ILikePie5

Janitor, role blocker joat, plus a doctor and main character as a fake claim?

Is mod being charitable or something?

So then who do you want to vote out?

Scum redirected town player to scum?

Trust me, just vote Pie, if pie innocent, then whiteflame. It’s about as certain victory as it gets for town, and I am obviously not scum given my role which is one of the most common roles in this game.

all I know is im not voting BK. his role could and probably will be confirmed tonight if we mislynch.

I'm headed out from work and I've got quite a bit to do over the next couple of hours, so I'll reread DP2 when I get a chance. I should be able to check in sometime this evening.

Barney tracked me and got the result on me.

So we lynch Pie, and if he turns innocent, you and I will have to battle over who gets lynched, but if I stop a night kill, I will very much confirm myself completely so you are out.

Lets not delay this nonsense any further.

VTL Pie

Also, just to be clear about this: for all Pie is sussing me over my Vanilla claim, it's notable that he has done nothing to confirm his role at all. The best you can give him is that it's a fitting role. So is mine considering I'm the only claimed human with no powers.

What Pie is doing here is kind of ridiculous. I gave my reasoning shortly after Vader claimed in the last DP: that one of the Damien Darkbloods was scum (at that point, I remained unsure), and that whoever it was was likely on a team with Pie. Early in the DP, before Vader went basically radio silent, I wasn't sure which of them to trust, but PoE suggested that whoever it was was partnered with Pie, especially when we considered which Kates died. I mapped out the likeliest series of events that could explain all 4 of the Kates being lost.

Recall what happened then: Pie claimed that, specifically, the Bus Driver and Redirector could explain this set of information. In other words, he somehow specifically predicted not one, but two of the JOAT roles Vader had, and this after calling BK out during the last DP for guessing at the existence of a mafia Janitor (who, by the by, could still be another JOAT and have multiple roles).

It's legitimately insane that he's calling me out for showing "inside knowledge" when that's literally what he did in the last DP. I'll also note that my explanation (that Vader targeted me and only me with the RB) also fits the series of events so long as BK is telling the truth about his role, though I'll come back to that with him.

As for this notion that my demeanor changed... I don't get this at all. I argued with Pie, like I argued with Vader last game. Even after all this, I'm still concerned that this is a town vs. town argument and that I'm tunneling, which, again, is what I did last game. It's the reason why I'd prefer to be looking back through the previous DPs than continuing this back-and-forth. So I'll let others decide how they see this series of events and I'll avoid engaging too much in this again. 

Neither of your roles are confirmed, but we know one thing for sure. Whiteflame was visited by scum. Why would scum visit scum? His role is unconfirmed, sure, but if you think that whiteflame is scum, you have no reason to oppose to town lynching you, then him.

I am not scum, because scum will likely kill me next np as I have about 50% chance of stopping theiir nightkill, as my doctor power wasnt used up.

The only possible scum is Whiteflame or ILikePie5.

Its 4 - 1, so we shouldnt really drag this any further. Just vote pie, then if pie turns innocent, vote whiteflame.

I am not scum, because scum will likely kill me next np as I have about 50% chance of stopping theiir nightkill, as my doctor power wasnt used up.

I protected Joe, it seemed like the best choice since I thought scum will take out him. I didnt protect Barney because I think most confirmed town player is a more likely scum target for night kill.

Why not? Rule of law says the right-tribe gets to do the exact same things the left-tribe does without fear or favor.

You support rule of law...do you not?

Right now, we have JoeBob who is confirmed town and GP who is role confirmed and most definitely town. 

That leaves PoE at me, BK and Pie. I’d like to know what both of you did during the NP. At this point, your role should be fully clarified, Pie.

Interesting that you pushed so hard on those specific roles (the Redirector and the Bus Driver, specifically). After sussing BK over his suggestion that the Janitor was in the game just before it was confirmed that there is, indeed, a Janitor.

That being said, I’ve learned my lesson from last game so I’m not going to tunnel based on what I was thinking during the last DP. Going to go back and read through the previous two to see what stands out.

Right. Now all you need is evidence of a crime. Let me know when you have it.

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Because rule of law right?

maybe if you cross a border

but in most cases it's perfectly clear

as long as you know WHERE the crime was committed

If Vader flips scum and you're not scum, the only alternative I could see it being is WF being scum. I don't see that as being likely though.

Explain what's irrational about it?

I am saying there is 1 role blocker and 1 janitor.

Not role blockers alone, and not janitor alone with some useless visiting role. So if Barney is scum, he would have to be role blocker, so when he visited me, he would also role block me. But I wasnt role blocked, which means Barney isnt role blocker and therefore, cannot possibly be scum. Well, we will see how this theory works out, but I simply dont see "Janitor + useless visiting role" on scums team in this setup. I think it’s janitor + role blocker, since role blocker would be better at causing confusion in town with denying confirmation of roles.

I find the hyper focus on you wasteful.

You’re likely scum, but with a less than 50/50 chance.

If you’re town and had the hyper focus not occurred, you’d be a potential NK target.

Vader and I each have a 50/50 chance. Lynch one of us, and if that fails lynch the other.

Of course, Lynching me has the cost of killing GP, as Austin figured out. So it ought to be Vader first, if that fails no one visit me (so as to spare GP if he’s role blocked, and keep the game going).

If Supa is scum, lynch Pie then BK in that order.

There really arent. Standard role blockers alone would be useless against this town set up.

I was thinking which role could scum possibly have to make up for the fact that town has to mislynch 3 times in a row to lose, and then I remembered that the only such role is janitor which I was seen used before in other game.

So janitor + ???

The only role which counters so many confirmable roles besides janitor is role blocker.

Barney obviously isnt role blocker.

Town Supa who self-voted...

Its obvious given the game balance.

Lynch alone favors town greatly. 7 - 2 means that town has over 60% chance of winning even if it just lynched randomly without thinking.

Add to that cop, doctor, austins role...

Thats how I knew scum has janitor. Its obvious, its the only role which makes the game balanced, but they need to have 1 more powerful role, which is why there is no way Barney's role does nothing but visit if Barney is scum.

He's been consistently engaging, posting good reads, not being overly eager for a lynch. In a normal game, he would be at the outer edge of POE, but we have enough scumreads that he's less likely.

So tell me, why would Barney do kamikaze on Vader?

If Vader gets lynched and is town, then Barney gets lynched.

Worst possible case scenario for town:

6 - 2

3 - 2

2 - 1

And thats assuming Gp dies on his own.