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@Earth
@Lunatic
@Vader
@whiteflame
@Moozer325
Can we all agree to get a full claim from Barney? Literally we have no other information to work on and Barney has dodged this for more than a day. He’s also one of the least active and is basically in the POE scum pile atm.
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@Barney
One of the dumbest things I've ever seen written in a mafia game. 
You are L-1. If you’re town, you should play to your wincon and avoid getting lynched. Follow golden rule at the very least

Did you full claim in your first post? Nope, therefore "anti-town."
I’ve asked you like 5 separate times at this point and you refuse to do it.

Also, you are not the entire town. If in doubt, try VTLing me again as you keep threatening to do, your vote won't suddenly be worth more. And again, only scum would hammer me, which would out themselves.

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If you’re not going to claim and the DP is at the end, someone is going to hammer. You can’t know if they’re scum or town.

And to be clear, I gave my partial claim at Lunatic's request, not yours. Your fake pressure means very little.
“Fake pressure.”

You have 3 votes on you right now. Most everyone has you in their POE pile. At the worst 2/3 are scum, but other people have signaled they’re interested in a claim from you as well. Not to mention you’ve done zero scum hunting
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@Barney
You've given not even a soft claim, and now you're pretending you have an extra vote.
A.) I have
B.) Even if I didn’t my role is confirmable tomorrow

Undue pressure may work on brand new players, but I am not one.

If anyone wishes to hammer a fellow townie while there's nearly 2 days remaining in the day phase, by all means, out yourself as scum. That does town more good than what I can.
Well if you’re town and you’re not going to full claim, you’re by definition anti-town. You can claim now and move onto scum hunting which you have done little of coincidentally enough or you can continue doing this and wait for the threat of a hammer closer to the end of the DP.
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@Barney
I've given you my character claim, as requested, and you have not removed your vote. So I'm now pretty sure you're scum seeking mislynches.
I’ve asked you to full claim multiple times now. You have 3/4 people who are in agreement. Full claim or be lynched
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@Barney
Full claim please
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@Earth
@Lunatic
@whiteflame
@Moozer325
I’m fine lynching Barney. Pin screams roleblocker because the piece being pinned cannot move
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@AustinL0926
Time check?
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@Lunatic
If moozer gives us nothing this day phase im fine with lynching him. This is ridiculous 
 JoeBob can probably replace him 
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@Moozer325
Any thoughts? Who is scum to you? Who do you think is town? 
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@Vader
My role is also confirmable tomorrow as well I will add
That’s good, it’ll help with POE 
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@whiteflame
I had a choice as to whether to use it and I chose my target, yes.
Cool that helps

Of  course you may.

First, as I signaled at the end of the last DP, he was my trickiest read. I wanted to either have a target to sus this DP or be able to eliminate him as a plausible target of suspicion.

Second, after I received the PM, I agonized over who would be most likely to give me this and believed that most anyone else would have been more likely, since I figured Earth didn't solidly townread me following on DP1. I believed he was about as likely as you were to send this to me, so I flipped a coin. This is how the coin landed.
Fair enough.

It's a means by which players can have AI direct their tactics, hence I put it in the tactics bucket. I don't really care to argue how we should perceive it because, either way, it's distinctly different from the other claims made so far and from mine as well. They are all markedly different.
That’s true as well.

He's at L-1. Ball's in his court.
Agreed
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@Lunatic
I died when I saw this one

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@Barney
Order up! Pastrami sandwich with a side of three votes

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@Earth
@Lunatic
@whiteflame
Can we now plz pursue a full claim from Barney
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@whiteflame
I’m going to need something more than that, some bucket that this falls into or is associated with. I can push for full claims after everyone has given a softclaim. This is too vague.
It doesn’t fall in the tactic or strategy bucket. It falls in the platform bucket. Basically on what the players play
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@whiteflame
Alright:

I received a PM from Austin saying that I had an opportunity to use a chess engine at the cost of my night action. If I used it, it would allow me to find out the alignment of my target during that NP.

I accepted. I targeted Earth. I was told he was innocent.

After the fact, I was told that this ability could not have been redirected or roleblocked.
Okay so the investigation wasn’t reflexive. Am I understanding that correctly? You of your own volition chose Earth to investigate. May I ask why?
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@Earth
I don't like how Pie is rug pulling town on his character claim and there is no way Pie would know or come close to knowing what the theme is. Town should get a hardclaim from Pie.
My role is confirmable
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@whiteflame
I've already stated that I'm also a strategy, so I'd put myself in the "tactic" bucket as well. I think Luna has been pushing a soft claim since the start of the DP, but I'd nonetheless like to get some clarity as to which camp he falls into. So far, we've seen tactics (using Stockfish), individual moves (Castling), and pieces (Pawn). Algebraic Notation is more just a descriptor that covers all these things to some degree.
I wouldn’t consider those tactics in a chess context. Pawns are not tactics.

So if you fall into one of these camps, state which one, and if not, state what camp you do fall into. Since I haven't seen evidence of a softclaim from either of you, I'm tagging you two first, and I'm taking my vote off for now.
My character is more unique than what’s been claimed so far. I would urge you to force Barney and Vader to full claims
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@whiteflame
I was told I would receive the alignment of the player I chose. I used it. I was told I could accept or decline, and I chose to accept, targeting Earth.
I’m still not understanding. Can you do a step by step of what exactly happened
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@Barney
If that's your idea of a joke, you need to try harder. There are four people who have less outed information, yourself included. By any standard, you're being a dullard.
So? I’ve been active this entire game. You have not. I said my role is confirmable. And frankly most of the other people who haven’t claimed I townread. With the exception being Vader, who I plan on pursuing after you full claim anyways. 
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@Vader
the problem with me is that it's too 180 imo. Don't get me wrong if you played different but kept some of the same parts of last game I would think you are town asf, but this is a complete 180 imo, almost as if it's a calculated maneuver to flip people into thinking you are town
Wait, you said that I changed everything while keeping somethings the same but now you say everything is different? Either way. My role is confirmable tomorrow
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Alright I’m back 
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Graduating tired so will be busy
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@Barney
For the sake of progressing things... I'm a tactic.
At this point you need to full claim
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@whiteflame
Pie: Probably the closest to a town lean based on his behavior last DP, though in my reassessing things this DP, he ends up more null to me, particularly after those reads. Just like Luna, he's not very specific about what makes Luna look townie to him beyond being more incisive with Supa. I get that that makes it less likely that they're a scum team together, but he seems to be hedging a bit on this read with the "but you never know" at the end. I guess he's ending up with Barney in scum through PoE and frustration that he hasn't answered questions yet, which makes more sense to me given what I know of Barney's behavior as scum. The fact that he's claimed to have a confirmable role means he'll either be cleared or at the top of my scum list next DP, so he's not the focus of my attention right now.
Scum are probably going to kill me anyways cause I stated I have a confirmable role
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@Vader
Pie - I think Pie would likely be my top scum read. His spearheading of a JoeBob lynch is quite literally the exact opposite of how he played last game with some minor similiarities.
So wouldn’t this make me town?

As I stated in Option 3 of my theories, I don't put it past Pie to go and push a Savant NK to give himself town cred using the WIFOM strategy. Seems like that behavior analyzing and all that is something he tends to do. 
But I didn’t use the WIFOM strategy?
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@Moozer325
I can only use my ability, protecting one person and making one other person's ability untamperable for one night.
Interesting.

Okay, who do you think is mafia and who do you think is town?
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@Moozer325
I did nothing, seeing as I only have one shot, so I better use it well
Can you elaborate?
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@whiteflame
Who would you like to pressure? Vader or Barney? Also reads?
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@whiteflame
Also, I was told this after the fact: the action I took was not considered an "active action." I asked for clarification, and what that means is it doesn't behave like a normal night action. It wouldn't have been affected by a roleblocker or redirector (yes, he did say that specifically). So, while a Godfather might fool it, I think we can confidently say that the result is the one I got on Earth, not the result of some change of target.
Very interesting. 
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@Earth
I'm going to decline, at least for a little while.
Fair enough
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@Lunatic
Barney hasn't contributed enough for me to form a read on yet. 

Moozer is suspicious by POE.

My top scum read is supa at the moment. I will go further into detail on this soon, but I wanna hear his "theories" first. 
No reason for Moozer to put right away imo. I’m fine getting a claim from Barney and/or Supa
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That*
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@Barney
And I'd like a pastrami sandwich. We don't always get what we want.
I can get what with a side of 3 votes :)
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@Earth
Didn't you just ask me not to claim further?
That’s correct. I’m not asking for your role. I’m asking you to answer the questions. They’re not indicative of any role.
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Town:
Pie

Lean Town:
Earth - Basically copped innocent but not 100% confirmed. Odds are high he is town though with double confirmation

Lunatic - I like the questioning of Supa. Nothing jumps out to me right now. The analysis also has been good, but you never know.

Tilt Town:
Whiteflame - I can never read this guy but nothing sticks out to me as of now. From my understanding, Earth targeted WF with a 1x Cop and WF gave up his action to use that. He used that on Earth. It’s possible as scum he just didn’t use it since he already knows the affiliation, which is why I don’t think much of it. He’s doing everything right so far though and the fact that he confirmed Earth instead of anyone else is also a plus. Could an Earth/WF team be possible? Maybe. But I don’t think so at this juncture.

Null:
Moozer - I want them replaced. Hasn’t said enough.

Lean Scum:
Vader - I don’t like his reasoning for voting JoeBob. Reading it in the NP, it sounds exactly like the things WF and I already provided. There’s not much original thought there. The switch the Lunatic pointed out also rubbed me the wrong way.

Barney - Inactive. Never got to answering any of my questions. Need full claim from him.
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@Earth
@Lunatic
@Vader
@whiteflame
I would also like reads from you all. My reads are coming next post
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@Vader
Yeah the NK doesn't make sense because even if scum knew he was the role, they could've just used him as a mislynch target because of the Miller aspect and his role. I have a few theories though
Let’s hear them
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@Lunatic
poor savant hasnt made it past dp1 once...
Well he did his job this game so kudos to him. Next mod needs to make him a Commuter tho 
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@Earth
Whatever your role is:

A) Did you actually target WF (I ask because Moozer basically claimed a Strengthener)

B) Did you target him because you scumread him or townread him?
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@whiteflame
Yeah, it's kind of baffling. Savant would have consistently been a target of some suspicion and, given that he said he couldn't confirm the second aspect of his role, I wouldn't have seen him as much of a risk to leave alive.
They probably thought that because he was a Miller, the second part must be very powerful. Worked out to our advantage though. No Miller for MYLO/LYLO
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@Moozer325
What did you do last night and why?
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Castling
Algebraic Notation
Pawn
Stockfish

I don’t see a connection at all between everything that has been claimed
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VTL Barney for claim
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@Vader
Wtf is Stockfish
It’s a chess engine. Think of it like AI but for chess
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@Lunatic

Lmaoooo


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@Earth
Do not claim anymore
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My role is confirmable
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I would like Barney to put first
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@Earth
Role?
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