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@AdaptableRatman
Mharman decided to spew slurs on a now-censored thread and crash out over being told to act mature and obedient to rules.

Mharman is among the single worst options for mod ever.
Never known Mhar to act like this.
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@LucyStarfire
Is it just the suppressing-your-darker-impulses part.
No one in the world is actually good. We can pretend to be good by saving some game characters, but it is stupid.
Jesus tits on a fish, this again. What is going on with your inexorable moral nihilism? Has no one ever treated you well? Were you raised by a troupe of Littlefingers? 

Never found that to lead to any of the three.
You never even tried it.
You got no idea the kind of praying I've done in my life.
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Why didn't I hear about this back in '07 that's crazy
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Just looked it up. I think I'mma buy this.
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@LucyStarfire
The other schools aren't useless and boosting mana and mana regen helps a lot. And are you even using Shouts at all.

And tf is Two Worlds, I never hearda this.
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@LucyStarfire
I don't get the complaint, Destruction was always the offensive school of magic. Alteration is for protecting you from claws and tail swipes and dragon fire. It's pretty common for devs to make you unable to perform effects like Calm, Paralyze, and whatnot on high-tier enemies. Makes boss fights too easy. Granted, dragon combat can be a bit harder for pure mage builds, but if you use alchemy and enchanting to jack yourself up you can blast dragons from the sky.

I hate being completely good. It is annoying.
Is it just the suppressing-your-darker-impulses part.

for her benefits means whatever leads her to sexual satisfaction, wealth and security
So praying to God then.
Never found that to lead to any of the three.

Especially the first one.
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@Greyparrot
So I'm playing an evil disembodied hand trying to free an evil princess from the forces of good? Wow.
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Hey, this is great news! Super excited to see how you innovate the site.
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@LucyStarfire
I cant play as good.
Why not
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@Lemming
That's definitely been my experience also. It's really difficult to be moral at the expense of significant progress and rewards. An evil achievement is easy to pass up, but phat lootz? Hard. Depends on how evil I have to be to get the phat lootz, though. I couldn't bring myself to join the Dark Brotherhood even though I reeeeaaaally wanted Shadowmere. Killing a rare animal I need to make a quiver that will hold more arrows, though? I find myself doing stuff like that every time.

In a spaceship game FTL,
Game can be pretty hard, every bit of money one can get, can be the difference between winning and losing,
I'm more tempted to be evil
Oof, yeah this must be tempting. Wylted and LucyS would probably hit that without compunction. 

I wonder if people who enjoy horror movies, villain movies and shows, play villains more in video games.
I wonder if people who play evil are in general more able to place self over socialization and people who play good are more prone to place socialization over self.
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@WyIted
Uncle Ted calls it over socialization. There are some natural human responses to this temptation such as religion  which even has fallen to over socialization to a certain point. You are conditioned to be subordinate to the needs of others, many of who could give a shit less about you. Maybe you are quiet in a theatre out of respect for others but you see others yell chicken jockey or scream "watch out' . You probably feel an urge to agree to help friends when you don't want to, friends who don't feel the same urge by the way. 

This over socialization is going to impede on your happiness and your ability to do what you want in life. Socialization is good but you probably should try to intentionally develop something to combat this. Maybe a strict ethical framework like "I only do stuff that benefits me" and then before you make a decision you tell yourself that phrase. 

This over socialization is so programmed into you that you even use it when controlling pixels on a screen. The good news is you can also practice breaking it with those same pixels 
Lol, you may have gotten too much right for comfort, actually. I am probably oversocialized. But isn't "I only do what benefits me" the opposite end of the spectrum -- like, going full asshole, where you never do anything to help others and selfishness is your highest value. Idk if I want to suppress my social conditioning to that extent. But maybe you have a point and I could stand to be a bit more balanced... Like if I can't even lower my inhibitions in a game, damn.
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@LucyStarfire
Are you the Meowsiah?
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Does it matter if there exist a "God"?
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@IlDiavolo
Many people are online to debate whose identity politics are superior, theists and atheists included, and whether God exists is relevant to many of those arguments.

There's no real-world benefit to arguing with strangers online. You do it for the engagement/entertainment value.

What do you think, dear atheist? Have you ever thought about what it would happen if you accept that God exists? I tell you what would happen. Nothing. It's worthless. So, next time a religious guy tells you that there is a God, just reply "yes, I agree" and turn back to your duties. Be happy. 
I've thought very hard about becoming a theist, many times. I wouldn't say that "nothing" would happen if I did -- it would fundamentally change the way I see the universe and my place in it.
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Did God condone slavery?
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@yachilviveyachali
My argument is that God has to deal with the sinful nature of humans. I believe He dislikes slavery, but may have tolerated it among the Hebrews for reasons I don't quite know. Maybe He wanted to appease the Hebrews? God knows how flawed we are.

What I do know is that God has made numerous covenants, with the final being the covenant of Christ. Although slavery is mentioned in the New Testament, the emphasis is on giving, which seems to be something we all have to do. Most importantly, God gave us free will, which I interpret as Him being for freedom and not slavery. While it is true God wants us to submit to Him, He is not willing to take from us the choice. A slave owner does not consider this. It is a human creation resulting from human sin, that exists across the world in significant ways to this day.
We're three pages in, and nothing I have heard has yet explained why, if God loves freedom, if God thinks slavery is a sin, he would say this:

"As for the male and female slaves whom you may have, it is from the nations around you that you may acquire male and female slaves. You may also acquire them from among the aliens residing with you and from their families who are with you who have been born in your land; they may be your property. You may keep them as a possession for your children after you, for them to inherit as property. These you may treat as slaves, but as for your fellow Israelites, no one shall rule over the other with harshness."

Passages like this did great harm; slavers of the antebellum South pointed to them as justification for slavery. God could have done much to discourage slavery if he had simply said that slavery was a sin.

It seems to me that the biblical God was fine with the practice of slavery, though he had his prescriptions about it, and that Christians have collectively retconned God as anti-slavery.

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Feel a definite inability to go evil, dark side, low honor, what have you.

Oh, I can take Arthur Morgan on a wild rampage through Valentine and then reload. But an evil PLAYTHROUGH, man, I can't do it. Why does it matter to me. These are pixel people. I should be able to go black hat. It's like my brain isn't processing the moral division of reality and simulation. 
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@LucyStarfire
Maybe I mistranslated.
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@fauxlaw
such are people who said of Harvey Weinstein: "He told me to take my clothes off, so I did." And the woke blame Weinstein. Seems to me, the girl was what woke is all about.
I'd classify the MeToo movement as woke.
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@yachilviveyachali
I feel like he's a Christian who's really squirelly about admitting he's a Christian for some reason.
He would tell us if he were Christian. He is not a Christian, and is therefore not willing to call himself one.
He should be identified however he identifies himself, but speaking only in terms of impressions, he is a zealous defender of Christian values and seems like one in all but name.
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@Mharman
Celebrity advertising plus tv slot advertising. Some channels will just show Scientology stuff.

As for the horrors of the church of Scientology, Leah Remini hosted a good show about it a few years ago. I’m sure you can find episodes.
Watched when it first came out, quite good. Remini is one I understand. She was raised in Scientology. Once a child is conditioned it can be hard to uncondition them. But adult converts are a mystery to me.
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How does Scientology manage to get followers
It's more expensive than healthcare and has the worst reputation. This has always been a mystery to me. 
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Jordan Peterson and Christianity
I feel like he's a Christian who's really squirelly about admitting he's a Christian for some reason.
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@LucyStarfire
What?
He said gnosis is self-delusion based on personal experience.
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@yachilviveyachali
You don't believe words matter. You want words to mean only their etymology when it suits your argument, and you want them to mean more than their etymology when it supports your argument. For instance, you've used the word "important," which originally meant "to bring in," yet you want me to interpret it as meaning "significant". You've used the word "infant," which etymologically means "not speaking," but you don't want me to take it as "non-speaking", you want me to take it as "baby." I could be an arse and only acknowledge the etymological definitions of all the words you're using, willfully ignoring what I damn well know you mean, but I won't because it's intellectually dishonest. Words evolve over time, and anyone who denies this is either a fool or a liar. "Condone" is here used to mean "accept and allow to continue." And that is all the attention I am going to give to desperate semantic apologetics.

So to be clear, you are saying that owning a human being is not wrong/sinful, in and of itself. Is your argument that God is okay with slavery as long as slaves are treated fairly?

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I make my cries into the void at 3am with headphones on, peak time for void cries

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@LucyStarfire
No online stranger's view is "important" and you didn't make this thread expecting to find important feedback. It was a cry into the void.
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@Lemming
DDO definitely had great google ranking, due to its commercial funding no doubt. As you say, DART is, well, poorer. Pity we don't have any patrons or partnerships...

3RU has done a lot more than me to bring in traffic, that's for sure. I've tried to point a few discord homies this way, but they click on my link and say "site seems dead..."
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@LucyStarfire
Mm. I wouldn't say real human connection is a lie; I'd say you're feeling alone and alienated. I wouldn't say the world is your enemy; I'd guess you're feeling antagonized by life.

Our beliefs are more often a reflection of our needs and feelings than of the world as it is.
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I would support a squirrel as mod if it would bring in more activity tbh. We're arguing over who is fit to police an ever-dwindling handful of regulars.

Omg remember that episode of TNG where everyone on the Enterprise is slowly disappearing and only Beverly notices. That's DART. Except for the "only Beverly notices" part, I suppose.
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What is the Christian take on Gnosticism?
It's no more absurd than any other religious belief system. I think it's neat. 

You've got the original supreme God, and beneath him, a pantheon of his god-children, called Aeons, arranged in male and female pairs. God and the Aeons exist in a kind of perfect spiritual realm. But one Aeon attempts to reproduce asexually, without an opposite-sex partner, and in so doing creates a deformed being called the Demiurge.

The Demiurge is twisted, imperfect, discontented, corrupt. Sensing its nature, its divine mother casts it out of the Aeon realm. In isolation it decides to create its own realm: our material universe. This material universe is as imperfect as the Demiurge itself, and the Demiurge convinces its inhabitants (us) that it is the supreme God.

What is the answer then? First to recognize the Demiurge's deception, and then to seek the true God. In Gnosticism, the true God (unlike the false one that proclaims itself to us and demands worship) is hidden, mysterious, withdrawn. You have to look for it; it won't present itself to you through organized religion. Christian Gnostics identified the Demiurge with the OT God and the true God with the more cryptic Christ. They believed you had to seek enlightenment through a deep inner knowing, innate, intuitive -- gnosis. 

It's pretty easy to see why the ancient Christians were not fans of Gnosticism. They thought Gnostics missed the entire message about sin and forgiveness, about Christ's sacrifice for humanity. And they did. They didn't see the world in terms of sin and forgiveness, but of illusion and satori. It was like their religion was a conspiracy theory about Christianity. As conspiracy theories go, though, I think it's pretty cool.
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@LucyStarfire
Lying in order to survive or socialize does not preclude opportunities for honest connection, really.

Idk, sounds like you're not very at peace with yourself or with the world. Is this why you change religious ideation as often as I change expression.
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@LucyStarfire
Well in that case, it seems like you're leaning toward some type of social nihilism, where interpersonal bonds are meaningless or at best inauthentic. If no one stays after you lower your mask it usually means you haven't met the right people or you're not taking the right meds. 
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@LucyStarfire
It seems like this site is just kind of a journal for your daily crashouts as you try to figure things out.
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Why are more liberals joining The Right?
I've got a bib with a billionaire's name on it. I'm tired. Let's do this.
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@WyIted
You lost me at the left's true agenda.

Look, can we eat the rich yet or not
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@WyIted
Sounds pretty accurate to me.
This is why the entirety of the left routinely does shit like push to Pardon Roman Polanski (Child rapist). It's because they have really high standards to get into their club. If allowing child molestors and welfare queens in is high standards you need your head screwed on straight
Yeah I'm still unable to wrap my head around that. Super fucked up.

Still think the left cancels more than the right tho.
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@Sir.Lancelot
He explains that the right have a lower standard for entry, while the left are quick to socially exile or excommunicate someone whose values fall short. 
Sounds pretty accurate to me.
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@Greyparrot
In a way, knowing you will live up to a certain point frees you of the worry of smaller things. It's a feedback loop where less stress means you get to live longer.
Fair point.
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@yachilviveyachali
Do you have free will or not? A God who wants slaves would have never allowed us to know evil and become sinners.
This assumes God views the practice of slavery as evil. What passage supports this?

Does God condone slavery? “Condone”, if you consider the origin of the word and its Latin translation (it has the same meaning in Italian), strictly means to forgive or absolve.
This is the etymological fallacy -- the idea words can be reduced to their etymology. I am using the common understanding of "condone" -- "accept and allow to continue." The words "you may" from God meet that definition.

God may forgive slavery among His people. However, he does not wish for there to be slaves. God allows sin, although he wants us to not sin. Allowing sin does not mean he accepts it. Yet, he may allow or forgive it. Hebrews were permitted to be servants if they were impoverished, and permitted to own Hebrew slaves to punish. The foreign slaves were treated with mercy, and could sometimes better themselves. Slavery was a common practice by the time Moses received the Torah. What was God to do? 
Again, where does the Bible say slavery is a sin? And if it's a sin, why are you arguing it was beneficial to the slave?

And are you really making the argument that God lacked the power to overturn common social practice? Cutting off the end of your penis wasn't too big of an ask, but "stop owning people" was? Many of God's commands in the Bible are hard to follow and against the currents of common practice. Who can easily love their enemies? How many would really turn the other cheek if struck? Who would give their coat to someone who sued the shirt off their backs? Is it so easy to not covet your neighbor's things? Yet you're making the argument that God wrung his hands and said, "Oh well, they're just so gosh-darned determined to own people, what can I do? I guess I'll just bend my rules to their preferences..." No. This is not God's character in the Bible.

Mankind is very flawed because God chose for us to have free will, and to not be enslaved. In having free will, we have enslaved others. God wants us to be absolved of all of our sins. God himself is a very complex character. What is for certain is that he wants us to pick the right path, but that not everyone is destined for the right path. The others are on the path, or they are lukewarm. 

Slavery is an issue among men. When Adam and Eve were created, did God grant them a slave? He did not. They were supposed to do their own work. The idea of sexual slavery was foreign, as Adam was only given one woman, and she was to be his wife. What happened? Satan, who too had been given free will as an angel, tempted Eve who tempted Adam. God told them to not eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, alas, they ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Our descent into hell begins here. 

What kind of God would He be if he did not give us a choice? We would be slaves.
God also never intended us to murder, steal, and cheat. Yet we fell from the garden, and we began to do those things, and he told us it was wrong. But not slavery. Slavery he told us we could continue, if we practiced it with ethnocentric favoritism.
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I think there's a definite peace in believing that everything is going to happen the way it was meant to and it's all predetermined. It frees you from responsibility, care, urgency, stress. 

But the implications of that philosophy are less peaceful. Effort is futile; personal accountability doesn't exist; free will is an illusion.
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@Tradesecret
Longer post, took me a while to get to it.

I think attempting to say whether God condoned or didn't condone salvery is a very simplistic question on a very complex idea. 

It's well and good to say that God could have simply put into the Bible - "don't own slaves."  He didn't, therefore, he condones slavery. I think that is a very weak argument. 
I'm arguing he condoned slavery because he says so in Lev 25:44-46, as per the OP.

The number one problem that people have with slavery is stealing people, kidnapping free people against their will and making them slaves.  God ABSOLUTELY condemns kidnapping people - whether they be Jew or Alien.   So I think it is right to say that God does not condone slavery in the way that slavery is conducted in our world today. 
  1. The Hebrew word in Exo 21:16 is ish, I believe, which usually referred to an adult male Israelite in the Covenant Code. Almost certainly did not apply to aliens -- you can read this more clearly in Deut 24:7.
  2. The number one problem I have with slavery is that I think owning another human being is wrong. Whether they were kidnapped, indentured, what have you.
  3. Seems to assume most slaves were sourced via kidnapping. That isn't true. Slaves could be bought from surrounding nations, captured via conquest, or even pressed into involuntary debt slavery (see 2 Kings 4, where the creditors are coming to take the woman's children as slaves). Girls could be sold into sexual slavery by their fathers. There were many tragic ways people could become slaves without being stolen off an Israelite street. And of course Israel had no way to regulate how slaves were sourced in the nations they purchased from.
Another part of the complexity is that in the time that Leviticus was written, EVERY nation on the face of the earth supported slavery. And in every nation apart from Israel, this slavery could arise from kidnapping. So there was already a clear distinction between Israel and other nations.
No, other nations were against kidnapping their citizens as well. See Babylonian law.

But I'm not really interested in whether or not Israel had a milder flavor of slavery than other nations. I'm interested in whether God condoned slavery.

 Also, back in those days, and interestingly, even in the world in some places today, people would sell themselves to others for a time, known as an indenture. Even the Jews could do this for 7 years. This is a type of slavery. The idea is based on the notion that "we own ourselves". And an important part of those ownership rights of our body, was the right to sell it to someone else.  Today - people don't own their own bodies. (not that the abortion movement cares) The State owns our bodies - and it has done so - since it legislated the idea that no property rights can exist in a human body.  Removing the ownership of property in body, removed the ability to privately sell your body to someone else - but it also effectively proved the point that we are slaves to the State. It owns our body and it tells us what rights we have. 

In those times - people from other cultures could sell their bodies to another person - even to a Jew. In a sense it was a form of welfare. Or perhaps a bank mortgage. 
This is only addressing debt slavery. God condones chattel slavery as well.

But make no mistake: debt slavery, much like debtor's prison, is still wrong. I have already showed that it was not always voluntary in the Bible. Poverty is not an excuse to imprison or enslave anyone, and there are many better social methods of relieving financial desperation than slavery.

The Israelites, however could not go looking for people in other cultures to buy slaves. And the reason for that is because the predominant manner in which people became slaves was by kidnapping. 
I'd like you to explain this more. I don't want to misunderstand/misrepresent your argument.

The other time when Israel needed to consider slavery was in times of war.  What were they to do with the foreigners they captured? If they released them - then they would form part of a group to try and get rid of them. Or they would go back and join the families they came from and start fighting again. The Jews were disliked then probably in the same way they are now. didn't have welfare in those times, so people had to make money somehow to get food.  So they had to do something with them. I suppose they could kill them. But they were captured in war - and unless God said to destroy them - then they couldn't. 
Lev 25:44-46 is not about preventing the enemies' survivors from mustering a rebellion. It's just basic chattel slavery. "It is okay to enslave foreigners."

Overall, I think the matter is far too a complex matter to come up with a simplistic answer. 
I disagree. While God's position on slavery is nuanced, I think the question of whether he condoned slavery is a simple one, with a simple answer.
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@yachilviveyachali
Did God condone slavery?
God hates slavery. This is why we have free will.
What passage are you basing this on, and if that's the case, why did he condone it elsewhere?
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@fauxlaw
By syntax, over time, and let's not even include the possible distinctions of translation [by ignorance, or by malicious or intended accurate purpose] from Hebrew, the primary O.T. language, the word "slavery" has transitioned from even being descriptive of people charged and convicted of crimes for which a fine is sufficient penalty, and, at one time [such as O.T. era, and in that instance, I don't think slave holders could be classed as "owners," since eventual release is implied] when one could not afford the fine, were placed in indentured servitude, aka [by standards, then] slavery, but only for a designated period. We do not use the term "slavery" for that purpose, today, yet your argument does not include that shift of definition when discussing God's attitude toward the word, as construed, then.
Would you argue God changed his mind? I wouldn't, and multiple biblical, and other holy writ of other religions, sources maintain he is of the same mind forever.
Eventual release is promised for Israelites. Foreigners could be owned indefinitely, and passed down through the slave owner's family.

God wants Israelities to be treated more like hired servants, but foreigners may be treated as chattel. Ethnocentric regulations; natives get more rights than foreigners. Very common.
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@AdaptableRatman
Everyone here is pursuing engagement.
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@AdaptableRatman
I definitely spectate more than I debate. Most of the quality interlocutors that I liked have left the site, traffic has dwindled considerably, and so my other hobbies and interests frequently outcompete DART for my attention.
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@yachilviveyachali
The real question is: do you condone slavery?

Do you drink coffee? Slavery persists on coffee farms. 

I don't need to drink coffee; I have enough energy. In the last 12 hours I have been to the gym for two hours and later ran for 45 minutes. I still cannot sleep. The curse persists, like slavery. 

You probably need coffee, don't you? 
Whether slavery still exists or not, whether normal people are indirectly complicit in it or not, I am asking if God condones it.

Of course slavery still exists in the world. But God is supposed to be better than the world. Of course normal people are often indirectly complicit in slavery. But God is supposed to be better than people.

Did God condone slavery?
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@fauxlaw
Is there a distinction between "condone" and "acknowledge?"
I believe the answer is Yes.
Condone is tacit approval.
Acknowledge is tacit recognition of existence, but not approval.
The one is not the other, and "tacit" is the demonstraton of that fact. It is recognition that God had expectations of us when we have, to date, failed to observe properly. It is evident that we do not love God as we should, and do not love ourselves as we should.

The  balance of the OT, post-Genesis [which, from Eden, had a simplified insrtruction to have dominion of the Earth for purposes of righteousness [not greed] and understand the distinction of good and evil. The balance of the OT is based upon the Law of Moses which had more strict requirements because the Israelites proved to be less respectful of those initial requirements out of Eden, which should have sufficed. They were, on their own, sufficient to treat one another with respect to to treat God as our Father by following his laws. Out of Eden was a dogma very similar to the two commands offered by Christ when asked to identify "the greatest law." Christ, instead, gave two "greatest" laws which are eternally inseparable: Love God; love our fellow man. Adhering to these, alone, would satisfy, and make of us better people than the Law of Moses ever could, which is why Christ said he came to fulfill the law, not to destroy it. To fulfill law is to step up from what was law to a better law, much like Jimmy Madison proposed in the Preamble of the Constitution of the United States: to be "a more perfect union."
God has been trying to tell us forever, since Eden, that we are free when we follow his advice, and enslave ourselves, nut by him, as we accuse, when we do not.
I think there's a definite distinction between condone and acknowledge, yeah.  I'm arguing God condoned. "You may" is permission.

I definitely think the New Testament had a message of "we're all the same in Christ," and that's a beautiful message, but at no point does Jesus or Paul or anyone directly challenge the institution of slavery; it is treated as normal. "Slaves, obey your masters." They encourage slave owners to treat their slaves well, but never do they say that it is wrong to own a human being. So I would argue that slavery is still condoned even in the New Testament.
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@TheGreatSunGod
Nope, most slaves today are illegally enslaved
Thats not even true. Minority are slaves of majority in democracies now. Children are slaves of parents and their government.
Oh here we go
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@TheGreatSunGod
Societies today approve of slavery too.
Nope, most slaves today are illegally enslaved.

Slaves in the ancient world were legally enslaved.

And in the not-so-ancient world, too. Pretty shameful that we only agreed that it's wrong a few hundred years ago...
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@Mall
Jesus I forgot I made this thread.

Many haven't realized this but slavery is a part of the gospel message.

I'm not talking about Hebrew Israelite camps that teach they'll enslave so called white folks in heaven.

But true Christians are actually slaves of God which I can get this will push away atheists to far away galaxies beyond measure.

Hence being an atheist, you want your liberty as being your own god .
So because we are slaves to Christ, it is okay for one human being to own another? Does this mean you believe spiritual slavery and chattel slavery are morally equivalent?
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Did God condone slavery?
Split-off discussion from the premarital sex thread. See this post and this post.

And slavery is almost universally condemned in the modern world; in the ancient world it was so normative that God himself condoned it.
The condemnation does not mean much when there are millions of slaves in the world, some of whom are enslaved in Western countries, or making products those in Western countries use. Do you think you have never used a product not made by the hands of a slave? What about all the children forced to pick coffee beans? And the fruits you eat? What about the clothes you wear and technology you use? 

Where does it say God condones slavery? God has less to do with slavery than you and I do. He is not using products made by slaves. Take it up with Satan if you dislike slavery.
Lev 25:44-46

"As for the male and female slaves whom you may have, it is from the nations around you that you may acquire male and female slaves. You may also acquire them from among the aliens residing with you and from their families who are with you who have been born in your land; they may be your property. You may keep them as a possession for your children after you, for them to inherit as property. These you may treat as slaves, but as for your fellow Israelites, no one shall rule over the other with harshness."

And I don't understand your argument. "Because slavery is still happening in parts of the world, it's okay that God condoned it"?
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