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@Lunatic
<br>Also as far as the scum slip goes how do we know that supa was targetted and not singularity? If singularity was targetted bullish could be town right? Or would he have died in place of both of them? Sorry if this was talked about already and I missed it
I publicly asked speed this very question. Speed said that bodyguard would have died in supas place (not how it usually goes I know but that is why I asked). This caused bullish to claim he was roleblocked so Siranon publicly asked speed if speed gives notifications to players when they are roleblocked. Speed said yes to that question.
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@Lunatic
And I will assume you meant to tag me in the post with my quote instead of oromagi. The answer to your question is yes. Fishing is different than asking for a claim because you scum read someone.
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@Lunatic
It matters as far as the case against bullish goes doesn't it?
Well like he said you were simply misunderstanding what he meant by "killed two town" but that aside I don't understand why it should matter which death was scum murder and which was WP boob-boom. Could you perhaps explain?
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@SirAnonymous
I'll have to do some rereading.
I probably won't be doing any more of that but if you are then you are truly a brave soul and I offer this tip:
Looking for interactions between those we now know as scum and other players we aren't sure about can offer some obvious clues that we may have missed when we were unsure about both and obviously you already know it is good to look for either buddying or obviously faked controversy, however it can often be just as useful to note any lack of interactions between a known scum and another player. Scum will often subconsciously avoid eachother in the DP for fear that their interactions might give them away for the above mentioned reasons.
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@Lunatic
@drafterman
@warren42
Alright we finally have confirmed scum and just need two more votes. Come kill now.
I am thinking oromagi for 3rd scum based solely on POE. I would have been role confirmed this DP if WP didn't screw around but with a bit of luck I will be next DP.
Everyone has had a chance to say something this DP and nobody has volunteered any results so no need to drag it out any longer. Let's wrap this up and move on, people.
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@ronjs
yes
Okay so you are just misusing the English language. That explains it.
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@ethang5
I did not put quote mark around random words. When I was using the words you used, I put quote marks on them.
So you are "asserting" that the reason you put quote marks around the word "living" in post 6 is because I used the word "live" in a previous post.
Is that the truth or a lie?
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Also I am sure this will come up in the endgame so, just going to say this now... This slip from bullish is not the mods fault. Bullish had all NP to ask the mod questions about how his fake claim (bodyguard) worked and he chose not to.
As town or scum the very first thing you should do after getting your role is ask any question you can think of regarding how that role works, since all mods are going to be different. Mod made you doc? Ask if you can self target. Mod made you bulletproof? Ask whether you will be notified if shot. Mod made you roleblocker? Ask whether your target knows they are roleblocked.
Same goes for if you are fake claiming. Plan on fake claiming bodyguard then telling town that the kill was unpreventable because bodyguards cant stop suicides? That it fine, that's how the role normally works, but if you know over 24 hours in advance that you are going to be in that position maybe just double check with the mod that they work it like that. Just in case. If they do no worries, if not well maybe consider using a different fake claim.
The mod isn't responsible for laying out every possible scenario in your role description. You are responsible for asking questions. That goes double for pre planned fake claims.
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@SirAnonymous
At this point I am at a loss for who might be number three honestly. I spent all DP 1 focused on trying to lynch bullish and all NP 1 stressing out over the fact that I was wrong about pie due to my tunneling of bullish (and tbh stressing out over being wrong about pie may have subconsciously been part of the reason my brain convinced me I was wrong about bullish) that I haven't paid enough attention to everyone else and the argument over whether to lynch pie or bullish last DP stretched the DP out so long that another reread at this point is not something I look forward to.
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Oh okay cool so I was right the first DP after all and you nerds had me doubting myself for nothing.
VTL bullish
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@Lunatic
Mod confirming disc as scum
IDGAF I'll still talk my way out if it lmao.
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@SirAnonymous
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A single vote floating on a fellow townie potential scum isn’t dangerous, a scum seeing a vote floating on a fellow scum is, and just look at Didi’s reaction.
Is this guy seriously implying that I consider a single vote on bullish to be "dangerous"? After I spent 1k posts last DP imploring people to vote for him in the hopes of getting him lynched?
Come on town, if this doesn't look like someone stretching to find a reason to scum read someone then idk what would. Lynch this man.
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My "question" to you is "why" you started the trend of putting "quote marks" around random "words" in the first place. It is quite "confusing".
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I am not "implying" anything in my "quotes". Are you "implying" that I am?
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@ethang5
Not to worry. I'm sure your mom will shoulder the blame for that "poor decision" till you tire again of "living" with those consequences.
I don't understand why you would keep "tagging" me in your "posts" if all you are going to do is say I am a "liar".
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@Deb-8-a-bull
Hey if God wanted us all to go to church, why are they so small?
Yeah he could TARDIS that shit if he wanted to.
Might be something in the city fire code that prevents that though. Imagine a TARDIS church filled with 100 thousand people catching on fire and there only being enough room on the outside part for 4 emergency exits. Oops!
Does god need to worry about random fires in his churches though? Ehhh...
Good game.
Good game.
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@warren42
That is a fair point too. I was just thinking bullish would be a natural mislynch target due to me tunneling him all DP 1. They had no reason not to expect that to continue.
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@warren42
I am caught up, you said that in #96?
I said that I would claim if enough of my town reads asked me to and I stand by that. Not sure about this 'shift in tone' oromagi is referring to.
Why ragnar? He could've just been making assumptions about role mechanics, no?
Since you are caught up you have already read posts 85 and 105, my two main posts for advocating ragnars lynch.
So basically I think bullish is town and since bullish announced publicly that he would target supa it is likely that mafia had a discussion about how bodyguard interacts with lover and thereby discovered speeds bastard version of said interaction. This means that the mafia are more likely to come into the DP already having this information, which ragnar did. I also outline the theory a bit more in the last lines of post 85 as you saw.
Besides, ragnar is always scum.
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@warren42
Omfg catch up first for the love of god it is only 2 pages. Just vote ragnar.
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@SirAnonymous
Would your claiming have the potential to hurt town?
Lesson three, my young Padawan. The above quoted question is very common and really kinda pointless. You will often see someone say something like "I do not want to claim because the scum will kill me". Put yourself in scums shoes for a moment... if you were scum and you saw such a post then what would you do? Yeah, you would kill that person. So did they actually protect their power role from NK by saying that? No they did not. Telling the town you have or do not have a powerful role is as good for the scum as claiming, at least as far as their hunt for powerful roles is concerned.
As scum I tend not to role fish myself because it seems rather pointless but that is a lesson for another day. Other people do role fish as scum so it is still valueable to look for the signs of role fishing to use as a potential scum read.
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@oromagi
I don't like that the rest of your post smells like role fishing to determine whether I am a power role that the mafia should worry about or not.
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@oromagi
You claim that your character is uncommon, right?
I want to be very fucking clear on this. I said my role is uncommon. I did not say my character was uncommon.
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@SirAnonymous
I took Bullish's advice and glanced over the end of DP1. What were the theories you were talking about in this post?
The one that had you as hard scum was invalidated by pies unexpected (to me) guilty flip so no point wasting time talking about it.
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VTL Ragnar
Roleblocked bodyguard is not implausible considering that even if scum knew about speed misusing the bodyguard role they still would not know for a fact that Bullish would decide to target supa. If town he could have easily targeted singularity instead, that would screw them despite speeds incorrect use of the role.
Actually I imagine that in the scenario where bullish is town and came out and said he would protect one of the lovers there would likely be a discussion last NP about how the role relates to lovers and speeds version would have become known to scum in that way. Anyone coming into the DP already knowing that speeds unlikely mechanics are definitely what are being used looks more suspicious under this theory. Yeah, let's lynch lync ragnar guy.
After proofreading this post I think I explained my reasoning for wanting to kill Ragnar clearly enough but if anyone is less than 100% sure about my reasoning please please ask me to clarify and I will. If you understand but disagree that is fine but I want to make sure ppl at least understand... I know I don't always explain myself great.
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I'm sure if you reread the last DP, starting slightly before where Pie started flailing hard, you'll quickly come to the conclusion that DD is scum.
Nah, I think it is pretty obvious pie got bussed. I can see how the mastermind genius known as DD being wrong about something may seem suspicious though so I will claim if enough of my town reads ask me to.
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Oh shit post 80 to 84 happened while typing 85. This game does move fast at times.
VTL Bullish
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If one has doubts about how a role works but wants to use the mechanics of said role as a part of their justification for a read on a player then they should ask the mod how they work the role before proceeding, the way I just did. I think Ragnar knows this. Current theory is scum strategized and decided to try a mislynch bullish today based on DD tunneling bullish all last DP and Ragnar is just borrowing words from other people to use in going with that plot.
VTL Ragnar the Red
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@Speedrace
Since this has already come up a few times would a hypothetical bodyguard targeting supa last night have saved supa if supas death was hypothetically caused by singularity dying in the night as opposed to supa being hypothetically shot?
All hypothetical. No confirmation here.
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@SirAnonymous
Ack, I've done it again. I keep ruining it when other people are looking for behavior to analyze.
It is a mistake I have made myself many times back when I was a noob and got bitched at for a lot (rightfully so I now see in hindsight). General rule of thumb, don't answer questions that are directed at a specific player. Only answer non-directed questions and questions directed at you.
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@drafterman
You saying all three are scum or two of those three are scum because three scum remaining would be absurd.
In this context "scum pile" refers to a pile of players that I do not have a town read on and therefore might be scum by POE.
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@SirAnonymous
Since when does Ragnar vote without explanation and then say he's pretty sure who scum is without explanation?
I don't recall ever playing with him off the top of my head though I am sure I must have at least once or twice. Time to do some research...
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@SirAnonymous
Well I would have rather heard him explain himself so that his explanation could be used for behavior analysis but what you say does make sense.
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@oromagi
re-read DP1#862 to #979. Warren & I confronted Pie, became convinced Pie was scum, voted first & second on Pie and didn't waver for a whole day.
Less than 300 posts does not make "a whole day" when the DP lasted for almost 50 pages.
I think I remember a post by drafter noting the sudden shift to pie and saying it looked like a bus. I noticed the same thing and thought it looked like scum trying to divert a lynch off of a teammate but obviously now that pie has flipped we know the bus theory is more plausible.
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@Barney
Bullish claimed to be protecting Supa last night, but Supa still died and Bullish did not.
Is that... Is that literally the only thing?
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My scum pile is warren oromagi and ragnar and warren just came in spouting a bunch of nonsense about mafia lynchproof so I'll go ahead and vtl warren for now.
Back to lurking.
Back to lurking.
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Testing SAs claim would bring us to mylo in a best case scenario then so we shouldn't do that unless he is for totes scum, which he honestly might be idk. Want to wait for the rest to come in and have a say.
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@drafterman
Bodyguard normally only protects from deaths that could be prevented by a doctor. He would not have been able to delay GPs suicide for example.
Obviously I am not the mod so speed may use the role differently. Feel free to ask them a hypothetical like the one I ask above.
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Wait I have never been in a game with a lynchproof that I can recall.
Speed does the DP end if we hypothetically lynch a hypothetical lynchproof or is it basically like a popular with +infinity votes needed instead of +1?
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@drafterman
@SirAnonymous
1. Bullish needs to explain why he didn't guard Supa/SingleDidn't he tell us that he would guard them? That's suspicious
He can only guard one person. Obviously the explanation will be that he either targeted supa and mafia shot singu or he targeted singu and they shot supa.
Might even be a true explanation too. My scum read of him is lessened after a reread I did in the NP where I noticed a few posts I never noticed before, such as post 234 and a few others.
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@SirAnonymous
It is 2-1-5 rn, though at least all the roles that died last night were negative utility.
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VTL Siranon
Never did get to test that lynchproof claim so let's do that first.
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@WaterPhoenix
I was supposed to be role confirmed today thanks for fucking that up.
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