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@Earth
@sui_generis
@Mharman
@airmax1227
@ComputerNerd
No more gender reveals until pie has done so, please. As soon as he does I would like one from the five of you though, don't care what order.
Let's not let my plan take up half the DP, it isn't that critical it's just a small place to start. We have a lot of work ahead of us.
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P.S. Someone please tag GP and ask for his vote too. I cannot do so due to being blocked from his safe space.
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@Vader
@whiteflame
@Mikal
@badger
If you like my idea of early gender reveal to limit future scum fake claims then please join me in pressuring pie to be the next one to do so.
I personally think his reluctance is sketchy but for the four of you that went with my plan even if you don't think he is being suspicious I assume you still think he should gender reveal for the reasons I said otherwise you four wouldn't have so even if you don't want to lynch him now please at least get him to do that.
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@ILikePie5
I don't think such a general big picture thing is something we need to 'popcorn'. Me choosing earth to vote for was just to put my vote somewhere random, popcorning would be a lot more time intensive than people just saying their genders in any order as about half of people have up to this point.
But if calling you out specifically is what it takes to get you to go with it then so be it. Unvote vtl pie.
But if calling you out specifically is what it takes to get you to go with it then so be it. Unvote vtl pie.
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1. Mikal - Female
2. iLikePie5 - Declined to reveal gender
3. Supadudz - Male
4. Badger - Male
5. DD - Female
6. Earth - No information
7. ComputerNerd - No information
8. Suigeneris - No information
9. Mharman - No information
10. Whiteflame - Female
11. Greyparrot - Charlotte Byrde
12. Airmax122 - No information
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Since earth have a vote already I'll flip a coin to decide which to pile on to for the next claim... and it's earth.
Since two have a vote already*
I wrote this after the coin flip so freudian slip I guess... I really did flip a coin though lol.
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Struggling to think of something worthwhile as a first post when there is no basis for reads on anyone.
Random thought, let's have all 12 players specify whether they are male or female. Never watched it before but a quick google search shows that this is probably not the type of show that will have any grey area characters like inanimate objects. Town will be doing nothing to reveal their roles, mafia will be forced into limiting potential future fake claims, and the process of working through one person at a time and making them do this will potentially generate behavior.
I'll go first. My character is female.
Since earth have a vote already I'll flip a coin to decide which to pile on to for the next claim... and it's earth.
VTPPARSTAIMBRFTT Earth
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@Solaris1
The problem of evil is only an argument against the version of god that is all-good, all-powerful, and all-knowing. The version you present in the OP says that we cannot know god's intentions, therefore we cannot know that version of god is all-good. Therefore the problem of evil is from the start not even trying to address the version of god that you are referring to.
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/in
Creepy how my first time seeing an ad for this show pop up on Netflix was less than 10 minutes before opening DART and seeing this thread.
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Apparently computernerd may not bee too active for a few days.
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@Wylted
Sui is basically a doctor so 3.
He's not though...
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Discord (where my PM is) is apparently down at the moment so will do the above later.
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Okay, going to seal my vote for WF asap (not sure if I need to convince computernerd but I assume so).
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@Wylted
If there were 2 scum would we not expect 4 deaths? (1 from lynch, 1 from scum team A, 1 from scum team B, and 1 from GP's ability)? We only got 3 deaths.
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@Wylted
It is possible that you are telling the truth about your role but that whiteflame is still guilty. In that scenario you didn't redirect the kill, it was aimed at warren naturally as he was a lone wold and mafia thought he was town (read his PM, lone wolf/traitor is potentially implied).
We need to know whether you are willing to VTL whiteflame. It is reasonable for you to think he is town confirmed because he was targeted for the kill (as only a townie would be) and you saved him, but please consider the above scenario as well.
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all the dead guy PMs.
Warren doesn't count here since the "infected" role is something mikal just made up.
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@Lunatic
Ah I hate to say it but that is actually sus. Maybe mikal worded PM's differently from each other though, but what you described is almost right according to my own PM with one major detail missing. The fact that this was so close but different in a very dinstinct might have been the nail in the coffin for me :/
I assume you and I are thinking the same thing here. I considered the "maybe worded other PMS differently" as well but since you seem to have noticed the same thing I will assume your PM has it too, plus look at all the dead guy PMs.
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@Lunatic
If the majority of players decide they want to vote off WF this DP would you do vote WF in your PM?
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@Lunatic
Having a doctor, a jailkeeper, and a bulletproof is very different than having a doctor and a doctor.
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@Lunatic
Having a doctor and a bulletproof is different than having a doctor and a doctor.
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Therefore anyone besides whiteflame that has a problem with voting for whiteflame MUST SPEAK UP NOW so we can straighten out and get on the same page.
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Because of the infection role we need ALL TOWNIES to vote the same person. Mafia have no incentive to bus their buddies this DP.
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I think we should lynch whiteflame. Not going to lock in my vote with the mod yet but that's where it is going to go unless something extraordinary comes up. Way too much going against him at this point.
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@ILikePie5
I think I may have the dilemma solved. Did you visit Whiteflame at all?
No.
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So me/computer and pie were the only ones that "got frozen"?
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A lot to unpack in this DP, but we still have the CC to possibly concentrate our votes to either earth or WF.
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@ILikePie5
My gut is telling me Grey was telling the truth that he was town, but he’d flip as a scum member.
Ooooooh, he claimed death miller? I thought he claimed normal miller with a role. This changes things.
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@ILikePie5
Earth and Whiteflame.
Didn't notice my typo thanks for pointing it out. Yes, I meant these two..
My question however is why would Earth CC Whiteflame if there are 2 scum left (GP could have been telling the truth). It’s 6-2 and it’d be 3-1 at the end of it with a best case scenario.
Yeah if Earth is scum he would have no reason to do that. Currently leaning towards WF being scum I will have to double check/reread everything that has happened so far under that assumption and see if it adds up.
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@whiteflame
Not much to say on the CC. It's not called "doctor" on mine, but it has the same function, listed as "Breath of Life." Not sure what it's called for Earth or if it is exactly the same, but if so, I can't explain it.
Check your PM. Does it say Breath of Life and Doctor in it or just Breath of Life?
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@ILikePie5
Like I said if this was already brought up I apoligize, still catching up.
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Okay, given wylted doing that redirecting the guilty result is to be ignored but we still have a CC so lynch between lunatic or WF.
Note to self to check their character claims and review the way each claimed doc.
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@Lunatic
Hi guys. Looks like we have a counter claim on whiteflame as well as a guilty result. I am guessing from the OP and events last day phase there was likely two scum teams, which was probably why whiteflame was super okay lynching Greyparrot. Maybe 2 v 2 v 7?
Reading through the DP and making points as I go so sorry if this has been addressed, but read this from warrens PM:
You win with the mafia. If your partners die, you will assume the role of night killing.
Based on this I think there is just one scum team and warren had a kind of 'traitor' role (i.e. scum but not in the PM).
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I also however got a very curious message from Mikal saying (paraphrased): I was affected by the frozen solid status and that because ice covered me my bones are cold to the touch.
computernerd and I also got this, slightly different wording like you said. Not sure what it means.
Before lynching anyone let's get a list of people that were told in their PM the above. Nobody reveal the exact wording just yet. May be useful to know who got this later on when we figure out what it actually means.
List so far:
-DD/CN
-Pie
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Okay claimed cop outing a guilty read seems simple enough. Perfect time for it to happen too, otherwise the infected role would be causing a lot more damage right now. If I was scum and I planned on fake claiming cop there is no way I would do it this dayphase because of the infected role, which makes me lean more towards pie telling the truth.
Gotta lynch one of the two I think, and I am leaning towards whiteflame.
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@ILikePie5
What makes you think he is more likely to be scum than other people that haven't said much? Supa is acting pretty normal for his meta and you have played enough with him that you should know this.
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@ILikePie5
And I voted him for a claim, which he hasn’t done yet.
Maybe he doesn't want to.
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@warren42
You voted him for not posting, he posted, now you’re voting him for doing so.What’s the angle here, that Supa didn’t know what to post and then was like “oh shit I have a vote, better post now!” Or that he was intentionally not posting then decided to since you voted him?
Yeah, pie has been finding some really thin reasons to scum read people. At first thought that it was just him being dumb but now starting to think it might be intentional. I am going to speak to computernerd about switching our vote to him.
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@Vader
2. GreyParrot's char claim is sus to me, not the role, but the claim itself. Then again, I could be overreading the luck out of this
Has he actually said what his role is called or just described what it does?
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Leaning towards pie being dumb town rather than scum though that is the weakest of my reads so far.
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I support my hydra's decision to vote GP. Not 100% on him being scum but his meta does tend to be to immediately full claim his role and usually character in his first post, the fact that he did not do so here is weird coming from him.
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@ILikePie5
If he was scum then GP for him would be a mislynch target.
Put yourself in scum shoes for a sec. You are deciding whether to try to mislynch GP. You know GP is town in this scenario, so you know that it is normal for town to get their PM at the time that GP said he got it, which means you know before you even do it that if you try to mislynch him on those grounds that nobody in the town will go for it.
Think about that. You know for a fact before you even start that it would not work. But you try it anyway? How the hell does that logic work?
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I am leaning heavy town on wylted and WF so far. Will wait for others to respond to the "when did your PM arrive" inquiry.
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@airmax1227
VTPPARSTAIMBRFTT (Vote to politely present a referendum suggesting that an individual might be removed from the township)
I am going to make this a thing or die trying.
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@whiteflame
Did anyone receive their PM this morning?
I did, but as you already noted in post 42 that is probably because I came in late. Merely stating for the record.
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