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@K_Michael
Yeah, we used to have them but then I was doing refactoring and "temporarily" dropped them and you know, nothing is as permanent as something temporary, but I am almost done with the full rewrite and they will be back 
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Solution To Raise The Number Of Active Accounts
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@Mharman
Nah, I hate the ads as the next guy, so that won’t happen. 
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Solution To Raise The Number Of Active Accounts
Hey guys, just wanted to let you know that I am finishing the new version of the website and after the migration, not only we'll have updates on a weekly basis, but also I'll send emails inviting people back to the website. And I'll clean up the garbage on the social networks and see how much money I can put into the ads there.

And we'll have a proper feed page, to keep folks more engaged with what's happening with their friends. 
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@K_Michael
Understood, added it to the backlog

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@Intelligence_06
For FF debates the other side automatically wins. For both FFs it is an automatic tie. There is no reason to vote here because of course it will come down to one side winning.
I am trying to be careful with such things but I imagine we can come up with a decent approach to automate things.

Also as I mentioned somewhere before, I am working on a completely new version of the website, frankly with the same ugly interface but with much more well-thought system, especially for debates. I think first I will release this improved version but only with a subset of the features that we already have here and then polish those as well and put them back.  For example, the system with the profile questions is a mess and I will need to modify it in a quite a big way.

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@Barney
Apparently users cannot block moderators. I just doublechecked, and indeed I cannot block other moderators.
That was intentional, because my concern here is that the mods may not have a way to reach out to a user to give him or her a warning, for example. And that can be problematic. 
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@Intelligence_06
Good ideas mate, I'll write them down and see what I can do in the new version. 
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@Barney
That's a good idea, will do. I am actually working on a new version of a website with bunch of changes, so this one will get included as well. I will try to deliver everything in a couple of months but can't say for sure coz that's of work :/
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Debate Data for DART
Wow, that's some interesting stuff 
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@Nyxified
Understood, will try to fix, thanks!
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@ComputerNerd
Can you please elaborate what you mean by saving the drafts? Prevent them from being automatically discarded after 24 hours? 
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@Nyxified
I think we had a couple of ads somewhere but they got disabled because Google needs me to provide some additional info and I don't have time to do that haha
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This website is Russia-owned. What is our official stance on the Russian genocide of Ukraine?
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@BearMan
It's not though, the server and everything else is in the uk, I don't trust Russia with that. Only the domain was bought in Russia simply coz it was cheaper. 
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@Nyxified
Yeah, that's definitely a good idea. My idea was to implement something like "qualifications", which means that you can do some actions only when you are qualified enough for them. We just need to design and think it through properly.
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This website is Russia-owned. What is our official stance on the Russian genocide of Ukraine?
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@TheUnderdog
Your Russian.  What do you think about this?
I don't have a lot of time to properly read the thread and give a proper answer but I'll just say what I think, and that's just my subjective opinion.

So basically what they have in Russia is classical kleptocracy, which means that the politicians and most people in the government serve themselves. That's one of the reasons why the country has been going down for a long time. Another problem is that even up to this day, a lot of population grew up in the Soviet Union and therefore they barely know anything about how to live in the modern world and they stick to the old ways, which means that instead of fighting for their rights and freedom, they shut up and hide to avoid any problems. And my second point brings to the first one. As some smart person said: people deserve the governments that they have. And it seems like it's a vicious circle, in the sense that the country needs a better and modern education but the government is corrupted and it's not in its interest to educate people. So I am not sure what's gonna happen to it in the long run but I sure as hell don't want to be a part of it.

When it comes to the war, I despise it and the fact that Russia attacked a brotherly nation just pisses me off. I will never shake a hand to anyone who supports it. This war has ruined many lives on both sides and it doesn't make any sense to me.

PS: I left Russia half a decade ago so I may not have the best grasp of the situation. Also, please don't take it as something more than just my opinion. I can't even write such things without getting highly emotional. 
 


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@Mharman
@DeprecatoryLogistician
I’m not sure this would help. If people are forfeiting rounds it means something came up so they don’t have the time (in which losing the debate and the corresponding elo is a penalty enough) or it means that they outright don’t care about the debate. If it’s the latter, than they’re also not going to care about any penalty assigned to them, because these people tend not to stick around for long anyways.

I think the most important question here is: Why do some users create an account only to stop caring about it and how can we get more users to stay?
That's a good point, thanks for bringing it up.

This one might be a little more time consuming to implement, but a better text editor with more options for different styles of text (font, size,  color, etc.) could make organization of rounds much clearer.
There's a problem with this approach: anyone with a least a bit of understanding of how it works can make font-size 200px and then it will take the page unreadable and I can't even validate that on the server... But I will look into it, maybe there's something after all.

How about more rewards for users who stick around to participate in more debates and more rewards for those who do well in them? 
Yeah, the whole rewards system will have to be implemented. Provide proper internal currency and then means to earn it and spend it.
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Desired debating features
Hi folks,

There have been a lot of ideas about features for debates and I'd like to have them all in one place. So if you have any ideas or suggestions, please voice them here.

My current ideas:

  • We definitely need to have some form of discouragement for forfeits
  • We need more strict separation between rated and "normal" debates
  • We need a feature to "surrender"
  • We need to handle situations when participants get banned

That's just to get started, what else do we have?




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@Mharman
Yeah, I've had code for it for a long time, I just gotta integrate it properly.
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@Ramshutu
Hi, thanks for the idea, will do. I am actually rebuilding a lot of things from scratch to make them much more proper.  Hopefully there's gonna be a preview soon :)
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Yeah, I think RM is right, my guess would be that the question was had been deleted by the sender before you could answer it, there's a time window to do that. 
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What Happens When You Forget Your Password and Email?
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@Crocodile
How would you get locked out? Please let me know if you had some issues. That shouldn't happen
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Authorless questions
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@Sum1hugme
"What are the three numbers on the back of the card?"
That cracked me up 
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Authorless questions
Since I am working on restructuring the profile page and the questions section in particular, I thought that maybe it would be a good idea to implement authorless questions,  i.e. questions that users receive from the website itself, not from any specific user. These questions could be somewhat general and in my vision, could help people get to know each other. Those questions would not be necessary to answer and would pop up only when there are no other questions received from the real users, so that they wound't spam the inbox.

My idea here is to ask you guys help me compile an initial set of such questions that you think would be interesting to answer or get an answer for.

I think they should be general but not too boring, so something like "What is your position on abortion?" instead of "What do you eat for breakfast?"

So, what do you guys think? Do you like the idea? And if so, would you be willing to help me? :)

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@TheUnderdog
Ads barely make any money, just extra few bucks to cover the hosting expenses. 
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@RationalMadman
@Nyxified
Oh I see, thanks. So you would like to have an editor button to indent lines for you? 
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@Nyxified
What kind of indents do you mean?


Like this above this sentence? As in empty lines? 
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@RationalMadman
Are you sure? There is no visible scrollbar, but still can swipe the tabs left and therefore move to the right, where you can the questions tab.
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@RationalMadman
Questions are still available, the tabs are horizontaly scrollable. 
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@Wylted
read title. I am curious about how you would value a crypto currency to k ow you are getting a fair deal.
I think cryptocurrencies world is wild West, but in my opinion, what makes the most sense is to buy something that has a utility and a chance to get adopted by a large number of people or companies. The truth though is that most crypto assets that we have today won't be here in the next 2-3 years so it's a bit tricky, that is why I'd say that people should invest only money that they afford to lose and hope that they are right. At this stage, it's more like gambling, in my opinion.
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Can you change your pfp name?
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@Intelligence_06
Yeah, I know, at this point I have never changed the profile name for the same user twice, so it's okay
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Can you change your pfp name?
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@Wylted
Alrighty then, I'll do it today or tomorrow
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Can you change your pfp name?
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@Dynasty
There is no way to do it via the website yet but I can do it manually for you, just DM me the new one 
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@RationalMadman
Hi, please don't be silly, I urge people to "complain" about things like that coz only this way I can fix them since I can't always find such issues by myself :)

And I really appreciate it.

I am afraid I am struggling to understand the problem, would it be possible to maybe record a short screen video or at least a screenshot and send a link to it to me via PM?
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  • Updated profile medals page
  • Made some tiny changes to profile info page
  • Fixed a couple minor issues

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@Nyxified
No, thank you for being here :) I hope you are having a good time!
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Love the new mobile profile formatting.
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@Sum1hugme
Sorry it's taken so long but I've fixed it now.
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@Nyxified
Would you be open to accepting volunteers to help with the website and, if so, what kind of qualifications would they need?

I'm nowhere near qualified to do much of, well, anything when it comes to programming yet, but I'd love to help at a time in the future when I'm more capable.
To be honest, I am not sure yet, I think the field where I'd definitely appreciate some help is testing new features coz sometimes the code changes are rather big and it's hard to be sure that stuff still works as expected, especially on different devices.
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@Lunatic
Rephrase: Do you have a guess for when the group messaging will be complete?
Oh :/

I'll get to the office space redesign right after refactoring the profile pages, so I'd say in 2-3 months but I suck at estimations.
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@Lunatic
I understand the issue with not having enough time. If you don't have time, you don't have time not much more to it than that. The site is free and a personal project you chose to do of your own volition, which we are greatful. I think the idea of the patreon is great, I am more just curious if you had like higher tiers other than the 3 dollars a month one if that would incentivize maybe a deeper interest in putting more of your valuale time into some of these developments?
Yeah, I will need to properly think it through and come up with a plan to restructure the whole thing, because it was added rather quickly and without much thought put into it.

I am aware that you do put a lot of effort into fixng bugs. Some of those other features are pretty nifty as well, specifically having wallpapers and backgrounds, I always loved doing that on myspace back when it was big. 
Soon you will be able to enjoy that again :)

It is good to know the code is ready for group messaging! That is one of the core features this website was missing in my opinion that DDO had. It will make mafia games much easier as well, and coordinating group events that don't neccesitate forums. Do you by chance have a tenative time line for the group messaging system being implemented or are you playing it by ear?
If to be honest, I didn't understand the question, could you please provide some example of what those tentative time lines are? I've never heard this term before.

Coming from DDO where there was literally no effort put into development for several years, I can say I am very greatful for the time and effort. It's good to know that there are still developments being worked on and not being maintained. I hope this forum didn't come across as me being ungrateful for any of it. On the contrary I am trying to say I'd be willing to pay more money to reward such efforts as long as it seemed there was a significant effort being made into developments from the patreon costs. 
No, it's me who is grateful that you are here :) And no, I didn't think that, no worries :)

But bluntly put, Patreon money will never be enough to hire an additional developer, for example. I could change the priorities of the features according to the donations, and most likely the extra money would go into advertising the site. 
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@Bones
This one is probably controversial, there's lots of people that are annoyed by such things :/ 
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@Vader
I think there should be a bigger "reward" for people who contribute to their patreon. I like your idea but I think there should be more of a reward. Anyone could give a suggestion that isn't a patreon and something the suggestions given are nearly impossible to implement (Mike was talking about how group PM's will take a long time to do in general).

I think there should be a credits page (a page dedicated to Patreon supporters). Right now if you donate money, you get coins added your account. I think there should be more of a reward system for Patreon that distinguishes their support.
That's true and I think the whole thing should be properly designed, coz it was added just as a quick solution and barely thought through. My current idea is:

  • Provide more interesting ways to spend credits, be it some decorations, just as you suggested, dedicated "supporters" website's areas (I believe Reddit has something like that) or maybe things like payment for votes, so that people can pay their credits to others to vote on the debates and therefore those people that get paid, can do the same for their debates and so on, so maybe it would make sense to have it as an internal currency, in a way. But also credits could be earned via on-site achievements and whatnot. But that's just a random idea, haven't thought properly about it. Anyway, I do realize that it needs to be properly designed.
  • Redesign Patreon tiers and provide different bonuses depending on the tier.
  • Check if Patreon provides a way to notify the server about the changes and have a dedicated credits page here, as you suggested. Or something of the kind. It all needs proper thinking. 

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@Lunatic
Thanks for bringing this up, that's an interesting topic. I will try to reply step by step.

I think you have a great idea with the website, and the patreon is also a good idea. I have donated myself a few times to the patreon, but have stopped because it seems like the sole purpose of the patreon is to just float hosting costs. How interested would you be in making useful updates to the website based on member suggestions? If this was the case I would be a lot more willing to donate more consistently to the site if I thought something was being done to improve the site rather than just maintain it's existence
The website is still actively developed, just not exactly fast considering that I have a daily work and unfortunately have only a couple of free hours in the evenings. For example, in the last 2-3 months, I've fixed a bunch of glitches on the forum,  made it much better optimised for mobile users and made some changes to the way things work. After that, I worked on the auth system, same stuff here, mobile and design optimisations and the most important one was adding invisible Google 3 captcha, to make it harder on bots. Also not super exciting feature, but quite needed. Now I am working on the profile pages, which don't even have a mobile version at all. You can check the main profile page here and see a new design, which is not only mobile optimised and better looking, but will also allow users to upload "wallpapers" or "banners", whatever they are called.

When it comes to the group messages, believe me or not, I already have the code for that, but my idea was to first clean up the office space first: remove all those sections like "My debates" and "My forum topics" and "My questions" and move all of them to the profile pages, so all this info is in one place. And after I'd refactor the activities section, to make it much better and properly structured, I was planning to steal some ideas from GitHub, and of course the chat, make it mobile friendly and add group messages. So the bottom line is that it's still very actively developed and Patreon is there not only to cover the hosting costs, but also to see that all this effort is appreciated at least by a few people  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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@Sum1hugme
Glad to hear that you love it :) I will soon update the other pages, one by one.

I've checked the code and you are absolutely right, I messed it up. Will fix today after work :)

And thanks a lot for letting me know, I really appreciate it!

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@drlebronski
But you can always create debates and specify the opponents that you know will be interesting to oppose.
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@Bones
Not at all an urgent matter, but it would be great to have a feature where mods can over-ride the voting period in the situation that a member is banned or a concession was made. 
Yeah, I remember about it, we will definitely have something like that :)
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@Intelligence_06
Woooooooo, thanks a lot for bringing this issue up!
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@Intelligence_06
Done. Can you give it a try?
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@Intelligence_06
I did my research and I may have found a way to make it work for you, even without VPN, I will test it and deploy the changes tomorrow/the day after.
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@Intelligence_06
Are you located in China? I heard that Google is not exactly liked there and therefore you may not be able to get JavaScript file that is responsible for the anti-bot protection, since it's by Google. Can you use some VPN and see if it works?
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@Intelligence_06
Do you have JavaScript enabled? Is there any chance that something disables it? Also, can you please provide details about your browser? The name and the version.

Also, please make sure that you disable your AdBlocks, they may be causing problems since now the authentication forms use anti-bot system by Google called ReCapthca and there is a chance that some adblocks or browsers may be deleting the code that is required for it to run.
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