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We have 6-7 people online.

All do it , lynch the one who says no 

Ez

Plus if Chris gave a character claim he prob left one that is not obvious and one people woudnt expect

So you catch them both ways. 

You push characters and roles as they would not have had time to think about both 

We have two sop claims so mafia already have it down to 

7 people they can target as prs

There is no shitty claims. We have just enough people to do character claims. It means nothing.

How we catch people like this in live is immediate pressure. If you want to catch scum then go all in or don't waste your time with character claims 

If we are doing mass I say we go all the way and poe properly

I think full full. 

Everyone is online and puts them on the spot. 

If we test if , test it all the way and don't give them time to think 

I heard mass claim

We could do character. Tbh if we mass claim for poe 

We just go all out and locked people. Do it now or we don't do it 

Full claim 

Full claim 

Full claim 

Full claim 

Full claim

He clarified after 

"Have given" 

So will leave that alone. But may because I clarified has he or has he not. 

Going to drop that before I go down the rabbit hole of mod pysch

I don't think I'm overthinking it. 

There is a clear distinction between past and future tense and Chris doesn't type like me. 

I don't think so. I do weird shit all the time in live for reactions. The only sop thing I think people shouldn't claim is lynch proof because you are auto assumed judas. 

I also switch miller and pgo like wylted does. You have to claim hated thought because if a vote ends up on you end game even in accident , the game is over 

Justification

I said sop claiming lynch proof is a bad idea 

He named you word for word. That's not what I'm talking about. 

He said "going to give"

And no "I gave them"

"going to"

As in not currently given 

Or he's waiting for them to decide so all the claims given thus far are not fake claims. So it's either mafia yolo or sincere

As bluntly as I can be , I think mafia is offline atm

Pointing back to the wording

"He's going to give them one or the other "

How do you interpret that 

Hated in all circumstances

Chris just slipped I'm pretty sure 

I asked him did he give fake claims or fake roles. He said word for word 

"He will let them chose "

Then clarified the choice is given dp1

Looks very good for oro

That being said mass claiming is now useless knowing that. 

I need to die today or tomorrow unless he we hit scum dp1 

11 person is likely 8 / 3 or 8/2/1

Sop hated 

Soviet union 

typos sorry mid raid. 

No i had you by poe

you were town behaviorally 

At the point I made that he had hardly posted and I had you and him by poe, so it didn't matter the lynch order tbh. It could have been either or. I was pretty confident on drafter but as you said he did it for us when he claimed np3 death as long as we hit 1 scum before that

weird enough I actually think a meta for judas now is just claim vanilla and hope you dont get lynched. Saying Lynch proof in any form just = death. That is true regardless of lynchproof or judas lol

Yeah cus it was heavy protag. Negan as a protag can def multi flex as antag

its why miller made sense

but he also could have easily spun it as protag negan (tech). Was unlikely but possible. I just found it super weird the way redirector was in his paraphrase. Its not something that would be there commonly 

not town read behvaior

I just have a bad habbit of being right on dp1 and getting killed for it. Im going to stop typing all my thoughts until like dp2 lol

So lets say hes trying to spin negan as a good guy that betrayed being bad and it wasnt miller. Lets say he put him as a protag because that is where the series is going and he claimed miller as a way to justify his role and he accidentally typed redirector, it makes total sense. Negan being a redirector lined up with the series (hence why he was thinking about it)

i just wasnt sure if he was being put as a protag or antag. Antag was very likely but if you watch the show or comics they are trying to set him up to be the main character after ricks death. 

He woudnt fake claim the wording of redirector lol

I thought he just paraphrased redirector as miller and forgot it was there

Supa was specifically because he had redirector in his justification. Connor had negan as redirector in his intention for that role and forgot to take it out when he changed it to miller. I was basically spot on with it but he changed it and forgot it was there

You were there just by poe

drafter was there because drafter typically plays more assertive than that, and his theory is let town kill each other. The post you quoted me on was the lynch order I wanted until supa set redirector and then that made me think pie helped him come up with miller. 

So was backing off christ at the end but in my notes I had it split to both those theories. So when chris died, it would have been theory 1 lynch order

Few things I died cus I called the entire scum team out. That is 2 games in a row I died np1 cus of that lol

I told luna my theory 

it was either 

drafter

chris

coal

warren

or 

pie 

supa

coal

drafter

would have went in those orders either way. So when chris flipped it confirmed my first theory. I was not trying to avoid the night kill. Went in on supa cus of the negan redirector thing. 

Which connor literally intended for negan to be when i asked him and forgot to take it out of the pm 

I just have to stop giving hard reads dp1 and wait so I can stop dying because i call everyone out 

Maybe I'm simple. You say perverted and I think titties 

And unless I'm insane grinch steals gifts. If he said give I misread it. 

If I die. Watch this Chris wagon. 

I am shocked if he flips scum from that. 

If he's town. 2 scum are on that wagon 

Everytime I've looked back you agreed with me that negan was a great miller claim

You didn't mention the redirector part of his paraphrase at all. Bro literally has "he redirects people" word for word I'm his paraphrase 

I'm not derailing a lynch. I want to lynch someone that's not town 

You seemed to be zoned in on a theme that no one else saw. Literally everyone else saw good vs bad. You were the line person who kept trying to sell it as a 

"Pervert" theme - as magneto btw

Then go off on a theme split about movies and films. I really think you were trying to muddy the dp

It's more than that. You initially have a lot of pressure on millers early on. And you didn't have him on your poe list. I was baiting you into your knowledge of negan and every time I brought it up you said. 

Yeah makes perfect sense as miller 

Or looks really good for supa 

You didn't even entertain it 

I can't say what the solve is but there is a very easy way to get close to a solve if town thinks hard enough about their roles and how to use them. 

I really want pie and I'm also down for supa 

But pie trying to rush the lynch in Chris makes me want him more. Not even a thought about role madness or lunatic always putting roles that are considered "town " roles or "scum" roles as ways to fuck with us. He's did it on every live mafia game for weeks. 

We've had popular scum 

He's let scum fake claim doc and cop (no fc here though)

Town sided role blocker 

Town sided role cop 

Mafia stalker 

I do not put weird role confirmations past him and I think it would at least cross your mind. 

I thought of that but grinch woudnt fit "mime"

To much detail. 

If anything it's likely role stealer. But if that's the case and Chris stumps someone he's already killed himself. 

You didn't support policy lynching him. I even questioned you in detail about that for that exact reason. I even waited the entire dp to give you a chance to do that 

Inb4 yyw pops by and yolo hammers Chris because we were out of time lol 

I still think you are scum and supa slipped with the negan paraphrase. He literally wrote misdirector in the actual paraphrase.  You were as fast as me to catch on to speed saying groups of "people"

But totally didn't even think to bring that up. I wanted to see if you would even hint at it. I think you helped him with the yolo miller claim and hoped no one would cc. 

The useful part about everyone claiming is they are now locked in and we basically have a town role cop. Even if he targets someone who hasn't claimed he can keep quiet until they claim. His role has a lot more utility than just 

"Blind target cop"

@chris what I think you should do. 

Pick someone who is claimed that you don't trust. Copy them. It will verify if they are telling the truth about their roles. It forces mafia to target between wf and you.  If there is a protect role. It will cover one of you. So we get an affirmative confirmation from someone this dp. You can even target someone you think is guilty and depending on what you get, it can function as a cop. 

All tests aside , I'm staying on pie as behaviorally I read him scum and I think he's the best target. But Chris has a very good way to use his role that can bait mafia roles

Do you actually think

A motivator and mimic can't exist ?

With the potential of drafters vig and a mimic in the game. It's quite easy for town to hurt themselves. Also I think Chris is telling the truth and there is another use of his role that I hope he thinks of