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@Outplayz
Dammit. It's just my mind man... i can't turn it off. Lol.
Now you're preachin to the choir mon! where's the off button on the think tank? seriously though, I analyze everything....it's like auto pilot or somethin.
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@Outplayz
Although when i was his age, it seems he's at least younger than middle school, i was really shy. Horrid Henry started manifesting in middle school... well, 5th grade to middle school.
Haha, should have known you would break it down and analyze it :)
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@Outplayz
Don't ask me why you remind me of a cartoon my kidz watch lol....
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@Melcharaz
Also it is evidence as it is backed by scripture.
Not everything in scripture is accurate.
I wouldn't say animals were abused, simply sacrificed to roll back the sin for a year.
Lol, okay animal murder is not abuse when described by the Bible. How many animals do you sacrifice daily for your mistakes?
God is not controlled by wrath, but justice demands that something pay for sin.
This law is called Karma, or what Christians refer to as sowing and reaping. In this light, no animals are needed to punish, we simply reap what we sow through experience.
Since God has mercy on his own creation, he was willing to kill sinless animals until the time of Christ where death and hell's ownership would be transferred to Jesus Christ.
Or, the teaching of sacrificing animals is stupid, or better put not needed. Jesus came to uplift the consciousness of mankind, and because of ignorance and misconceptions Jesus was murdered. This is natural in a carnal environment.
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We are obligated to follow logic not absurdities. Like any field of learning or growing, there are logical propositions and there are absurdities. Spirituality/Theism is no different, you have logical observations and you have what are absurdities. How to distinguish between the two? lol, one is logical the other absurd. Simple as that, Theism/spirituality has some very logical, commonsense aspects whereas there are also some absurd propositions that need not be accepted. In other words, one is not dictated to accept absurdities choosing Theism, rather they are dictated to accept what is logical and rational even in spirituality. Believe it or not...Theism is based on logic and commonsense if no one has told you...because it too, is an objective reality. But remember, the dynamics of Theism are not always absurd even though out of the realm of the common experience, they may be different than what we experience in the physical world but they still hinge on what is rational.
If you would like to discuss or distinguish between absurdity and logical commonsense in Theism feel free to bring it up here.
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@Melcharaz
God knows that fred would make such a choice
But the question is when did God know Fred would make such a choice? preordained or as it unfolded?
and he uses even the disobedient for a reason!
Who are the "disobedient" if Calvinism is true though? disobedience plays no role in predestination. That should be very obvious....
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@Melcharaz
Well I don't know who you want to discuss this with but "he already knows if you are going to heaven/hell and there is nothing you can do about it" coming from the Creators point of view is pretty insane because it presupposes we are puppets and not created conscious beings that choose our own destinies. Perhaps you would like to reconsider what I wrote...? because you didn't address any of it...
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@secularmerlin
I agree with the first half of this statement but as to the second my perceptions are the only thing I have to judge reality by. I cannot use someone else's.
But you must, if you are to accept truth beyond your current perceptions. That is how we learn. Someone might have something you cannot yet perceive, that is a given in this world.
I must, if I am being honest, admit that they could be entirely misleading but in that case I still will be unable to ascertain truth. Something you don't seem to understand since you can admit that perceptions may not be trustworthy but then cite the perceptions of others as evidence of your claims.
Because some perceptions are beyond others. It would be foolish to limit experience to my perceptions alone. At some point, you must be willing to trust something new to experience something new. Awareness is everything...
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@secularmerlin
Rejecting a claim and denying it are two separate things.
What do you mean here exactly? if you reject or deny something, how do you make room for what is truth?
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@secularmerlin
Truth may come in many forms, but you have to be willing to embrace it no matter the personal perceptions. Perceptions don't make truth, they are distorted by nature. Truth exists apart from perceptions, if you are not willing to part with those perceptions, then truth will always evade you no matter the proposition.
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@secularmerlin
Trust no claim
Trust no one
Recognize logical fallacy
Deny everything
Admit epistemological limits
Admit nothing
Understand the difference between the rejection of a claim and rejection of the person making the claim.
Accuse everyone
If you find this I swear to change my avatar.
Understand the difference between falsity and truth by not trusting your denial of everything but by stepping outside your paradigms to experience truth in something other than what you will deny for the sake of denying. If you won't do that, then I guess you will always be in a state of not knowing.
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@disgusted
What do you actually get out of this charade you play years on end? you're going to die this way aren't you? sad indeed...
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@secularmerlin
I am curious what you would choose.
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@Melcharaz
One main problem about believing in a God (Especially in an omnipotent, omniscience and invisible one) is that there are forms of observation that we don't have access to that they might, or that we cannot know things that these beings might know. So what do we do with information we are given that we don't understand? Logic won't work until we learn and observe what we don't know, emotions are often wrong. What can show the nature of Gods as they proclaim themselves? Most likely those who are representatives of the said God should have understanding of the God's nature.
God's nature is simplistic, it's the implications of the nature of God are what become so incredibly dynamic. I agree with everything accept "logic won't work", I think that logic goes a long way in Theism and why wouldn't it? Emotions are not the same as logic, logic can be used without emotions without any doubt. I like your last sentence the most though...because it's actually the nature of God that is the biggest missing link between atheism and spirituality/Theism. I've been trying to get atheists to look at the nature of God for so long, it doesn't seem to have any impact though. It's kind of like they want to ignore that little bit of information. It's the very nature of God that makes the distinction between a material, carnal experience and a spiritual, Divine one.
Id say spiritual knowledge, which comes from (Spirits, Ie, God/Gods) manifesting themselves so we can detect and understand them
True, but we have that same nature potentially. If we are spiritual, we too can be the same conduit of knowledge obviously, that's how a conduit works.
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@Melcharaz
When something doesn't sound right or comes across as a really bad idea it's usually because it is. Calvinism along with Catholicism are probably the worlds most ridiculous belief systems. Not that Catholicism is in the same theoretical position, but both belief systems are corrupted and irrational. As well not everything in the Bible is true or accurate (surprise, surprise), but as far as "predestination" goes we don't really see that until the Epistles, the God of the OT seemed quite irritated with mans actions (Noah's Arc obviously) and if that is the case predestination is not fully Biblical and not fully supported only by a few passages being interpreted. Predestination could also mean "what God wants" instead of "what God gets"....big difference there. The theme we observe throughout the entire Bible is that God does not always get what God wants, and this becomes the process for the individual soul.
The trick is that God can create a sequence of events in our world without preordaining mans actions so I'm going with this "he simply sees the future and reacts based on how he sees things". It's much like having a pet or creating an environment for a pet, you basically create the pets world and you are that pets Master without controlling or preordaining what it chooses. So basically you have a predestined setting without preordained choices.
Now if you want some legit reasoning here the secret lies within the fact that man has a creative nature, the dynamics involved in placing free, creative creatures in a dualistic environment to make choices based on the perceptions of experiences is far too vast and complicated for any predictive element even for the Creator, the potential outcomes are simply too complex. However like you mentioned it's not hard for God to predict something (at some point AFTER creation is set in motion) especially being omnipresent and knowing/experiencing all things in the present moment or having much greater insights and knowledge in any given moment in time.
This is also the investment the Creator has in all of this though, that God does not know every action and outcome before it takes place as this would get pretty monotonous even for the Creator. Rather every experience is as fresh as the creative imagination is, and of course if this is true then it is also true that we are accountable for everything we do unlike if Calvinism were true....actions, thoughts and desires would be mechanical rather than free and to preordain is to take away accountability leaving the process of spirituality to no effect. So which one is it? the answer becomes obvious that what I'm writing above is probably the more accurate, rational belief.
Now moving away from just the Bible and the Jewish God, we are here to have experiences and those experiences are based on our own choices and desires/wants, as well can be based on what we need to learn in a lifetime here. The settings and environment of our experiences are established before we arrive on this planet but our reactions and choices to that environment are not. This is the learning curve of our experiences, we are not preordained robots we are literally learning from our circumstances in the moment whether God knows the outcome or not. Since God has access to every channel of awareness God gets the same fresh experience we do, this is what makes creation interesting for a Creator as well as the individualized soul.
And, if there is no real distinction between the nature of God and the soul itself (other than states of awareness) it also becomes obvious why all this exists. Because God, just like us wants a new and fresh experience away from the alone state. And God does accomplish this through each created being.
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@Stronn
A mindless process suffices to explain DNA, therefore Occam's Razor
No not really, if you are making the assumption/claim that there was not a mind involved that's an interpretation of that process. To posit there was not one involved you now have made an assumption and now have to make more assumptions to answer questions. You are assuming that a process can generate itself without a mind involved, plans processes and minds go together though. If you believe there was not one involved that is an assumption of itself and it's simply not enough to claim "it's a mindless process", "the process is just there"....the claim in and of itself is absurd, contradicts our own observations and demands answers. If you're comfortable assuming DNA to be a mindless process that's just fine, but don't go claiming Occam's Razor supports your worldview and beliefs when it doesn't.
To me it's more logical and a more simplistic interpretation that a higher conscious mind is involved in what we observe and experience so Occam's Razor seems to fit just fine with a Creator proposition. If we are going with the assumption we don't know either way what makes your version more likely than the other according to Occam's R? it takes more assumptions to make up a scenario how DNA developed without intelligence seeing that many aspects of creation act as just that...intelligent. Not that you will accept what I'm saying of course, but I think it's important to add that a mindless scenario should not be assumed more likely because of Occam's Razor by any means. With creation/spirituality we are not adding things that don't need to be there, we are answering the questions why things are the way they are and a higher conscious mind has been proposed long before we knew much about creative or "natural" processes. It just so happens that which ever way we look Occam's Razor follows Theism because of its simplicity, and ironically the atheist/materialist has labeled this the "God of the gaps argument" lol. There never was a god of the gaps argument, rather Theism just works to answer the hard questions because it makes far less assumptions.
Occam's Razor dictates that we do not need to postulate a higher mind.
You're looking at a process making the assumption that the process generated itself. Unless you know that for sure, Occam's Razor fits in just fine with creationism and a higher conscious mind. A higher conscious mind generates processes and the processes we see in creation which of course include energy act as intelligence. That is what we see, the intelligent processes of creating a universe, galaxies, planets and then forms/embodiments ect ect and this naturally supposes a higher conscious reality/intelligence. There's really no "assumptions" being made about this proposition of a higher mind to explain why DNA, evolution and any processes of our world act intelligent so no "fill in the gaps" baloney needed, the proposition was already there and it already explains itself in every scenario which includes why DNA exists or how it exists. If the logic and rationale follow all the way through there's no need to make assumptions it simply just makes sense, Occam's Razor dictates that we stay true to that from every angle and it works all the down the line.
If conscious activity has always existed then energy has always existed....if energy cannot be created or destroyed then consciousness cannot be created or destroyed and if creation acts as intelligent processes then there's a higher conscious mind dictating that process....consciousness comes from consciousness, life from life and intelligence comes from intelligence. Even though that is my proposition, I need the fewest assumptions to make that proposition if any at all. I don't need to assume why my proposition is true, the proposition itself answers all the assumptions.
It's not a matter of what I want. It's a matter of evidence. There is no evidence that a higher mind is behind DNA.
Evidence is that which indicates a proposition true or valid. In this light, there's more evidence than there is not.
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@Outplayz
There's a science to the soul and to the nature of consciousness! it can be articulated and experienced and "spirituality" (observation of a transcendent reality) is the method by which we learn, observe and propose this reality. The whole of spirituality and spiritual experience is a vast, available body of facts and information indicating whether this belief/reality or proposition is true or valid.
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@Outplayz
Spirituality falls under pseudoscience...
That's what they label things they have yet to acknowledge or understand lol, it's like a way to throw information they refuse to consider out the window or a way to cover their ears. Spirituality being dynamic, is also yet simplistic, the mechanics of it are simple when broken down however the implications are incredibly dynamic.
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@Outplayz
I really wanted to answer that, but i thought i'd sit back and let you have a go at it first.
One of the first things I realized when entering the debate world is that atheists, some agnostics and even many believers haven't realized that spirituality is an objective reality not just a subjective one. Meaning that there are in fact higher conscious realities that exist independent of personal opinions and feelings and so there is an objective nature involved. The way we "prove" or support something is through our own observations along with others (cross examination), and when we examine spirituality and religions as a whole, along with spiritual experiences and NDE's the evidence is overwhelming....one would have to be pretty stubborn not to look at the numbers and consider the knowledge involved in a transcendent reality.
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@secularmerlin
Yes.
Erasing religions from the scene totally give me an example. Given that you understood the conditions I proposed...
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@Outplayz
Anyways, thought you'd find that interesting and maybe i can trigger some atheists to join.
I found it very interesting.
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@secularmerlin
Assuming that some god(s) exist how do we make any determinations about god(s) without a method for falsifying claims?
Is making determinations about god or a Creator difficult for you? if you knew that you were an expression of this Source, and you knew that the very being, nature and core of both you and that Source were identical how hard would it be to determine something about It? you and God are both conscious beings expressing themselves through creation, and that conscious reality is eternal.
Methods for falsifying claims in the spiritual arena are the same for any other way you determine something....does it makes sense, is it logical, is there evidence (in this case testimonial)..... use common sense, backing sources, cross referencing, intuition/instinct, application and observation ect ect.
The only important distinction to be made of course (what should be obvious) is the nature of Theism and spirituality vs the nature of the material world and carnality, you are dealing with a reality that transcends the physical sense perception but other than that the methods of falsifying are basically the same once you realize there's a difference between observing a physical phenomenon vs a spiritual or transcendent one. Take away the physical object factor and we still have common sense, logic, evidence (testimonial), experience, backing sources, cross referencing, intuition, instinct, application and observation ect ect...
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So around these parts mostly the discussions revolve around whether or not God exists, the "Bible is immoral" and or which religion is correct blah blah blah ect ect....how about we do something a little different and discuss/debate assuming a Creator and the soul exists and that religion for this topic is irrelevant, since it seems no progress can be made on whether or not God does exist or why there are so many religions (even though I've offered decent propositions) how about we have a topic that assumes Theism true (specific gods irrelevant)....any questions or propositions are welcome. Agnostics, it would be good to discuss this with you more than the atheist preachers of this site we need more middle ground curiosity.
Isn't there any non-believer or agnostic curious about a Creator "if" It exists? and what that means to us/you? it's obvious that some people find Theism to be absurd or stupid but is it not a fascinating inquiry to anyone? if it is fascinating to you ask whatever you want, or bring up whatever issues you have about Theism or spirituality and not just the Bible.
Theists, Atheists and Agnostics doesn't matter really, let's discuss deeper issues no matter what belief you may have. Theists this is for you too, questions are for everyone even if you have religious beliefs! the Theistic community would do a lot better if they collaborated more rather than argue.
The more you understand creation and Theism the more it may seem more realistic to you or something you could consider, and it's not always the Theists that know about God or spirituality believe it or not. You/we all come from the same Source no matter the belief so you may have intuitions and ideas about God that are correct, you are not an outsider or someone that knows nothing, feel free to bring some unique thoughts forward, or unique questions...I want to hear more from non-believers and their ideas/questions about God or the afterlife. If you have ideas or intuitions about any of this feel free to share and elaborate on it.
I'm not responding to any posts that are uninteresting or insulting.
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@Outplayz
Actually, we have a lot different in what we would consider paradise. If you looked at my life, and don't want to tell too much here, you would start to understand why i find what i do as paradise... which basically, put your finger on a fantasy movie you've seen and i'm probably there. For instance you've heard my obsession with vampires, but there's more than just that like a lot of worlds i've learned from Anime i've watched, Harry Potter type realities, LOTR type realities, Marvel, DC, etc. Lol. But there is a theme that is similar in all of these that i personally see manifested in my world. A theme all these types of people would have to go through. I don't like talking about what this theme is... but i see it in my life.
Once you understand how consciousness truly operates in creation there isn't anything you could imagine that couldn't exist. The funny part is that many things people think is absurd or stupid exists in the higher worlds...other universes and planets, even fantasy movies are unknowingly expressing what already exists. Within our own physical universe alone we have virtually endless places to experience and or exist. However, obviously the human form is limited to this planet and of course it would be, the embodiments that evolved here were purposefully formed to withstand a certain environment and likewise, when you travel far to other parts of the universe where suns sit closer to the planet, or there are a completely different arrangement of solar systems the bodies there would have evolved to suit their climates. So beware of what you think exists, lol there could very well be some strange looking entities.
The Source is not limited to the knowledge of just earth or how we perceive things, it can literally form what It wants wherever It wants and time is never a factor. Now bring this knowledge out from the physical universe, creation becomes more fluid and more dynamic and when the soul accidentally leaves the physical body it usually 100% of the time never wants to come back to the material body.
The subtle bodies are much lighter, the soul is no longer restricted by a human brain, they are no longer restricted to just the physical perception and it's not even comparable. All the studies I've seen the soul had to be convinced to return and finished what they loved or desired to fulfill. This wouldn't apply to negative experiences though obviously, there are some gruesome places in the created worlds so one has to watch what they mess with, as much beauty and as much love as you could ever comprehend the opposite exists in duality and has to. Creation is built on opposing forces and poles of opposites and so the soul is free to explore either side unfortunately, this naturally makes for war and conflict and the physical world is a wild place and at some point or maybe already you will be free to do whatever you want. Just keep in mind, that your desires tie your experiences to certain places and so you have to accept all that it comes with.
Once you get tired of playing games things won't interest you as much, you'll just be consumed with knowing where you come from and what this is all about and you might begin to feel weary about life. But as long as you have passion and fire your attention will follow that, that's kinda the point really.
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@Outplayz
One last thing is, i'm not sure if darkness or evil really exists. I think it only exists in this reality bc we are afraid to die. But if we become infinite, was there ever really evil? I don't know. So this kinda goes into my next point which i'll make below...
Well as we discussed we have different states of consciousness involved here. At one state, the highest state is non-dual and everything is One Source so there is no such thing as good or evil because right and wrong only come into play through relations, through separation, duality, contrast and opposing views. So while duality in creation can be argued to be an illusion it still exists. There's still you and I and we can hurt each other or love one another. While in form, while inhabiting embodiments, while individualized beings exist and as we are in creation we have to contend with the reality that we can do these things.
What gives the soul individualization is that even though it comes out of the One Source it is still developing a certain personality through it's own perceptions and experiences and embodiments. This is actually quite fascinating that God can be in one state and be experiencing also through a distorted, limited state it is friggin awesome. The individual soul has developed to where it is right now from much like a seed or baby-like product. This happened the moment the soul wanted to leave the Godhead as an individual expression. That seed was covered in layers and sent into creation to emerge as its own person. And as we said earlier now we have an experience in one state while there is still another fully awake state.
i'm not sure some people can transcend... i think they are who they are infinitely. Especially the people, if you've met any you'd know, that just have no minds... their like robots doing what they do and very malleable.. they just seem like necessary characters to make this reality whole.
Lol, well yes and no. If you know this is a low level part of creation or the mutli-worlds and souls are created or manifested as seeds rather than fully developed entities you will see people at varying levels of awareness, like you said "mindless". They do have a mind it's just their awareness is much more restricted, they are not observing from the same state you observe from. So it does make for an interesting creation, to have followers and leaders and everything in between. So because of the very nature of our experience and what we see in our universe I think every soul probably progresses, and remember this process can be as slow as slow can be because this is an eternal reality. Time is of no concern in terms of souls progressing. I think when you encounter really unaware people they are probably the newer souls and the real rowdy ones that like to stir up trouble lol, yeah those are probably newbies. Not always though, some trouble makers are trouble makers because they are really creative and crafty those are the ones you gotta watch, but this type can mature through experience quicker so a lot times rebels turn out to be the heroes in the end. I was a wild child in my teens, now my personality and the things I do have changed dramatically and the things I'm interested in.
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@Outplayz
Plus, i should add, western monks / gurus / mystics, it has been said that through so many years of mediating, they have actually left there bodies and just died in mediation. I find that also interesting and wish it could somehow be tested. But it's hard to know 1) when it will happen and 2) if they are just dying naturally. But i suspect there is a little more to it. I think the best thing we can test is past live memories at this point.
Anytime you have a question just ask me, as of yet I've never encountered a question or problem I haven't circulated in my mind and used the evidence available to piece the truth together. Not saying I know everything but I'll comment on what I'm pretty sure about because I've been at the spiritual playground a while now and I've looked into many sources of information. You would be surprised at the knowledge that is out there, soul travel I think you would find very compelling and if you find the right sources there are some people that could enlighten you to things. Soul travel is similar to what we would refer to as astral travel only your travels are not just limited to the astral plane. Basically it's projecting your consciousness through different parts of creation even planets you want to explore, and since your consciousness by nature is not limited to this form you can learn to project it elsewhere even before death.....The astral plane of course is very beautiful, what most souls who leave the body especially before their actual time was up think is heaven, and to some degree it is but each plane of existence has many galaxies and planets just like this one so in the astral world there are still really horrific places. But as you get closer to leaving the realms of duality totally so the beauty magnifies, is less dual in nature so there is less swing of duality ya know, "good vs evil" kind of stuff.
Anyways to elaborate of the meditation thing, this goes back to what I was saying about the subtle layers that cover the soul. It's really not that hard to imagine, it is basically the same thing as when a person dies and then they are present in the afterlife or a spirit body. Only that's not final, the soul has several layers before you get to the very core which is where the Source is. And as I wrote the soul has to have this, because it has to be stepped down from such a powerhouse of a reality. The energy alone It produces and builds is unimaginable, it would annihilate any lower form or human brain/body. It's almost like getting closer to the sun, each subtle body withstands a little more scorching until the soul is raw and exposed. Then like the sun, it will consume you and "burn" you into an ocean of pure conscious awareness.
But yes, there is what is known as the silver cord, or life cord. It's a literal linkage from the soul all the way through all the layers including the physical body. So what happens, is when you learn to soul travel through meditation that cord can be snapped if you never wanted to return to the physical body. It's usually not permitted or encouraged to do that because a person has to fulfill what it is they came to learn unless this is a serious guru or something that has been practicing for decades, but when you get to the level of soul travel no longer does a person have to be subjected to physical death, they can leave the body at will. There's probably a handful of that type of being on this planet and one thing is for sure that they are here to uplift the consciousness of mankind and they have come purposefully not randomly.
It is of my opinion that a person can leave the physical body before actual death, but it would be rare and they would have to know what they were doing. When you get to this level of knowledge you're on missions not just play. Ill be coming on here on and off so I'll get to more of this. I'll give ya one thing you do have a more dynamic way of thinking. I rarely get to talk about things beyond "which religion is correct" "the Bible is immoral" ect ect lol so it's always fun to talk with you.
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@Outplayz
When you have a conscious reality that is capable of creating anything It wants through varying states of conscious activity you can have endless experiences. You have endless galaxies in one world (our universe alone), now imagine endless galaxies within multi verses.
I really hope your confidence in this, and my suspicion of it's potential for truth is right man. The implications of this would be the most beautiful end to this world.
I'm more confident about this than many other things :)
I just realized I've never asked you this, which is wild since this is the coolest part... what would you do next?
Lol, I have a lot in mind. I'm very creative and so I would like to explore more creative options that way, sometimes I feel limited here and so the fun is losing my interest. I would like to use my creative abilities either two ways, helping souls wake up and or creating realities for other souls to experience.
I think I'm ready to move on from here as beautiful as it is lol, nah I really do have people I love here there's a lot of beauty but because of the swing of duality it can be brutal as well. The heaviness and restrictions of the physical body become mundane at time.
If we're looking at the subtle layers or planes of existence some interest me more than others but I'm not sure if I have a solid plan or desire yet, heck I could just decide I want to have an experience with my wife and kids again who knows, my wife is like my soul mate it might be fun to have another crazy journey together.... I'd like to check out the Akashic records at some point though and revisit some memories and experiences, there's many places I would probably want to see I'm sure.
You should read the Tiger's Fang by Paul Twitchell it's interesting.
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@Outplayz
You become who you will continue to be by who you make yourself in each life. If you are a crock and continue that life, when you individualize, you will continue to be a crock in the next life. It's only when you snap out of your ways and see there are more ways.
Yes, the soul can play mindlessly for as long as it wants though too and that is part of the reason for these experiences. At some point, it will eventually seek deeper things and this is where they begin to snap out of their more carnal ways or desires. At some point the soul is going to want to know where it came from and why it is here.
This is where I believe reincarnation and Karma come into play. Just means there's an accountability to our actions in creation. In the Source state that no longer matters or is applicable, it's a singular reality there's no duality. But once we enter creation and duality we become a victim of our own actions but the soul wants to learn about itself and improve, why improve? because it's conscious and intelligent and so it always seeks to become more aware....stronger, wiser ect ect and so naturally it desires to improve in whatever direction for that being even if it takes eons. The soul is also naturally creative and without it knowing, it wants real freedom and this is what drives the individual deeper back home eventually. The closer home the soul gets, the more free and less inhibited it is, the more creative it's allowed to become.
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@Outplayz
You know in agree with your vision, there are just some nuances i see differently. I think everyone will become this ultimate infinite consciousness. I don't think there is any right of passage. I believe when everyone becomes this source, they will be scared. I can say trust me i've experienced it, but really who knows if you're different and would like it. I suspect many will fear being this source however, bc knowing everything, being everything and everyone, know all beginnings and ends, knowing all stories happening, all at once... well, as a finite human it's hard to imagine, but i dipped my foot in it and it scared the crap out of me... i remember, all i wanted was to be human and forgetful again... i was begging for it.
Yeah we've discussed this. You know I believe everything comes from an ultimate infinite consciousness and yes a soul can become that at some point because that is the souls origin but it's not for the faint of heart lol, that is something one has to cultivate a comfort level with, which is why it's good for an individual to get alone and get confident that way at times.
In order for a soul to exist independently or have an independent experience it has to be confined to form or embodiment, otherwise it's omnipresent again in the full state of the One. So the One Source isolates it's consciousness to create a sperate experience. In order for us to have this human experience our conscious soul has to be stepped way, way down, to reduce it's awareness to an independent agent. This is genius of course, and because forms are simply isolated frequencies of energy a conscious experience can happen at any level and in the full conscious state of "God" everything is experienced simultaneously, so at all times there is the observation of the One state and the experience we have as individual forms. As matter of fact awareness doesn't even need a human body, a nervous system or even a brain...so even plants are obviously conscious or have awareness whatever you want to label it. There is awareness/intelligence all the way down to the atom and far beyond that and eventually is omnipresent. "Scientists" don't yet know or acknowledge energy exists because consciousness exists, energy is present with conscious activity and the key to recognize this is how energy behaves and acts in creation. It's pretty simple actually, only at this point people still label it pseudoscience lol, that just means no one has any thing to argue anymore.
But I agree, most people are terrified of death or being alone I get it, that is why we have things like "paradise", worlds, universes ect ect all to have an experience away from the alone state. The soul, which includes all of us as individuals are on a very long journey but I agree, since we originated from this source we will also experience again. This is where spirituality plays it role, it's a progression of the soul where it eventually learns about its true nature. An average low conscious person couldn't handle such a revelation they have to awaken in stages. You kind of see this when you look across at the world of religions.....different levels, higher and lower awareness such and such.
The interesting thing to me though is that the soul has more than a physical body and a soul. The soul (infinite consciousness) has several layers to confine it which culminate in the physical outer layer we have as a human body. When the soul leaves the body the very next layer is the astral body and this astral body correlates with the astral world which is what most NDE's observe. The cool thing is even though the astral body lives way longer than the physical body it's still not the soul or the one source. The astral body too can experience death and so the soul leaves the astral body to the causal body which correlates with that world. There are five of these layers that still exist within the worlds of duality and each plane of existence is less restricted than the one that preceded it, these layers are called the physical (senses), astral (emotion), causal (memory), mental (mind) and etheric (intuition). The fun doesn't end there though the Source is very crafty! once the soul leaves the five worlds of duality it now has made it to the pure conscious realms and there are many states of observation here as well. I'll leave it at that, there's too much to discuss on this topic. To make a long story short the soul has many things to experience.
The right of passage thing I was referring to is an individual has to become responsible and more aware of how they impact their surroundings and how they deal with other beings, because a soul out of control can do a lot of damage and that is why it must mature to be in the higher worlds. Like you said..."they will be scared when they become the Source", that's because they have to be cultivated to get back to that state of consciousness and why the soul must be stepped several levels down to negate such an enormous state of awareness from the Source. Having said that the soul can have an experience through any one of those layers or planes of experience. The soul is not in pieces, the soul is a core and has many "masks" or embodiments/layers it observes through. So as the physical body sheds the soul still continues to exist and so on.
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@Stephen
Meanwhile this thread is about what happened once the Christian faithful reach "paradise"
Well I think the most simple answer to that question is they continue to experience life, just in another place. Since the soul is eternal it's good that there are places to exist and many of them, Heaven is only one planet, there are many. People may not realize that a soul can still impact their environment as well, have a life and share their dreams.....they have things to do besides playing a harp. Although I'm inclined to believe music is also still much a part of what some do, but it's posited that the afterlife is also very busy especially when you examine NDE's and religious knowledge of the afterlives. So if you reach a paradise you still live your own life, still have your passions and interests and people you love and admire so it's not like a dead end by any means. And again, it's important to remember that nowhere does it say a soul is forced to stay in one place forever so there are many choices.
The descriptions of heaven in the Bible (few as they are) are actually common to many NDE testimonials, a lot of people see beautiful angels, magnificent landscapes, scenery, colors and light. Almost all NDE testimonials always say they really never wanted to leave or come back here, they were fascinated and captivated by the experience and are overwhelmed with joy. Souls can also have bad experiences depending on how they lived their life.....But yeah, souls simply continue their lives in whatever way that they do.
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@Outplayz
See, now that sounds more like a paradise to me. But, it's surely not found in the Bible... and i think you're right that he needs to think more on an Omnist type platform to get an idea of what paradise can be or it's potential to be. But, if you dig deep, which i know you've realized, paradise is very subjective to the observer. It's not just one thing... which by what it is, "paradise," that is the only logical conclusion since everyone has their own vision of what paradise would be.
Agree, paradise is a subjective term in many ways although a very creative Being can create a paradise almost any human would find fascinating objectively, so many variables exist and so do the dynamics of spirituality which is what so many people are blind to, and when you add into the equation that our universe alone has unlimited galaxies one could only imagine what actually exists for the soul, which is eternal. Add into the equation of an eternal creative consciousness you get more than you could ever imagine. The fun part, is that when a soul gains the right of passage, they too can create worlds and realities. This is the very creative energy of God, that every soul gets to become a creative dreamer.
I really have no arguments if a god created this reality. I like how you think there are creator gods. To me, it sounds almost like there are artists here that create realities for us to get lost in, like movies. I also look at this world like a movie. It's a C rate movie, there are things i love and things i hate. It's kinda like Donnie Darko. I don't know if you seen that movie, so i'll try not to spoil too much. Most of the movie i'm bored, but the ending... leaves me weeping. It's the most beautiful ending i have seen in a movie so far which puts this C rate movie in my top ten. I look at this life the same. I would create myself / manifest here a million times over for those moments i love... however, i also don't think i would play this reality often which would make sense of why i feel out of place and like an old soul. I don't know... the many realities and infinite mind (gods) hypothesis is very interesting in its implications.
That's exactly what it is, creation is formed through artists. Very cool, I would have never phrased it that way but that is exactly what's going on. This is the fun part of creation which many souls don't know about. When you have a conscious reality that is capable of creating anything It wants through varying states of conscious activity you can have endless experiences. You have endless galaxies in one world (our universe alone), now imagine endless galaxies within multi verses. People, even religious have no idea about these implications, it's fascinating to the creative mind and those who are interested in such.
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@Outplayz
See, now that sounds more like a paradise to me. But, it's surely not found in the Bible... and i think you're right that he needs to think more on an Omnist type platform to get an idea of what paradise can be or it's potential to be. But, if you dig deep, which i know you've realized, paradise is very subjective to the observer. It's not just one thing... which by what it is, "paradise," that is the only logical conclusion since everyone has their own vision of what paradise would be.
Agree, paradise is a subjective term in many ways although a very creative Being can create a paradise almost any human would find fascinating objectively, so many variables exist and so do the dynamics of spirituality which is what so many people are blind to, and when you add into the equation that our universe alone has unlimited galaxies one could only imagine what actually exists for the soul, which is eternal. Add into the equation of an eternal creative consciousness you get more than you could ever imagine. The fun part, is that when a soul gains the right of passage, they too can create worlds and realities. This is the very creative energy of God, that every soul gets to become a creative dreamer.
I really have no arguments if a god created this reality. I like how you think there are creator gods. To me, it sounds almost like there are artists here that create realities for us to get lost in, like movies. I also look at this world like a movie. It's a C rate movie, there are things i love and things i hate. It's kinda like Donnie Darko. I don't know if you seen that movie, so i'll try not to spoil too much. Most of the movie i'm bored, but the ending... leaves me weeping. It's the most beautiful ending i have seen in a movie so far which puts this C rate movie in my top ten. I look at this life the same. I would create myself / manifest here a million times over for those moments i love... however, i also don't think i would play this reality often which would make sense of why i feel out of place and like an old soul. I don't know... the many realities and infinite mind (gods) hypothesis is very interesting in its implications.
That's exactly what it is, creation is formed through artists. Very cool, I would have never phrased it that way but that is exactly what's going on. This is the fun part of creation which many souls don't know about. When you have a conscious reality that is capable of creating anything It wants through varying states of conscious activity you can have endless experiences. You have endless galaxies in one world (our universe alone), now imagine endless galaxies within multi verses. People, even religious have no idea about these implications, it's fascinating to the creative mind and those who are interested in such.
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@Outplayz
See, now that sounds more like a paradise to me. But, it's surely not found in the Bible... and i think you're right that he needs to think more on an Omnist type platform to get an idea of what paradise can be or it's potential to be. But, if you dig deep, which i know you've realized, paradise is very subjective to the observer. It's not just one thing... which by what it is, "paradise," that is the only logical conclusion since everyone has their own vision of what paradise would be.
Agree, paradise is a subjective term in many ways although a very creative Being can create a paradise almost any human would find fascinating objectively, so many variables exist and so do the dynamics of spirituality which is what so many people are blind to, and when you add into the equation that our universe alone has unlimited galaxies one could only imagine what actually exists for the soul, which is eternal. Add into the equation of an eternal creative consciousness you get more than you could ever imagine. The fun part, is that when a soul gains the right of passage, they too can create worlds and realities. This is the very creative energy of God, that every soul gets to become a creative dreamer.
I really have no arguments if a god created this reality. I like how you think there are creator gods. To me, it sounds almost like there are artists here that create realities for us to get lost in, like movies. I also look at this world like a movie. It's a C rate movie, there are things i love and things i hate. It's kinda like Donnie Darko. I don't know if you seen that movie, so i'll try not to spoil too much. Most of the movie i'm bored, but the ending... leaves me weeping. It's the most beautiful ending i have seen in a movie so far which puts this C rate movie in my top ten. I look at this life the same. I would create myself / manifest here a million times over for those moments i love... however, i also don't think i would play this reality often which would make sense of why i feel out of place and like an old soul. I don't know... the many realities and infinite mind (gods) hypothesis is very interesting in its implications.
That's exactly what it is, creation is formed through artists. Very cool, I would have never phrased it that way but that is exactly what's going on. This is the fun part of creation which many souls don't know about. When you have a conscious reality that is capable of creating anything It wants through varying states of conscious activity you can have endless experiences. You have endless galaxies in one world (our universe alone), now imagine endless galaxies within multi verses. People, even religious have no idea about these implications, it's fascinating to the creative mind and those who are interested in such.
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@Outplayz
See, now that sounds more like a paradise to me. But, it's surely not found in the Bible... and i think you're right that he needs to think more on an Omnist type platform to get an idea of what paradise can be or it's potential to be. But, if you dig deep, which i know you've realized, paradise is very subjective to the observer. It's not just one thing... which by what it is, "paradise," that is the only logical conclusion since everyone has their own vision of what paradise would be.
Agree, paradise is a subjective term in many ways although a very creative Being can create a paradise almost any human would find fascinating objectively, so many variables exist and so do the dynamics of spirituality which is what so many people are blind to, and when you add into the equation that our universe alone has unlimited galaxies one could only imagine what actually exists for the soul, which is eternal. Add into the equation of an eternal creative consciousness you get more than you could ever imagine. The fun part, is that when a soul gains the right of passage, they too can create worlds and realities. This is the very creative energy of God, that every soul gets to become a creative dreamer.
I really have no arguments if a god created this reality. I like how you think there are creator gods. To me, it sounds almost like there are artists here that create realities for us to get lost in, like movies. I also look at this world like a movie. It's a C rate movie, there are things i love and things i hate. It's kinda like Donnie Darko. I don't know if you seen that movie, so i'll try not to spoil too much. Most of the movie i'm bored, but the ending... leaves me weeping. It's the most beautiful ending i have seen in a movie so far which puts this C rate movie in my top ten. I look at this life the same. I would create myself / manifest here a million times over for those moments i love... however, i also don't think i would play this reality often which would make sense of why i feel out of place and like an old soul. I don't know... the many realities and infinite mind (gods) hypothesis is very interesting in its implications.
That's exactly what it is, creation is formed through artists. Very cool, I would have never phrased it that way but that is exactly what's going on. This is the fun part of creation which many souls don't know about. When you have a conscious reality that is capable of creating anything It wants through varying states of conscious activity you can have endless experiences. You have endless galaxies in one world (our universe alone), now imagine endless galaxies within multi verses. People, even religious have no idea about these implications, it's fascinating to the creative mind and those who are interested in such.
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@Outplayz
See, now that sounds more like a paradise to me. But, it's surely not found in the Bible... and i think you're right that he needs to think more on an Omnist type platform to get an idea of what paradise can be or it's potential to be. But, if you dig deep, which i know you've realized, paradise is very subjective to the observer. It's not just one thing... which by what it is, "paradise," that is the only logical conclusion since everyone has their own vision of what paradise would be.
Agree, paradise is a subjective term in many ways although a very creative Being can create a paradise almost any human would find fascinating objectively, so many variables exist and so do the dynamics of spirituality which is what so many people are blind to, and when you add into the equation that our universe alone has unlimited galaxies one could only imagine what actually exists for the soul, which is eternal. Add into the equation of an eternal creative consciousness you get more than you could ever imagine. The fun part, is that when a soul gains the right of passage, they too can create worlds and realities. This is the very creative energy of God, that every soul gets to become a creative dreamer.
I really have no arguments if a god created this reality. I like how you think there are creator gods. To me, it sounds almost like there are artists here that create realities for us to get lost in, like movies. I also look at this world like a movie. It's a C rate movie, there are things i love and things i hate. It's kinda like Donnie Darko. I don't know if you seen that movie, so i'll try not to spoil too much. Most of the movie i'm bored, but the ending... leaves me weeping. It's the most beautiful ending i have seen in a movie so far which puts this C rate movie in my top ten. I look at this life the same. I would create myself / manifest here a million times over for those moments i love... however, i also don't think i would play this reality often which would make sense of why i feel out of place and like an old soul. I don't know... the many realities and infinite mind (gods) hypothesis is very interesting in its implications.
That's exactly what it is, creation is formed through artists. Very cool, I would have never phrased it that way but that is exactly what's going on. This is the fun part of creation which many souls don't know about. When you have a conscious reality that is capable of creating anything It wants through varying states of conscious activity you can have endless experiences. You have endless galaxies in one world (our universe alone), now imagine endless galaxies within multi verses. People, even religious have no idea about these implications, it's fascinating to the creative mind and those who are interested in such.
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@Stephen
Ever thought about addressing Theists and not just Christians? there is more to the afterlife than just what Christianity posits.....the reason I ask is because fundamental Christianity can't answer that question because of the limited knowledge available in the texts, so we have many other sources and as well we have good ol common sense. If you include all Theists then the answers could be more dynamic because it won't be limited to just the Bibles descriptions. However, from communicating with you in the past you get pissy if anyone answers in a way where its not found in the Bible. I understand that's what you intended, but perhaps expand your horizons a bit for the sake of understanding something.
Having said that I certainly could answer from a Christian point of view in many ways. But, just because something is not mentioned in the Bible does not discount the knowledge or the reality of what is being discussed. First of all the soul is eternal, all this talk about "paradise then what?" or one would go mad is irrelevant, once the soul is created its eternal just like the Creator. Since non-existence is not an option we have to deal with what the circumstances are. This is why the Creator should never be limited to just one source of information available, God is much more dynamic than anyone could imagine. Heaven or paradise is simply a planet, no one claimed one has to stay there forever.
But one thing to consider is that paradise is exactly that, it's a fucking paradise and no one can claim what is to be experienced in a bad azz paradise until they get there. There could be endless things to do and experience, or the soul could get bored and request it be brought back to a temporal experience on earth or one of the many planets that God creates. There could be many dimensions in one afterlife, the spiritual reality is much different than the mundane physical experience...you could walk through a door and be in a whole different world or dimension, there could be many things the Creator could entertain the soul with just by being in a spiritual paradise. The Creator is not limited to a physical experience or what we are used to observing as humans on earth, also the soul will be mesmerized by the presence, knowledge and ability of God just communicating with a higher Entity. These Beings that govern the created worlds are far beyond what you could ever imagine, they know how to get a party started lol.
There are so many dynamics involved I could go on forever, but not all souls just go to paradise when they die not even close. If they don't deserve paradise they simply reincarnate, they will have to endure another lifetime on a planet. If they do make it to paradise or a heaven they have entered a planet and experiences like you've never seen before, the spirit body and the world that correlates with that experience is unimaginable, it's not like the physical world in which we know. The afterlife is so dynamic most souls who experience this through NDE's are mesmerized simply by the observation of what is happening. So when evaluating the afterlife it's important to remember that what we can experience is much more than the material world has to offer.
But again, nowhere is it written in stone that a soul has to abide in some heaven forever, it can simply choose to experience something else. This is all about experiences because the soul has no other options, it does this over and over again, becoming unconscious to limit the effects of being eternal. God and the soul has no other choice but to exist, God makes sure that this reality is something to be interested in. At the same time, being trapped in the lower worlds is not much to be desired when there is so much more to be had. That is why there is a progression and a long journey the soul has to encounter. When that process is done the whole thing starts over, God creates again and again endlessly while the soul remains unconscious to an eternal reality.
Now, speaking from a non Christian point of view, there are many levels to creation, there are many universes and planets and embodiments for the soul to inhabit . We know for a fact that our universe alone produces virtually endless galaxies with endless planets. This happens on multiple levels not just the physical level. So the soul has room to play for a long, long time before any boredom or insanity arises.
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@keithprosser
Perhaps you should explain how prelest relates to hesychasm and theoria.
Mopac likes to make assumptions about my spiritual character which is what you find with most corrupted souls under the control of religious authority. Number one, had he asked I have several mentors and legit Elders I entrust and they aren't anything like what you would find in Catholicism I can tell you that much, these aren't shallow pretentious men these are the real deal IMO. Mopac also might not understand this is a debate site, meaning I am here to explain and defend positions so I guess anyone who comes confidently apparently cannot also possess humility (sure). The truth is that I've put my heart and soul into all of this, I've always loved the Creator no one can take that away from me...Either way he is obviously threatened by what I write and my viewpoints. He claims to be some martyr yet he keeps condemning me and what he labels protestant, but confident people don't need to condemn others to make their arguments....hence his pride.
He's probably more offended or jealous that I don't but into religious control and authority and he now spends his life kissing his Catholic Masters butts and if he ventures outside his cult he will get cut off and condemned to a very hot place. With that guilt and suppression no wonder he always shoots me in the back when I'm discussing with other members.
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@keithprosser
I don't think people who describe their nde's and obe's are liars,
That would be a good start. Anyone who would assume innocent people lying about death experiences would be pretty sick.
but there is no solid reason to treat ndes/obes as anything except dreams.
You would be making the assumption people don't know the difference between dreams and what they observe as reality, or what we will observe leaving the body. Had you done research, the experiences leaving the body are more real than the physical sense experience/perception, no one as I've examined says its like being in a dream state. Big difference between being half conscious and fully aware.
I can attest that my own spiritual experiences are not like dreaming, they are much more alive and conscious than the physical experience.
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@keithprosser
I don't agree. Our instruments have not shown us 'an entire world' exists different from the world revealed by our senses. There is only one world, about which we learn something about through our senses, and yet more about through our instruments.
Lol you guys and your instruments and oh how you trust them. Technology is a progression, that means at no point does any instrument measure all that exists, neither in the past nor in the future and to make that claim would be ridiculous so it's much better to remain open and look at all the facts.
We do know that the human perception of say...color is extremely limited by what we observe through the physical eyeball BUT lo and behold, guess what happens when the soul leaves the physical body? look at how many people that have left the body always say what?? they say they saw colors they never knew existed almost every time. Well despite your admittance you think you know it all and are not open to new information the reason why people see those colors when leaving the body is because they are no longer limited by the material form, their perception and senses are no longer bound to the human body, the soul is no longer observing through physical eyes and so they are able to see much more of the full spectrum of color.
The subtle body or spirit bodies the soul observes through away from the material body exists at a much higher vibration, a much finer frequency than the weighty physical body. This is also why NDE's show that the person experiences a much lighter experience, and they feel as if they can hover or even float or fly. This is true and what we all will encounter because the spirit form is by far less dense that the material human bodies, the interesting thing is that this can happen at many different frequencies and vibrations each much finer than the one that preceded it and the immaterial conscious soul can observe through each layer. Once you get to the actual core of the soul or the state of the Creator there is no more form, no more embodiment just awareness alone, and that is a singular Reality. Creating forms, which are distinguished by their vibrational rates, are what gives the soul something to experience.
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@Alec
What religion are you? Your profile says other.
At this point in my life I examine all forms of spirituality, some more than others, putting the puzzle pieces together so to speak. They call a person that recognizes or respects all religions an Omnist. The Gospels of Jesus were the first thing I connected with spiritually as a young kid, and so I observed and applied the teachings of Jesus for quite awhile and still do. My own interest in the paranormal or the reality of the afterlife is what influenced me to look much deeper and be open to other sources to learn more things. I realized the Creator is much more dynamic than any one religious group could ever package.
While I don't view Jesus as the average religious authority anyways nor his teachings resembling anything organized religion offers, I don't buy into religious control and special religious clubs as well I don't particularly like dividing myself from other believers even if they're different. So I observe spirituality as a whole and learn from it that way because I know creation is much more vast than people realize, the afterlife even more so. Basically I choose not to label myself, rather I just share what I've learned and what I believe to be true which includes information and knowledge from several sources.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
No need to be a hot head, that's good enough reason to end this now.
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@Alec
1st amendment allows for religious freedom.
Yes, thankfully. Karma and reincarnation only provide circumstances, they don't force the soul to do anything other than learn from experience which was dictated by the souls actions anyways. The soul is still free to react and act how it wants even under those two conditions. Once the soul progresses, it progresses from its circumstances.... in this life or the next.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
We can be pretty sure that the universe's past is not infinite. Einstein's cosmological constant has been very thoroughly discredited for decades now.As for the cosmos being infinite, which is what I assume you meant (and probably what Outplayz meant too I realize, now that I think about it...) That is a topic that I have spent significantly less time thinking about but overall as far as I know it is possible for time to have existed before the Big Bang and thus possible for the cosmos to be infinitely old. Whether this is actually the case or what the implications are for the nature of the cosmos... Fuck if I know.
Saying "infinite past" is misleading, it causes the person to think time (as we experience it in this universe) in past tense just keeps going and going or becomes an infinite regression. Infinite or eternal consciousness is probably more appropriate because time is not needed, or an eternal consciousness exists independent of time or before time as we observe it now. Creation is cyclical not linear and time is basically an illusion from the passing of material form at the start of the big bang, "periods" of time would be closer to actuality but this is only applicable in creation not within the reality of God.
Time (or the passing of the physical world) does have starting points in creation but the conscious state of the Creator is a fixed state of omnipresent awareness out of which all creation, movement and time manifest. Consciousness is the backdrop of creation (time) and so really there is no infinite time or past as we know it from the beginning of the big bang, however the Creator has been creating within many periods of time over and over, or cyclically. We naturally associate our conscious experience with time because our experience is being observed from the physical form which is passing with time. But as the soul will find out, the conscious experience stays put it is static, it never stops observing whereas the physical body decomposes, it comes and goes. There is no passing or death in terms of conscious awareness, rather God is creating experiences through the illusion of time so we can have a concept and journey of having a life and this is possible because of the duality of creation and the beginning and ending of material form.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Yes I do understand the difference between those two things, just as I understand that those who do consider themselves spiritual often have different ideas about the nature of spirituality in the same way that people might have different ideas about the physical universe.
Whoa wait a minute, they might have different ideas about what constitutes spirituality or what the purpose is, but there should be no dispute about the nature of it. Meaning that which transcends the physical sense perception... "immaterial". They may even have different names for it like spirit, life force, consciousness, soul ect ect but they all point to the very same observation as opposed to the material experience/observation.
That is the reason I wanted to hear your idea about the nature of spirituality from your own mouth, I want to make as few assume about what you actually believe as I possibly can.
The nature of it is simple, it's that which goes beyond the physical sense perception....such as when a soul is forced to observe it like with NDE's. There can be many, many different types of experience once the soul leaves the physical body or practices how to observe that experience before death.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
No
Before we jump into the below I cannot make sense of anything else unless you understand this one part. You do (or don't) ....understand the difference between the nature of the physical sense perception (the material universe) vs the nature of spirituality (spirit), which is what religion and Theism are putting forward? I'm not asking if you believe it, I'm asking you do you know what that means at all?
but I think it is important that I do which is why my next question after you responded to my inquiry about your personal experiences was going to be to ask you to give an explanation about what precisely you believe regarding spirituality.
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