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@drafterman
I actually want to lynch pie.
It prob won't happen
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Anyone. Did wf claim bomb after cop. Wtf did I miss ?
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I misses something really big somewhere. Is wf not cop
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Poe pile for this game
From highest to lowest atm
Pie
Supa
Speed or yyw
Drafter
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Vtl pie
Now I want to lynch pie even more. I still think I could be right about supa. I think this wagon can be scummy and very likely 2 scum are on it
Vtl pie
Now I want to lynch pie even more. I still think I could be right about supa. I think this wagon can be scummy and very likely 2 scum are on it
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I thought he typically used mafia scum
But going back to the stand it's basically copy pasta from drafter
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I think Chris is town tbh. His reaction to this lynch and the reaction to what I said about the difference in mafia scum vs drafter bleeds town
Luna is pulling from drafts list prob
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The stand mafia
You are the ORACLE. Each night you may choose another player. If you die, the true character, role, and affiliation of the last person you chose will be publicly revealed.
Vs mafia scum
An Oracle is a player who can ask the moderator about general information regarding the setup.
Of course, this role has obvious potential to be overpowered if not restricted. Some common restrictions include:
Of course, this role has obvious potential to be overpowered if not restricted. Some common restrictions include:
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We have an hour. I'm going to cross reference luna's other game for how the roles work. And if he typically uses drafters list. I'm leaving Chris alive.
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Drafters version is as Chris says
I'm not sure whether luna pulls from drafter or mafia scum
Depending on where he got that role Chris is either likely town or scum slipped. I'm inclined to think town
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@drafterman
Yeah that's what I'm saying
Mafia scum, epic mafia , and mafia universe almost all have the same varient
It steals a role and converts the townie to vanilla. What Chris said is
*2 cops .
I think mimic is mostly town sided but it's the part about being 2 cops that comes off as a slip. Want to see draftees list myself before I vote.
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- Chooses one person at night.
- Visits that person (can be Driven).
- Checks alignment, then performs an action:
- If the Mimic chose a town:
- ...Visits that person and self (cannot be Driven).
- ...Steals their role and turns them into a Villager.
- If the Mimic chose a mafia:
- ...Visits self (cannot be Driven).
- ...Turns self into a Villager.
- If the Mimic chose a 3rd party role:
- ...Visits self (cannot be Driven).
- ...Turns self into an Amnesiac.
- Sided with the village.
That's mafia universe
Does anyone have drafters sheet ?
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@MisterChris
I'm not disagreeing with that. Typically the other stipulation to that role is you make the person you target vanilla
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If Connor is taking this from mafia scum. Mimics hijack roles not copy them and get 2 of them
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@Speedrace
Role Description:
The Mimic is a town-aligned role that once per game may target another player at night and learn their alignment. Depending on what alignment that player has, the Mimic will be converted into a different role. If the targeted player is town (or Godfather), the Mimic will steal their role, and the targeted person will become Vanilla Townie. If the Mimic targets a mafia-aligned player (or a Miller), the Mimic will become a Vanilla Townie. If the Mimic targets a third party or independently aligned player, the Mimic will be converted to an Amnesiac.
The Mimic is a town-aligned role that once per game may target another player at night and learn their alignment. Depending on what alignment that player has, the Mimic will be converted into a different role. If the targeted player is town (or Godfather), the Mimic will steal their role, and the targeted person will become Vanilla Townie. If the Mimic targets a mafia-aligned player (or a Miller), the Mimic will become a Vanilla Townie. If the Mimic targets a third party or independently aligned player, the Mimic will be converted to an Amnesiac.
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@drafterman
Do you a lack of a cc town confirms him ?
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Actually
Unvote
Vote supa
The thing that bothers me the most is that part of his paraphrase that mentions redirector. It would make the cop useless. They would not even have to target him after that. They would use it to fuck up results.
I have a stronger read on pie but I sincerely buy negan as redirector
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Okay so I did a lot of those pushes as reaction tests and to see who would jump on board with some of them. Also so that I actually wanted the role from so I could poe down. Used a lot of this day phase as a test and I think it served a good bit of purpose.
The first thing I want to note what lunatic has said about this game openly.
- The theme to this game will probably be totally obvious
Now we could debate about whether this means the split as well but the way he has talked about this , the actual theme itself is pretty braindead. This really leads me to believe it's bad guys vs good guys. We can confirm this when a mafia dies. So I feel like people trying to convalute or push for alternative theories are likely trying to muddy the dp
The other noteworthy thing is he has said
- No fake claims of any type
If this is the case I basically think this confirms whiteflame. Unless mafia has a role that tells them what's in the game. I'm likely not entertaining this. So going forward whiteflame is a town lock for me. This also gives credence to the miller.
The issue I have with the miller is this and I wanted to see if anybody would see it or mention it
In fact some people I don't kill but redirect them to do tasks, but I ultimately die
This part of this message really bugs me. It pings me as negan being a redirector and it makes sense. The person that knows a lot about the walking dead and could justify negan in a miller fashion is pie. What I'm actually curious about is if negan is a redirector
On to pie. I always have a hard time reading him but there are some notable things from him this game
- He had no idea what the theme was at the start. I played it off like he was overthinking but I think any town sided person would have immediately had the reaction most of us did. Good vs bad. I think him entertaining multiple splits is nearly an informed perspective slip. Either he has something in his role or partners may have something in their role that made his thoughts entertain the idea of it not being bad vs good.
- He has blindly pushed anyone I asked. Granted he would do this as town as well but he's been on almost every wagon that I intentionally pushed for. I wanted to see how far I could get him to follow
- He's not pushing the idea of tv show vs movies
I Honestly feel like this is muddying the dp. What I'm starting to entertain is mafia were willing to auto claim miller and pie was able to spin miller as that. The part about negan redirecting people to kill really bothers me
The rest of this dp is all about interaction and avoidance.
Coals response to pie was something like
- "If he wasn't magneto I would lynch him"
And to supa
- "We are going after an un counterclaimed miller "
My actual lynch poe despite all the false stuff I was trying to bait with is
- Pie
- Yyw
- Supa
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Vtl pie
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If you link me to a game where you've did this as town I'll unvote after I wake up tomorrow
There is no reason to breadcrumb in that way. I think it's a great way to breadcrumb as scum. Because no one will understand what it is. You can make a claim ho at th start and if no one else claims it then point back to it
Going to sleep but link me to any town game you have did this and ill unvote
There is no reason to breadcrumb in that way. I think it's a great way to breadcrumb as scum. Because no one will understand what it is. You can make a claim ho at th start and if no one else claims it then point back to it
Going to sleep but link me to any town game you have did this and ill unvote
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Vtl oro
I actually think the fact he posted the claim at the start of the game scummy af. Its a way to see if there is a motivator in the game and if there isn't he can point back to it and say what he just did. If there isn't a motivator he never has to mention it.
I'm okay with this kill
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I think from a town poe it's safe to assume
Me and WF - not scum together
Me and Speed - not scum together
Pie and Speed - not scum together
Pie and Oro - not scum together
YYW and Chris - not scum together
Chris and Drafter - not scum together
Drater and Oro- not scum together
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@drafterman
that's my thought process as well
just wanted to hear if someone else thought it. More along the lines of "Why Chris". Maybe because he's knew and he thinks he will get a slip. He is familiar with warren so the push on chris and not warren interests me, also him avoiding you like the plague mostly
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@drafterman
In context of his play in the game thus far
How do you feel about him as town vs scum?
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@drafterman
Ironically I think scum would be the ones that go on the wagons. I was paying attention to the one that I called speed out on.
If its 11
thats 9 tomorrow
7 the next day
Would you gambit that we are going to get the wrong lynch 2 days running? because if you are alive dp4 you get lynched. So either you are so confident that we are going the wrong direction that you are willing to claim that as scum or you are town
are you willing to target someone if we pick it in the day?
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TBH it could be drafter. Re reading this , this day phase has been hard. No enough wagons and stuff to get hard reads or who is avoiding who.
I think from a town poe it's safe to assume
Me and WF - not scum together
Me and Speed - not scum together
Pie and Speed - not scum together
Pie and Oro - not scum together
YYW and Chris - not scum together
Chris and Drafter - no scum together
If I were picking it would probably be between drafter, Chris, and warren because I feel like scum would just let town rip each other apart.
My town pile currently is
WF
Supa
Possible scum teams. (prob 3 person )
Possibly drafter and yyw
Possibly drafter and Chris
Possibly yyw and warren.
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Also after re reading another interaction. I don't think Chris and Drafter could be scum
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Or even warren for that matter. Who I think people would be looking at more than Chris
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I always have a weird vibe with yyw
So I think Chris's flip helps give us a poe with him as well. I'm surprised he really hasn't pressured drafter for backseating but goes after chris who is a much easier target.
To me drafter sticks out more than Chris
He's usually more vocal about what he thinks and he's just been very agreeable with what people are assuming about the theme and not engaging as much as he normally does.
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TBH it could be drafter. Re reading this , this day phase has been hard. No enough wagons and stuff to get hard reads or who is avoiding who.
I think from a town poe it's safe to assume
Me and WF - not scum together
Me and Speed - not scum together
Pie and Speed - not scum together
Pie and Oro - not scum together
YYW and Chris - not scum together
If I were picking it would probably be between drafter, Chris, and warren because I feel like scum would just let town rip each other apart.
My town pile currently is
WF
Supa
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@coal
Doing bdo atm will fully catch up at work tomorrow and will look at it in detail. Also raid ina hour
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@coal
Also pie sheep's me a lot as both town and scum in forum.
We have a bromance
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@coal
Let me read back on Chris and I may join you. I'm teetering with speed but the way he finally laid out the full justification would make sense with a character that is vanilla. There is a mild justification for why he's bad and it spins the people around him as bad.
That lines up with the outline of how I expect luna has set this up
That lines up with the outline of how I expect luna has set this up
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@drafterman
This is the basically it word for word
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I mean maybe Connor is bastard modding and didn't "give" them fake claims but they have a role where it tells them what's in the game.
But if that's the case I'd just chalk this game up to bastard mod
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@ILikePie5
The issue I have with speed specifically was because of the lack of a justification. But one could be there and he just not see it.
Hyenas all these other animals on their high horse tried to exile you but you just wanted food because you were starving. You coudnt kill a meerkat and the pig thing. You are town
It kinda follows the framework so far.
The issue with whiteflame is a un counterclaimed cop. Unless there is a mafia stipulation / role that tells them what's in the game. I'm not sure how else to explain the lack of a cc
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@Speedrace
I somewhat buy this in this format. It still gives you a justification
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Going to sit back and let speed say his entire justification in detail and re read. The one thing mafia have going for them is when town is active and in the wrong direction they can slide by and it greatly benefits them.
Going to take this time to reflect and read back and let speed actually paraphrase his justification in detail
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@Vader
If you don't press claims you no lynch. That's nonsense
Town has to lynch as many times as they can. It's their weapon. Unless numbers allow otherwise. But you want to maximize how many lims you get. So if you have to lynch, you are inevitably going to have to claim. Because the person on the block will have to out. It's just standard mafia
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