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@fauxlaw
The media is reporting on what the counted votes reflect. You're just deflecting again. Have at it.
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@fauxlaw
I asked why Trump claimed victory on Wednesday. You replied with an irrelevant point about what Joe Biden said during the campaign. That's called deflecting.
There is a 99% chance the projections are correct, so I'm definitely relaxed. I don't have a problem with anyone claiming victory with those odds.
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@thett3
NAFTA was a bipartisan effort but with rare exceptions it’s now republicans who are fighting for the worker on trade
Trump's rhetoric on trade has sounded pretty much indistinguishable from the most liberal Democrats, and Dems are the ones who got his policy passed.
Out of curiosity, how do you feel about Republicans being anti worker protection and anti union?
President Donald Trumps efforts to fight for American workers on this front have been mostly ineffectual but the gesture is important.
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@fauxlaw
I don't care about your deflection to what Joe Biden said during the campaign, especially since I can deflect to plenty of Trump gaffes. I'm wondering why Trump falsely said he won the election (way before most votes were counted).
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@fauxlaw
Because he IS the President, and he DOES have an office.
He said "Frankly, we did win the election."
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@Lunatic
Lol @ cum slip and I cAsE mY rEsT. I hope you're town.
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@Vader
Yea do metas change over time? I don't think they would
I used to be so aggressive as town that if I lightened up even a little, people sussed me. I'd have to go into these very dramatic theatrics to defend myself because people assumed if I didn't it was a scum tell. So for a time I committed to being very chill and passive regardless of affiliation because that previous meta was very exhausting.
I posted in the Sign Ups that I probs won't talk as much on DP1 anymore just because I'm starting to feel a forced meta there as well.
While I know they are new, I just feel it's noob scum being overly aggressive.
Why not noob town? (I don't have a feeling on Ayyantu yet other than wanting to know whose alt they are.)
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@fauxlaw
Joe Biden is not the President-Elect. Sure, the media has given that crown, but it's paper and gold paint.
I wonder why Trump claimed victory last Wednesday morning.
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@thett3
Joe Biden became the Democratic nominee because of nonwhite democrats.
So you think electing Bernie Sanders would have destroyed the Democratic Party? I agree. Wish I had that moral support from you back in March :)
Are there any other examples? You said it was routine. I'd like to think about the trends and see if they tell a story.
If you don't believe there is a power disparity between the right and the left in terms of culture, I don't know what to tell you.
In addition to Fox News, there's Breitbart, The Washington Times, National Review, Red State, Ben Shapiro, Alex Jones, The American Conservative, The American Spectator, Candace Owens, and many more very popular right-wing commentators and publications. Virtually every NASCAR and country music star is pro Trump, and middle America tends to resent Hollywood and the media anyway. Again it doesn't matter that Big Tech staff is liberal because they routinely push right-wing propaganda and sources if that is what you prefer, if that is what outrages you enough to engage with it, or if people pay them to do it. Despite cries of censorship, conservatives dominate social media. Multiple studies have disproven that there is an "anti conservative" bias. If people are being censored, it's probably not because they're advocating for conservative positions like gun rights and lower taxes, and more likely because they're calling people ni99ers or saying coronavirus spreads through 5G cell towers thanks to deep state pedophiles out to get Donald Trump.
As for the riots, there have been spontaneous outbursts of rioting and civil unrest throughout the country over the past six months
Almost all seem to have died down in July after about a month and a half, except a few might have popped up in cities where a black person was shot. I believe there was one in Philly not too long ago. I haven't heard of anything else. I think a lot of the civil unrest could have been thwarted if Trump took a more balanced tone instead of thriving off the "Dems hate law and order" narrative though. He barely acknowledges the problem of unchecked police unions, choosing instead to focus on the "thugs." I get that it's politics but he could have done a much better job at being a good leader.
Why do you think Hispanics shifted so hard to Trump this time around?
I think it depends on which Hispanics you're referring to; Trump only increased his share of Hispanic support by 4 percent. Biden still got 2/3 of the Latino vote. I do think some of it has to do with establishing an "us vs. them" distinction between good immigrants and bad ones. Why do you think so many Hispanics support Trump? Is it just anti BLM stuff + social conservatism, or do you think they hate themselves given many of them are first generation Americans with both legal and illegal immigrant family members and friends?
You can't honestly say that there's no difference between Trump and Sanders other than Trump's "bigotry"--Sanders is a lot better than the Dem establishment, but he's a left wing populist, not a right wing populist. There's a distinct difference.
That's true, I think extending benefits to illegal immigrants (healthcare and college) is the most significant difference if we leave out abortion. The Green New Deal isn't even a policy proposal and it's wildly unpopular across the board, though concern for the environment is picking up steam. Personally no Trump supporter I'm close with is a populist. If anything they're more impressed with 401K gains. Most where I live are middle class (or upper middle class compared to the rest of the country) and the only "policy positions" I could see them agreeing with Trump on are racist and xenophobic narratives (anti immigrant, anti Islam). They tend to buy into and prioritize his law and order rhetoric, believing Dems want to see gangs take over the city. The defund/abolish police narrative from progressives definitely hurt Democrats, but was never a serious consideration.
Again why do you think Republicans who emphatically endorsed "free market capitalism" for the last 40 years suddenly did a 180 for Trump though? And do you believe Trump delivered significant results for the poor and working class, particularly in the heartland where he promised to do so? I read a study that found relative stagnation in economic conditions throughout the Midwest. Apparently median household income grew at a slower pace (2.1%) during Trump's first three years in office compared to the last three years of Obama’s presidency when annual average income growth was 2.6%. Another report says under Trump, annual pay also grew more slowly in counties that voted for Obama twice but then voted for Trump in 2016. In fact, the average annual wage growth during the Obama presidency was nearly twice that of the Trump presidency in the counties that swung for Trump.
I mean even if we take the best case scenario during Trump's best time in office and pretended we can attribute those gains solely to him, how much did blue collar people's wealth really increase the last 4 years? Has your family got a lot more wealth? (I ask because you live in the midwest irrc.) More property? More assets? A significant increase in take-home pay? I think we can all agree Trump prioritized the stock market and Wall Street over "Main Street" which is fine but seems like a dishonest narrative from the people who pretend Trump has changed their lives. They're still poor. They still can't afford healthcare.
Do you even know any Trump supporters in real life?
Unfortunately my entire extended family and some of my closest friends are Trump supporters. There's only one Republican district in NYC and I live here.
Donors who worked for Facebook and Google skewed 97%-3% for Biden. Apple was 92%-8%. Amazon was a mere 80%-20%.
That is 100% irrelevant though. These stories of alleged suppression tend to be simply anecdotal because the facts simply don’t back up sweeping assertions. People at Media Matters have done study after study after study after study showing that conservative content on Facebook receives significantly greater engagement than other content. The New York Times’ has shown that the top-performing link posts on U.S. Facebook pages are dominated by conservatives like Trump, Ben Shapiro and Fox News contributors. The examples that conservatives give of alleged censorship are usually just examples of individuals breaking the rules or people who don't know how social media works.
the left has more power right now they are far more effective at it. . . I'm talking about the modern phenomenon of random individuals being "canceled."
This "phenomenon" of being cancelled is not new at all though. Here is an apropos meme. History is chock full of firings and harassment and lawsuits against people who were targeted and taken down for disagreeing with the status quo. You should look into how people were treated if they spoke out against the Vietnam War. I agree there is a huge problem with Cancel Culture and silencing dissent and punishing people with different POVs, but I completely disagree this is a new thing or that it is unique to the left. That's whiney ass Tucker Carlon crying again about things he cannot back up. And if you challenge that notion that this is not new or unique to the left, I'll just inundate you with tons more examples proving that straight up factually isn't true (I believe I already gave like a dozen examples). It's nothing personal I just loathe this demonstrably false take. As I stated there is a difference between having your Facebook profile silenced for 30 days and having the government demand loyalty oaths. There's a difference between being kicked of twitter and being fired for being gay. If conservatives really have a problem with Cancel Culture, why not fight against at-will employment or worker discrimination? Conservative speakers are just as welcome on liberal college campuses as liberals are at Trump rallies I guess.
As for the shy Trump vote thing--there absolutely are vocal supporters of Trump, but they don't tend to live in or work in leftist areas.
I don't know one Trump supporter that is shy lol. I work in midtown Manhattan and not only is my direct manager a huge Trump fan, but one of my subordinates has a picture of Trump shaking Ronald Reagan's hand hanging up in his office. My uncle has a poker room in his house littered with Trump paraphernalia and so do most of his cop friends in the NYPD. If you drive around Staten Island NY (I don't live there but it's part of my district) there are literally massive Trump flags on every street. You may be right about the northwest part of the country, but aside from that there are a lot of city folk all over the rest of the US who love Trump's bravado. That machismo thing plays right into so many New Yorkers. They're particularly fond of the Trump flags that say "No more bullshit." The only shy Republican I can think of is an evangelical who is so embarrassed to support such an undignified and crass human being that behaves in a way contrary to everything they consider holy, but is voting for him solely on the anti-choice position alone.
I digress.
Republicans over performed big time in this election.
Probably. Here's some quick figurations I did about the presidential race the other night - In 2016 Trump won Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania by 77,744 votes. Biden was winning those three states by 212,002 votes and counting as of Monday which means the Dems gained 290,000+ votes in those three swing states. Dems also gained an extra 328,674+ votes as of Monday night to win Georgia and Arizona. So in flipping all five of those states, Dems gained 618,000+ votes since 2016.
Maybe it's true Republicans overperformed because I wasn't paying attention to specific races, but if it's true that people voted Republican down-ballot and against Trump then it's just as much a signal that Americans dislike his style as much as they like it. I feel like focusing on how dire things are for Democrats though is just a red herring. Like it's true but can't we all breathe a collective sigh of relief to have this chimpanzee out of the highest office? I think everyone knows it's an uphill battle from here.
Arizona has around 40k left but they are actually predicted to skew in Trumps direction.
Well those shouldn't count because mail in ballots are all fraudulent. Hopefully the GOP doesn't delay counting them next time though.
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@Intelligence_06
The goal would be to get a townie to cast his lynch vote by convincing them he's scum.
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@Intelligence_06
What was the logic of night killing oromagi?
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@RoderickSpode
I saw this documentary on the subject a very long time ago. I don't remember how good it is.
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@thett3
Non-white dems routinely save the party by blocking the kind of radicals that white liberals would nominate.
I agree brown Dems are more moderate, but can you give some examples of where they have ever saved the party?
It's interesting that the perspective is Democrats should disregard the progressive left to save the party while conservatives have chosen to appease the alt-right to save theirs. Imagine if the GOP was not so hostile to immigrants or acknowledged systemic racism exists. They'd lock down a huge share of the minority vote but they refuse. Hispanics definitely don't like BLM and black people are hostile to gays and social progressivism that doesn't have to do with protecting their own necks. So both parties can improve their PR campaigns for sure.
After seeing how Biden barely beat Trump I don't think that Sanders or Warren would have been able to win.
This is probably true. It depends on how Warren campaigned. I never thought Bernie had a shot.
The problem is that the people with the cultural power are far left.
Such as? I don't know what cultural power means.
It wasn't Trump supporters who have been rioting for the past six months straight, and it wasn't the Republicans who refused to crack down on their lawlessness.
Where have there been riots for six months straight?
The mainstream party doesn't repudiate the far left.
I'm not sure what you mean by this, but hopefully it's not another fib about how Biden, Harris, Pelosi, et. al have not condemned violence. I've disproven that so many times that I'm just really bored by it and hope to not have to do it again. It literally takes a 1 minute Google search to disprove. But if you're talking about far left politics in general, eh I'm not so sure about that. The establishment has been very opposed to criticisms of Israel of any kind which is a huge thing with progressives. Some of them have derided socialism very strongly. Which things in particular do you think they should denounce?
Are they racist against their own race? Or just stupid?
So it's funny because I happened to be watching that episode of Tucker Carlson the other night where he relentlessly mocked the idea that brown people could be racist against themselves; he showed a clip of some liberal pundit suggest Hispanics "hate themselves" to a degree and thought it was absurd. First off the irony of him ridiculing this idea is that he (and you) have just argued that white liberals are the ones who go hardcore in favor of "anti white" policies, so why is it so hard to believe that brown people could promote anti brown policies?
Secondly anyone who actually lives among a diverse community knows that Hispanics really ARE racist not "against their own race" per se, but against blacks and other groups of Hispanics. There is very distinct ethnic identity between Cubans, Mexicans, Puerto Ricans and Dominicans in particular. It is absolutely true that Cubans tend to look down on other groups of Hispanics for being "lower class" and preferring to identify as white or European rather than with "undignified" and poorer illegal immigrants. Of course there are other reasons Latinos vote red too such as being religious; I know a few very Catholic Hispanics who refuse to vote Democrat just because they are vehemently anti-choice. So there's a lot that goes into why groups vote the way they do, but just because brown people vote for Trump doesn't mean Trump isn't racist. If I vote for a homophobe because I like their economic policies, the person is still a homophobe just because they got some gay people to vote for them for whatever reason. That seems really obvious to everyone but Fox News viewers apparently.
Don't you think that's painting people with too broad a brush?
I've thought about this and I really don't think I am. I feel confident saying all Trump supporters are bigots or very okay with bigotry. If they were just concerned about their financial security, why not vote for Bernie Sanders' version of populism? Or rather why did they vote for the party of "free trade capitalism" for the past 40 years?
Trump's message of border security, standing up to China/trying to bring back blue collar jobs, etc. really did appeal to a lot of people
I think a lot of people want to stand up to China but most people have no idea what for. Trump is all-talk. What did he wind up accomplishing border-wise anyway? While Joe Biden will use more diplomatic language, everyone knows China is the biggest threat to our security. I hope Biden appoints a really solid Secretary of State. I don't see how Trump did much of anything to curb China's influence though. One could argue the trade war did more harm than good.
I feel like a lot of people who try and defend Trump insist it was his "policies" people like and not just his bombastic rhetoric, but I really don't buy it. People liked that he was a "tell it like it is" personality, but very infrequently did I hear people defend his policies outside of whataboutism. "Well yeah kids in cages is terrible but Obama built those cages!" Etc. I never really heard people argue that Trump was a brilliant policy wonk. He'd just say a lot of really bold things.
But because the left has overwhelming cultural power and control of information access, they wield this power much more effectively that the right does.
What does that mean: overwhelming cultural power? Trump won the presidency through tweets and thanks largely in part to conservative publications like Breitbart. Is this one of those things like when I watch Fox News pundits lament "the mainstream media" and Big Media every day while simultaneously touting that they are by far the biggest and most popular news station with the largest ratings? Because I love that :)
Big Tech is not just a mouthpiece for the left. There's a ton of research that shows because of the algorithms on social media, they create massive echo chambers where people are just constantly fed things from likeminded people and that's how so many conspiracy theories and disinformation campaigns go viral. Russians and others have utilized social media to influence people toward batshit crazy wackjob conservative conspiracy theories like QAnon by just ensuring people see nonsense in their feeds. Everyone is subjected to it, not just liberals. If you're a conservative you'll see nothing but right wing stuff in your feed all the time.
Are you doubling down that Cancel Culture is a "leftist" issue? Because yeah that's just wrong. In addition to the plethora of examples I could give disproving that, one of the most egregious hypocrisies is when Trump took out a full page ad asking to execute the Central Park 5 who he wrongly accused of rape. Even after being exonerated by DNA evidence, Trump refused to apologize or even admit he was wrong about that. He not only smeared these people's names but insisted they be murdered by the state - but he's going to have the audacity to talk about Cancel Culture? Yikes.
People were scared to admit their true political preferences.
I've never seen so many boat parades or truck flags or clothing and other paraphernalia for any other politician in my lifetime but yeah, maybe.
He's losing by around 20k votes in AZ and WI, and 10k in GA. If he got those three it would've been a 269-269 tie and he likely would've won in that scenario. And PA looks like it'll be won by Biden by less than a point. He came veryyyy close
He's only down by ~50K in those states, but they still have hundreds of thousands of ballots left to count most of which are presumed to be in favor of Biden. Even assuming he won AZ, WI and GA though it's still come down to PA which Biden is winning by 45K votes and counting. Admittedly the election was way too close for comfort. Florida was another huge surprise for me.
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@thett3
It's funny because they really weren't that off in 2016. . . But I think people will always remember 2016 as the election where the polls were wrong, and not this one
100 percent. Why do you think Trump came within 50K votes though? I stopped paying attention days ago. Too exhausting.
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@thett3
Make fun of it all you want, but resentment of the far left is the reason that millions of mostly educated and very plugged in people living in suburbs who couldn't stomach Trump voted Republican downballot, so the narrative worked.
That is absolutely true. It's a great narrative because it's half accurate. The far left is pretty insane and intolerant, but the party as a whole is very corporatist and very moderate. It always has been. In fact that's why progressives take issue with the party, so for Fox News to keep fear mongering about how socialists are "taking over" the Dems when progressives are routinely ignored is not honest. There's like 7 of them in Congress and they loathe establishment Dems. Bernie lost handedly to a barely cognizant dinosaur specifically because the party is not far-left.
It's funny, you love to make fun of uneducated white people living in rural areas, but they aren't the swing voters anymore. Republican overperformance down ballot was mostly due to educated suburbanites who were fed up with the excesses of the left.
To be clear I only love to make fun of the ones that are bigoted (Trump supporters). I have nothing but empathy and respect for the others.
You must admit that social media has changed the game.
I agree social media changed the game and I agree that Cancel Culture is a huge problem in academia and intellectual discourse (I'm pretty indifferent about it in the private sector though). What I don't agree with is perpetuating the falsehood that this is a "leftist" issue when it's just so clearly not. Throughout history conservatives have been the first ones to demand cancellations of people they disagreed with. Even now Trump asked all of his "we hate cancel culture!" supporters to cancel the NFL because one player kneeled during a song he likes. When Twitter marked one of his tweets as factually non-credible, Trump threatened to shut them down. The examples of right-wing Cancel Culture are innumerable and more dangerous coming from politicians or the president than say Chrissy Teigen or Alyssa Milano.
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@Athias
We do have a right to our person and to behave said person as we see fit.
Then why don't I have a right to put my baby in a dumpster, especially if it's not immoral? Taking a bath isn't immoral and I assume you'd agree I have the right to do that. You said individualism leads us to the logical analyses of which rights we have. You said individualism posits an "inalienable right to live as one sees fit" which you've just repeated here. So why don't I have the right to put my baby in a dumpster if that is what I see fit?
Does placing a baby in a dumpster infract on the inalienable right it has to live its life as it sees fit, to act in its own judgement, to keep and use the product of its effort, and to pursue the values of its choosing?
Why does that matter? You didn't say anything about my rights being contingent on or relative to another's rights, preferences or judgment.
A proxy for my position is unnecessary.
I was asking because people can identify as being of the same school of thought while holding contrary positions, so saying you are an "individualist" does not tell me which position you would take on issue X whereas deferring to someone I'm familiar with might. For instance, an anarchist like Mises is different than one like Proudhon. But I agree a proxy is not necessary.
Can a group of people come together and form some agreement as to that which constitutes a right (e.g. Democracy?) Yes. That doesn't necessarily make it logically consistent.
I agree. I think I'd like to abandon this tangent for now before I go down some epistemological rabbit hole regarding the criteria of truth, but let me try rephrasing with another question: Do rights matter (have any meaningful real world application) if there is no consensus on what those rights are and/or no way to enforce them?
One's participation in any moral system ought to be determined by his or her agreement.
I'm not sure what you mean by moral system, but what does agreement have to do with it?
Humans are moral agents and rational actors.
Not all of them.
Robots and non-human animals aren't.
Yet. What does moral agency have to do with rights? Are you suggesting that you only have rights if you're capable of understanding another's rights? Does a 1 month old not have rights then?
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@fauxlaw
ACB's confirmation was not close to being rushed
It's nice that you want to talk about the process starting from 231 years ago, but in the modern era from the Reagan administration to present, the process has taken much longer. The average number of days from nomination to final Senate vote since 1975 is 67 days (2.2 months), while the median is 71 days (or 2.3 months). That is more than twice as long as ACB's confirmation.
Aside from the Merrick Garland nomination, only twice has a sitting President been unable to nominate and confirm a Supreme Court Justice during an election year and one of the times it was because Congress had already adjourned for the year in December - they later confirmed the nominated Justice a few weeks later in January. That obviously did not happen with Garland.
Furthermore by "rushed" I was clearly referring to them rushing to confirm ACB before Trump would presumably lose the presidency, which he did. They essentially performed Court Packing. They prevented a nomination and pushed through conservative judges legally, just as some have encouraged Dems to do the same by expanding the Court if they win Congressional majority. They would legally be able to change the Court's make-up to appoint more liberal judges, so why not do it so long as it's "allowed" right?
Of course Trump said he wants Re overturned. Doesn't mean it will happen.
I never said it "will happen" - I said the intent is to implement biased judges whereas you pretended there is no bias and said the only expectation of judges is to "follow the law" lol. By that logic conservatives wouldn't expect Roe v. Wade to ever be overturned.
Your issue is with the States.
You have dropped my point entirely. I specifically asked you if you believe people should be thrown in prison for being gay. You didn't answer and instead brought up this irrelevant point about abortion. Answer my question about Lawrence v. Texas.
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@HistoryBuff
People who actually look at what the dem's want to do (as well as the dems themselves) say they want to "change nothing". Biden said it himself at fundraiser for high dollar donors.
Do you have any evidence or proof of this to share with me?
I mean the cages trump locked children in, were built by obama to lock children in.
The Obama administration did not have a policy to separate families arriving illegally at the border. Family separations rarely happened under the Obama administration, which sought to keep families together in detention. Then, based on a court decision, it released families together out of detention.
Their plan is to roll back trump's tax cuts, but i haven't seen any evidence they are willing to go much further than that.
What do you mean by this?
Basically none of what you have described is a fundamental change (except the environment). most of it is a return to obama era policies. IE, the failed policies that caused people to vote for trump in the 1st place.
A return to Obama era policies is fundamental change from the status quo of Trump's policies, correct? Nonetheless you haven't denied the Dems plan to go further left than Obama on healthcare, the environment and taxes. You can read here about how Biden's tax proposals are similar to Obama's, but he has expanded on them. Regardless Biden can't do anything when it comes to taxes - Congress has to do it. They have the power of the purse, not Biden.
I'm curious why you think Obama won both of his elections by a landslide if his policies were so unpopular. And if Obama had similar policies to Trump's biggest proposals (i.e. the border wall) why would voters like Trump doing that but dislike Obama doing it? Which policies of Obama's do you think caused people to vote Trump?
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@HistoryBuff
They think that if they can just "return to normal" that everything will be fine. The work they plan to do is to try to restore order but to fundamentally change nothing. They will learn none of the right lessons from this election the same way they learned nothing from trump's election in 2016.
All of this is your unsubstantiated opinion though, not fact.
People can't simultaneously say Dems want to "change nothing" but at the same time say their agenda is to "implement radical far left policies."
They will struggle to get things done but clearly want to make some fundamental changes almost all agree on. The big one is expanding government healthcare. Most Dems also want to end or mitigate Trump's border policies. They want to move toward renewable energy (the Green New Deal is very unpopular though and is not a serious goal as written). And they want to rewrite the tax code so as to tax the 1% and corporations more. Whether or not any of this gets done will largely depend on how obstructionist the GOP Senate wants to be, but it's not true they want to "fundamentally change nothing." Some are saying they want to expand the Court or add Congressional seats lol is that nothing?
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I don't know a single Democrat that was/is excited about Joe Biden or the future of the Party.
I have not heard a single person say things are looking good for Democrats ahead.
It's just that they're happy Trump is gone and people feel the need to push back against their gloating with observations like this.
I'm pretty sure every single Democrat in the country knows there's a lot of work to be done.
There's already infighting between moderates and progressives, let alone keeping the favor of non-Dems.
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@thett3
I think the biggest takeaway is the inaccuracy of pollsters which I don't believe was intentional. Contrary to the assertion that Dems are trying to rig the election by putting out false polls (which isn't even "rigging" anyway and may even encourage people to vote for Trump since he appeared to be behind) I know for a fact that Dems believed those polls were accurate. I have a few friends who work for the Party and they were genuinely shocked and gutted at how wrong they were about a few races, particularly Susan Collins. I dunno if she's a goddess though so much as just someone everyone knows. She's been in Congress for like 23 years. According to Republicans, wouldn't that make her an Establishment hack? Interesting.
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@thett3
Certain elements on the left all but call for the extermination of Western society and culture. They claim that America is a white supremacist country, that white men are scum, that the police need to be systemically dismantled and replaced with social workers (lol), and they try to destroy the livelihoods of any who dare disagree with them.
Did that circle jerk chat finally get too boring for you :)
The "extermination of western society and culture" sounds like hyperbolic fear mongering regurgitated from Tucker Carlson. The sky is falling! The sky is falling! Meanwhile no city has dismantled the police or even seriously tried. Minneapolis said they would but predictably got nowhere. Trump said it was like pulling teeth trying to get modest criminal justice reform even among Democrats. Nobody actually believes the police are being abolished. The black community has been particularly vocal about not wanting that, so bringing this up is just something the right-wing does (over and over) to scare people into thinking "America is being destroyed" by people who want to get rid of bad cops.
Pointing out a history of white supremacy (and backing it up with facts) is not a condemnation that "white men are scum" lol that's clever though. That's a brilliant narrative for the GOP to push considering so many uneducated and low-information fragile white people will definitely believe that's what Demonrats are saying.
But Cancel Culture is nothing new. Conservatives have been the biggest culprits of all and it's not even close. Like I said in another thread: they'd cancel my marriage if they could. They relentlessly tried to cancel celebrities and media personalities who say "offensive" things for decades (like Eminem or Howard Stern) with government agencies like the FCC. They tried to criminalize dissent of Israel, with even convincing some states to require loyalty oaths to Israel in order to get government contracts. Liberty Republican Rand Paul demanded the FBI go after protesters who yelled at him in the street. Liberty Republican Ted Cruz wants the government banning films he doesn't like. But all the "freeze peach" anti-cancel culture nags have to rage about is annoying campus liberals shouting down speakers and people being mean to Jordan Peterson and JK Rowling on the internet. Someone like Bari Weiss is the perfect example of this. She's spent her entire adult life trying to ruin people's careers over their opposition to Israeli apartheid. She's spent her entire career falsely accusing people of anti-Semitism for criticizing Zionism. Then she went on Bill Maher and spoke about how "Cancel Culture is social murder" because people pushed back against her views lol. What a joke. The last few months have just been a massive reminder that the right *invented* cancel culture in this country, and when they cancel you it's not just with mean tweets or the private sector exercising its freedom of association; it's with the power of the US government behind them.
What is a shy Republican?
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@sadolite
The election has not been called and no candidate has been legally or officially been elected President. Just thought all you people who think the election is over should know that.
Why did Trump give a victory speech on Wednesday?
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@sadolite
Every scientific theory starts out as a hypothesis. Once it is tested and proven, it is considered a "fact" until or unless it is superseded with better evidence. For instance it was a theory (rejected by the church) that the Earth revolved around the sun. Then we proved it. Now it is considered a fact.
I didn't say all theories are facts (only the ones that have been verified). Reading comprehension is another great skill to learn early on.
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Alight I guess since you can't mass claim in forum games the theme hinderance isn't as bad.
Fair warning I'm probs not gonna participate as much on DP1 as I usually do. We'll see.
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7. WaterPhoenix
8. Greyparrot
9. Crocodile
10. Danielle
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@ILikePie5
Compulsive Vig is not an everyday role you see😂
Well he was only compulsive on odd day phases with NL i.e. NP1 lol (and possibly but unlikely NP3 which I just added just in case it shook things up, plus it made the riddle sound better :P )
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@Speedrace
I guess I could see how it was a bit town sided but I felt like town could take themselves out a few ways. 3 townie roles could kill, i.e. the Vigilante, Supersaint and Mason Recruiter if they recruited scum and died themselves. I also gave the mafia a decent claim (watcher) + Godfather that could be recruited to the masons to prove their innocence, and private riddles hinted at a fake claim for him i.e. cop.
Almost all DP1s end in a no lynch meaning Luna would have had to kill on NP1. He only shot at Pie cuz Pie claimed he was deathproof for some reason. Otherwise statistically Luna would have killed a townie. Pie could have claimed 1x lynchproof or bulletproof (or not claimed anything). I also suspected Misterchris would use his jailing abilities earlier which would role block some people but he didn't. Plus most town roles were not verifiable at all (Adrenaline Junkie, Restless Spirit, Forgetful Townie) so they served as mislynch targets. Apologies if the game wasn't balanced though.
One thing I forgot to say is I think it was so weird the mafia killed oromagi. He was a good target to try and get town to mislynch IMO. I guess I could see the logic in hindsight.
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Forgot to post the remaining roles:
Speedrace - You are the Tracker. During the night phase you may track a player and see if they visit anyone during the night. You win with the town.
SupaDudz - You are the Restless Spirit. You will still be allowed to vote in the game for the following three day phases after you die. On the first day you are only allowed to cast 3 votes, on the second day 2 votes, and on the third day 1 vote (meaning you can't change it once you cast one vote). Your votes will not reflect publicly in the day phase and you will not count as a living player for the majority number. You win with the town.
Misterchris - You are the Jailkeeper. During the night phase you may place a player in jail, effectively preventing them from being targeted by any night action or carrying out any night action. You win with the town.
Greyparrot - You are the Forgetful Townie. You start the game not knowing what your role is. You find out on night phase 3. You win with the town.
You remember that you are the Treestump. You have no special role while alive, however, may still talk in the day phase upon your death (though you cannot vote and will not be counted among the living players). You win with the town.
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@Lunatic
@Greyparrot
@Speedrace
@LikeMagic
@Intelligence_06
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Intel (Misterchris, Speedrace, Supa) -- 3/3 votes
Intelligence, Greyparrot
Intelligence has been lynched. He was GUILTY! TOWN WINS!!! Congratulations - End Game link
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T O W N . . . W I N S !!!
I believe this is the first game I've modded where town has ever won. Congrats!
Dead
Pie: mafia Judas
oromagi: town Supersaint
Hamburgler: town Adrenaline Junkie
Magic: town Mason Recruiter
Lunatic: town Vigilante
SirAnonymous: mafia Watcher
Intelligence: You are the Godfather. You appear innocent to any role or alignment investigation of any kind. You win with the mafia.
Alive
01 Speedrace
02 Supadudz
03 Greyparrot
04 Misterchris
[ Notes ]
I did not assign Greyparrot or Pie's role on purpose lol. I actually designed this game before the game where Luna was Judas. The reason I did not want to confirm whether or not I assigned roles randomly is because the clue about Luna being town spelled out in the riddle would prove they were not randomly assigned (or I didn't want to confuse anyone about it). I didn't give much thought to role assignments outside of Luna being town though.
MVP - Speedrace
[ Riddles ]
As I said some of the riddles or clues would be more obvious or useful than others. A few of the clues in this game were of no use as they hinted at the Watcher being scum, but the mafia Watcher didn't claim his real role anyway. Also the best clues I had were in relation to the Judas and Supersaint roles, but since they died right away I didn't get to use them.
~ Day Phase 1 ~
Let's infer who to lynch through the mod's little riddles
Unless you oddly prefer to remain noncommittal
Nostalgic for days with none clipped in the night
All equipped with ways to try and put up a good fight
It may not always work; some will wind up in a casket
Seldom is every ability or possibility an asset
Town consults with each other to hope scum gets busted
Only problem is that not everyone can be trusted
Wise to wangle good favor from their solid disguise
Nefarious scum will not waiver; their eyes' on the prize
1. Unless you oddly prefer to remain noncommittal is a hint that validates the vig claim, because his role is relevant to odd day phases with non committed lynches
2. "All equipped with ways to try and help put up a fight" reveals there are no vanillas
3. Seldom is every ability or possibility an asset hints there are some negative town utility roles
4. Wise to wangle good favor with their solid disguise is a hint that even people with solid disguises, i.e. good role claims or with inno investigations (recruits) might not be town
5. Nefarious scum do not waiver; they keep their EYES' on the prize is an obscure hint about the Watcher being mafia, as that possession of eyes' is singular and relevant to one person watching
6. And of course LUNA IS TOWN is spelled out with the first letter of each line, validating his affiliation (I suspected some might consider him third party)
~ Day Phase 2 ~
How many hints? You never be sure! I'll tell you there's six but technically more.
This lets you know there were at least 6 hints given (this was the 7th hint, i.e. technically more)
In post # 80 I said "let's get back on track" which was a subtle nod to Speed in case he had to claim (he's the tracker). A few people's attention was toward him at the time I made that celebratory post about ByeDon's win.
~ Day Phase 3 ~
Watch out! And LET'S GET READY TO RUMBBBLEEE
Again this was a clue about the Watcher being scum. It wound up not being very helpful because the Watcher did not claim his real role. The link was a reference to a fight between a "two party system," i.e. no third parties being in the game. This was something both teams were worried about.
~ Day Phase 4 ~
Fuck your day phase 4 clue - this picture of a Go Green sign was a nod to "saving the trees," i.e. a reference to Greyparrot being a tree stump which he just found out that night phase. I knew the game wouldn't go on much longer though hence the little quip about ya'll not really needing another clue.
~ Mafia Riddles ~
On NP1 they got this picture saying "Welcome to CHAZ." This is a reference to the CHAZ/CHOP co-op which was an indication that there was not a cop in the game. However since there was a Godfather, I wanted to hint it would actually allow him to appear innocent to a mason recruit. (Get it? CHAZ - masons/vigilante/no cops?) Their night phase 2 was a picture of a piglet being crossed out, basically spelling out no cops being in the game at all in case that wasn't clear. This paved the way for a fake cop or role cop claim in case they needed it. On NP 3 I gave them this picture of some random ass character I googled named "Fasttrack." This was a hint that Speed was the tracker. I assumed they wouldn't know who that character is (who does?) but they could have searched the web for the image + the name was referenced in the link.
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Intel (Misterchris) -- 1/3 votes
Supa, Intelligence, Misterchris, Speedrace
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Intel (Misterchris, Speed) -- 2/3 votes
Supa, Intelligence, Misterchris
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@Greyparrot
@Vader
@Speedrace
@MisterChris
@Intelligence_06
It takes 3 votes to lynch. Fuck your day phase 4 clue - you don't need it :) The day phase will end at 4:30 pm EST on 11/11/20.
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Pie: mafia Judas
oromagi: town Supersaint
Hamburgler: town Adrenaline Junkie
Magic: town Mason Recruiter
Lunatic: town Vigilante
SirAnonymous: You can watch a player at night and see if they are visited by another player. You win with the mafia.
Alive
01 Speedrace
02 Supadudz
03 Intelligence
04 Greyparrot
05 Misterchris
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@MisterChris
@Intelligence_06
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SirAnon (Speed, Greyparrot, Misterchris, Supa) -- 4/4 votes
SirAnon, Intelligence
SirAnon was lynched - He was GUILTY!!! Get your night actions in ASAP and NO MORE TALKING!!!
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@Vader
@Speedrace
@SirAnonymous
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SirAnon (Speed, Greyparrot, Misterchris, Supa) -- 4/4 votes
SirAnon, Intelligence
SirAnon was lynched - He was GUILTY!!! Get your night actions in ASAP and NO MORE TALKING!!!
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@Greyparrot
makes it really hard to know for sure what Trump wanted.
He said that (he wanted to ban all Muslims) on numerous talk shows and at multiple rallies. Unless you're saying we can't know for sure what he wanted because he's a pathological liar, then I'd venture to say we can take a pretty solid guess per all of the documented video and written records of him saying just that.
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@lady3keys
For the 55%-56% of white women who voted for Trump, I am truly ashamed.
A lot of women have low self-esteem and subsequently terrible taste in men. Sad. I'm glad you liked the rap though lol. Let the healing begin.
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@sadolite
How much fraud is acceptable?
Trump encouraged his supporters to commit voter fraud but still lost the election by millions of votes just like he did last time, and this time the Electoral College reflects that. The hilarious part is Trump bragging about how the GOP did amazing at the polls by keeping the Senate, not losing any House seats and electing more Republican women than ever... but at the same time saying the polls are "rigged" lol. His supporters are obviously too stupid to see why that's nonsensical.
It's like saying some science is true and some is fraud but we will go ahead and accept all science is fact. Wait, we do that now, never mind.
A scientific theory is considered "fact" or consensus until it superseded with better evidence. We learn why that is in elementary school.
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SirAnon (Speed, Greyparrot, Misterchris) -- 3/4 votes
Supa, SirAnon, Intelligence
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@Vader
Right, Trump couldn't ban all Muslims because it's unconstitutional, but that's what he WANTED to do. That's what he kept saying at his rallies and people cheered. He said it over and over during the campaign and all over Fox News. So of course when he won, liberals were like whoa there's that many Islamophobes in this country who think that's okay? What group is next? We've already seen him want to give the death penalty to 5 innocent black men exonerated by DNA evidence (he refuses to admit he was wrong about that). He wanted to deport Dreamers and portrayed illegal immigrants as rapists and low lives. He would call any political or celebrity opponent horrible names, including a war hero like John McCain whom he mocked for being a POW. There are so many examples of him being heinous, and again that is the leader of the Free World that children all over the globe will be looking up to. So of course when people saw such an undignified disgrace win an election to become POTUS, there was sadness and grief.
But what Trump is doing is trying to discredit the entire voting process simply because he lost. My problem with this in the big picture is not that you're a conservative (because #1 I'm not super liberal myself, and #2 I'm very open minded in general) it's that you aren't acting as alarmed about this as you should be. Yes Ben Shapiro acknowledged Trump lost the election and that's great, but you've been talking about how Democrats shouldn't be happy they won because they did so poorly elsewhere. You are talking about how liberals were upset in 2016 as some sort of justification for what Trump supporters are doing now. You are talking about anything you can to talk trash about "the other side" rather than acknowledge that this is not normal or acceptable behavior from the President. You and all of his other supporters, not just Ben Shapiro, need to call it out for what it is. Because the fact that Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson and other MAINSTREAM TALKING HEADS are perpetuating this narrative that the election was "stolen" from Trump is very alarming. I feel like every Trump supporter should be having a come to Jesus moment about how their favorite person on the planet really is the psycho narcissist the media has been portraying him has. Like sure maybe you like his policies, but he's a fucking piece of shit. Good riddance.
Anyway we can talk about Marco Rubio now. Do you really think Republicans will love him that much? He doesn't have that chutzpah Trump does. Nobody's waving giant Marco Rubio flags except for maybe some Hispanic-Americans. He'll have to beg people to vote; it's not gonna be like Trump where people are out there ready to go to war for him. I could see a bigger personality being the candidate of choice. But maybe. Maybe Nikki Haley, or maybe even someday Ivanka. Yikes.
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SirAnon (Speed, Greyparrot) -- 2/4 votes
Supa, SirAnon, Intelligence, Misterchris
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Dead
Pie: mafia Judas
oromagi: town Supersaint
Hamburgler: You are the Adrenaline Junkie. You will die one night delayed if killed at night. You win with the town.
Magic: You are the Mason Recruiter. Each night you may attempt to recruit a player into the mason PM. If you attempt to recruit a scum aligned player, you will die. You win with the town.
Lunatic: You are the (semi-compulsive) Vigilante. On odd day phases that end in a NL, you must shoot at someone the following night phase. You win with the town.
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SirAnon (Speed) -- 1/4 votes
Supa, SirAnon, Intelligence, Greyparrot, Misterchris
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Supa (Speed) -- 1/4 votes
Supa, SirAnon, Intelligence, Greyparrot, Misterchris
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