Word: ἄπιστοςPart of Speech: AdjectiveTransliteration: apistosPronunciation: AH-pees-tosPhonetic Spelling: (ap'-is-tos)KJV: that believeth not, faithless, incredible thing, infidel, unbeliever(-ing)NASB: unbelieving, unbelievers, unbeliever, incredible, unbelieving one1. (actively) disbelieving, i.e. without Christian faith2. (specially) a heathen3. (passively) untrustworthy (person) or unbelievable, incredible (thing)'Could be unbelieving and unfollowing in Gods message, constantly straying, even farther than those who follow his message and ideals, but not God.Though maybe one can argue God 'is his message in a way.Did ever any man believe in horsemanship, and not in horses? or in flute–playing, and not in flute–players? - PlatoOne is tied to the other maybe, identified by and with.
- Mark 16:16: "Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned."
14Later, as they were eating, Jesus appeared to the Eleven and rebuked them for their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they did not believe those who had seen Him after He had risen.Comes right before/ Could one argue he was specifically speaking of people of that time period and locations?Who had already heard him speak, had already seen his miracles?Ought to have had enough proof?Yet still harbored hardness in their hearts against what he exposed as good actions?
- John 3:18: "Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."
19And this is the verdict: The Light has come into the world, but men loved the darkness rather than the Light because their deeds were evil. 20Everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come into the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. 21But whoever practices the truth comes into the Light, so that it may be seen clearly that what he has done has been accomplished in God.”fCondemned for how long though?And are they condemned because the New Testament asserts Jesus and his messages to be the best if not 'only way to salvation and good.And in following other paths, are likely to stray, though perhaps some more than others.Though some perhaps would, even in the hereafter, have an easier time getting back on the path.Some take the fires of hell, not to be literal, but of the suffering one will endure on an evil path.Of the crucible that smelts out the impurities.
- Acts 4:12: "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved".
In the 'end, supposedly it 'would be God,If we supposed someone lived life as a good person, but had never heard of the Bible or any there in.They still would not end up in any deities court but God, as the Bible asserts there are no other Gods but God. I think.
The Bible is definitely fun to puzzle over. Some interesting points here. Ultimately it's all down to interpretation, but I'm skeptical that the Christian community in general would ever accept someone who followed Christ's teachings yet denied Christ himself.
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Red Dead Redemption 2. There's a creepy guy living in the swamp north of Saint Denis. He invites you into his house (creepily). I really enjoyed the revenge story that unfolded from the last creepy people who invited me into their house, so I go in. Dude hits Arthur over the back of the head. Camera cuts to a first person view of Arthur looking up at the ceiling and the creepy guy kneeling over him, talking (creepily). Fade to black. Arthur wakes up in the wilderness. Nothing stolen. He groans and says "Oh... my... Lord." I wonder if I got him SA'd for the rest of the game and feel terrible about it.
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Just started playing Morrowind for the first time and Jesus Christ.
I thought the Windhelm Nords were racist in Skyrim. They got nothing on Morrowind Dunmer. It's like they invented xenophobia. At least the Nords didn't enslave anyone -- Morrowind Dunmer be just casually enslaving Khajiit and Argonians left and right. Every tavern I go into seems to have some poor kitty or lizard shackled up in the basement. Every bandit lair has a cell full of slaves. And everybody calling me n'wah and telling me to gtfo. SORRY I'M AN IMMIGRANT, GAWD. These are some seriously nationalist isolationist chaps.
That said, this game is crazy good in some ways. The culture and landscape are truly unique. It feels huge, huger than Skyrim and Oblivion somehow. Maybe because there's no fast travel?
- I can fly/levitate?? Why did they make this go away?
- Spells can FAIL Jesus Christ this is frustrating.
- To advance in any guild you have to meet skill requirements. This stops me from burning through the ranks too quickly, I like it a lot. Also makes advancement feel authentic. Can't become guildmaster without truly mastering the skills required.
- I met A DWEMER. A still-living Dwemer. Holy shit. It's in the dungeon of a mad 4,000-year-old wizard who invites you to steal from his collection of legendary artifacts. Ignore his four wives that are actually his magical constructs or something.
- No quest markers, just gotta listen and follow directions.
- You can join every guild but there will actually be some conflicts and decisions of loyalty, unlike in later games where your various guilds weren't very aware of your involvement in the others.
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Whereby the user, Castin, will record herein a random stream of consciousness about any and all videogame intellectual properties she is currently partaking of, ad nauseam. Perchance.
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@AdaptableRatman
I refuse to deny Father's true nature unlike many modern Christians (yes, including Catholics).He is my Lord. I am his servant.It is as simple as that. Christ is the King person we envision, to have the loving relationship with Father and Holy Spirit is the one that helps us feel both.I fear God. I love God. I am his whimpering servant if he wishes me to be but he so far loves me enough to have mercy.
Where did this come from?
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What was that one time everything was shit?What the fuck helped you not kill yourself.
Nothing but mom. If she weren't around, I'd've done it. No question.
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@sadolite
Why is it surprising?
I guess I thought you'd be a Christian with traditional ideas about God. Serves me right for making assumptions, even if they were subconscious ones.
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@sadolite
I am not angry with God, if in fact there is one. What angers me is people who speak on behalf or for God, if in fact there is a God. If there is a God, I am pretty much indifferent to God. I think if there is a God that God doesn't give a shit weather I go to heaven or hell. The bible is supposedly the word of God. From what little I know of it, I will probably go to hell. I would think the creator of everything would know best where I belong.
Surprised to hear this from you, tbh.
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@LucyStarfire
You got no idea the kind of praying I've done in my life.You are not doing any praying now. God doesnt love those who quit praying.
Experimentation indicates prayer and nonprayer produce identical results.
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@LucyStarfire
Your choice. But I feel like that approach is probably what's causing your social Machiavellianism.I watch videos which educate me on how to mock all other people. Machiavellianism is one part of my education.
Idk. Play fake games, win fake prizes.
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Job refuses to curse or deny God despite his agonies, but I would argue his faith in God -- his belief in a just, good, and wise deity -- shatters completely. He calls God a tyrant, a bully, an abuser, a malevolent spectator who mocks the pain of the innocent, and the enemy of hope.
Job is my favorite book of the Bible. It's so raw and honest.
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@Mharman
Weird thing is I'm generally a maniac in GTA games. I guess because I'm not given a choice whether to be moral or not. You're always playing an unhinged criminal. If I have a choice of playstyles, I feel responsible for my choice.
So you've never played like Star Wars, Fable, Fallout, ES, etc? You could do some psycho things in Dragon Age too. Maybe you're not big on RPGs.
In KOTOR II you meet this random guy in a rundown area of the city flooded with refugees. He was desperate to find his wife, who was also a refugee, but they had gotten separated and he'd crossed the stars to find her. One of the dialogue options is something like "(Lie) I remember her. She died, alone, calling out your name." Lol, such casual cruelty they made available to you. I think you can lie to his wife as well when you find her. Idk, I could never bring myself to explore options like that.
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@LucyStarfire
Maybe you just need to find people chill with the 'tism like that.Yeah, but that is too much work. Easier to put on a mask and learn how relationships with normal people work. I cant really change people around me either now. But I can use mask they like.
Your choice. But I feel like that approach is probably what's causing your social Machiavellianism.
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@LucyStarfire
Ah I see. Lots of people with autism struggle with socializing (and socializing is already hard enough for allists). So long as someone gives me the heads-up that they're on the spectrum, I'm pretty understanding of anything untoward they might say. Maybe you just need to find people chill with the 'tism like that.
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@AdaptableRatman
I wouldn't ask the dude to moderate again. He served his time and doesn't deserve getting put through that again. I'd just like him back. He'd be a great contributor to the site.
I really missed what went on with you becoming a mod and then getting demoted. No idea what's going on with you and David.
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@LucyStarfire
What the heck are you saying/doing to these people to make them hate you is what I'm asking
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Sometimes I think there's nothing this site loves more than moderation drama.
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I'm sure he's out there somewhere, but I was hoping someone had a lead.
Eh, if I was him I probably woulda cut ties completely too.
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@LucyStarfire
You shouldn't be applying the same rules to your personal relationships. That's darkUse value theory applies to all relationships. Person must be attracted by something you actually offer. If you have no use value, expect poor resuts.
Eesh. Now we're applying economic theory to personal relationships. Who hurt you, bro.
All relationships involve give and take, yeah, but if they feel superficial and transactional, you're doing it wrong. And if you're still masking a lot in your closest friendships, you're doing it wrong.
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@Lemming
'Is failure to worship worse than raping and murdering a child?The Sheep and the Goats (Partial)
41 Then He will say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.42 For I was hungry and you gave Me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave Me nothing to drink,43 I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, I was naked and you did not clothe Me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after Me.’
44 And they too will reply, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’
45 Then the King will answer, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for Me.’
46 And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”Readiness at Any Hour (Partial)47 That servant who knows his master’s will but does not get ready or follow his instructions will be beaten with many blows.48 But the one who unknowingly does things worthy of punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be required; and from him who has been entrusted with much, even more will be demanded.A Tree and Its Fruit (Partial)21 Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven.22 Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’
23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness!’I only ask because I don't know, these three example are one's I Google shallowly picked from vague memory, not examples I've read before in depth, or have looked at other people's views of them.I suppose one also might get creeped out by the eternal punishment line, but I shrug my shoulders, action and reaction is an eternal truth of science (I think)Something can be eternal, without our participation being eternal.A person is eternally tortured by their own evil actions, until they change, maybe.
Matthew 25:31-46 is one of my favorite passages. It's a lovely theology where your entrance to heaven is defined by how kind you were in this life. If it stood alone in the Bible, then even atheists could get into heaven if they were kind.
But unfortunately you have passages like Rev 21:8:
- But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”
You can pull many different theologies from the Bible. Some Christians I have met honestly believe that Matthew 25:31-46 will be what determines how everyone gets into heaven. But most Christians of my experience hold that you must be saved by Jesus, or else you will enter hell. And in their defense, that theology is well supported by the Bible.
- Mark 16:16: "Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned."
- John 3:18: "Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."
- Acts 4:12: "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved".
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@WyIted
A lot of people say that Machiavelli was writing satire to criticize the royals but it somehow ironically becoming a sort of guide book for the modern day equivalent.
I've always heard this and hoped it was true, but never came across anything definitively pointing that way.
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@LucyStarfire
Machiavelli was a political theorist. He wasn't writing a guidebook for all social relationships, just for the political sphere. Politics are by their very nature cutthroat, power driven, and pretense-oriented. You shouldn't be applying the same rules to your personal relationships. That's dark, bro.
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I just don't think he's up there, man. There's no one to be angry at.
If anything, I'm disturbed by the existence of a theology where failure to worship is a worse crime than raping and murdering a child.
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